CONGRATULATIONS to Rob Feenie, our very own Iron Chef!  and internationally recognized.  Vancouver is so fortunate to have so many talented people -- and Lumiere is one of the bright lights (pls forgive the word play).

CONDOLENCES at the shocking loss of four RCMP officers in Alberta, the most since 1885.  Reminds us of the sacrifice the police make and the gratitude and respect owed them for our safety and peace.

=  As you know, DWV prepares Tidings published Sundays in NSNews.  It's emailed on Friday.  FYI, pleased to learn any citizen who wishes to receive it (in pdf), may make a request to Donna Nomura, Communications Coordinator, in writing <dnomura@westvancouver.ca>.  WVM applauds this step forward to improving communication, and hopes DWV will follow suit with other publications and notices (such as cmte mtg agendas!) the public express interest in.

= Editor's Note: Draft transcripts are typed while mtg in progress and after ebroadcast I realized a typo -- an earlier reference ought to have been to the pH factor.  PH usually stands for Public Hearing.

=   BTW, last week it was heartening to hear a mbr of an adv cmte say there wasn't enough in cmnty benefits for a project (was Evelyn Dr).  Good news.  More encouraging was the applicant's rep refer to UPLIFT, a term hitherto apparently kryptonite to Ccl and Planning.  So now we have proof it exists and it's finally been introduced into the process by someone other than me!  Surprise to hear $500K to Kay Meek Centre mentioned as a cmnty benefit.  Don't necessarily disagree but where'd this come from? staff?   SJN commented that no longer do staff negotiate the cmnty benefits, Ccl now wants to do it themselves.  Let's draw up a wish list for them!!!

=   Interesting to hear Cclr Day at CSAC say in his 40 years as an SFU prof that the students seem to be getting better.  Makes one more hopeful for the future.

=   At one adv cmte mtg, it was stated that skateboarding is losing popularity and mountain biking is increasing.

=   Also heard that a group active in municipal politics is having a mtg March 10th at the Srs' Centre so we'll get the first set of political speeches from Council itself in this election year.......

=   In calendar section below, you'll see the Mayor will be interviewed on Sunday -- tune in!

Disgruntled residents have told me there'll be no badminton in the new cmnty centre (where they've played for 30 years).  Readers will know I've been asking for open houses/publicinfomtgs/whatever for over a year.  Still puzzled that the Aquatic Centre had them and three options for public input (and it was well under $10m) whereas pitifully little on new Cmnty Centre estimated at $13.5m in 2000 Project Plan and undoubtedly more now.  On top of that VD says the Select Cmte will only recommend ONE design to Ccl.   Is he saying take it or leave it?  Let's see what happens Monday night!

+  DELEGATIONS: Lions' Gate Hospice Society; Coho Society of the North Shore

+  REPORTS:             = DWV Environmental Strategy

                = DVP (8540 Citrus Wynd) for Apr 4 mtg

                = Youth Advisory Committee (YAC) 2005 Workplan

                = Inflow & Infiltration Reduction Project (to be provided in Supplemental Agenda)

+  CORRESPONDENCE -- Minutes: BofVariance; PAC, LibBd, Police Bd; Evelyn Drive; Family Place; UBCM Environment Conference; Sea-to-Sky Highway Dispute; International Olympic Committee Luncheon; Starbuck's at 2416 Marine; 2005 Municipal Marketplace; 2168 Marine; Odour and Noise Control; Farmer's Market in Dundarave Village; 4202 Rockridge Road

= TUESDAY, 1st =

~ 4:30pm ~ EAC, and it's EVELYN DRIVE again -- and Alleluia/Hallelujah, agenda already posted by Monday night!

~ 7pm ~  CSAC -- Cmnty Grants, YAC Presentation; Youth Strategy -- and its agenda was also already posted

= WEDNESDAY, 2nd =

~ 6pm ~ PEAC HAS BEEN RESCHEDULED to Mar 9th

= SATURDAY, 5th =

~ 1pm ~ Lighthouse Park Preservation Society talk at Seniors' Centre (audiovisual room) by Dr Tom Reimchen, a professor of biology at the U of Victoria regarding the intimate link between bears, salmon, and old-growth forests.

= SUNDAY, 5th =

~ 12:30 ~ Mayor Wood interviewed on Shaw (Ch 4), repeated at 4:30pm

= WEDNESDAY, 9th =

~ 6pm ~ PEAC (rescheduled from Mar 2nd)

= THURSDAY, 10th =

~ 7pm ~ WVCGG invites Ccl to speak at SAC -- public mtg?

                        thus transcript typed during mtg on a best efforts basis

[Agenda amended to add letters]

Council Meeting Minutes, February 14, 2005 adopted

4.         DELEGATIONS

4.1       K. Erdman and A. Jaret, West Vancouver Family Place Society, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

KE: longtime volunteer and board mbr, others present

two things I'd like to accomplish: give you a bit of background and will urge you to build a vibrant family place for the families in WV

we're part of a network, an organization -- 300 in province, been working with the M since 1988

We serve a wide range -- children and adults, ev child comes with an adult

attract a wide multicultural

dev a sense of cmnty and bond

benefit of early child devt

prevention programs

four mornings a week and still turning ppl away

having functional space is a nec component

very pleased Dir/Parks Kevin Pike has given our president the commitment that our programs are going to be able to continue in the cabin in Ambleside during construction period of new cmnty centre, very pleased about that

as far as cmnty centre goes, we identified with staff an ideal space, board feels strongly benefit in that location (successful in Parkgate in NV)

Synergies: why we think we belong in the new cmnty centre

efficiency in shared facilities (eg kitchen and laundry), gateway program

introduction to cmnty, learn of other programs in the cmnty

cmnty partnering, working with Health

working on small budget, $37K, mostly from prov, $2500 from M

depend on M funding to get rest, critical

nonprofit society

capable of getting some outside funding for the cmnty centre

"incorporating WV Family Place within the current vision fort the new cc is a long term holistic vision that will build on the overall urban plan for a vibrant cmnty, healthy families, and successful cmnty collaboration"

start on creating a full service family resource for WV

[Comments from participants]

A Jaret: ...started family late...FP great help...keep it...sad loss

KE: ask for your commitment

Mayor: in terms of the use of the facility you're currently in, in the summertime how do you share that?

KE: we don't, we move out

Mayor: consider doing that

KE; we will over the next two years

Sop: other FPs on the north shore?

KE: yes one run by Nbrhd House in NV, also Parkgate as mentioned; West Coast Energy Centre in one of the schools, run by grants and donations

Sop: parent and child can drop in?

KE: not a daycare; really aiming at supporting the parents

bring in guests on infant devt, different health ppl, people learn by modelling; really there to support the adults as caregivers so when they go home more capable

Alana has met friends who meet outside FP

Sop: have you considered a model, pay rent?

have you considered tri-M approach? look at grant system then build a biz case if taking space from us; build in rent

KE: if grants, we cd pay rent but we do need support from M

Sop: you have that support

KE: other centres are receiving that; Parkgate is running programs all day long

JF: how do you communicate your services?

Ans: Leisure Guide, brochures, advertising in NSN and Outlook we can get free

booth at Cmnty Day

RD: don't know you want to publicise it too much --  when I was there it was jammed

Ans: that's the problem, small, cd be more efficient

RD: think you're providing a useful service

tremendous need for young mothers, young fathers too,

Lady: may I say old mothers too!

RD: and grandparents

JC: how many mbrs?

Ans: at last AGM 100

JC: mbrship fee?

Ans: no mbrship fee

JC: you have some prices here

Ans: that's a drop-in fee

when we started we were a free service entirely

didn't want any barriers

decided to have contributions, tried to find balance and wd not discourage anyone (referred by Social Services, don't want to embarrass them)

JC: $9500?

Ans: need something for gaming so put that figure in as 'in kind'

G-J: you provide a good service to cmnty

not sure what the issue is; we all agree, what's the gap?

Ans: space issues since last summer

we've been operating somewhat under the radar as far as cost to M, a space not used so very little cost so hasn't had to come to Ccl for any financial approval

now if we move to new Cmnty Centre funds will be needed, beyond staff to decide that

Ccl to decide

we're doing the best we can and expanding as best we can with a lot of volunteers

so we're not like Health that can come up with funds for sq footage

sort of feeling we're an outside group

Sop: have you looked at other models

Ans; as second choice we might look at another space, maybe School Bd, but can't aff

Sop: ev a volunteer?

Ans: no, we have paid staff

VD: all appreciate the cause and issues you bring to us

as chair of the cmte trying to build the cmnty centre, totally surprised by this process

I'm surprised anyone wd say no place

staff has been working very hard trying to find space for all the groups; moving out for 18mos to two years

until we find how to fit everyone, all groups will have to accommodate each other

get them to cuddle up

difficult for staff; don't have enough room, can't commit

still trying to negotiate with church halls, Klee Wyck, Gleneagles

until plan laid out

when we get there we can tell people, you're going to go to x, y, z

that may be where the trouble is -- you've been pushing to get space beyond June 1st and staff not yet able to do it until we get completed plan

this is how we can fit people in

may be three or four or five days a week; depends on scheduling

Ans: you see why we're here; as non-profit we have to work now; we have to get our funds for next fall for new Board of Directors

we have to keep our progs happening

there's a fragility to our organization and structure; been working with staff; frustrating to all concerned

[Sop made motion]

G-J: follow-up motion for staff to work with FP to provide a place in the new cmnty centre

wd help us to understand how we can work to strengthen our commitment the Family Place

do understand your position, we don't want to lose

wd like to direct staff

VD: nobody is suggesting we're going to lose Family Place

no one will get committed space

just recognizing not everyone will get space

we can't build a place big enough

trying to have flexible space; use facility on a basis as scheduled

they want space, love to have them, but nobody is going to have a name over the place saying theirs and no one else is going to use them

space is going to be used by three or four diff groups

we've got enough for people to use space 24 hours

this is a cmte making a decision, most flexible

the motion suggests putting FP into; we'd say FP has every right to apply to use space

they cd apply like anybody else, to MWF and see

first we haven't built it or programmed it

we shdn't prejudge who can be in or out

in the meantime, they have a letter from staff not provided to anybody else about some space

won't open for a year or two

nobody is trying to put them out

want to encourage them but at the end of the day there's a space and money problem in this cmnty

until that time

no actual space for anybody but we're going to be super-flexible

JF: problem with this motion though I support FP

do everything to make sure remains but whether in M facilities or moves to Sch Bd

wonderful service in cmnty

we have a long, long list of people who want assurances to be in Cmnty Cntre

not that we can't do it in long run but too early in process

ev is committed to the services FP supplies

JC: support JF/FP but [mike problems, rest inaudible]...

G-J: thrilled Rec Fac cmte will do all it can

issue getting into that discussion

there's a big diff between market rates $300 a month, enrolling in a rec prog for $90 a month, and $3 at a drop-in centre

it is often families that can't afford it and some who can

that's how you support the cmnty

I think there's merit in this motion

doesn't provide an answer

4.2       J. Lindsay, D. Konasewich and N. Ferri, West Vancouver Residents, regarding Noise Control Bylaw relative to Sea-to-Sky Highway Upgrades in vicinity of Ansell and Bedora Place

JL:live south of Sunset Marina

we've been subjected to noise violations, have to be exp to be believed

blasting,, jackhammers, [backup beepers,] etc

ev day, early hours

other areas affected too

notice received

not just blasting, machinery moves in

on Jan 26 till 2 or 3 in morning

went with nbr and said wd stay until resolved (blasting caps had been put in)

told we wd be arrested

mtg with contractor and told stakeholders in Sq involved

nbrs disturbed, hearing problems

Mayor: finish presentation first

DK: we have people sleep-deprived etc

need some independent overview of these issues

noise monitoring: when? who interprets results?

mtg of nbrhd with MOT and told them we'd need noise barriers when completed too; asked it be put in minutes

MOT said noise wdn't be a problem and didn't put it in minutes

Mr Lindsay has a crack in foundation; our houses rock when those blasts occur

blast not 300 or 400 metres, reach to 5 and 600 metres; and don't always go as planned

need ombudsman for monitoring by MOT

money for bonuses, money to protect eagles' nest

initially contractors supportive but under order for Ministry from 6am to 11pm no stop more than two minutes; only time cd stop for 20min was after 11 o'clock

got it changed to 8pm

when they came over to us and said they'd call the police and have us arrested, they said the Olympics and any delay wd not be tolerated

had heard it was about safety of hwy, not Olympics

need MOT, public consultation, consideration of us as residents, not just the eagles and their nest

Mayor: if it weren't so serious it wd be humorous

that's what it's like to deal with them; nothing different in the last few years

Sop: has the noise abated

Ans: end blasting at 8pm and move out equipment to 11pm

heard them at 3am, a bit further away

don't trust them

they're coming back, about 100 yards from my house

it's going to get worse, as they move south

it's almost as if we have no rights; it's despicable

Sop: Brent Dozzi [Engg staff] wrote to the Ministry as to their time of blasting, etc, over two weeks ago, have we received a reply?

EB, Dir/Engg: yes; in process of reviewing that

hours for blasting have been adjusted as a result as a mtg with the contractor however if that has not been monitored, [encourage residents to] bring it to our attention so we can speak to them

Sop: When Mr Lindsay came to me his nerves were wracked.....

is this what we're going to have to put up with

put up with blasting after midnight and cleanup

these are reasonable people and they need some sleep and haven't been getting it

he was at his wit's end when he came to see me, and that shdn't happen in this cmnty

EB: we'll continue to press the Ministry to address these considerations

I'd appreciate  being told of situation to contact them

MMgr: can also express our expectations that our bylaws will be adhered to

at that hour, it's the police and we'll advise them

unfortunately, the prov has passed legislation that municipal bylaws can be breached for special/large projects

Sop: ask cease and desist? we have no jurisdiction?

Sop: responsibility of govt and contractor; basic peace and enjoyment that our residents have the right to

have another one coming

Mayor: articulated frustration we've had over the years

VD: you said the timing was being controlled by decisions in Squamish and Whistler

Ans: we don't really know

reading correspondence says interested stakeholders and see Sq and Whistler, discussing with them

they're taking about two minutes for a road closure; makes no sense; can't do anything in two minutes

accept road closures during day; I've accepted road closures of two hours -- haven't like it but lived with it

VD: unfortunate this govt said they wd comply with M bylaws and have meaningful consultation with groups -- clearly not much meaningful -- but seems not to upset Sq/Wh timetable

may say, as Mayor pointed out, we've spent two or three years trying to deal with them over tunnel issue, and if you say you don't trust them, we learned that a long time ago

We shd as a council request that they not blast after our hours

request our Police turn up and close site down

let govt bring in legislation to close us down

Mayor: has been in place

VD: not actually

with election even less likely to

when do we allow blasting?

MMgr: we'll review our bylaws and inform them of our expectations

VD: clear, blasting into evening, the odd time, once a week at 8 or 9 o'clock okay, but to do it day after day is just wrong

if they want to override us, let them publicly do so

stop contractor; let his guys go to sleep as well

JF: have you been in contact with any of the other cmnties up the corridor similarly affected?

Ans: (eg Montizambert) some, had bad experiences

JF: but beyond WV, Lions Bay, etc, they will be too

if we can elicit their support, ask come to some reasonable alternative to get finished on time

any kind of support helpful, maybe even support from your MLA

Mayor: wherever he is

JC: believe we shd enforce bylaws

JL: important; mountains reflect sound so will be more

Mayor: so  "aint' seen nothin' yet", you're saying

VD: wd like to make motion that staff enforce bylaws on the contractors forthwith and inform police

go out and do it

MMgr: don't think we need to add stop them

JF: friendly amendment to convey info to other cmnties up corridor that will be affected

so their help solicited

VD: think that's a good idea

PASSED

5.         REPORTS

RECOMMENDED THAT

1.         Council Endorse the Draft Terms of Reference for the North Shore Transportation Advisory Committee (Attachment A) to be finalized by the Committee at its first meeting; and

2.         Appoint two members of Council to this Committee.

[EB gave background]

difficult to coordinate comments from all the Ms

this is being brought forward by other Councils at the same time

RD: the five Ms involved are DWV, CNV, DNV, Bowen Island, and Lions Bay.  Not sure why Sq not full members/participants instead of observers.

better we coordinate our efforts

G-J: q why not Sq voting mbrs; know scale

seems to me Sq wd be real allies in improved transportation

EB: in the end it was the feeling that if Ccl wanted them included as voting mbrs they wd say so in first mtg

G-J: fine to say wd hope so

PASSED

            Designated Presenter:  Director of Finance  (to be provided in Supplemental Agenda)

Mayor: question that it shd be deferred

MMgr: wrt ten-year, really felt we shd focus on five-year plan

wrt ten-year shd really give more time in view of number of projects

staff's view to bring in five-year, only item we're trying to nail down is Cmnty Centre

had one in 2000 and have adjusted it

meeting tomorrow; we're in fairly early stages of design

suggest to next week; will be opp for public to comment

EB: Mayor Sharp is our rep; increases will be much higher than anticipated

the notice of motion requests return funds

TransLink voted against it on 16th and voted to retain it in order to address urgent projects they wanted to proceed with currently unfunded and some other safety ones

previous ccl mtg discussed impact on WV

for example in all the documentation, they often refer to av assessed value as $309K, but in WV it's $893K so impact significant

issues also around governance, Mayor Sharp's motion given considerable support even though defeated

asked this be brought forward this evening

Mayor: didn't we discuss attempt to get a public mtg of the NSh Ccls rather than WV?

VD: think this to invite to a WV public mtg, don't know if other NSh want to do as well

MMgr: we can't really assume the other two Ms wd want to participate in such a forum, so just to WV

VD: particularly interested in what I read in NSNews, re GVRD ask for money back

re governance, GVRD have no ability to ask release back to taxpayers

so I'll make the motion that Ccl invite the TransLink Chair and CEO to attend a public mtg of Ccl and justify the retention of the $13.4m resulting from the higher than anticipated [funds from higher assessments], and the prov, GVRD, TransLink have an independent review, and that this report and motions be sent to all mbr Ms of the GVRD

When we look over the history of TransLink, our well-regarded cclr, Williams, put together an argument as to governance of TransLink

and that governance issue has been running through over the years

the idea that the whole of the NSh shd only have one director

series of operating companies, eg buses

TransLink, half board mbrs politicians

wonder why GVRD board as a policy-making org

then maybe ev M a fair chance

currently TransLink is so remote, divorced, from the voters that I wonder whether they care

remember they said they wdn't rely on real estate taxes

and if you read Mr McCallum's letter (TransLink Chair), speak of problems of varying taxes

gas

not what they said they wd do

real estate taxes firm steady

so clearly getting more toward the idea of utilizing that and that wasn't what they said they wd do

time we get a governance review and report from staff

G-J: I actually think it raises a question of confidence in the GVTA Bad

why wdn't GVRD lower downward to budget; commitment to take

the very least we can do

everybody knows real estate is a regressive tax; nothing to do with ability to pay or use

very serious

8:20

does not excuse them from public accountability

JF: just seems to me that GVRD made up of mayors and cclrs from across

not a single one of them wd undertake this

appalling no responsibility to taxpayers in general

Mayor: this is a windfall of at least some $13.4m beyond $17m

real travesty -- WV gets hit hardest and virtually no benefit

when RAV line built, benefit but in terms of direct benefit, pretty hard to find

some Ms not being hit quite as hard, and looking favourably toward NSh, nice little boost for TransLink

not terribly surprised by Mayor McCallum's letter; windfall for all and not giving it back

Sop: agree they've no intention of handing any back

any way we can politically put pressure on

VD: governance or taxation?

Sop: both

it's automatic, no need to come back

Sop: can we do anything when they come back

VD: they will come back, and if I'm Chair there'll be some spluttering

in favour of big Ms: Vanc, Bby, Surrey

WV only has one vote

but a lot of smaller Ms don't want to see this

Sop: guess when they come--

Several: IF

CARRIED

8:25

5.4       Business Licence Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004 - Odour & Noise Control

RECOMMENDED THAT

2.         Business Licence Bylaw No. 3024, 1982, Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004 be amended as per changes reflected within the report from the Manager of Bylaw & [Licensing] Services dated February 17, 2005, without additional public notice;

3.         The amended Administrative Policy pertaining to Bylaw Enforcement of Odour/Noise Contraventions under s. 524 of Business Licence Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004, be received;

4.         Council petition the Honourable Murray Coell Minister of Community, Aboriginal and Women's Services requesting amendments to Provincial building standard regulations to clarify standards around ventilation, air-condition and other mechanical equipment dealing with the prevention of odours and noise in mixed use commercial and residential areas;

5.         Staff begin development of a revised policy and Development Permit design guidelines for commercial areas that would require commercial and residential ventilation to be located and controlled in a manner which minimizes or eliminates the potential for disturbance either by noise or odour of residential uses and explore what interim steps can be taken to ensure that the potential for disturbance either by noise or odour are identified and addressed.

RB: hallmark of planning in WV integration of comm/residential; business revitalizes

taxes

WV responds to resident complaints with this bylaw

purpose re commercial nuisance is to amend the bylaw

also taken into consideration correspondence received

also recommending a submission to prov govt to provide for an enactment of standards wch wd allow for better enforcement

revise devt guidelines to minimize disturbances in mixed-use areas

some of the key points raised pertained to staff research other jurisdictions

have done so

in US, Wichita and Jefferson counties, in Wisconsin, Illinois; has been prevalent and in Europe

high urbanization has caused regulations to come about

in Japan, require take measures if affect environment of residents

mechanical as well as subjective measures we're proposing

scientific odour control mechanisms have been designed and installed as to waste management

consistent with Cmnty Charter and enforceable

VD: this will only apply to someone living above or adjoining comm premises?

pervasive? five or six days?

all the time? not just opening window

RB: policy guidelines that before staff wd look into a complaint, must receive written complaint from two or more

two bylaw officers must concur through inspections, likely to disturb

recurring over ten or more days

something we wd monitor and follow up on

MMgr: as we're received this; remind this is not an individual circumstance though there may be some in the audience who may

over the years we've had very few complaints and were able to work through solutions

our focus is on compliance rather than enforcement

appropriate manner before relying on enforcement

Sop: states 100 meters from source

no actual device that measures odours I understand except the nose

if several restaurants within 300 ft how can you tell wch is emitting?

RB: you've made the suggestion if more than one restaurant

that wd be on a site-specific basis

also have expanded the policy to have a panel, so not just a bylaw officer

site-specific, monitored

whatever we come up with and if we want to prosecute we must be able to prove in eyes of adjudicator or in a court of law

Sop: wrt necessary tools

future devt of mixed commercial

is there an ability for the prov govt to let us look at that

we have bylaws but amending; need their okay?

Mr Ali Bakhtiari [owner of Arian Restaurant]: I reside at 1490 Mathers

back here past few months, spending/wasting lots of money, know each other pretty well

going forward so we're not going to have these sorts of problems

in our shoes, we've invested money, we've put a restaurant together not even a year old and now have to change things.

all have budgets

haven't done anything illegal, got biz licence

in this case, tried to communicate with residents

didn't get any response

if noise issue, can get measurement

you're above decibel level -- inside or outside

45 decibel level at night

the noise from the street is 58 decibels (cars and buses going by)

noise not the major

we've done [sic] some changes since Friday and lower, been in contact with Mr Beauchamp; been making some progress

looking at the bylaw itself we've been waiting for for three months

look at other countries

at the end of the day, depending on somebody's nose

we don't need a bylaw; I've done a lot of research in Europe and Japan and it's for agriculture, not restaurants

don't know how we can do our biz based on this

bylaw is very subjective; this subjective is not going to stand

don't want to go this route

lot of questions still to be answered

don't know decision tonight, hope right one

Tighe [sp?] Martin:  My first ccl mtg, don't know protocol

Mayor: name and address

TM:  1695 Mathers

ask Ccl to partition this motion if possible, not 1 to 3 and carry through with 4 and 5

contains vague language; enjoyment yes

if you say a restaurant or biz will be running foul of this, if say a perceptible odour, there's no reasonable limit

I personally find traffic noise to be disturbing and wd disturb my enjoyment, comfort, and convenience

so I do not choose to live next to 15th, the hwy, or Taylor Way

to have a bylaw officer come by and agree the traffic and the noise of children playing is perceptible objectionable wd not be hard????

suggest road or park moved!

don't see why biz shd be treated any differently

grown up here; like to think WV reasonably sophisticated

to suggest no noise from biz, living in a biz area

civilized to feel empathy for people may have made a decision they've come to regret, foolish to protect

foolish to assume restaurants downstairs will always make sandwiches

hope Ccl will not undermine the OCP I think this cmnty generally support of; that's why I say partition and keep 4 and 5

Stuart Martin: lived at 2154 Bellevue Landing for 14 years strata

have also appeared before

owners of Bellevue Landing support this bylaw and the amendment

safe, pollution free for both home and biz owners

recent years sev mixed use bldgs in Amb and Dund

Ocean Walk and Dund Mews examples of resid and comm

coffee and sandwich shops can be successful additions

establishing a full restaurant however immediately brings concerns about noise, odours, and fires

application of M bylaws to make sure other biz not adversely affected

residential and commercial devt is a vital component in the future devt of Amb and Dudnd

brings in more taxes

prop values of a bldg can be greatly affected by noise, odours, fires

staff report valuable, how dealt with in other jursidictions

guidelines for devprs intending mixed-use bldgs

passing this amendment wd give nec tools as they have arisen in our location and may arise in others

owners of Bellevue Landing wholeheartedly support passing of bylaw

resident of WV since 1952

happy to answer any questions; other owners here willing to speak

Mayor: thank you very much

Ken Farquharson: resident of 1406 Marine Dr; co-chairman of the strata ccl where the Arian restaurant is located

have some experience of issues involved in this bylaw

our residents support wholeheartedly what Mr Martin has said

we've suffered don't want others to

ways to avoid this; have regulations and legislation on the table before people come

we had a coffee shop and it became a restaurant, sure will happen elsewhere, so it is a real one

see noise has been rolled in to the odour and can't see why

ways of measuring noise

see there is merit; wd hope you do nothing to dilute your present noise bylaw b/c that is backstop to give comfort

in the delegation, the man talked about sleep deprivation

lady behind me who has had sleep deprivation for eight months

I think that's a little too long

time for this M to live up to what it shd be doing and to enforce that noise control bylaw and bring some peace

Mayor: odour with noise does not dilute?

RB: no it does not

Ivan/Egan Andre [sp?]: born in Netherlands

finished university

Mayor: need to know where you live

Andre: in Bellevue Landing

finished as an architect in Netherlands

went to Germany and became member of prestigious Assn of German Building Masters

we've in apt 302 for eight years; lived in WV for 24 years

until last year when Mr Bakhtiari started operating restaurant last year, we really enjoyed living here

quiet, no smells; life is beautiful; since Arian this expression does not count any more

even Quiznos [written Quizno's sometimes], next door, not disturbed by noise and smells

my wife and I lived in this bldg for eight years, used to noise of street and passing of train

knowing at certain time it will stop (can't say for noise and smells from Arian restaurant)

but not from Arian restaurant -- at night and never know when fan will stop

wait for disappearance of noise and smells

but only for a short period of time

my life has arthritis and osteoporosis; under doctor's treatment

lately she has only been able to tell hours fan is running or shut down

inconvenient before giving up our apt

considering consulting with doctor to do whatever possible to alleviate

our physician has also expressed in writing to amend this bylaw

for this apt we pay $4,800 prop tax; paid for next to a food factory?

this is a food factory, know of no rest, constant basis, food during the night-time

do other restaurants run day and night in WV?

as far as I can see in our immediate nbrhd, the answer is no

problems my wife and I encountering living

general problem, to provide prevention of noise and excessive odours

one need only look across the bridge to Vancouver -- exists complete bylaw, therefore if one wants a permit to operate a restaurant in Vanc, he has to abide by the aforementioned bylaw and to receive a permit

why not catch up to the City of Vanc and change or amend our bylaw accordingly

give apts same rights as those enjoyed by people of Vancouver in such apts

value of our assets

to demonstrate how easy this is, look at how these rules/regulations are exercised in City of Vanc

Mr Martin, Mr Denis Meares (sp?) and I invited to Bravo restaurant at the food of Denman St adjacent to Bayshore and many, hundreds, apts

The Mr Ablab (sp??) showed us his kitchen and installation built for $21K

went to roof and have pictures

grease is burned in ultraviolet light

chutes, empty, throw in dishwasher

noise is reversed

[photos] the vents of Quiznos and oversized one from the Arian roof

no noise/odours emanating from Quiznos

from pictures, shows outside of vent of Arian's restaurant shows grease, cd be unburned; fire hazard

one thing I want to emphasize, the thought of having perhaps a fire hazard in the next bldg is a scary thought for the occupants of Bellevue Landing

shdn't exist; maintenance company

as an architect I wd recommend you get the Fire Dept involved and check on this

another thing that bothers my wife and me, in one of the most liberal-thinking countries, the Netherlands, the suggestion of racism by Mr Bakhtiari--

Mayor: I suggest you not

Ans: okay

intrusion on privacy affects assessment, destroys values, etc

I cannot believe that in a mixed comm/resid bldg one party downgrading the values of the other party

particularly by keeping its production costs as low as possible by not investing in preventative measures

in our case, instead of selling for 599

Mayor: appreciate where you're going

Ans: that's it

in order to change and prevent further problems, you have to have strong bylaws on noises and odours; they exist in Vancouver

G-J [made the above motions then said]:

this is important; establishes standards; distinction between private residences and biz, rather than street and trains

think staff totally committed to a consultative approach

not intended to be heavy-handed

increase in mixed use

generally accepted can be handled by design

looking forward to working productively with cmnty

time has allowed us some clarity on this

will be supporting the motion

JF: will also support and I did the first time around

Cmnty Charter allows us authority not had prior

OCP allows both res and comm to proceed; supports Ambleside Town Strategy now out for public

many change their lifestyles as they grow older

don't want to live in four-bedroom houses above the Upper Levels but down where they can walk to restaurants, shops, beach

look at Yaletown

changes in technology now that allow this to take place; exist in symbiotic relationship

people who live in those apts want to go to those restaurants

densification all around, in BC, North American, Europe, Japan

the real object is not to make it difficult for biz to exist in cmnty but be profitable

Sop: first time around I had questions about right wording in relation to what transpired with one biz

assuming this bylaw, looking back on Gd Nbr Bylaw took a quite some time and understand from MMgr only two complaints in a year, was talked about feeling outrageous nbr complaining about nbr forever more and that has not taken place

need to revise bylaws in building code for owners to respond to needs if biz had needs re odours/noise

common sense to look at future and prepare for it

also said to the people who spoke with passion re Ansell Place, that man was really beside himself, all deserve quiet enjoyment, saw the gentleman here, been some compliance

went to site and listened; ...other sites listened to other fans

now in position we've been through it enough, tool we need now and in future; reduce situation

JC: a few days ago trying to remember how far back this discussion actually went

a year and a half, prior to Arian restaurant, so to imply this is not aimed at any one restaurant, this precedes [Arian]

recall when Carmelo's installed pizza oven, problem right away with Bank of Montreal and the owner dealt with it right away in two days

also recall Jody's Catering complied with a complaint from apt dwelling behind within a week

Saltaire had a complaint and they increased the number of their garbage pickups so not overflowing

some restaurants wanted to know if had to retrofit, but don't have to if no problem

on Dec 6 when we had that last mtg, we received a letter from Cdn Fed of Indep Biz critical of this amendment without homework being done, also from the BC Ch of Comm, similarly critical, see from letter also clearly didn't understand

most disappointed with our own WV Ch of Commerce -- whose prez appeared here critical of bylaw and supportive of  Arian restaurant;  and just found out recently his own board did not support his appearance

Mayor: I believe that's dated--

JC:  well, dated Dec 6

heard from another restauranteur who supports this bylaw, has two restaurants

we've had hundreds of letters, personal appearances, I believe the residents and biz people are entitled to quiet enjoyment

also entitled to clear, clean, environment

think this is the right bylaw for the right reasons and support it fully

RD: I strongly voted for a deferral last time and think it's good we have more information, chance to think about it, better

I also hoped the two sides wd have got together and found ways to resolve their problems rather than recourse to legislation

talking to both sides, came to conclusion both so dug in not able to reach agreement on own so that leaves us with a bylaw

we have a noise bylaw but don't have an odour one so two can be put together

have been in the apts, and there's no doubt of noise and odour; feel it comes from a particular establishment

but need bylaw b/c provides means to investigate means to determine where from

somewhat reluctantly b/c I'd hoped no need to come to bylaw; don't see alternative

if the owner isn't producing that, if from other restaurants, no need for that owner to be concerned

bylaw, we can find out, determine, work to resolve problem

not going to go out and just enforce, seek compliance in a reasonable way

small biz in Ambleside, some not very profitable

can't imagine Amb and Dund without restaurants and coffeeshops, want to see them do well

that restaurant is a good one, I've been there

want biz to get along with nbrs and do well

we're redoing Ambleside; want residents and biz to get along well

this is a first step; in the long run all will prosper

if Ccl passes it hope it brings about compliance in as reasonable and scientific way as possible

I'm going to support the bylaw.....

VD: no problem with bylaw, takes out frivolous, people rushing out to complain

two people to complain, panel

has to be continuous, pervasive

can't think of anything worse than that next to my house 24 hours a day, any time continuous, even a nice smell

noise bylaws -- as someone mentioned, traffic Amb might even be higher at some points of day

at 2am, 3am, little traffic; let's face it at some point WV goes to sleep, then quiet and any noise, switching on and off, becomes infuriating

a good operator will hear a complaint, sort problem out, recognize, and wdn't want, to be annoying to nbrs.

with density have to be more considerate of nbrs, closer; have to be more considerate

hope this is a bylaw is never enforced, that never needs to be used

hope sensible solution not needed, but bylaw helps to get to a solution

PASSED THIRD READING

9:27

6.         REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS

VD: we all attended the Ch of Comm luncheon; discussed issues

great to meet groups as we'll be doing on Thursday as we'll be doing

Mayor: a week Thursday

VD: oh, wd have turned up wondering where ev was

Mayor: no rehearsal

VD: those types of mtgs, ask good questions, get solid info instead of rumour; useful

also attended GVRD bd mtg

VD: they want to get everyone paying and not able to do it yet

RD: Heritage Week last week two particularly successful events

Saturday at Archives, four outstanding award-winners

one Peter Hall, actively involved over many years in heritage and WVHS

Tom Taylor, recently published a book on WV during WW2, fascinating piece of work, active in Historical Society, single-handedly puts out newsletter History-onics, native WVite, teacher in WV; contributed in many ways

Katherine Steig, active in environmental and ecological orgs, active over years particularly protection of Cypress Ridge, Cypress Bowl, and Hollyburn Ridge, activities all over BC

finally Lighthouse Park Preservation Society for its many contributions, ecological planning in Park

many fine ppl there excellent award winners

Sunday afternoon had Heritage Fayre various cmnty groups had booths, able to present to public what they do in WV, contributions they make; not just environmental and heritage groups but others civic such as Rotary, Fire, and Police

again a very successful week

want to thank all those involved in planning, it always goes so well

Mayor: Thank you for filling in for me; I was away on family business

RD: such a pleasure

wd have been there anyway

[9:35]

JC: last week talked about what I've advocated for two years

right turns on green all day long to alleviate traffic

happy to say on Friday at 4 o'clock; thank you Mr Clark a sign went up and now can make the turn

on Thursday

mtg re taxi companies -- they've been pleading economic disadvantage

taxi driver wd have to take an 18-hr course,  pay $300; course re driving skills, handling people with disabilities, geog; claim they're losing drivers to elsewhere but seems Surrey, Richmond, City of Vancouver and YVR, considering so any taxi driver is required

so doesn't sound as N Sh; the other two ccl mbrs

they also had some criticism of Kay Meek -- no handicapped parking -- well it's a long way out in the parking lot; move closer

also went to luncheon with Ch of Comm last week, very enjoyable

9:38

7.1       Correspondence [complete list in previous issue]

7.1.3         M. J. Williams, Director, Sunset Point Ratepayers Association, February 13, 2005, regarding Lawrence Way left turn lane issue

...

7.1.13       L. Reimer, February 09, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

Sop: 7.1.3 Sunset Point

current MOTH plan is a four-lane with a bus stop on the north side

wd hv to cross

80kmph probably 90 when used to it

MOTH advised no traffic light

from Abbotsford to north of Lawrence Way no lefthand turn

fascinating can claim safety!!!

tunnel

solve simple problems

asking for problems here on the assumption of a four-lane hwy with a left turn

how's a pedestrian going to cross?

another winner by the Dept of Trans

have we had any communication Mr Barth re options

EB: at last ccl mtg discussed and we've had mtgs

had asked for copies of their analysis that justified the design they've got

asked about alternatives

setting up mtg to review that situation

Sop: is there any pressure we can apply for prov govt to listen to what we're saying?

are we totally at a loss?

MMgr: some safety issues

will continue to pursue them

call the tunnel an underpass  :-)

Mayor: a play on words

G-J: 7.1.15 about walking, that's a pretty walk used by many

hope can keep

EB: we are looking at that, whether there's an alternative; it is an old bridge; looking at what our options are.

9:43

Mr Charlie Merrick: 2276 Lawson Ave

lived in WV since July 1965

wanted some clarification about the distribution of the traffic fine revenues that the prov paid back to Ms

VSun in late Oct said BC govt will distribute more than $31m across BC to Ms for cmnty policing, crime prevention, and other safe streets initiatives

my reading from other comments, WV is to receive over $460K

in my very humble opinion, WV needs more police officers on the street

no presence now;

need police walking beats as they used to do, the "good ol' days"

I have seen three questionable types walking around 14th and Marine Dr

no question in my mind increasing problems, people coming over the bridge; going to get worse before better

perhaps one small corrective; get police on the streets

beat cops, I'd prefer foot patrols

Confusion starts in NSNews Sunday article wch strongly implies money will not be used for prevention /safety purposes as original guidelines

my understanding  just to general revenue for general purposes

the redistribution is intended for enhancing policing, eg intended adding three or four new police officers

Mayor: you've asked a lot of questions and it is a little confusing

in early Dec the police board learned of the additional revenue was received, funds received electronically no strings attached Oct 22

money was allocated to Police Bd revenue

we always receive about $150K, or about 15% every year last year

and it was declining; last year [does he mean time?] was about $152K

but last year $460K came in electronically for Police Bd budget

Police budget increased by 6.2% last year to about $8.7m

so Police fully funded

strategic planning cmte of Police b/c of lateness of arrival Police Bd looking at a plan to increase cmnty policing, whatever that is

attempting to determine other 12 Ms; looking at other Ms to see how applied

wd assume in case of City of Vanc, Police had a $5m deficit, will be applied to that deficit to get it down to $2.4m

likely been used in a variety of ways

will ask MMgr or Finance Dir to comment re some additional charges such as liability insurance for the Police; again, came as a surprise think represented about $411K

all very confused but let me assure you the money did not go into general revenue, went to Police Dept

Strategic Cmte/Police Bd is working on how to use that

question is, will we get another $460K in Oct 2005

don't know; go out and hire three or four beat cops and money doesn't come in next Nov, what do you do?  lay them off?

whole bunch of issues; appreciate your comments

the DWV has the third lowest crime rate in BC, after Oak Bay and Saanich

Ans: we all know various types from downtown eastside, have discovered how to get here

Mayor: read it too, take the Blue Bus

Ans: when all the machinations and acctg principles done -- does the police officer end up with more money or not?

in 2004 we approved additional staff at request of Police Dept

In the article, I tried to explain we are awaiting add'l info from the Police Dept wch Ccl will consider

at the time we received the money there was no request from Police to spend it

there have also been some accounting changes; will have to put add'l dollars for reserve for future liabilities

important put in context, historical perspective

good out of blue funds from govt, but no guarantee see them in future

in fact some talk if we don't spend then as they wish make not get it in future

a lot of issues to work out to get the best service we can afford

we have received info from Police Bd in terms of some general directions they want to go; know Ccl will meet with them and explore those suggestions

Ans: singing from same hymnbook, my concern revolves around if that money was received for a specific purpose, cmnty policing

and if somehow or other ending up in some acctg dilemma

in my simplified suggestion, why wasn't that money put into a trust account so everybody knows it's there, then the investigation can start as to how utilized

as the paper says, money was for policing and getting distinct impression rightly or wrongly disappearing into the night and cmnty policing may or not see any of it

MMgr: Nothing's disappearing into the night

reiterate we have increased police budget in response to requests from Police Dept

we also provide them with capital budgets every year

all of this well exceeds what prov has given us

in the article I said we don't tie these grants to budget

we give Police opp to say what do you need and Ccl has granted requests; sometimes staged it

not attempted to reduce Police Force or number of officers

in this case worked with the province, not tied it, except in general terms in speeches what to be used for

if you ask around the province the money is being used in a wide variety of ways/matters

look forward to working with Police Bd to work through this issue

Ans: appreciate that;  when the dust settles, I hope you get a few more on street/foot patrol.  It's going to get worse before it gets better.

Mayor: thank you for your comments.

                A Supplemental Information Package/Agenda May be Issued on Friday

3.         ADOPTION OF MINUTES

3.1       Council Meeting Minutes, February 21, 2005

4.         DELEGATIONS

4.1       W. P. Penny, President, Lions Gate Hospice Society, regarding Hospice Location on the North Shore

4.2       J. MacCarthy, President, Coho Society of the North Shore, regarding Coho Society of the North Shore

5.         REPORTS

RECOMMENDED:  THAT

1.         The Environmental Strategy be endorsed in principle;

2.         The Strategy be forwarded to Council's Planning, Parks and Environment and Engineering Advisory Committees for information; and

3.         The community be advised of the proposed Strategy through Tidings and the District webpage; and

4.         The Environmental Strategy be brought back to Council for consideration of approval on April 04, 2005.

            (to be provided in Supplemental Agenda)

            (to be provided in Supplemental Agenda)

5.4       Development Variance Permit No. 05-002 (8540 Citrus Wynd)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the Municipal Clerk give notice that Development Variance Permit Application No. 05-002 (8540 Citrus Wynd), which would provide for a new house with variances to highest building face, height, setbacks and in-law suite location will be considered at the meeting of Council on Monday, April 4, 2005.

5.5       Youth Advisory Committee (YAC) 2005 Workplan (File:  0115-20-YAC01)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT

 1.         The Youth Advisory Committee proposed work plan be received for information;

 2.         The General Council Committees Policy in Section 13.5 be amended with respect to the annual reporting period for the Youth Advisory Committee to read:

 "d)       excepting the Youth Advisory Committee which will submit its report and plan each year based on its term of October 1 to June 30."

            (to be provided in Supplemental Agenda

6.         BYLAWS

6.1       Business Licence Bylaw No. 3024, 1982 Amendment Bylaw No. 4403, 2004 - Odour and Noise Control  FOR ADOPTION

            This Bylaw received third reading at the February 28, 2005 Council Meeting

7.         REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS

8.         OTHER ITEMS

8.1       Correspondence

No Action Required (receipt only)

8.1.1         Committee and Board Meeting Minutes

(a)             Board of Variance Hearing Minutes, January 19, 2005

(b)             Planning Advisory Committee, January 26, 2005

(c)              West Vancouver Memorial Library Board, January 26, 2005

(d)             West Vancouver Police Board, January 27, 2005

8.1.2         G. Foster, February 19, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Project

8.1.3         C. Coles, February 21, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive

8.1.4         C. Lanuzel, February 19, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Project

8.1.5         M. Masterman, February 19, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Project

8.1.6         S. Malek, February 22, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Development traffic implications 8.1.7         P. Young, February 23, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Redevelopment Proposal

8.1.8         D. Maude, February 19, 2005 regarding Evelyn Drive Project

8.1.9         P. Falls, February 23, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Project

8.1.10       J. Ramsay, February 23, 2005, regarding Millennium Corporation and Evelyn Drive

8.1.11       J. Yap, February 21, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive

8.1.12       D. & S. McBurney, February 22, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Proposal from Millennium

8.1.13       T. Greenwood, February 23, 2005, regarding Millennium Development Proposals off Taylor Way/Park Royal North

8.1.14       M. & L. Millar, February 21, 2005, regarding Evelyn Drive Development

8.1.15       C. Court, February 21, 2005, regarding Family Place Drop In Centre

8.1.16       A. Parkinson, February 21, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

8.1.17       P. Kacir, February 22, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place (File:  0055?20?WVFP1)

8.1.18       K. Gale-Gotowiec, Family Centre Coordinator, John Braithwaite Community Centre, February 22, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place Society

8.1.19       D. Collister, February 2005, regarding West Vancouver Family Place

8.1.20       K. Vance, Senior Policy Analyst and J. Wright, Policy Analyst, Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM), February 21, 2005, regarding UBCM Environment Conference:  Registration Deadline

8.1.21       S. & J. Verver, February 24, 2005, regarding Sea-to-Sky Highway Dispute

8.1.22       H. & R. Peters, February 22, 2005, regarding International Olympic Committee Luncheon 8.1.23       J. Jamieson, President Strata LMS3972, February 21, 2005, regarding Starbucks Application at 2416 Marine Drive

8.1.24       R. Taylor, Executive Director, Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) regarding 2005 Municipal Marketplace

8.1.25       J. Gordon, September 22, 2004, regarding Proposed Office Building at 2168 Marine Drive

                  Correspondence was received after the Public Hearing closed in July 2004.  As the Zoning Bylaw Amendment was adopted in February 2005, the correspondence is now forwarded for receipt.

8.1.26       I. Tostenson, February 28, 2005, regarding Proposed Business Amendment Bylaw. No. 4403, 2004 - Odour and Noise Control

8.1.27       K. Farquharson, Co-Chairman, Strata LMS532, March 01, 2005, regarding Business Licence Bylaw Amendment to Include Noise and Odours

Action Required

8.1.28       C. Kurrusk, Dundarave Wine Cellar Ltd., February 21, 2005, regarding approval of Farmer's Market in Dundarave Village

                  Referred to Director of Parks and Community Services for consideration and response.

8.1.29       T. Peacock, February 19, 2005, regarding 4202 Rockridge Road

                  Referred to Director of Planning, Lands & Permits for consideration and response.

9.         PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

10.       ADJOURNMENT

Hope everyone enjoyed the various meetings, presentations, activities, events.

Car problems, delayed getting to Heritage Award ceremony, but did see the very deserving winners: Tom Taylor and Peter Hall (each having published a book on WV, and for their years of work with the WV Historical Society and the cmnty); Katherine Steig (years of environmental work, prominent in Friends of Cypress and LPPS); and the Lighthouse Park Preservation Society itself.

In the rush distracted and sorry I didn't get to thank the sweet white-haired lady who said she waited to see me on TV at the end of ccl mtgs b/c I asked questions she wanted answers to!  As they say, nothing improves hearing as much as praise.

As you know, the Beach House, Chez Michel, Red Lion, Salmon House on the Hill participated.  Happy to report that the Beach House will honour their special menu for a few more weeks.  It is not given out however, you must request it (and it's delicious!).  Chez Michel's vol-au-vents continue to be a success after 26 years; haven't had time to visit them yet but some visitors to Heritage Fayre raved about their dinner at Salmon House on the Hill; and Mario, transplanted from the Park Royal Hotel, is welcoming old friends and new at the Red Lion in Dundarave.

See the special menus at www.northshore.heritagebc.org/hw2005/menus.html

TREES: White Fir; Pacific Dogwood, Garry Oak, Mountain Hemlock

SHRUBS: Salal, Oregon Grape, Pacific Myrtle, Flowering Currant

GROUNDCOVERS: Bunchberry, Creeping Mahonia, Wild Ginger, Creeping Strawberry

PERENNIALS: Shooting Star, Trillium ovatum, Deer Fern, Twinflower

Number 10 (Downing Street), Golden Jubilee, Empress Afternoon, Blend 2000.

 

I used to think that the brain was the most wonderful organ in my body.  Then I realized who was telling me this.

                -- Emo Phillips, comedian, actor  (1956- )

Egotism is the anesthetic that dulls the pain of stupidity.

                -- Frank William Leahy, football coach (1908-1973)