WVM2005-03N+A
Jan24th Agenda, Ccl NOTES & Mtgs/Events to 30th
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
Herewith: Jan 24th Agenda Main Items (Odours/Housing); Events/Mgs
to 30th; Rumblings; Jan 17th Ccl Mtg Notes (Public comment possible if
Public Mtg closed??? See ****; more Eagleridge in mtg and at PQP); Jan
24th Ccl Agenda with comments; Quotations; Haiku
*** ENVIRONMENTAL ALERT ***
We are all saddened by the tragedy in our neighbouring
municipality. It is a wake-up call. Watch that trickle
near you. WV crews are monitoring our creeks. Nature
cannot be trumped, only accommodated. This is another powerful
reminder that trees are essential for absorption, to slow runoff,
provide stabilization, prevent erosion; a message some forget, ignore,
or underestimate. It also indicates the importance of setbacks
for rivers and streams. How timely that Riparian Area
Regulations are on the agenda for Ccl Monday night.
* For those of you who follow these things, you will recall
for fifteen years I have recommended that planting on a person's lot
shd be entirely the owner's choice as long as, say, 75% of the
absorption is maintained (whatever vegetation desired). Thus
it is a scientific determination, not someone's plant
preference.
* For the new OCP I urged protection of ephemeral
streams and requiring permeable surfaces as much as possible.
Obviously our creeks and rivers ought to be inspected for
obstructions, and stability of banks maintained, enhanced if
possible. I had also suggested even wider streamside setbacks
and to make them into linear parks so that it benefits not only the
river but becomes a public amenity. WV cd become famous for its
creekside or riverine parks (adding to our park-like cmnty's
reputation, not just ecologically responsible).
* In December, the WV Streamkeepers asked Council to map
(and for a map) and protect ephemeral streams wch are so critical
for habitat and to prevent erosion (slides) and flooding. As of
Jan 20th, an acknowledgement but no answers yet. (Will report
when they do; especially any measures for protection
established.)
* Ephemeral streams spread the drainage thus lessening the
strength and width of a creek or river otherwise becoming raging,
overflowing, and removing anything in its path creating more damage
from the hurtling debris. Diversions have repercussions.
MAYBE NOW MORE ATTENTION will be paid to COMPLIANCE &
ENFORCEMENT as WVS has been calling for.
The crucial question is, when developments on our mountainside
divert (or don't even map so they don't have to comply with setbacks
thus having more lots, increased density) and make alternate 'ponds'
and 'collectors', are the arrangements just adequate for normal years
or are they sufficient to handle the surges and the above-normal
rainfall that occur from time to time?
IT'S TIME TO RE-EXAMINE AND EVALUATE OUR WATERCOURSE AND STORM
DRAINAGE REGULATIONS AND REQUIREMENTS and provide assurances to the
residents.
When storm water drains were built in the beginning in Ambleside,
they weren't intended for increased density let alone to handle large
developments above the Upper Levels. Some upgrading was done but
no surprise basements were flooded. Time for an assessment and
an action plan.
+++++ MAIN ITEMS for Jan
24th +++++ {may be
supplementals issued} +++
= 605 Clyde: Public Hearing/Public Mtg; Zoning
Amendment Bylaw and Devt Permit
= Amendment to Biz Licence Bylaw
(Odours/Noise)
= Fees and Charges Bylaw (to be circulated in the
Supplemental Agenda)
{Why? why not ready? if not ready, why not put on next agenda?
what criteria for shortened time for public review?}
= Proposed Pesticide Use Control Bylaw {Why first
and second reading??}
= Devt Permit Application (4674 Clovelly Walk) with
approval recommended
= Arts and Culture Strategy
= Housing Dialogue/Neighbourhood Planning
Initiatives: Proposed Program and Timeline
{Why not put out for public
comment???}
= BYLAWS: 605 Clyde Zoning; Bylaw Notice Enforcement
Amendment
= Correspondence: HAC minutes; BC Hydro Integrated
Electricity Plan; proposed Starbucks 2416 Marine; Ferry Bldg
Expansion; MFA Financial Forum AGM; Env'tal Conference; Good Nbr
Bylaw; Millennium Devts; pairing with tsunami-impacted village.
+++++ MTGS/EVENTS to Jan
30th +++++
=== Tues, Jan 18th
======================
~ 3:30 - 5pm ~ YAC at Hall
~ 6 - 8pm ~ Opening Reception of "Art's a Small World"
at FERRY BUILDING GALLERY
[more info below]
=== Wed, Jan 19th
======================
~ 9 - 10:30am ~ Sports & Rec
Facility Planning at Hall (a very late addition to the DWV
Calendar)
~ 5 - 7pm ~ Business After
Business at the WV Chamber of Commerce boardroom; no charge but
register by phoning 926 6614; featured sponsors: Handi Restaurant,
Geek Service Inc., Millennium Group, Penny Mitchell RE/MAX Masters
Realty, and TD Canada Trust Marine Drive.
~ 7 - 9pm ~ Library Bd (Peters Room in
Library): *** MOVED TO JAN 26th ***
~ 7 - 9:30pm ~ Gordon Ave Traffic Study Open House
at Seniors' Centre
AREA: bounded by 22nd St, Marine Dr, 21st St, and
Jefferson/Inglewood Ave
PURPOSE: to seek cmnty input on traffic and pedestrian issues
in the area. The existing conditions background report prepared
by the consultants will be presented at the mtg in an Open House
format. Following the mtg, the consultants will develop options
to deal with the issues that have been identified.
Email the hall at gordonstudy@westvancouver.ca or phone 925
7055.
~ 7 - 9pm ~ Bd of Variance (Council Chamber)
Front Yard Setback 2345 Palmerston; Front and Rear Yard
Setbacks for new dwelling 1365 - 28th; Front Yard Setback
2247 Gisby; Side Yards 4278 Morgan Crescent; Setbacks for
addition/alteration 1512 Rena Crescent
~ 10pm? ~ Say Nothing (See Arts) - Post-Show Talkback January
19
== Thurs, Jan 20th
=====================
~ 5:30 - 7:30pm ~ 2010 Olympic Select Cmte, WV Chamber of
Commerce Boardroom
~ 6 - 8pm ~ NS Family Court & Youth Justice Cmte
(CNV M Hall, Conf Rm A)
~ 7:30pm ~ WV Streamkeepers - Public Mtg at St Stephen's
(885 - 22nd)
Riparian Area Regulations and DWV; WVS Report on 2004; Status
of WV Creeks (which watershed do you live in? Who's watching your
stream? do you want to?); Questions welcomed!
==A== The Arts: Theatre
===
^^^ Under the Kilt -
Jan 21 - 23, Playwrights' Theatre Centre, Granville
Island
^^^ Say Nothing - 8pm,
Jan 18 to 22 at Performance Works, Granville Island
See events Jan 19 and 22. Full description in previous
WVM.
==B== The Arts: Exhibits
===
--- WV Chamber but Downtown (Reception 20th, Exhibit to
Feb 5th):
The China National South Artists
Association (CNSSA), the Chamber's newest member, is one of
the largest non-government artists associations in China. They are now
exhibiting in Vancouver from January 17 through February 5,
2005.
The CNSSA has come to Vancouver for the
first time and is now
exhibiting at the Pendulum Gallery located in
the HSBC Building at 885 West Georgia Street in Vancouver. More
than 80 original oil paintings from five most significant Chinese
artists are on display.
Chamber members are invited to join the
exhibition and reception night on Thursday Jan. 20 from 6 to
8pm. For more information visit
www.bycanfineartns.com or
email
bycan@bycandfinearts.com
--- The Ferry Building Gallery (Reception 18th, Talk
22nd, Exhibit to Feb 6th)
"Art's A Small World" -- small works &
miniatures in mixed media by
Jane Adams, Patricia Baldwin, Sa Boothroyd, Toni Cavelti, Anne
Dunnett, Graham Eagle, Leslie McGuffin, Brian Romer, &
Diego Samper -- January 18 - February 6
Opening Reception: Tuesday, Jan 18
from 6 - 8 pm // Artists' Talk:
Saturday, Jan 22 at 2pm
Admission to all shows is free
=== Fri, Jan 21st
======================
UNDER THE KILT
Playwrights' Theatre Centre /
PuSh co-presentation (Edinburgh/Glasgow/Vancouver)
January 21 - 23, 2005 -- PTC
Studio in Festival House, Granville Island
Friday, January
21
Playwrights' Forum: 10am-1pm and Producers' Forum: 10am-1pm
Playwrights' & Producers' Joint Forum:
2pm-5pm
=== Sat, Jan 22nd
======================
~ 2pm ~ Lighthouse Park Preservation Society free public talk at
Srs' Centre, AV Room
Tamsin Baker, Regional Mgr for Land Conservancy of BC:
"Preserving Neighbourhood Green Spaces"
~ 4pm ~ Say Nothing (See Arts) - Artists'
Roundtable
~ 4pm ~ Under the Kilt: San Diego by David Greig: 4pm
=== Sun, Jan 23rd
======================
More Under the Kilt:
Shimmer by Linda McLean:
1pm
The
People Next Door by Henry Adam: 4pm
=== Mon, Jan 24th
======================
~ 8:30 - 10am ~ Arts & Culture Strategy Select Cmte at
Hall
and
of course 7pm Ccl Mtg (see Abbreviated Agenda, in section
below)
=== Wed, Jan 26th
======================
~ 5 - 7pm ~ Planning AC in Ccl Chamber
~ 5:30 - 7pm ~ Finance AC at Hall
~ 6 - 8pm ~ Public Mtg on 15th St Road Reconstruction
Project at Pauline Johnson School, 1150 - 22nd (Susan Gratien)
TBC
~ 7 - 9pm ~ Library Bd (Peters Room in
Library): *** MOVED from JAN 19th ***
~ 7pm ~ WV Historical Society general mtg at Srs'
Centre
Guest Speaker: Dr. Tom Calder. One of his major
contributions to the community has been the creation of the West
Vancouver Adult Pops Band.
=== Thurs, Jan 27th
======================
~ 4 - 6pm ~ Police Bd in the Ch of Commerce Boardroom
~ 4:30 - 6:30pm ~ Design AC in Ccl Chamber
~ 5 - 7pm ~ NSACDI, CNV M Hall.
=== Sat, Jan 29th
======================
~ 3 - 5pm ~ NSh Wetlands Partners mtg at
WV Youth Centre
~ 8pm ~ Bernard Cuffling performing an
evening of Noel Coward at Presentation House.
Phone 990 2474 to reserve; tix $20 going
to Tsunami Relief Fund.
=== Sun, Jan 30th
======================
~ 11:30 - 2pm ~ Aquatic Centre's First Birthday!
---------------- NOTE: No Ccl Mtg
Jan 31st ----------------
+++ MORE RUMBLINGS ..........
+++
Kudos to our WV crews and staff keeping eyes peeled on bursting
creeks as "Tropical Punch" brings warm but very wet days.
Steve Jenkins, the WV Environmental Coordinator, gave an informative
presentation at the Jan 20th mtg of the WV Streamkeepers along with a
talk on the Riparian Area Regulations -- RAR is on Ccl's agenda Jan
24th.
=
The folks working ever so hard to protect the Eagleridge
Bluffs and the wetlands (learned there is even a peat bog there)
urge us to write to Premier Campbell and Minister Kevin Falcon to
point out the importance of that sensitive area, the Olympics'
commitment to environmental sustainability, and actual facts of the
situation exposing some
misstatements/misrepresentations/misunderstandings/etc. See
www.eagleridgebluffs.ca for a form letter.
=
Ccl's procedures and consulting the public for proposals have
been considerably improved. Attended the public info mtg on
Gordon Street. (See Jan 19 in Mtg/Events above.) Ideas and
recommendations sought. Two questions arose: why did this study
apparently not include 20th and 22nd since they must have an effect,
and why have speed limit signs been removed around
Gordon/21st/22nd?
Let's hope they include the added traffic from a possible
three-storey Central Cmnty Centre including a Health Centre, as well
as maybe a hi-rise on the Wetmore site. What do you think of
closing off 22nd to integrate Wetmore with the Civic Centre
Site?
=
A reader reports that in response to a letter to Ccl re
'downhill truck traffic' (in Jan 10th ccl mtg pkg discussed in
NOTES below), the response from the Director of Engineering and
Transportation confirmed that no such waivers have been granted. It
may be of interest to residents that he invites calls to Brent
Dozzi at 604-925-7157 to report any infractions that we see in
future.
=
Heritage Week Feb 21 - 27 plans proceeding apace.
Municipal Heritage Awards will be on the Saturday. The Ferry
Building Gallery will have photographs some with Sacred Spaces theme.
Pleased to announce that Cypress Mountain is again offering a free
snowshoe and BBQ! Same day as the Heritage Fayre at Park Royal
South on the Sunday. Talks, walks, displays not yet finalized.
Call 922 4400 for info or to take part!
+++ Ccl Mtg NOTES Jan
17th +++ [draft
transcript typed during mtg] +++++
Cclr Day still absent
~7pm
State of the District Address by Mayor
Wood
Well, it was very good and I wanted to put it here however it
turns out that it is not possible to copy and paste from the DWV
website and apparently they can't send it to me in email. In the
interests of not delaying this further, will send out this enewsletter
and hope to put it in a future issue. It is thorough update and
can be found on the DWV website.
Agenda; ADOPTION OF MINUTES -- No items presented.
7:30
4. DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION NO. 04-018
(4674 CLOVELLY WALK) PUBLIC MEETING
Further Information - Development Permit No. 04-018 (4674
Clovelly Walk) (File: 1010-20-04-018)
RECOMMENDED:
THAT the report ... be
received.
The Director of Planning, Lands and Permits
will describe the subject application as follows:
Applicant: Bill Chapman, B.C.L.S., Chapman
Land Surveying Ltd.
Affected Lands: 4674 Clovelly Walk (Lot
K, Block 13, District Lot 1240, Plan 21300)
Purpose: To provide for a future
[two-lot] subdivision on a site containing ["difficult
terrain".]
Draft Development Permit: To regulate
and impose conditions on the development of the site to avoid
hazardous conditions and to protect the natural
environment.
SJN: reason this is here is b/c steep terrain, wd involve a
cul-de-sac; b/c requires a Devt Permit, staff did not recommend a
cul-de-sac
Variance, the larger lot, bldg pushed back; pool......
trees; helpful to have a tree-cutting covenant --
[Ccl moved receipt of reports.]
VD: Clovelly unique? isn't Caulfeild Land Use Contract area
treed too?
SJN: a bit poetic but this is not in CLUC area and there are some
trees in spot
VD: anywhere else tree covenants?
SJN: by creeks, Tall Tree Estates and Whytecliff
Rockridge had one for two years
there are two others, but not individual lots
VD: is it the purpose of staff to put tree covenants along every
lot on Clovelly Walk?
SJN: no, they wd be voluntary
an owner [a while ago] has chosen to protect his trees
a quarter of a mile down the lane from this another but don't
know
VD: does the applicant intend to protect the trees
SJN: the nature of the subdivision, no need to cut the
trees
VD: the applicant is doing his best to keep his trees but
you/we/staff think we shd force him to keep his trees?
SJN: we always hope and anticipate but the next owner may
not
VD: allowed cut on north side?
SJN: yes; staff involved in nature of cutting
Sop: Jim Bailey's report under devt proposal
SJN: p 12
VD: Jan 7
Mayor: Dec 3, two reports
Sop: p 012 says both contain difficult terrain
in order to avoid a larger road dedication
dotted line, was solid line; across driveway entrance; what was
the change?
SJN: to the M from the private lot
Sop: dotted line significant?
SJN: current edge of payment
Sop: based on devpr wanting to satisfy his rights, this
configuration of driveway
SJN: believe for utilities
Sop: is the covenant area the one in motion tonight?
SJN: yes
VD: without variances cd he put a driveway in?
SJN: yes; if looking at page 019, where you see covenant you'd
see road going down with a turnaround; large lot and other lot
VD: what wd that have done?
SJN: wd have eliminated the trees
VD: applicant to maintain driveway or trees?
SJN: applicant's desire for driveway, staff's desire to keep the
trees
JF: what if want trees removed for sunlight or wider driveway?
what wd process be?
SJN: covenant not drawn up yet
of course hazard trees can be cut
there's a M bylaw wrt trees on M property
if someone wants to do some trimming for light, probably wd be
permitted
if tree oversize or destroying road, maybe replacement tree
on private property, typically there are no questions asked;
within property owner's right
JF: owner wd make application and staff wd make decision?
SJN: yes
VD: report says letters from six nbrs saying they support subdiv
as proposed; the gravel driveway and keeping trees
nothing about covenant
SJN: doesn't mention covenant; the four on the other side of the
road object to the covenant
VD: lack of support for covenant says here, may want to
"improve views in future"; isn't it the right of every nbr
to go across the street to ask nbr's trees be cut and owner's right to
refuse, on private property
SJN: correct
VD: everybody's been doing that --
not many trees cut on Clovelly Walk
SJN: not on THIS part of Clovelly Walk;
VD: appreciate the damage done by a dvpr further along who seemed
to stray further and cut trees on what people call Clovelly Walk
amazing fact that some inference being implied on nbrs who might
or might not want to ask for odd branch to be removed in future just
b/c they object to covenant
Sop: point of order, are we not to listen then discuss
Mayor: further information in these reports
VD: asking wrt these reports
says not applicable -- from whose point of view?
SJN: typically from the M's point of view
7:52
Mayor asked if any public input, saying opportunity for Ccl to
listen, not to debate at this time.
Michelle Kosich: Bill Chapman here to help; owner, here with
husband and children Ryan and Chelsea; have not prepared a
presentation
grew up in Caulfeild, went to Caulfeild School
was taught French by the owner of 4674 Clovelly Walk
when my father was transferred, moved to Ontario for highschool,
then to Quebec, met my husband
it was my husband's and my decision to move back to WV
lived at 4630 Clovelly Walk for four years; we sold to be able to
purchase 4674
spoken with 14 immediate nbrs, four weren't there [left messages,
willingness to discuss application]
none raised any concerns wrt subdiv, except a few concerned about
greenbelt covenant and one didn't like the restriction on blasting on
lot two
v special place
executor said wd like prop to stay in hands
on this prop my husband and I wd like to build our family
home
Sop: concerned about sensitivity to the area -- was it the prev
owner that removed some trees?
Bill Chapman: I was working with the estate of the prev owner;
knew her and worked with her for some 15 years prior to his death but
when the estate decided to develop it, part of request was to protect
and to develop to its maximum potential
hired an arborist from Bowen Island, attended site with Steve
Jenkins [DWV Env'tal Coordinator], walked the three lots to the north
as well as the two lots on the south side.
reviewed, wrote a report
on site had tree trimmers, tree fallers, and we identified a
tree, take it down, another, take it down, then do some limbing.
spent three days, very intensively to provide view corridors for
the three lots to the north
then Bill and Michelle expressed
Michelle came out wrt trees on south and she mentioned wch ones
she did not want cut, we showed what we'd cut [wd cut]
on north side created a 30ft strip; mixed with top soil DWV
supplied to us
bottom 30 ft
some native planting on N side
put on south side; bark mulch, tree-cutting; take away mulch and
gravel driveway shd be protected
spent a lot of time on indiv trees
on the driveway, [pointing] there's a tree that's weeping, and
being inexperienced, I thought had to be brought down but it was
explained that it was weeping to seal itself and protect itself from
bugs, restoring self so driveway has been redesigned
been topped but healthy
client wants to keep trees
trees wd be lost if road came in [here, pointing], blacktop, and
that wd have removed over 30 trees
we did new subdivision to retain the 35 trees
covenant over my client's, .......
My clients want to protect over 100ft; they've told nbrs they've
done the cutting and trimming they want to do
if they sell, er, but if they build here, trees shd be protected;
lot 2 can make up their own mind [cut all]
Lot 2, if covenanted cd have trees kept
there are only five trees left in the covenanted area; we
expanded it to capture one tree
another tree over here topped at 40ft, cd request removed and
expect staff wd grant
Sop: how many trees in the subject prop?
BCh: have a plan I cd put on wall, cd count
Sop: not necessary
BCh: suspect leaving 80 trees
Sop: does owner have any objection to covenant on trees?
Michelle, Owner: on my property? no.
Sue Robinson: I live in property due east
4660 Clovelly owners have been in Barbados since the notice went
out
ever since owner died
pleasure of living in a forest
but you have to realize that as a cmnty -- don't know how many
have passed there; areas clearcut
and another proposal, maybe a subdivision
so a street of maybe 18 houses, single lane road; there are some
unique old-growth trees there
built my house there
have lost 70% of my privacy by trees cut on that side; see loss
of more
saw plans at City Hall
re variances: while 20K min sq ft; we have a [36k?] and 21K;
unfortunately b/c of terrain build there, my privacy's gone
taking the 80 ft min and reducing it to 60 ft
if you look at the whole devt of Cl Walk, ev devt has been
subdivided as a panhandle
this is the first subdiv of a prop, we have a skinny lot --
understand owners want a large lot
impacts me and nbrs to the south
the other consideration env'tal challenging, runoff water
significant -- if my nbrs weren't in Barbados and were here, they
wdn't be here b/c their basement is a foot and a half under
water. B/c we had extreme weather today. Until I
went out today intervened with the contractors working on three nearby
lots across the street b/c the water runoff is coming down [so
fast/strong] that it blew up my [???] dump
construction process is quite challenging
VD: I know this street very well
Wd you prefer, uh, I mean they can do a legal subdiv without
coming to Ccl
wd you prefer that?
SueR: between devil and deep blue sea
existing driveway there, circular
haven't spent time studying it but I don't think it's an either
or situation
suddenly 60ft lot and necessitates envelope destroying privacy,
and ht wd
G-J: in your opinion what wd mitigate this for you?
SueR: siting of the bldg envelope; adjacent rather than directly
in front of my prop
trees have already been taken down, can't rebuild them; tree
barrier has been reduced by 50% and that's not going to be coming back
again
I've been told my view will be improved b/c owner will cut down
the trees
the tree-cutting hasn't finished so we're fooling ourselves
I did not move to Clovelly Walk to have trees removed but know
views and privacy are important, sometimes they're mutually
exclusive
Sop: where are you?
SueR pointed and said: I'm 4664 and the Brewsters are at 4660,
closer down to the traintracks
Sop to SJN: is that dotted line the driveway area?
SJN: possible driveway area
the building envelope is larger; house has not been designed
yet;
bldg 36ft away from road allowance
bldg cd start down in that area
more likely layout garage closer to street
lot approximately where wd be with cul-de-sac
Sop: existing driveway is in place? wanting to be left that way
and enjoyed b/c of mature planting, trees?
SJN: nature of the site and topography
Bill Chapman: two comments
the nbrs to the south, the Brewsters, who are away, met with my
client and gave verbal agreement Dec 21st
impact of home in this location [pointing]; whether you have road
or our proposed design, wd have home in this same location
in design we don't have to come to Ccl, setback 9ft, and we have
an additional 12 ft; ....we have a substantial separation
this home is designed to capture the view here back to the city
[pointing], oriented to look this way
this home has small windows on this side [more pointing], with
garage here, very little in the way of windows in any of these
locations that wd have any impact on privacy
a couple of trees in this area, and here to provide screening,
looked at it carefully
we were available to discuss this
believe we've dealt with it to the best of our ability.
CCL MOVED REPORTS BE RECEIVED
passed
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then MOTION MOVED TO CLOSE PUBLIC MTG
G-J: does that mean we won't get a staff report?
SJN: I believe anytime you get a staff report, mbrs of the public
may wish to comment on it, so if you were going to request a further
staff report you'd probably adjourn the public mtg
it's not a legal requirement, it's not a public hearing per
se
G-J: right.
Mayor: are you referring to specific questions raised that wd
require a staff report?
G-J: for me, I don't think I need a staff report, I think
there are some things to discuss and as long as we are free to do that
and the public are free to comment--
SJN: staff comment during your discussion is possible, Mr
Mayor.
G-J: that's fine.
[VOTE WAS TAKEN to close Public Mtg AND PASSED unanimously]
{Here's the $64K question. Will the public be free to
comment or not?
Is there a difference between Public Hearings and Public
Mtgs wrt public input?
The Dir of Planning was obviously mindful of the Gordon St
court case that ruled the public had the right to comment on staff
reports, therefore his implication 'morally' if staff report wanted,
not to close, so public cd comment. If they close the
Public Mtg, they shd not have a staff report (b/c of new information
introduced, a criterion wrt Public Hearings).
Cclr G-J laudably expresses her wish to be assured the
public will be free to comment during future discussion and clearly wd
not want to close the public mtg if they cd not.
Look at the answer.
Does it mean if staff comment during Ccl's discussion
that's fine and the Public Mtg can be closed, ie does not preclude
staff answering specific questions? whereas if a staff report,
shd not close?
What about the public?
Was the answer partial, surely not intentionally omitting
answer re public? assuming a followup or assuming applied to public by
extension?
Does Cclr G-J interpret if staff comment possible then
public's wd be too even though not specifically
mentioned?
This is an important issue of procedure for the
public.}
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8:20
5.
REPORTS
5.1 Eagleridge Area - Policy Review and
Actions
(File: 1015-02)
Designated Presenter: Director of
Planning, Lands & Permits
RECOMMENDED:
THAT staff prepare Official Community Plan and zoning bylaw
amendments, and supporting legal documentation and survey plans, that
reinforce protection of environmentally sensitive areas and features
in lands above Eagleridge and Horseshoe Bay, once the final route of
the proposed [four-lane] relocated Sea-to-Sky Highway is
determined.
SJN: what further actions Ccl can take
concerns over environment
key thing is that the province has stated they are proceeding
with the overland route (but land not acquired)
the District opposes that and is proceeding with [promoting?] the
four-lane tunnel
don't know exact location of hwy, b/c not finalized
once route known, District can negotiate with owner wrt what can
be preserved
wd like to point out M's zoning is NOT binding on the
province
member of public has suggested a change to effect "once
route decided by province"
G-J made motion: our 2004 OCP states these lands will be
protected; this provides greater certainty; shows intent
shift by prov govt
province's plan conflicts with ours
important to know wrt protection of wetlands throughout province,
they are sacrosanct
slowdown in Qualicum
wd like to know why we don't get the same respect.
Sop: our OCP protects; protection of biodiversity
[etc]
all components of the entire land above the hwy
we're concerned about the entire hillside but this only deals
[with this part]
goes right over to Nelson Creek watershed
SJN: intent to include
this report intent to provide focus
Sop: thoughts were, well they look at this and bringing this in
now
shd have an expression what our attitude is toward the
environment and hwy going over this
SJN: we are doing that as well
as Ccl knows, the owners of Rodgers Creek area -- you'll be
involved in a year-long process
this is above Eagleridge but others
your policies are
VD: think this is a good report
fundamentally clears up what I think the Minister and Ministry
try to draw a screen over
for those of us who voted for the OCP, one reason was for
protection of the environment
not all the land above the Upper Levels will be for housing
prov spun that and said all
this report puts it more concisely
staff has done a very good report
residential but doesn't say all will be used for residential, off
sensitive
think this is a good report
unfortunate little or no effect on province b/c they already know
that
not good point for press release
they just slammed us
they knew that, Ministry knew that, their own consultants knew
that
this report has a good purpose
when prov finally makes up mind, we'll be set to move
forward
JF: the OCP contemplates that when an area proposed for devt,
inventory to be taken
who pays?
are paths, is route for hwy set out?
has prov already undertaken the study? done env'tal
assessments?
we won't require further study prior to bringing these bylaws,
amendments, into place?
SJN: the prov govt has done some env'tal assessments but
DWV's opinion those are incomplete and flawed so will not be accepted
by the M
prov govt has also proposed to put a hwy through some of the
areas their studies have already shown as env'tally sensitive
JF: will M have to undertake further studies?
SJN: quite possible; the M will have to assess the value of the
dollar for doing that
8:33
5.2 Planning Advisory Committee 2004 Annual Report and
Proposed Workplan for 2005
(to be provided in Supplemental Agenda)
Designated Presenter: Director of
Administrative Services
5.3 Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368, 2004,
Amendment Bylaw No. 4416, 2005
(to be provided in Supplemental Agenda)
Designated Presenter: Director of
Administrative Services
{Why on earth wd these two items
be put on the agenda WITHOUT the material?
Why apparently not enough time over
the holidays to finalize the documentation
needed?
What's the problem with putting these
two items on the next or a future agenda with the normal, albeit
short, time for the public to read it and be
aware?
What criteria are there for
putting items on the agenda at the last minute thus reducing
availability and notice to the public?
What's the
hurry?
so that the time for public to be
informed has been drastically shortened?}
5.2
Rec'd for information
G-J: what is the status of our housing dialogue wrt OCP?
SJN: proposal for the beginning of a study coming to Ccl in a few
weeks.
5.3
RB, Dir/AS: been working with the two other Ms
pleased to report adjudication system has been very successful to
date
we're proposing [named] be included
asking first, second, and third reading this evening.
Sop: for unpaid tickets but will it apply to all our
bylaws?
RB: regulatory; common; only bylaws have been added, good
nbr
as bylaws change, will be adding to
that
Sop: when ticketed, off to
adjudication
concern meet with confrontation, not going
to accept this; do you enforce?
what wd be the next step
fine one, two, three, and four times;
person objects and still carries on, what wd be the
options?
RB: under the adjudication
there is a screening process; opp to
discuss with screening officers
why ticket shd be cancelled
then advanced to adjudication; then heard by prov adjudicator
do not have the ability to vary the fine;
determination must be made that a good probability that violation
occurred and they rule on it
method of appeal process is a judicial
review process
from our perspective, if not successful
with compliance can go through court system
can seek injunctions, individual
fines
new system we have at our disposal,
ticket up to a max of $1000; adjudication,
ticket up to $500
may make application to the courts, max of
$10K
Sop: the actual bylaw, if entered court, wd
it be enforceable? what we've set down in bylaws
RB: not clear;
our bylaws have the same jurisdiction as a court system
if adjudication upheld; can seek recovery
of fines, collection systems
Sop: if not a satisfactory, cd move to
court system and our bylaws wd be defendable and enforceable as
well
RB: our bylaws when drafted, when go to
adjudication only those set out
the most severe not mentioned
G-J: what is salient
this system works for straightforward
infractions
great to separate those out; deal in
efficient manner
whole lot of other grey areas that wd not
come under this
Mayor: understand the system is working very, very well.
8:41
6.
REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS
=
JF: the Mayor was invited and asked me to accompany him wrt North
Van Arts Ccl
also invited Cheryl Karchut of Silk Purse and Chair of
WVCAC
some structures Spirit of BC, and substructures enabling grants
awarded to groups, wd have to be matched, to assist putting on arts or
sports presentations or planning that wd enhance the lead up to
2010
NVAC has been working on this, marketing strategy, and asked if
WV wd be interested in making application, making it a North Shore
event
Mayor and I suggested writing a letter to WV
deadline is Jan 31st
hope by next mtg hope to have received specific information and
request to be a partner
another
was a celebration of thanks arranged by WV firefighters for all
those who have assisted in Santa Claus fund
prov govt has taken over the issuance of charitable donations;
this homegrown fund for some 45 to 50 years taking care needy families
in WV, hampers
brought together by firefighters, used to work out of Fire Hall;
luncheon in their honour
Mayor presented certificates, interesting, I think to 13 people,
and their accumulated service in something like 260 years
Lion's share, Ruth Stout, some 45 years
on an annual basis without any recognition; they solicit
donations and see to needs, wonderful celebration
Cclr G-J also attended
these people were very pleased to be recognized by Ccl
=
VD: myself and yourself attended the Ch of Commerce
after battling our way through the picket line
I thought your speech was very well received; interesting
questions; as usual well put on event, the food was great
Secondly, when this is finished wd like to propose a motion to
support Mayor Sharp's position regarding of refunding the TransLink
tax increase
=
G-J: began Library's new strategic plan on Saturday
staff reports incredible, what's going on in the world of
libraries is incredible
fundamental questions put to trustees and to cmnty
shd we become learning and research centre, are we where people
learn to navigate the Internet, beyond Google
how can Lib support cultural devt of cmnty like Booktopia at Kay
Meek Centre or concerts at Silk Purse centre without losing focus on
books and research
what to do with technology
I didn't know a DVD plays about a third as many times as a video;
huge implication on budget b/c have to buy the same thing three times
compared on how usable video was
we have the largest Persian collection, probably in Canada, due
to strong support from Persian cmnty and [their] funding and ongoing
funding
what about cost of technology
non-readers are turning into listeners, can download ebooks and
listen on MP3 player
just an explosion of access to information
came away feeling so jazzed about this library and what it can
offer this cmnty; so that will be fun
announcement around Booktopia, the WV Children's Literature
Festival; major sponsor is the Library Fdn but VSun Raise-a-Reader
Program now as well a sponsor
exciting we can play a bigger role in raising awareness around
literacy in the region
finally,
was asked to speak at the Leadership Vancouver retreat this
weekend on Bowen kicking off its class for this term; takes
professionals in region and asks them to select a cmnty project and
devote their time to developing their civic contributions and
skills
really pleased to say I suggested they take on the North Shore
Youth Safe House and its issue of stabilized funding, and it was the
most popular selection of that class
a role we play in the region
best minds, beyond our own borders
=
Sop: attended on behalf of Cclr Day, HAC, as well as PEAC
one of the interesting parts was the speaker Bob Parliament of
the prov heritage ministry
giving cmte insite into strategic planning
suggestion maybe they wd like to meet with Ccl as a
presentation
last PEAC mtg they sent an attachment with their views of
pesticides
=
Mayor: just been reminded that I neglected to mention the Aquatic
Centre is coming up to its first birthday Jan 30th. Mr Pike can
you enlighten us?
KPike: actually I can't; been swirling around, got bits and
pieces, been working on many other things; will get back to you prior
to event; variety of things being planned; Mayor and Ccl will be
there, on the Sunday, Jan 30th --
Mayor: understand commences at 12:30
KP: that is correct
JF: and there will be cake --
{I've checked and as you see in Mtg/Events above, it's from
11:30 - 2pm.}
VD: Most people will have read about the problem that has arisen
with the increase in assessments wch has given TransLink $13m
As assessments go up, mill rates go down so they don't to the Ms
much good, however TransLink is a precise percentage of the assessed
values. When they put this through they thought 2% per annum;
well last year went up by 4% and this year 18%
as you mentioned in your speech, Mr Mayor, this additional tax
point, is approx $500K add'l tax for WV
Mayor Sharp has commenced lobbying the Bd to reassess this
position to return this back to the homeowners.
obviously we shd support this
therefore I make motion that TransLink return the excess to
homeowners and support Mayor Sharp's position
8:55
7.
OTHER ITEMS
7.1
Correspondence [listed in previous issue]
Only two letters referred to:
7.1.8 M. Jordan, Global Health Enterprises, Inc.,
January 01, 2005, regarding litter in West Vancouver
Referred to Director of
Engineering and Transportation for consideration and
response.
7.1.9 P. Miller, January 03, 2005, regarding
downhill truck traffic on 27th Street
Referred to Director of
Engineering and Transportation for consideration and
response.
G-J: have a question about M Jordan re
littering. I think she's right, especially in front of
Starbucks, disgusting
not sure what is required but keep
hearing this
a clean and tidy, pristine cmnty is what
most citizens expect
Dir/Engg: first thing I intend to do is to
inspect sites to see if there's anything we can do and speak to staff
and time of response to these complaints
some areas prov jurisdiction so will speak
to them
MMgr: re commercial [sites] also speaking
to them
JC: re downhill 27th, do know we do offer
permission for trucks doing work for the District, may get
special
but these were delivering to a care
home
wd like assurance not being done [given
permission to trucks] at large
Dir/Engg: we've already looked into that
and haven't issued permits for that
contacted writer of letter and asked for licence numbers if they observe any more so
we can contact them
JC: very good
VD: also about litter letter, Starbucks up
at Caulfeild Shopping Centre, but if you go down drive you'll see
litter all the way down
probably highway lineup but certainly M
road
it has got substantially worse in last six
to nine months
seems to stop when you get to the
pedestrian tunnel that goes under the hwy
8:59
8.
PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
BCh: didn't catch re public mtg; did you close?
Mayor: closed
BCh: when going to discuss it? tonight? when?
there was no staff report requested, can it not be discussed
tonight?
Mayor: typically don't on same night, one week
SJN: cd have been on tonight; in anticipation there cd hv bn a
question will be on next week's agenda
=
VD: was wondering see a number of members of Save the
Bluffs
wonder if we were going to ask Ms Pottinger, the Liberal
candidate, to explain her position
heard against tunnel and for hwy
wonder if we were about to do that
Mayor: a planted question
VD: a thought-up question, yes
Mike Evison: for a moment at a loss for words, uh Chairing
Coalition
I confess, surprised that we may have invited a candidate for the
upcoming election to address Ccl on an issue such as this
VD: wonder why she supports prov govt and not us, since she
represents us
ME: I haven't spoken to her, some mbrs of the Coalition have
spoken to her
VD, laughing: okay, I'll ask the question, when are we going to
invite her?
Mayor: I don't think it's up to us to invite her, for her to make
a presentation to us
if Coalition cd convince her to come forward with her position
and why, it might be appropriate
ME: I'd be pleased to
JC: question that cd or shd come up at an all-candidate
mtgs
VD: if can't ask it here, certainly ask it at an all-candidate
mtg
ME: thank you for so delicately asking that question
MMgr: if Ccl is interested in the candidate's position on that
particular issue, you cd ask us to convey interest to the candidate
and ask that she provide some information whether she appears or does
it in writing, may helpful for Ccl to understand her
perspective
if Ccl wishes us to do that -- [write letter] on behalf of Ccl,
we can
Mayor: believe that was intent
VD: wd much prefer to see her, then we cd actually ask more
probing questions
she might not want to turn up
Mayor: suspect that might be the case.
MMgr: we cd also convey Ccl's interest in having a public
discussion.
[smiles]
9:03
9.
ADJOURNMENT
+++++ ABBREVIATED
AGENDA 7pm Monday 2005 Jan 24 +++++
A Supplemental Information
Package/Agenda May be Issued on Friday
RECONVENED PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING re 605 Clyde
Avenue
ZONING AMENDMENT BYLAW / DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION
The Director of Planning, Lands and Permits will describe the
subject application:
Applicant: Crescentview Investments Ltd.
Affected Lands: 605 Clyde Avenue
Purpose: To provide for development of a four-storey
17-unit seniors-oriented strata apartment building, with 23
underground parking spaces, accessed from an opened and improved 6th
Street right-of-way.
Proposed Zoning Bylaw Amendment: To rezone the property
from C.R.1 (Commercial Restricted Zone 1) to an amended R.M. 8
(Multiple Dwelling Zone 8)
Proposed Development Permit: To regulate and impose
conditions respecting the form and character of the
development.
Your only opportunity to comment on the proposed bylaw will be
during the Reconvened Public Hearing as members of Council are not
permitted to receive further submissions after the Hearing is
closed.
The applicant will be provided an opportunity to make a
presentation on the subject application.
Mayor Wood will call for Public Input.
Closure of the Reconvened Public Hearing and Public Meeting if
there is no further public input,
OR
if Council wishes a further staff report, then adjourned to
________________.
3. ADOPTION OF
MINUTES
3.1 Public Hearing/Public
Meeting Minutes, January 10, 2005
3.2 Council Meeting Minutes,
January 10, 2005
4. REPORTS
4.1 Amendment to Business
Licence Bylaw - Odours/Noise (Business Licence Bylaw
No. 3024, 1982, Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004
Designated Presenter: Director of Administrative
Services
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated January 13, 2005 from
the Manager of Bylaw & Licencing [sic] Services re Amendment ...
be received for information.
{For language lovers: licence is the noun and license is the
verb; this shd be Licensing (the present participle).}
4.2 Fees and Charges Bylaw
No. 4414, 2005
Designated Presenter: Director of Administrative
Services
(to be circulated in the Supplemental Agenda)
{What's the problem? if not ready, put it on next
agenda! why give very little time for the public to see the
bylaw? What's the urgency? what criteria are there to
allow staff to withhold/shorten time from/for the
public?}
4.3 Proposed Pesticide Use
Control Bylaw
Designated Presenter: Director of Parks and Community
Services
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. Pesticide Use
Control Bylaw No. 4377, 2004 be introduced and read a first and second
time.
2. Council direct
the Parks and Community Services Division to draft a formal
"Pesticide Use" Policy with respect to internal operations within
both Departments.
3. Council direct
staff to prepare a public education and awareness strategy and
budget.
4.4 Development Permit
Application 04-018 (4674 Clovelly Walk)
Designated Presenter: Director of Planning, Lands &
Permits
RECOMMENDED:
THAT Development Permit No. 04-018 (4674 Clovelly Walk) which
would provide for a future two-lot subdivision with variances to
site width for both lots and a variance to highest building face for
the house on proposed Lot 1 be approved.
4.5 Arts and Culture
Strategy
Designated Presenter: Director of Parks and Community
Services
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. The Arts and
Culture Strategy dated January 14, 2005 (Appendix 1) be adopted as
the foundation for arts and culture development in West
Vancouver.
2. The
recommendations identified in the strategy be approved.
***{uh, what are they?}
3. The
priority actions requiring operating funds be approved and implemented
on a phased basis in 2005 and 2006 as funding becomes
available.
***{er, how much $$$???}
4. Capital funds
for facility studies and the Kay Meek Centre contribution from the
Municipality, be approved for the 2005 budget year.
{uh, er, again, how much $$$???
Anyone remember that DWV was promised that the centre wd
not involve taxpayer money/higher taxes b/c there wd be a
fund/foundation/interest generated that wd cover operating expenses.
I support the arts. I agree with subsidizing the arts -- culture
is supported by govts everywhere. I do not agree with false or
broken promises.}
5. Capital
funding for the remaining projects recommended in the Strategy be
included in the [Ten-Year] Year Capital Plan once the necessary
planning and consultation work has been completed.
{And will we be simply presented with a new Ten-Year
Capital Plan? It was withdrawn about a year ago, it was promised
last spring when we asked when, however we're still waiting.
And, of course, so much for Capital Plans (whether $40 or 45m) set in
stone.
Now, I have no quibble with changing circumstances/needs
resulting in revised estimates or projections. Again, my problem
is with false, misleading, or impossible commitments.}
6. Staff be
directed to bring forward for approval, the policies on Special
Events, and on Public Art and Municipal Art Collection.
7. An Arts and
Culture Strategy Implementation Committee be formed as a Select
Committee of Council, to make recommendations on actions necessary for
the implementation of the Strategy.
{GOOD MOVE!
Which reminds us. When are they going to reinstate
ITAC (Information Technology Advisory Cmte) when they have computer
items on the budget sometimes of $2m and more with the potential of
savings and more efficiency in these times of rising
taxes?
How come an aspect that involves far less money rates a
cmte?
What sort of criteria is being used?
Maybe just b/c there is so little computer expertise it
gets ignored or overlooked......}
4.6 Housing Dialogue and
Neighbourhood Planning Initiatives: Proposed Program and
Timeline Designated Presenter: Director of Planning,
Lands & Permits
RECOMMENDED:
THAT Phase 1 of the Proposed Housing Dialogue Program set out in
the report from the Planning Analyst dated January 12, 2005 be
approved.
{What? Excuse me? without putting the report,
program, or initiatives out for public input???}
5. BYLAWS
5.1 Zoning Bylaw
No. 2200, 1968 Amendment Bylaw No. 4409, 2004 (605 Clyde
Avenue) Designated Presenter: Director of Planning, Lands &
Permits
This Bylaw received first reading at the December 13, 2004 Council
Meeting.
RECOMMENDED:
THAT "Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968 Amendment Bylaw
No. 4409, 2004" (605 Clyde Avenue) be read a second and third
time.
5.2 Bylaw Notice Enforcement
Bylaw 4368, 2004, Amendment Bylaw No. 4416, 2005
Designated Presenter: Director of Administrative
Services
This Bylaw received third reading at the January 17, 2005 Council
Meeting.
RECOMMENDED: THAT "Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw .... be
adopted.
6. REPORTS FROM
MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS
7. OTHER
ITEMS
7.1 Correspondence
No Action Required (receipt only)
7.1.1 Committee
and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) Heritage Advisory Committee,
November 09, 2004
7.1.2 A.
Dinwoodie, President, Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM),
January 04, 2005, regarding 2005 UBCM Membership
7.1.3 A. Shwetz,
Manager, Lower Mainland-Coastal Community Relations, BC Hydro,
January 12, 2005, regarding BC Hydro 2005 Integrated Electricity
Plan: Vancouver Regional Workshop
7.1.4 J. Spence,
January 07, 2005, regarding 2416 Marine Drive, West Vancouver and
proposed lease to Starbucks
7.1.5 V.
Sutherland, January 12, 2005, regarding Arts and Culture Plan for West
Vancouver - Ferry Building Expansion
7.1.6 Municipal
Finance Authority of British Columbia, January 12, 2005, regarding
Financial Forum and Annual General Meeting
7.1.7 K. Vance,
Senior Policy Analyst & J. Wright, Policy Analyst, Union of
British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM), January 07, 2005,
regarding Environmental Conference: Integrated Environmental
Management
7.1.8 A. D. Kerr,
November 30, 2004, regarding Good Neighbour Bylaw
7.1.9 J. Whyte,
November 30, 2004, regarding Good Neighbour Bylaw
7.1.10 R. H. Banks, November
30, 2004, regarding Good Neighbour Bylaw
7.1.11 M. Boileau, November
30, 2004, regarding Good neighbour Bylaw
7.1.12 K. Farquharson &
L. Cooper, Co-Chairmen, Strata Corporation LMS 532, January 17, 2005,
regarding proposed amendment to Business Licence Bylaw No. 4403 (Re:
Odour and Noise Control)
Action Required
7.1.13 D. Stephenson, January
16, 2005, regarding Millennium Developments
Referred to Director of
Planning, Lands & Permits for consideration and response.
7.1.14 B. & H. Corbet,
January 07, 2005, regarding pairing with a tsunami impacted Asian
village
Referred to Mayor
and Council for consideration and response.
8. PUBLIC
QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS //
9. ADJOURNMENT
+++ QUOTATIONS
++++++++++++
The urge to save humanity is almost always a false front for the
urge to rule.
--
H.L. Mencken, writer, editor, and critic (1880-1956)
Nothing is more dangerous than an idea when it's the only one you
have.
--
Emile Chartier, philosopher (1868-1951)
The greatest of faults, I should say, is to be conscious of
none.
--
Thomas Carlyle, writer (1795-1881)
Today's public figures can no longer write their own speeches or
books, and there is some evidence that they can't read them
either.
--
Gore Vidal (1925- )
.......One whom famous American writer Vidal was not thinking
of.......
Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort
of thought.
--
John F. Kennedy, 35th US president (1917-1963)
Democracy substitutes election by the incompetent many for
appointment by the corrupt few.
--
George Bernard Shaw, Irish dramatist (1856 - 1950)
Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people
who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it.
--
Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
+++ HAIKU +++
2004 December 29 ++++++++++++++++++++
'good' and 'bad' are our concepts
~~
Earth's
oblivious;
we're
irrelevant
That was my tsunami thought; but we can be good and bad to each
other.
May the milk of human kindness reign.
As to Mother Nature, some realization and preparation wd be good
for us.
--
Yours thoughtfully,
Carolanne Reynolds
Editor,
West Van Matters / EditorWVM@WestVan.org
tel 604
926 8649; msg 922 4400; fax 926 8182 www.westvan.org
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