+++++  RUMBLINGS  +++++  gRUMBLINGS  +++++

More later, but it may be helpful to look at an early ten-year plan (2000) wch had $13.5m for the central cmnty centre (with 2002 start).  There were revisions, then the Ten-Year Capital Projects Plan was removed from the M website in early 2004 and although eagerly promised/anticipated it's on the agenda finally for Feb 28th (2005).  Can't wait to see it.  When challenged by VD I asked for a current one the other day, waited, and got another also dated March 2003 but revised.  This one has no expenditures for 2005 and the central cmnty centre as $12m+ (plus $7m+ for parking, etc wch was NOT identified in the original budget planning).  Hold up your hand if you thought nothing will be spent this er, um, election, year.  They spent over $12m of the $45m ten-year plan during the last election year (~$6m before, $10m+ year after, ie ~$28m of $45m in first four years).  No wonder the funds dried up.  Interesting to see where they'll come from and changes.

+++  NEW CMNTY CENTRE  ~60K sq ft, how many $$$?

= At PAC Wed, Feb 23, considerable debate; recommended sending project back to Ccl to consider an FAR under 1.0.  Land use is their bag and most agree variety of housing desirable in WV so choice but not necessarily high density -- remember this area now is .35FAR and the proposal is 1.0 (but includes the whole area so if roads excluded, it may be 1.35FAR).  The applicant did have some interesting pathways and linkages.

= At DAC on Thursday (Feb 24), a thoughtful discussion resulting in an eight-part motion, in effect look at density, height, massing, scale.  There were impassioned remarks about having devt with WV character (and there are about 28 areas with distinctive WV character) integrated with the topography (not in spite of it!).  I say I'd like to see an exciting and imaginative devt sensitive to the environment and special geography.  Even more fascinating was that one of the cmnty benefits mentioned was $500K for Kay Meek.  Did staff negotiate or suggest that?  SJN correctly pointed out that Ccl no longer want staff to negotiate cmnty benefits, they will consider them.

=  Evelyn Drive will be on the EAC agenda Tuesday Mar 1st.  That's another nut to crack.   Every discussion has bemoaned the traffic on Taylor Way.  Putting in the roads will be expensive for the devpr.

=  Delegations on WV Family Place Society and on Noise Control re Hwy Upgrades near Ansell

=  Business Licence Amendment Bylaw - Odour & Noise Control [3rd reading rescinded; to be revised]

=  CORRESPONDENCE:  EAC minutes; Child Care Resource Program; Lawrence Way left; Youth Sports Tax Credits; WCWC's Edu Report; Evelyn Drive; Noise/Odours Bylaw; TransLink urban transportation forum; Env'mt Conference; helmets; TransLink re Property Tax; Almondel Rd Bridge; Starbuck's 2416 MDr; Mtn Biking; Coho Society; traffic volume, road mtnce, and safety

 

~ 5pm ~ PAC in Ccl Chamber -- EVELYN DRIVE on agenda

~ 7pm ~ Discussion on future of Hodgson House (1913) at Museum

~ 7pm ~ SPCA AGM with Speaker at Srs' Centre

~ 4pm ~ Police Board at Ch of Commerce Boardroom

~ 5pm ~ NSACDI mtg at CNV Hall

~ 5:15 ~ DAC in Ccl Chamber  [alas, another story of the agenda not up, this time until the very afternoon, however it was on EVELYN DRIVE too!]

then 3:30pm Cypress Snowshoe Trek and BBQ (reservations required)

~ 4:30pm ~ EAC, and it's EVELYN DRIVE again -- and Alleluia/Hallelujah, it's already posted!

~ 7pm ~  CSAC -- Cmnty Grants, and agenda's already posted too!

~ 6pm ~ PEAC HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED to MAR 9th

These minutes, Feb 14th, are on the 28th agenda, fascinatingly different from transcript.

You may be interested in how the ccl mtg minutes report the "Public Questions and Comments" part.  In the last issue (WVM2005 - 07), I reported on Jay Brownlee's questions/remarks (about the answer to a letter to Mayor and Ccl, the time to wait for one, and a letter's appearance in Correspondence).  [By the way, it's 11 days for a delegation and six days for a letter, but you'd never know by reading ccl mtg minutes.  Helpful, eh?]

Here's what the minutes, for adoption at the Feb 28th ccl mtg say:

"

8.   PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

J. Brownlee [..address..] spoke relative to Councillors' response process wrt citizen queries, and queried status of correspondence previously sent to Council.

C. Reynolds [address.., Editor, WV Matters] spoke relative to:

"

Now,

let's read the transcript to see how closely the ccl mtg minutes match what was actually said.  You'll see that from some points of view there are seven topics.  FYI, I think Ccl's or staff's ANSWERS to questions from the public are more important than the questions themselves but they are rarely reported, as you see:

VD: we all receive many phone calls and we each deal with it in our different ways to help the cmnty.

Miss Reynolds.

CR:  Good evening. Carolanne Reynolds, Editor, West Van Matters [#8 1065 - 24th], www.westvan.org

First of all,

Congratulations, Cclr Durman on running a second, well-run, mtg in a row.  Very impressed, thank you.

VD: thank you very much

=  1  =

CR [referring to remarks earlier in the mtg]:

A couple of comments

as to the casino -- wch caused great merriment at the presentation at the HAC mtg

It is rather funny, except that New Westminster gets $500,000 a year for heritage from that casino so -- I know we don't want a casino on the waterfront, I'm not advocating it, but we wdn't sneeze at that much money for any project in the cmnty.

CR, agape: from the casino? Wow!

VD: that is why people say Ms become addicted to gambling

I hope we never do

CR: No.  Well, right now, we're just thinking about those $25K gifts wch are great.

=  2  =

I did also notice the Good Nbr [Bylaw reference], in the Correspondence, I read through those letters too, and it is confusing, I think a lot of the letters, as the MMgr mentioned, do talk about odours and things from restaurants -- but that's not the Gd Nbr [Bylaw], that's the odours one, so perhaps someone cd tell them, they're talking about the wrong bylaw.

=  3  =

Also, wrt letters I was going to ask--

I was told, uh, Mr Brownlee said a week and a half ago -- I was told you have to submit a letter 11 days before the Ccl mtg before it makes the Public Correspondence, so he might just not have been not quite long enough

I was under impression email or letters to Mayor and Ccl do get to be part of the Public Correspondence.  Is that not so?

VD: in normal course of events

CR: right, and still has to be 11 days in advance?

VD: no idea

CR: That's good; that's earlier, tyvm

=  4  =

VD: and I'm sure if Mr Laing was [sic] here, you'd say--

=  5  =

CR: The main question I'm here for, is the Sports & Rec [Facility Planning Select Cmte] mtgs

there was some confusion, and perhaps we cd just have some information on procedures

In the Feb 6 Tidings, it said there wd be an Open House on the cmnty centre, and I sent out my newsletter and I looked on the M website and it wasn't mentioned anywhere; and then I thought, well, maybe somebody just left it off, so I said I can't believe it's cancelled, and so I sent out another notice saying I think there might be one, but it's not on the M website

Then someone called me and left a message for me Sunday; said there's a small ad on p 12 of NShNews on Sunday saying that the Open House on the cmnty centre wch was scheduled for Tuesday the 15th at the Srs' Centre has been postponed

VD: Correct.  I announced that at the beginning of the mtg

CR:  I'm terribly sorry, I was a bit late --when is the new date?

I said at the time, at the beginning of the mtg, we will announce when the mtg will be called when we've got to that point.

CR: Yes, well some people have expressed some concern to me about the cmnty centre b/c I understand, and, as you know, b/c I've been to some of the Sports & Rec Fac Planning mtgs, that I started asking a year ago when we wd have some public input; and the comment that came back to me, just to pass on to you, is that the cmnty centre -- as far as anyone can tell -- will cost twice maybe three times as much as the Aquatic Centre.

VD: When we are ready to present a plan the cmte had decided upon and can recommend to Ccl, we will do so at wch moment it will be priced, it will be sized, and so forth.

At the moment we're listening to an architect discuss those issues with us

as you know, you come to many of those mtgs, and you've sat through those mtgs

CR:  Yes.  That brings up two questions actually

=  6  =

you said, once you've decided it'll come to Ccl, but that doesn't really make clear the period of time or when the public wd have input.  It sounded, when you just spoke now, it wd already be decided when it comes.

VD: No.  As you know, the cmte has never made a decision, it has made a recommendation to Ccl and Ccl then has to consider that recommendation with the advice of the Finance Dept as to how it's going to be funded, the costs, the process.

We are not close--

CR: oh, not close

VD: we're trying to get there b/c the cost of construction is increasing--

CR: that's true

CR:  Yes, it's terrible

VD: that is why we're trying to push as hard as we can to come to a conclusion so we can come to this Ccl Chamber to make a recommendation

CR: yes, and that's the thing, the conclusion, make a recommendation

With the Aquatic Centre there were three different designs for people to have input

CR: Okay.  Will there be public input before you come with that one design?

VD: There will be a public mtg as we had planned for tomorrow, the same sort of format as tomorrow's mtg

MMgr:  Mr Pike may want to comment but I do believe we have had a fair bit of consultation in past years, certainly with stakeholder groups wrt cmnty centre

I believe late last year we had a public mtg where there was some information provided wrt status and I certainly anticipate going out to the public once we have something to show them

I don't believe too far off in the distant future

want to make sure we've got something affordable, cmte's supportive of, Ccl's aware of before we go out to the public

CR: and if you want to keep to your ambitious plan of starting construction in August, it's really quite tight for you

=  7  =

The other question was about the Sports & Rec Fac Planning cmte's notice of meetings.

Those notices have not been going up on the [M] website and they haven't always been posted just before Wednesday

So if somebody cd pls remind me what the guidelines are for posting the agendas for that or any mtg

SSch: notices [agendas] are to be posted 48 hours prior to the commencement of the mtg

we have been reminding the cmte secretaries about that, so I will follow up with Ms Reynolds's

VD: there was one mtg  wch somehow got muddled

I was the only person who turned up

Cclr Ferguson turned up ten minutes later in her pyjamas, nearly

CR, laughing: I'm so sorry I missed that mtg!

VD: you missed it; we don't know quite what went wrong but something went wrong; I, staff, turned up but nobody else did, so we didn't talk very long and we left

CR: Yes, I had heard about that one but I also was at another advisory cmte

someone mentioned about a mtg that morning as well, I think around the 26th, and I hadn't heard about that one as well

was that just someone remembering the wrong date?

and then, when looked at the M website, the last, the only agenda on the website under the Sports/Rec was Jan 19th, and the next one was Feb 9th.  The one you said you turned up with no notice was at that time [somewhere in that time period] and I heard there was another one as well that people didn't know about, so it was a little confusing, so--

VD: I don't think there's been any mtg of the select cmte that hasn't followed the proper regulations--

CR [!!!]: well [laughing], you just mentioned one that didn't!

VD: I'm not sure why nobody else turned up b/c I got my notice

CR: but it wasn't posted.

You see on Monday night I go out and I look outside there b/c it shd really be posted if there's going to be a mtg Wednesday morning.

I don't want to single out your cmte b/c I think you run a good cmte, and I think that's fine, but it's been more than one occasion, and I didn't want to point at you either, that Monday night there isn't anything for Wednesday morning and then it turns out there is a mtg.

VD: Well, I don't believe -- if it's happened once, it was the one and only time, I believe, for a mtg of the Select Cmte, wrt this issue

CR: --but anyway, I suppose people shd know you will be discussing the new cmnty centre at the Sports/Rec Fac Planning cmte mtgs and they're every Wed morning at 8:30, that from now on I understand

VD: they are unless they're cancelled

CR: so everyone, if they want to find out--

VD: I don't think it's going to be anything like that

CR: so, um, the ball park figure I had heard was around $20m, give or take a couple--

VD: I don't know where you heard that from, b/c I don't think that figure has even been quoted in the cmte

CR: Well, 60,000 square feet, I suppose if that's what the plan is, wch is what the Feb 6th Tidings said--

JC: this is entire conjecture!

CR: but--a plan--

VD: the problem with entire conjecture is it gets out in the cmnty, conjecture becomes reality, and I'm trying to suggest--

VD: -- it's not reality, this is make-believe

CR:  Well, is the 60K sf that was in the Tidings--

VD:  60K is made up of around 38K sf of cmnty centre, as you well know b/c you've been sitting as a mbr of the public and the cmnty, and as I announced earlier, we're planning on building, subject to final agreement, possibly 15 - 20K sf additional space for the Health Board

CR: Yes, that's a very good--

VD: and you don't think that we wd build it out of our money

CR: No, no, that's right, so what is the percentage, sq footage--

CR:  Right. So the 40K is what we have to look at

VD: yes

CR: so that's what people are giving a ball park figure on, I suppose -- depending on what construction costs, how much, goes up in the next little bit

VD: that's conjecture again, b/c it's make-believe

CR: so 40K is make believe?

VD: thank you very much, Ms Reynolds

CR: 40K is make believe?

VD: we're talking about 38K,

CR: okay, 38K

VD: at the present time, as you well know

CR: fine; 38K is the projected part [for the cmnty] at this time

Sop: I have been informed in due time that the mtg on Wed has been cancelled this week

VD: yes, it has

Sop: that's very nice, and I'll wait till next Wednesday to find out.

ADJOURNMENT

                        thus transcript typed during mtg on a best efforts basis

Mayor thanked Cclr Durman for sitting in for him for the last two Mondays lamenting not there for a third

Mayor: Pleased to have Janice Bosley [sp?]; this is Rotary Week

JB gave background and had slides:

started in Chicago 1905, became international with a chapter in Winnipeg in 1911

motto: service above self

ensure high ethical standards

promote international peace, involved in UN Charter 1945-46

two WV chapters, WV and WV Sunrise

world peace scholarships

eradication of polio, worldwide; immunization of 6m children; pledged to immunize all of world's chn by this centenary year, just a bit short of that

polio only in six countries

more information in book donated to Library and on website

Rotary provided the first WV ambulance;  it was a converted Volkswagen van

....

WV Historical Society was formed by the Rotary in 1952?

...

humanitarian service

established for networking

Congratulations to Rotary on 100 years of service

exceptional public service

Christopher Loat [sp?], president this year, and Janice Bosley president of Sunrise

...

Janice thanks on behalf of the two WV chapters.

Rotary started on Feb 23 in 1905 in Chicago

1.2m mbrs world's oldest Service Club 32K clubs in 166 countries

service above self motto, commitment ev member makes

the four-way test; optimistic it will grow

Rotary helped draft the UN Charter 1945-46

...

Full interesting presentation; much volunteer work, including on eradicating polio worldwide (immunize 2b chn), on the grassy area north of LGB (bulbs from DWV), for orphanage and technical school in Honduras

Display on south side of Park Royal and at Capilano Mall this Saturday

four clubs on North Shore

Hollyburn Roteract Club active

among other activities:

WV Youth Week

Student Scholarships

lunch program for isolated seniors

Interact Clubs at Sentinel and Rockridge

annual seniors' lunch at Christmas

G-J: thank you for the tremendous support you give the children in WV

RD: Rotary helps in small ways as well.  When Museum starting, needed copying machine and didn have a microreader, Rotary was there with grants for equipment

7:26

SJN, Colette Parsons (staff), and consultant Gordon Harris (specialist on retail and service industries):

Renewing the Heart of our Cmnty

Revitalization late 80s.  Ambleside is built on a bog.  The Town Centre has gone through some changes.

Will describe the characteristics of a successful street; give some height and view analyses; recommend some goals for Ccl to consider; then some vision and process.

GH: Marine Drive is WV's main street

a main street needs to be a conduit, place for civic and commercial action; needs to have a clear sense of place; needs to be a destination

subjective

must deal with inevitable conflicts between and among users

[image of Granville St Mall with no people and 10th Ave with -- taken at same time of day]

Sign in Dundarave better than the one for Kerrisdale

needs activity everywhere -- illustration on 4th next to McBride

Robson St bet Burrard and Thurlow -- sense of enclosure, defines space

traffic volume and capacity -- photo along Robson to east showing [top of mushroom in bondage]

most oaf us travel by car

presence of parking, on and off street

mix of bldg types, heights, conditions -- photo 41st showing that (Kerrisdale)

mix of uses (upper 10th Ave photo)

streets need a place for people to sit, people like to take time out; photos 15 min apart with diff people; hope to keep them on street longer

sidewalks can contribute to that too, 10 - 12 ft; allows public and private activity (photo, greengrocers)

not just retail (Stanley Theatre)

Comparison: Ambleside

radius quartermile, five- to seven-minute walk

looked at Edgemont, Kerrisdale, and Fourth Ave; Dunbar, Arbutus

similar characteristics and unique differences

Took Fourth from Fir to Alma, not contiguous commercial devt

quick comparison

Ambleside is cut off by the water, truncated trade area

15 variables: such as popn size, popn density, income, age, hshld size, traffic counts, retail anchors, other uses

concluded compared with other areas

found lowest income of those areas, and not surprising since highest popn 65 and older

28% 65+ and over, district-wide 22%, so almost a 25% greater

highest number of stores and services, others about 300, Ambleside about 500

longest continuous stretch of commercial we looked at -- about six blocks long -- so just a bit too long to be walking

Edgemont lowest traffic count

16,000 vehicles a day with higher at 13th dropping at 15th and further, suggesting people not going all the way through

Safeway here, Fourth, Stong's in Dunbar

Ambleside has, that stands out, setting and waterfront with its activities.

SJN: few areas within the Lower Mainland that have the ability to compete with its assets and environment

Service Stations not what people walk by

Financial institutions

in last 25 years, seven new bldgs; almost complete reconstruction on Bellevue

complete replacement almost in Dundarave

Ask Karl Neilson to do some studies; rents, etc

some assembly is taking place, one owner for several bldgs

13 and 1400 blocks, S and N side

redevt makes sense

nothing to spare, difficult to put together packages, odd lot shapes

FAR 1.6 or greater -- 14th and Marine, 14th and Bellevue

what type of income is coming off the site

the small usually redevpd

any successful area, prime for office, professional services

increased density wd increase potential for redevt

People come in and ask what can we do

we'd like to provide greater clarity as to what Ccl wants to occur

took seven survey sections through Ambleside

[Example 13th St]

high first or second storey for commercial, then residential

View from 16th St with analysis

hi rise in 1800 block

Conclusions: scenic views change; current over commercial but further west through hirises

sometimes full floor difference between lane and street

GH: Mr N has touched on uses on second floor, professional services

one of the challenges is demographic change

the reality is the Cdn popn is changing -- not overnight but have to take into account

what is different when we're accommodating aging popn

framing east and west ends may be something that has to be thought about

water cuts off south so have to work harder E/W

underutilized sites undermine the successful main street but pose challenges

attracting people, activities, that continue to bring people into Ambleside

viewed as opportunities: a more friendly pedestrian-oriented street -- activity and action

provision of goods and services

residential uses -- living in area and supporting businesses

civic activities, social, arts & culture; tying in waterfront

give ppl reason to come back and spend time on the street

give thought to design

ev successful comm area has great space and marginal space

maintaining balance a challenge; opp to make street even more interesting

Biz Improvement Assns -- work with them to find gaps

help businesses become better lobbyists

assembling parcels, doing a number of things simultaneously; more activity on the street

consolidation of properties

[bring up slide] staff put this together and useful to look at

symbolic heart of the cmnty

gathering place, formal and informal

place to celebrate, place for events, tie park and waterfront

ppl out and socializing with nbrs

has to have a pedestrian orientation, but with vehicle option

ideally a place to live

proximity of recreational and cultural activities

aware of strong linkages to Pk Royal Village, civic centre, and waterfront

--

SJN: very important to work with the assets Ambleside has; few can compete, not many seaside villages

we do not have popn growth, indeed the lowest popn growth -- lowest on Lower Mainland and for future

Vision Stmt:

Integrating QTN

Goals for Strengthening the Town Centre

A  Land Use; B  Form and Character;

SLIDES:

Proposed Land Use Concept [coloured sections, comm/live-work, Heritage Park]

waterfront town centre

C  Proposed Circulation (possibility of walk through; train whistlestop going to Whistler; ferry stop at foot of 14th St)

D  Action Areas

Gateway Areas -- sense of arrival

make streets more comfortable

realignment of Argyle, closure; view sometimes block b/c of grade

E  Residential at Street Level

13th where Police Stn -- if relocated, may cd have this sort of environment

entrance to Ambl comm area more 14th St

F  Marine Drive

15 years ago we prohibited chairs outside on sidewalk -- now there and ppl compete for it, even in the most inclement weather!

curb extension, some have built into parking lots!

store frontages -- some areas b/c of orientation unfriendly and some a long bldg facade with no sense of scale somewhat intimidating for a pedestrian

second storey, a danger residential can outcompete commercial

v important to retain office; perhaps insist commercial on second floor [gave examples]

G  Storefront Guidelines

detailing is important for the pedestrian

design guidelines for what you're trying to accomplish

H  Clyde Avenue

not long ago Clyde Ave was to be closed off and pedestrian but biz didn't like that

been pressure from biz/industrial

now maybe to residential but don't want to lose uses there

for longterm health of Amb may be necessary

I  Bellevue

if waterfront on other side can be healthy, facing park (galleries)

area where fashions go, a successful street

a lot of traffic so has potential to draw in more

J  Action Area 6

Biz area can contribute to and benefits from waterfront

we own most of the houses (six, seven)

enhance themes

a reason to come down to Amb and meet

Heritage Area in 1700block of Argyle; has the oldest continuous inhabited house in lower mainland

acquisition in 1400 block without necessarily acquiring the homes

had some discussions with some of the residents

looking at improving functionality of boatramp so less disturbance of waterfront area hence more walkers

ferry terminal?

Ambleside Park area being studied by Parks Dept -- ongong now

K  Streetscape Ambience 14th & Marine

current conditions, vacated Esso site -- a little sad

what wd happen if we changed the scale -- the white bldg is four storeys, beef up landscaping

maintain village atmosphere

difference in quality

L  Streetscape Ambience 13th & Marine

no sense of arrival or excitement so looking at introducing three- to four-storey so notice commercial coming

view -- trees

Sop: overall good

Area 6 is that in Ambleside Waterfront Core Review

SJN: not in this review

Sop: discussion re purchase

SJN: current policy but consider other

Sop: ferry link at 14th why?

50 years to get open parkland and then a ferry terminal! traffic flow, parking

shd it be in this?

SJN: excellent question b/c TransLink has concluded the biz doesn't make sense right now for Amb/Bowen.  We're going to look at that with them.  Park and Ride.  Do WV ppl want to go over or from there want to come over here.  A non-parking option, vessel not decided but not like SeaBus or Horseshoe Bay

Sop: secondary issue, market dictates; how do you maintain small biz when most owners want to maximize?

SJN: any number of motivations to own prop in Amb

always be bldgs not being devpd.

desirable to have incentive for them to devt, also means of renovating existing bldgs (maybe relaxing parking with a contribution to a parking fund)

KFC site with stream under, a site landlocked

GH: Steve has hit on a key point.  Not all owners have same motivation

longterm owners may not want to sell -- tax implications

fragmented ownership

suggest many props will stay out of the equation and for some time

holdovers hold others over too

tends to be always some type of mix

SJN: one of the things I believe is necessary: critical that we maintain the anchors in Amb: Food Store, Drug Store, maybe also West Van Florist

rebldg of the food store will maintain Dundarave

Sop: wd median 11th to 13th follow through to 19th or 24th?

are you going to produce a parking and traffic assessment through entire area?

and if so, shd it not go to EAC as well?

SJN: .......

median depends on width of road -- very wide in Dundarave (not in Amb)

15 years ago there was a median at 13th -- put in and taken out at request of certain biz people

room for median at 19th St, been discussed at Library Board

be great if it cd extent to civic area

Sop: thank you; job well done

JC: dear to me

Amb not dying, but some health problems, needs maintenance

wholeheartedly accept mixed-use; much healthier and safer environment; people throughout day, 24-hour period

curious how you see a BIA being set up

this issue came to Ccl two years ago and was deferred for two months, not two years

how wd we plan, stimulate redevt, or just refurbishing those landowners?

SJN: have been meeting with some of the merchants

fortunate to have Stephen Mikicich join us and he was in biz revit in private biz before joining us

Also, Frances [new staff mbr]

they can be quite active

can do your work for you, best points spending money

intend to spend some money on upkeep this summer, works programs, parks

meeting with ppl right now

will be a fairly large and intensive program

wd like to put staff on it now, for 2005

JC: and congratulations to Ms Parsons and her work

JF: excited about it too; doesn't involve blasting and bulldozing, evolutionary

you're going to advise it to adv bodies, PAC wrt land use

you started with comparison with other areas, interesting, no major surprises

when you refer it to PAC, will also wrt radius

increased population to maintain viability of area

SJN: you're not suggesting a Transition Zone?

JF: these blinding lights going off in my head, woowoo!

SJN: Amb area cd use a more compact form

Amb depends now on ppl coming from outside the cmnty

I know debate will go on eg, why remove some of the commercial

continued use of mixed use bldgs in commercial areas

except for problems with noise and smell, they love living in them

those figs were meant to give snapshots

JF: like proposal and how they'll fit with Arts & Culture

how will this fit with the housing dialogue? dovetail?

SJN: joined; how we see ourselves as a cmnty

info, research for Housing Dialogue,valuable for Amb Biz area

what type of cmnty we see ourselves

JF: at some point to the CSAC -- they have a broad range of social responsibilities

SJN: hadn't thought of them, about that; this is at an early stage and might be time to refer it

if forwarded, they come

JF: I was anticipating request

MMgr: Cclr Clark mentioned that work started on this two years ago

as part of the consultation process, we don't want an endless

staff's opinion start with something

ought to put a framework; not going back to the drawing board; let's start working on it this year

it will be evolutionary

whether bldg guidelines, let's move this along

JC: exactly why I posed the question, not sitting on our hands

certainly hope the MMgr not sensitive

G-J: your slide has "discussion paper"?

SJN: elaboration, demographics, bullets expanded; far more information, not different

 will be distributing that to Ccl

will probably have suggestions

not just look at regulations but here's what we suggest

G-J: part of initial info

SJN: will distribute to Ccl

G-J: excellent, second time Ccl's heard it; don't see it at stage of making recommendaitons

still think there's a bit of a gap between what recommending, things implied

eg visitor strategy, tourism

Ccl hasn't been jumping all over

but with 2010

important to be clear what balance we want to strike esp wrt waterfront

obviously we need more housing for empty nesters

Marine Dr probably right place for that, but we shd say that

afraid attacked fixed in stone or a missed opportunity

G-J: eg Safeway is anchor, essential but is underused

SJN: I believe ppl will think it's quite specific

increasing sidewalks, widths

three-, four-storey

links, all in proposals

G-J: Ccl can identify some gaps, eg acquiring houses on waterfront

and, cd you print this a bit bigger?

sidewalks don't connect uses, uses connect uses

SJN: sometimes reduce to bullet

not going to go out with different concepts from what you saw tonight

G-J: helpful to have in short form, Arts and Culture Strategy

RD: we tend to emphasize Amb needs planning and I agree but wd like to say we've made remarkable progress over last 20 years

as Mr Stuart points out cdn't sit outside

tripled size of Lawson Park

only controversial is going above four storeys

better utilize under-utilized sites; providing more housing for seniors and others

in Europe quite common five storeys; not much more than we have now wch is two, but three with merit

better more lively streetscapes, things we've pushed in past

again, v good report

two years isn't bad, takes a while for a good report

VD: amassing info; what makes a successful street

keep my remarks to action plan and what it is

at the end of day, surprised someone who owns real estate, whether Amb or not, doesn't...

don't know anyone not interested in making a profit

these plans show ...profitable devt

parking

without the lure of profit, not succeeded

some people feel by putting down red brick, is shortsighted

the owners have to make a profit; we need new retail stores

some bldgs in Amb lack those facilities

great start and look forward to seeing it when it comes back

over past 20 years got waterfront achieved a lot but lost cinema, a massive loss -- to an ofc bldg nobody needed

G-J: don't really understand point two

don't understand 'strategy' yet

SJN:--

G-J: so to follow

Mayor: add my thanks

Sop:  14th to 18th, leading to Bellevue -- encourage bldgs to do that?

reason I ask is that with this main MDr corridor, there's a strong tie-in with what happens on waterfront

there'll be a strategy coming re our shoreline, waterfront

bigger than we first looked at b/c these reviews coming in

south of the tracks might have to be filled in

going to play a role, in describing this area

Arts & Culture precinct

SJN: each will play a role; will try to make sure they don't contradict each other

try to make sure all integrated and make best use of opportunities and I expect Ccl will debate one with another as they come.

MOTION TO RECEIVE PASSED

MOTION re FORWARDING

2 Public consultations

owners and tenants

residents of immediate and

such as Chamber of Commerce

JF: evolutionary, not bulldozing

minor amendment 1b, but also CSAC as well

RD: maybe also the Heritage Cmte

Mayor: worried about watering down

MMgr: referring to Steve

if we refer it to all, you will not get a reply before June

JC: withdraw CSAC?

JF: if you think it advisable

RD: but at some point

heritage is not just bldgs

not as strange as you think

start with Planning and Design and then come back

SJN: it's the act of referral

made available to public

mbrs as public wd see

different implication

Sop: withdraw EAC too?

Mayor: concise contained, limit to two

[three]

SJN: notice the difference

design guidelines

for information purposes only, not asking for comments

G-J: that's the point I was going to make

information -- can do what they like with that

everyone can comment

but for us, that Planning piece first

VD: very openended; no timescale; wd like to propose a third motion, put time, ie by June 1st

let's get something back by a certain date and decide what we want to do

SJN: we expect mtgs, timetable by end of April and can report back to Ccl by June 1st

VD: action plan by June 1st for Ccl and their approval

MMgr: understand Cclr Durman's intention

what if feedback to kill it? action plan?

VD: then action plan wd be to kill it

JF: or modify it

VD: so let's get something done, bring forward a report, public,

let's get to it

I've listened to whole of Ccl, let's get to it

easy to like this fluff

Calls for QUESTION

Mayor: want to hear from MMgr

MMgr: we'd likely come back with an action plan with recommendations

this is the feedback we got back

these are the next steps

9:12

RB: signage, mapping; application by Apr 25

Cclr Day plus MMgr sit on the cmte

MMgr: from a staff perspective, focus on tsunami a bit extreme so if we can integrate other information, eg flood rather than focusing just on tsunami risks in WV; providing we have some flexibility

RD: Judy Sydor, our Director is actually in Thailand; she's there seeing aid and food being distributed

Mr Dean Tyler, an organic [landscaping advocate]

get house chosen

G-J: really fantastic; took an article to NV Ccl when I was there ten years ago from Utne Reader, and they turfed me, that idea right out so gratifying back

really helpful, tough next step

DT: plants that don't require water after root themselves, indigenous

robust and healthy, resist weeds and attract wildlife

MMgr: I have a slope I can't grow anything on!

Geri Boyle, Cmnty Planning Mgr:  We do have it in file

debating if Ccl wanted to receive copy

Mayor: it's in the file

JF: very successful WinterSong concert at Kay Meek Centre last night

great comments from Mayor

audience participation

great, great evening

spirit very uplifted

at one point asked to stand up to sing O Canada and not like Canadians

apparent we hadn't been to a hockey game all year

VD: I asked staff to bring forth [motion re TransLink]

the $13m [tax windfall]

this Ccl passed a resoln to ask TransLink Bd to give back our share (other Ms did too, particularly three NSh Ms)

I asked for a report

an invitation to Chair of TransLink, maybe sponsored by all three Ms; why not return windfall gain

also want report

request prov and GVRD Bd to have an independent review of TransLink

only prov can change BD

cmte on governance has only reported once; three governors redistributed so we on NSh can have two (instead of one)

The GVRD Bd is unable to order that Bd to refund it ($13m)

TransLink has been able to retain this $13m -- say they didn't get parking tax

we'll all remember George Puil said in this Hall that real estate taxes wd not be used and TransLink has gained $13m b/c assessments have increased.

come forth with that next Monday

G-J: since Cclr Clark cdn't come last night, want to pass on thanks to the Arts & Culture Cmte -- no talent compared with us

judicial last week

thanks also to MMgr and Steve Jenkins at court

proud of work they did

JC: reason I cd not attend last night was a young lady's 13th birthday

chair of NSh Disability;

WV well-represented on that cmte

Sop: on your behalf attended Sea-to-Sky Mayors and Cclrs

issues about traffic and accidents Howe Sound corridor

as corridor grows, the prov govt's going to have to look at increasing the number of RCMP in that area

as to cross-boundary issues, may have to open up, go to GVRD Bd wrt needs re emergency response

another mtg shortly

presentation to three Ms, from ICBC, Mr Barth you'll be interested, app of initiative

JF: talented ppl in our cmnty

MClk and Deputy, for third year, run a workshop for cclrs, staff, adv cmte mbrs

Facilitator Eli Mina

how to make mtgs run

volunteers gave up four hours Friday morning

informal feedback I got back, a very worthwhile morning

wish more of their cmtes had time / were able to attend

maybe in future alternate and one year have one in the evening

9:45

8.1       Correspondence [listed in previous enewsletter]

Sop: re 8.1.18  Crone -- he lives that bldg has not been metered

JC: 8.1.13 West Royal; right turn limitation

JC: we force traffic to use Park Royal's private land and roads

don't think that's right

poor planning

Mayor:  Ms Reynolds, you have a question or comment?

VD near his mike: Remember she's a member of the media

CR: Good evening.  I hope you had a great holiday.

Mayor: it was great.

Reality is difficult

CR: It always is -- but it has its good days too

One of the good days is coming up.

but before I ask about that, I do want to echo two comments made earlier

Mayor: look forward to it

CR: oh, it's incredible!

And the other thing, about the Ambleside review we had earlier, the excellent review that we had that Mr Nicholls and staff presented wch was very interesting, I wd like to add something to that, and support Cclr Ferguson in that, um, I understood that the report was going to some of these adv cmtes not for comment, and precisely b/c it wd slow things up, however I do think, that perhaps it cd go to them as an item of information, so that's why I agreed, b/c the social aspects of that devt are worthy of consideration too, just as the planning and land use -- but I agree with Mr Nicholls who said it's not for comment, but I think out of courtesy it cd be sent to CSAC and HAC.

I've been madly putting together, organizing these things, and had great help.  I want to thank the District, specifically Cclr Day who is the heritage liaison, who was a great help, and in particular staff members Stephen Mikicich and Donna Nomura, so it was in Tidings

The District has made flyers.  They're throughout the cmnty.  There are displays and exhibits throughout the cmnty's biz areas.

The Hodgson House -- I don't know if Cclr Day wants to talk about some of these things before I sum up, or, did you want to remark about some of these things?

[looks toward Cclr Day who expresses no desire to do so]

The Hodgson House is going to be discussed on Wednesday, but the two highlights are the heritage awards on Saturday at 2 o'clock, and I'm sure you'll be there,--

Mayor: Cclr Day is actually representing me b/c I'm out of town

CR: oh, oh, I'm sorry to hear that -- but we're glad to have Cclr Day -- that's too bad

I look forward to everybody having a great time.

The Lifeboat Society will be there.  The Fire Dept will be there.  They're going to have antique fire apparatus they said, so I said yes, but I will add to the fact that we'll have very modern firemen!

[Mayor's laughter also]

So thank you very much.  I hope you all enjoy the week and come to the awards and to the Heritage Fayre, Sunday from 2 to 6 at Park Royal North

Thank you very much

                A Supplemental Information Package/Agenda May be Issued on Friday

3.1       Council Meeting Minutes, February 14, 2005

4.         DELEGATIONS

4.1       K. Erdman and A. Jaret, West Vancouver Family Place Society, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

4.2       J. Lindsay, D. Konasewich and N. Ferri, West Vancouver Residents, regarding Noise Control Bylaw relative to Sea-to-Sky Highway Upgrades in vicinity of Ansell and Bedora Place

5.         REPORTS

RECOMMENDED THAT

1.         Council Endorse the Draft Terms of Reference for the North Shore Transportation Advisory Committee (Attachment A) to be finalized by the Committee at its first meeting; and

2.         Appoint two members of Council to this Committee.

5.4       Business Licence Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004 - Odour & Noise Control

RECOMMENDED THAT

2.         Business Licence Bylaw No. 3024, 1982, Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004 be amended as per changes reflected within the report from the Manager of Bylaw & [Licensing] Services dated February 17, 2005, without additional public notice;

3.         The amended Administrative Policy pertaining to Bylaw Enforcement of Odour/Noise Contraventions under s. 524 of Business Licence Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004, be received;

4.         Council petition the Honourable Murray Coell Minister of Community, Aboriginal and Women's Services requesting amendments to Provincial building standard regulations to clarify standards around ventilation, air-condition and other mechanical equipment dealing with the prevention of odours and noise in mixed use commercial and residential areas;

5.         Staff begin development of a revised policy and Development Permit design guidelines for commercial areas that would require commercial and residential ventilation to be located and controlled in a manner which minimizes or eliminates the potential for disturbance either by noise or odour of residential uses and explore what interim steps can be taken to ensure that the potential for disturbance either by noise or odour are identified and addressed.

6.         REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS

7.1.1         Committee and Board Meeting Minutes

(a)             Engineering Advisory Committee, October 19, 2004

7.1.2         J. Maynard, Manager, Child Care Resource Program, North Shore Community Resources, regarding West Vancouver Family Place Society

7.1.3         M. J. Williams, Director, Sunset Point Ratepayers Association, February 13, 2005, regarding Lawrence Way left turn lane issue

7.1.4         Y. Parkinson, February 14, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

7.1.5         C. Kimberley, February 09, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

7.1.6         A. M. Grant, President, North Shore Cruisers Summer Aquatics Club, February 10, 2005, regarding support for the Port Moody Youth Sports Tax Credit Resolution (File:  0178-01)

7.1.7         D. Johnson, Education/Commercial Coordinator, Fraser Valley Real Estate Board, February 08, 2005, regarding Commercial Spring Forum (File:  0055-01)

7.1.8         J. Foy, National Campaign Coordinator, Western Canada Wilderness Committee, regarding Western Canada Wilderness Committee's education report (File:  0055-01)

                  Attachments available for viewing in the Clerk's Department.

7.1.9         E. Thomas, February 14, 2005, regarding Millennium Properties and Evelyn Drive

7.1.10       Ten (10) form letters, dated as indicated, regarding Amendment to Business Licence Bylaw - Odours/Noise (Business Licence Bylaw No. 3024, 1982, Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004

7.1.11       J. Robbins, February 14, 2005, regarding invitation to TransLink urban transportation forum

                  Previously distributed due to timing of event.

7.1.12       K. Vance, Senior Policy Analyst and J. Wright, Policy Analyst, February 11, 2005 regarding Environment Conference:  Integrated Environmental Management (File:  0055-20-UBCM1)

                  Previously distributed due to timing of event.

7.1.13       L. Reimer, February 09, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

7.1.14       U. Dosanjh, Minister of Health, February 16, 2005, regarding standards for helmets for sporting activities and the use of small-wheeled vehicles

7.1.15       D. McCallum, Chair, TransLink, February 17, 2005 regarding TransLink Board Decision on Property Tax (File:  0185-39-06)

7.1.16       V. Abramson, February 15, 2005, regarding Almondel Road Bridge (File:  1785-07)

                  Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

7.1.17       J. Jamiesion, February 16, 2005, regarding Starbuck's application for business at 2416 Marine Drive

          Referred to Director of Planning, Lands & Permits for consideration and response.

7.1.18       E. James, February 17, 2005, regarding mountain biking on trails in the community

                  Referred to Director of Parks and Community Services for consideration and response.

7.1.19       J. MacCarthy, President, Coho Society of the North Shore, February 16, 2005, regarding delegation request from the Coho Society of the North Shore

                  Referred to the Municipal Clerk for response confirming scheduling of the delegation for the March 07, 2005 meeting.

7.1.20       E. James, December 13, 2004, regarding traffic volume, road maintenance and safety                   Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation and Chief Constable for consideration and response.

8.         PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

9.         ADJOURNMENT

***  SATURDAY FEB 26th GLH at 2pm  ***   DWV HERITAGE AWARDS at the Museum!  ***

AWARD WINNERS:  Katherine Steig, Tom Taylor, Peter Hall, and the Lighthouse Park Preservation Society.

where many volunteer and cmnty groups are eager to tell you about what they do and how they contribute to our cmnty life -- North Shore Lifeboat Society, WV Historical Society, ......  Plans are afoot for some entertainment or activities there too!

--->Top off the week with a free snowshoe trek and BBQ up Cypress Sunday 3:30!  (Pray for snow and reserve 922 0825 x780)

Ambleside has a video of the making of the Lions' Gate Bridge while Dina's Hair Vogue has the book;  engineering drawings of the bridge at Red Horses in Dundarave;  photos at Caulfeild Gallery in the Caulfeild Village.......  Selected restaurants (Beach House, Chez Michel, Red Lion, Salmon House on the Hill) are participating too....  See flyer and website for details.

And now for something completely different--

                Celebrate spring and watch the birth and flight of a hummingbird:

 +++++  QUOTATION  +++++

You have not converted a man because you have silenced him.

                        -- John Morley, statesman and writer (1838-1923)