The race is on.  They're at the starting gates, Ladies and Gentlemen!

This issue:

INFObits; Calendar to Nov 9th; WV Streamkeepers Info; Ccl Mtg Notes Oct 24th; Vote!; Election/Candidates, WVCGG, PWV; Quotations

=  Lions' Gate Bridge closed 11:30 to 4am Oct 23rd to 27th

=  Cclr Victor Durman, absent from ccl mtgs after nominations closed, selling and moving?

=  The last issue had DWV staff salaries for 2004.  Please note that the salaries of the Police and Fire Depts were not listed -- they risk their lives every day and no one can put a price on that.

=  Please forgive the 'commercial break'.  Remember that book launch I went to at the Seattle Public Library a couple of weeks ago?  Some of you know that I do some copyediting and proofreading (what else wd a person with a degree in languages do -- and a poet to boot, so obsessed with language).  I've done both AWAD books (A Word A Day has 600,000 subscribers finding out about a new word M-F).  Just learned Another Word A Day has just become #1 in reference on Amazon.com: http://amazon.com/o/asin/0471778788/ws00-20

= LATE BREAKING NEWS:  John Clark at BPAHA ACM mused he'd like to review the $40m new cmnty ctr building!  Stay tuned!

>>>  CALENDAR to Nov 9th <<< [Meetings at M Hall unless otherwise noted]

Gallery at the Library Oct 1-31; Ferry Building Gallery Oct 4 - Nov 12; Silk Purse Gallery Oct 4-23

Featuring 18 significant residences and public buildings designed by well-known West Coast architects, focusing on design in relation to the coast landscape: Peter Cardew, Barry Downs, Arthur Erickson, Brian Hemingway, Fred Hollingsworth, Russell Hollingsworth, Zoltan Kiss, Brad [Lamoureux], Blair MacDonald, Henry Yorke Mann, Paul Merrick, Arthur Mudry, Helliwell-Smith, Mark Ostry, John & Pat Patkau, Ron Thom, Daniel White, and Bud Wood.  Free Evening Lecture  Nov 9 from 7-9pm:  Ferry Building Gallery, Abraham Rogatnick

~ 5 - 7pm ~ PAC -- CANCELLED

        Wed Oct 26 - 10:30am and 1:30pm - Halloween Puppet Show

        Thursday Oct 27 - 4pm and 4:30pm - Halloween Howl

Pick up tickets for both events at the Youth Department Information Desk.  Registration begins Oct 1.

~ 8:30 ~ Arts and Culture Strategy Cmte

~ 3:30 - 5:30pm ~ Police Bd (Chamber of Commerce Boardroom)

~ 4:30 - 6:30pm ~ DAC (Eagle Lake)

~ 5 - 7pm ~ NSACDI (CNV M Hall)

West Vancouver Streamkeeper Society, PO Box 91166, West Vancouver, BC, V7V 3N6

Ph: 604 628 1123 /  e-mail: streamkeepers@westvan.org  /  www.streamkeeper.westvan.org

Hello Streamkeepers:

     With the autumn rains West Vancouver Creeks and Streams are beginning to fill and the Salmon are returning. Returning Salmon are the best indication that our fry-release program of the past years is successful. It is crucial that we know where and when the salmon are coming back to spawn For this information we rely on visual observations by streamkeepers,  property owners, dog-walkers, and any number of people walking along or across the many creeks and streams in our neighbourhood with open eyes.

     We rely on YOU to let us know when and where you may have observed salmon over the next three month. Please report your observations to our Spawner survey coordinator Elizabeth Hardy at <eahardy@shaw.ca>  and include:

·        Name of the creek where your observation has been made

·        Approximate location on the creek (road crossing, bridge etc.)

·        Date and time of your observation

·        Number of fish observed

·        Species (chum, coho) if known

·        Approximate size (in inches or centimeters)

Please report only your own observation, second hand reports are not very useful.

     If you are interested in more detailed spawner survey activity, the Pacific Streamkeeper Federation will offer a training session on Oct 29th from 12:30 to 2pm rain or shine.  Participants will assemble  at the mouth of Brothers Creek at the end of Clyde Ave. just below the Capilano Care Centre in West Vancouver.  This is an outdoor  event. Dress accordingly. Gumboots or waders would be appropriate.

     If you intend to participate or require more information please advise  or contact Kurt Peiffer <kpeiffer@shaw.ca>

     We hope to hear from you.

        Hugh Hamilton

        President

Please call Hugh Hamilton, WVS President, at 628 1123 for any reports re creeks, etc. and if you wish to volunteer, to participate, to help, to be involved.

FYI, however, here are the names of the WVS CREEK MONITORS:

~ 3:45 - 5:45 ~ YAC

~ 4:30 - 6:30 ~ EAC (check agenda)

~ 7 - 9pm ~ CSAC MOVED TO  NOV 15th

~ 6 - 8pm ~  PEAC

~ 10am - 3pm ~ WV Craft Market, Seniors' Centre and WV Aquatic Centre (lobby), info 925-7187

~ 5 - 7pm ~ HAC

Poetics/Architecture Exhibit: Free Evening Lecture 7-9pm:  Ferry Building Gallery - Abraham Rogatnick

7:06  start;  VD absent

3.         ADOPTION OF MINUTES

3.1       Public Hearing Minutes, October 17, 2005

4.         DELEGATIONS

4.1       G. B. Orr, Ports Alive, regarding Ports Alive Vancouver Harbour Adventure

Christie [sp?]: local enterprise, tourism

bro in law visiting from NY ten years ago -- great view, good to learn about things in the harbour.  Met George Orr, seats 12 ppl

told stories and ppl started telling theirs; talking about 1958 collapse of Second Narrows and one we thought was a tourist was hanging her washing that day and gave an eyewitness account

ppl made a connection

Orr: at BCIT teach history  and [...]  -- we want all the stories

intention to collect living stories of the waterfront

website will have this

devpd as curriculum for kids (schools)

we're still writing our history in Vancouver -- want to know what stories there are

just learned was a streetcar from WV to NV

looking to you, history of our waterfront......

Sop: in 1947-48 went from Main St to Cambie and the barker on the top deck wd point out the Sleeping Beauty (the north shore mountains)

that shd be looked up

JF: refer to M&A and WVHS

Ans: initially were very helpful and will continue to work with them

JF: Squamish Nation and Tseil waututh

Ans: took a while to find and now....

want to make sure stories we tell reside in WV

JC: any about reconstruction of the bridge, I can get some

but wd like to explore, what do you actually do?

Ans: run from cannery, 90 min. tour, summer seven days, rest Wed to Sun

called Ports Alive

apart from shameless self-promotion, want to make it a worthwhile experience

in four years the Olympics will be here

JC: Port Auth giving help?

Ans: yes

1000 and ev got off and said terrific; small forum ppl make connections with each other

G-J: probably looked into cannery, Millerd, now DFO research, UBC looking into it

Ans: great idea

7:17

KP gave background

Christie O'Krainetz (staff): thank you for your outstanding support of the Civic Youth Strategy

from skatepark, battle of the bands; staff great support

Byron Chard, Christine Chalk, Carol Wilson  all gave thanks and made remarks

Sop: about comment three years ago that filling

Byron: Fri night till 11pm Aquatic swim for youth

JF: not over yet

Arts and Culture Strategy has room for youth input, need your help and guidance.

Mayor: thank you; great to watch you grow -- Byron you're a good deal taller than three years ago

JC: don't forget Ms O'Krainetz who has provided a lot of leadership and friendship

{applause}

Sop: did you apply for the award?

KP: it's a national award; variety of ppl work as jury, applications from across country, they go through each; how many awards this year?

Ans: five

7:27

Sop: Given new situation....  May we ask solicitor for opinion again?

MMgr: difficult to do this evening

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SJN: guided by an outside consultant, work with a guidance cmte (residents and mbrs of adv cmtes) selected by Ccl

nbrhd mtgs to comment on process

investigative, other scenarios and workshops on them

lead guidance cmte and consultant to scenarios, nbrhd mtg on those and then Ccl wd decide again whether or not to go to Public Hearing

anticipate over a period of months

revised figures -- 3200 notices for last -- anticipate sums in range of $140 - 160K

wd try to ensure process efficient and thorough

cost recouped through Devt Costs

Vivian Vaughan: before we begin this study we shd be quite sure we fully understand to everything that transpired over the past two years

not a comedy of errors, but a tragedy

the process shd be fair

to those.....

staff shd really not be asked to work with the applicant

here is a checklist of what needs to be fixed:

OCP inconsistent

do a traffic study first LGB not growing, and TWay an emergency

study shows seniors want to live on flat ground

OCP limits it to low rise, defined as four floors with

create a process with Ccl in control

shdn't be dragging on

Cmnty Benefit Policy shd be in effect so that devpr knows what money to....

this was started by residents wanting a bonus

[at annual growth] 150 per year, minus.....

[this year] new home permits 157

given that..... wd be minus 7

can hardly afford the density we already have.

Blair Baillie: I have no further interest in land in area, my transaction with Millennium was settled some time ago

settled or not settled, have a strong interest

disturbed about the amount of delay over this

no connection with Millennium now

two and a half years have transpired since OCP decided upon

even from time of inception of OCP there was intense interest in Ev Dr

mtg high school, ppl seemed to be from one group, may not have been; opposition time after time at mtgs

Yet Cclr Day said there hadn't been enough time

after all this time, rushed?

....envisioned.....1.0

yet came and told too high yet OCP far more dense

hard to imagine you cd treat a dvpr in this municipality as Millennium has been treated

ashamed our M shd treat a bonafide devpr

....we know they have a good reputation

do we deal with ppl like that

said there's been no consultation

Cclr Day said there's been limited consultation; Mr Spaxman even said that in his report..

Mayor: stay on issue

BB: talking about time

mtg after mtg after mtg, that is germane

listened to Mr Nicholls, more mtgs, they've had them -- all with detail

why do these ppl object to traffic when I told you in July 25th that the traffic report said wdn't impede

I do impeach -- implore -- you

Eleanor Thomas: May I remind you a judge is Your Honour

RD: and we're councillors, not constables

Will this be under this Ccl or the next Ccl?

Mayor: don't know

ET: I don't think our reputation is tarnished

like it, what I sketched out on July 25th during discussions

my initial thought was not unlike Mr Rutter's, on the other hand if we put this in place for next Ccl, wonder if cmnty

wonder if enough time

get ducks in row

not perfect

process through, think it's right direction

takes it out of the hands of any Ccl and puts in fairly in cmnty's hands, work independently

at the end of the day, we'll have a better position on this whole project

frankly maybe a harbinger of things to come, as we things coming toward this

this is perhaps a framework for [future]

7:55

SJN gave background, new staff, etc

Sop: how long does new construction take

SJN: six to eight weeks, day to do plan check; there's a turn around reply from designer

Engg

did ask staff if slate wiped clean

they said approx same, six to eight weeks

some counter

aiming to speed up

aiming for four weeks

Sop: a recent study showed 50% homes in Lower Mainland being renovated, rather than new

categories might be different? reno diff process?

SJN: I've seen someone keep one bedroom and do rest of house and still call it a reno

doing a kitchen, for example, wd be less

we don't have repeat houses -- four or five designs and then do four or five hundred of them

in WV custom-built

real problem in WV, take two to three years to build

Sop: we seek best in quality, and some situations where homes go on over years

wd you look into longevity to build or we don't get into?

SJN: your bylaws do go into that; time period, renewals, now starting to penalize if delays

also working on measures to reduce impact on street for that length of time, getting trades off street

Sop: are they bylaws for a larger site? rules on how clean street adjacent to street shd be?

so often see a mess on the roads and this is what residents have to live with

there goes I, I'd be doing the same thing

what in bylaws to send sweeper down roads, and parking off street?

Mayor: many questions

SJN: next item addresses siltation

going into a storm sewer and going into a creek somewhere

have to notify staff, they go out and monitor and issue stop order if not monitoring siltation

JF: report says does not speed process, makes it more effective

one of the drivers was to try to shorten the time for dvprs who wait around and sometimes lose their crews

what's the likelihood of affecting the speed or how we can help so some certainty for builders

SJN: part of it is administration....

Some Ms only begin reporting after prescreening and only start counting after a complete application

we are now reviewing applications to make sure survey plans in place b/c it makes us look bad unfairly when they bring in incomplete plans and we have to wait for complete plans to do check and it looks bad

some builders/designers good

had mtg with them, helps get permits turned around quickly

JF: so with process go forward

SJN: inspectors go through and complete one in a day, can be quite quick

MMgr: certainly we've heard know what rules are faster

some things we've done has helped

if you look at the volume, this helps us not take longer

SJN: we are now dealing with $185m when previously under $100m, staffing the same and in same time

Mayor 588 [permits], 748 in 2004

G-J: interested in work still to be done

streamlining the design review process

wonder what you're contemplating

SJN: Ccl can delegate below

if you wd, wd expedite

probably beginning of next year, proposals for that

adv cmte review: we've asked John Steil to look at that; he's reviewing ppl on that and is reporting back to the MMgr, will have that report for next year

[listed the adv cmtes they have to go to, daunting]

G-J: one of the concerns is that proposal not quite ready and cmte ends up working on it

so look at

thinking of Water's Edge -- C-shape, L-shape, wasn't really ready

same with South Marr

MMgr: Mr Steil also dealing with this

mapping new; include in agenda devt occurring in cmnty

last year we visited concurrent, were doing consecutive; some real opportunities here

Mr Steil next month, next Ccl will deal with

SJN: we do get adv cmtes involved

clearer we can get in defining objectives [better]

G-J: how has time changed for building sgl fam home?

SJN: not that we see, depends

JC: great strides with Mr Steil

target of four weeks, how's aim?

SJN: quoting Mgr of Permits and Licences and that's what he's working to

Mayor: target

Sop: look at your dept and Permits and Licences, are the staffing levels correct?

Mayor: sufficient?

SJN: looking at administration side

inspections dept been increased by one person

when you're taking in fees, can adjust temporarily

extremely difficult to get qualified ppl

if you want to get employed off the bat, go into bldg permits

re this, Ccl has recommendations for that

Sop: do you have the staff to bring about these efficiencies

SJN: yes

RD: good we form this cmte b/c of the big increase in applications

ab to maintain time in spite of, good

interested in land devt engr and land devt technician

MMgr: these were positions previously in Engg, moved to Planning so not new, just structure organization

impression particularly successful

SJN: the technician is the one who goes out to ev site inspects blvds as well, the engr does it on a larger scale, sets the policy level, what the technician implements, engr oversees....

environment ofcr looks at creeks, looks at landscaping, liaison with Env'tal Coordinator, enforcing

wd like to use some of the fees to bring in someone to gather info so cmnty planner can do their work rather than stuffing stamping envelopes

astounded at the amount of work

today came across a 3.5page checklist of what to look at on South Marr, don't have to go out afterward..

8:23

Received

Sop: FAQ, what does it mean about net loss on project by project basis be prevented?

why wd you shorten the distance from top of bank to 5metres when you can be at 15meter

avoidance wd be best result

go to 5meters there'll be damage with that

look at infill areas? stay out and not do damage in first place?

SJN: ~ 15ft and 45ft green

work up there

this applies to areas below the hwy, some 75ft so lot wd be sterilized

between 5 and 15meters try to assure no net loss

someone building next to a creek, had a paved area and wanted to do another -- by removing the one in place and putting in the addition, net increase in habitat

that's what we'd look at

Sop: lady called me, a ditch there and lawn started to subside, were told it was a stream b/c of the nutrients

they had no choice to do anything

area under repair and caving in, they'd be resp to repair lawn themselves and anything destroyed but they didn't do that

SJN: no; my understanding is a difference of opinion from our engrs

proposal to fill in to increase size of lot

diff of opinion

environmentally sound ditches and swales, other consider breeding for mosquitoes and we deal with that on a daily basis but usually able to resolve

Sop: we rushed to June 30 deadline and then prov govt extended

SJN: if they wish to use WV as an example, is a possibility

Mayor: setting the [standard]

SJN: even if longer we'd probably come up with the same thing

a year from now

G_J: sedimentation [and erosion] control

residents concerned about running down road

pleased to see, but have we authority if not conforming to our expectations?

MMgr: yes we do

8:32

RECOMMENDED:  THAT "Zoning Bylaw 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw 4452, 2005" be amended in accordance with the memorandum from the Assistant Planner titled "Zoning Map Amendment - 1495 Esquimalt" dated October 17, 2005, received at the October 17, 2005 Public Hearing.

{Second and Third Readings}

8:33

6.1       Tax Exemption Bylaw No. 4453, 2005

RL: Ccl is only entitled to exempt from tax places of worship but they will now have to pay school tax, GVRD, etc

Mayor: those???

RL: Cclr Sop asked about the synagogue

they were left off in error, in 2007

JC: what's status for this year

RL not sure, but for moment exempt

Sop: when did this take place?

RL: we became aware of this two or three months ago, they'd become aware (Assessment Authority)

Sop: have they all been advised?

RL: by Assessment Authority and they did apply for exclusion

8:36

6.2       Watercourse Protection Bylaw 4364, 2005 Amendment Bylaw 4454, 2005

8:36

7.         REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS

G-J: invited to Youth Court Justice Cmte mtg wrt Substance Abuse Task Force/ Coordinator.....

JF: workshop on arts and culture, downtown; looked at facilities, to provide recommendations

9am to 4pm beautiful Saturday afternoon and committed to another Saturday

wonderful ppl in cmnty willing to give time

attended the second oldgrowth open house

staff pleased, new attendees

JC: Youth Court Justice mtg, excellent presentation by G-J

don't think you were still there but decided to become advisers to

our appointed police constable of the day had not been attending nor had RCMP, Sgt Paul Skelton came to that mtg and had significant input

not nec attend ev mtg, but good if they cd peruse the agenda and do attend b/c invaluable info

like to bring to MMgr's attn the Tof Ref -- they show ev as voting mbrs, some ppl don't show up or have to leave and they lose their quorum

8:41

8.         OTHER ITEMS

8.1       Correspondence [all listed in previous issue]

8.1.8         H. Kemp, General Manager, Troll's, October 12, 2005, regarding a government relations campaign for Horseshoe Bay merchants

                              Previously distributed due to timing of event.

...

            8.1.14       G. Parkins, October 12, 2005, regarding West Vancouver Aquatic Centre Entrance Fees

                              Referred to Director of Parks & Community Services for consideration and response.

Sop: fee charges, response to that?

KP sgl admision at $6 is somewhat below NV

NV has some of the lowest admission fees in the region

just read this letter today and will ask staff

Sop: Troll's at HBay, mtg

BC Ferries look at security, restricting passengers once entering compound, entering HBay

that will be devastating, financial disaster

if BCFerries opens out second floor, own facilities, 7m ppl a year through there, destroy HBay biz

have an issue to support HBay

know you've received a letter from Mr Hahn

fascinating looking at two C Class ferries with food, have food on second storey

tell me when fight is on, we'll be there

Mayor: last Tuesday at mtg organized by Gary Troll -- biz cmnty came together

70 - 80% of the biz in HBay either in cars or foot psgrs going onto the ferry

and if they cordon that off and provide food within, HBay is cut out

serious issue, getting organized

have engaged an indiv to assist lobbying prov govt/Ferry Corp at least

serious impact on economics of HBay; big issue, one we'll have to watch

asked to support, certainly we will

9.         PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

Carolanne Reynolds: Good evening, just a--

Jeanie leaned over to talk to the Mayor so I stopped, but was dying of curiosity, to wait for them to finish; the Mayor kindly said: pardon me? excuse me.

CR: thank you very much

Mayor: thank you very much

Chris Lee: I'm here on a happy note

in your file you have an invitation

Chris White from Robts Creek will be speaking of West Coast Enemy Action in WW2

Sat old photos going back 100 years; vintage film on Sunday

Sun night, students and staff from Emily Carr Design and Vancouver Film School, are going to show us new devts in film

so not only celebrating the past, but also looking to the future

warm invitation extended to all citizens of North Shore and Greater Vancouver to attend

Mayor: what is the fee?

CL: $20 for srs for weekend event, $25 for adults, students are $20 as well; the individual session wd be $10 each

Mayor: can you buy tix at KMC too?

CL: yes

Mayor: sounds like a great event; you've put a lot of work into that, and we thank you.

CL: has been a lot of work

Mayor: I've heard about this

CL: thank you for your support

Mayor: thank you

8:50

10.      ADJOURNMENT

Also listed in the last issue were the candidates for the municipal election along with contact information.  The School Board candidates will be elected by acclamation.  Pam Goldsmith-Jones and Ron Wood are contesting the mayoralty.

There are 16 candidates for Ccl:

Louise AIRD, Sean ALLAN, John CLARK, Rod DAY, Michael EVISON, Jean FERGUSON, Gus KROLL, Doug LANG, Rob PELLATT, Mehrdad (Med) RAHBAR, Carolanne REYNOLDS, Michael SMITH, Bill SOPROVICH, Hakan TELENIUS, Vivian VAUGHAN, Tom WARDELL.

7pm ACM Tuesday Oct 25: speeches and questions at Collingwood School

ACM Wed Oct 19 with speeches and about one question for each cclr.

On Thursday Oct 27 the Board will recommend a slate and then the mbrship (who wd hv had to have joined Oct 19th at the latest; $25 indiv, $40 couple) will vote to finalize a slate.

Directors:  Bruce Campbell, Eric Cant, Jim Carter, Martin Ernst, Frances Gray, Roger Garriock, Russell Hollingsworth, Harold Kalke (President), Patricia Lepp, Carol Ludvigsen, Paola Merkins, Lee O'Neill, Gene Quan, Chuck Walker.

They have no members per se (well, no fees, but an email list) but they have directors.  There was no ACM.  The website lists after Keith Pople (Chair): Noah Bowman, Peter Cruikshank, Andrea Flintoft, Colin Hunt, Debbie Nichol, Joan Ramsay, Roff Johansson, John R Uren, Gordon Ward Hall, Marion Ward Hall; however I have been informed that although five directors were absent the meeting was held with selection made by nine voting for their slate: the six directors present were Keith Pople, Peter Cruikshank, Andrea Flintoft, Joan Ramsay, Gordon Ward Hall, and Marion Ward Hall; the three other people voting were Dick and Judy O'Callaghan, and David Stephenson.

Still to come: Ch of Commerce Nov 3rd, Western Residents' Assn ACM Nov 8th

Attend mtgs, read the pamphlets, read the North Shore News and Outlook -- make an informed choice.

Too often we enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought.

                        -- John F. Kennedy, 35th US president (1917-1963)

A nation of sheep begets a government of wolves.

                        -- Edward R. Murrow

The penalty that good men pay for not being interested in politics is to be governed by men worse than themselves.

                        -- Plato, philosopher (428 - 328 B.C.E.)