WVM2005-34N+A
Nov 7 Notes; 21st Agenda; Calendar to 21st
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
2005 November
11
Remembrance Day rain
coloured leaves 'round cairn
'neath steadfast
evergreens' gaze
This is the Year of the Veteran. We owe so much. The
Remembrance Day ceremonies were well attended even in the rain.
Former councillor (and BC attorney general) Alan Williams stood in
front of me and was polite and kind enough to wish me luck in the
election. The sound system was very good and the tea/coffee and
cookies at the Library most warming, not to mention the live music.
Then off to the Legion, WV's own Branch 60, for libations and the
stirring skirl of the pipes. Truly a day to remember.
THIS ISSUE:
LATE-BREAKING NEWS; INFObits; Calendar to Nov 19th+; Main
Ccl Items Nov 21 (Trucks, Public Art Action Plan at $75K, Mtn Mardi
Gras); Ccl Mtg Notes Nov 7th (12% of WV residents live in poverty);
VOTE!; HUMOUR - Punny Sayings; Another Remembrance Day Haiku;
Quotations
LATE-BREAKING ELECTION/CAMPAIGN NEWS
The Outlook
had a grid -- great for a newspaper to provide information for
voters on the candidates. To my horror, however, it has me (Carolanne
Reynolds) listed as in favour of over 1% annual growth. I
actually chose (b) less than 1% and commented that's about what it is
now. The Editor of Outlook has kindly offered to print a
correction, however that won't come out till Thursday, 17th (and
there's an advance poll between)! I've heard of calls saying
they won't vote for me if I want such growth.
If alerted to anything else from a candidate before this is sent
out, I'll put it in this newsletter.
As an aside, as to priorities if elected, it would probably be
correct to assume all candidates put safety at the top of the list.
The reason some of us wd put it lower or at the end is not that we
don't think it a priority, rather that WV already is the third safest
cmnty in all BC so it is not something that is critical to work on in
the coming term -- it ain't broke and no need to fix it!
FYI, a list of all the candidates and contact information was in
issue 31 of West Van Matters (WVM2005-31, see www.westvan.org where an
updated FAQ, Frequently Asked Questions, can also be found).
The North Shore News (Sunday Nov 13)
had a grid too. Since I've attended all but eight meetings
since 1988, the number in my column represents all the meetings held
in the previous term/three years. Any number higher is a typo or
fictitious (or faulty math/calculator!).
INSIDE AMBLESIDE
has
profiles of candidates
The North Shore News (Wednesday Nov 16)
Page 65 for profiles on Rahbar, Reynolds, and Smith; then overleaf
has Telenius and Vaughan
No problem with its being so far back (how many get that far???),
but perhaps there shd be a notice on the front page of wch pages
election stuff is on, and divided DNV, CNV, DWV. Then we can
flip to the appropriate pages and not think election news is only at
the beginning.
Page 6 has a letter from two former Sch Bd mbrs who
resigned/left and state:
"...Unfortunately we found ourselves in an environment where
asking questions of probing for alternatives was met with
intolerance..."
Not really amazing, My Dears, -- what do you think I've
experienced over the past few years?
The letter goes on:
"...who strongly believe in the value of public education,
democracy, and local autonomy, and who are not willing to compromise
their integrity have no place in this system."
My, my.
The two writers will find that happens many more places than
on the WV School Board or even school boards -- it's
common.
That's the difficult choice you make as a citizen. Do
you leave as they and others did, or do you take the hits and continue
to fight against the odds?
And if you give up, what do you think will happen?
Save Our Neighbourhoods Slate
This group was the Residents Against High Density in the last
election -- wanting a municipal-wide referendum for any change in
zoning. Again this time they have list of candidates who have
never been on Council except for Bill Soprovich, who was also put on
their slate last time without his knowledge. Vivian Vaughan was
on the RAHD slate last time. This new list has Pam for mayor; in
addition for Ccl has Louise Aird, Gus Kroll, Michael Smith, and Hakan
Telenius.
Ron Wood Slate
apparently a late mailing has Sean Allan, Michael Evison, Jeanie
Ferguson, Med Rahbar, Mike Smith, and Tom Wardell.
WVCGG Slate
Pam Goldsmith-Jones for Mayor: John Clark, Rod Day, Jeanie
Ferguson, Mike Smith, Bill Soprovich, Vivian Vaughan
PWV Slate
Pam Goldsmith-Jones for Mayor: John Clark, Rod Day, Mike Smith,
Bill Soprovich, Hakan Telenius, Vivian Vaughan.
NOT ON SLATES:
Doug Lang, Rob Pellatt, Carolanne Reynolds
---
SO
Ladies and Gentlemen you have four slates (at least that I know
of) or you can look at all 16 candidates and evaluate them. It's
what I call 'responsible' govt. In other words, you are
responsible for the six you choose to represent and promote your
views. Don't be afraid to mix and match.
There's a rally for Pam Tuesday Nov 15th as well as WRA's AGM, an
event at the Chamber of Commerce Wednesday Nov 16th. Thursday has
the Shoreline presentation at St Stephen's at 7:30; Friday may
have an afternoon mingle but certainly mad campaigning!, and then VOTE
on Saturday.
>>> INFObits
<<<
= UTTERLY AMAZING!!!
HAVE YOU SOME ANSWERS?
Have been waving at the intersection of Taylor Way and Marine
Drive Tues (15th) and Wed (16th) with some others from about 7 to
9am. At the last election, there was some gridlock and you cd
even talk to people as they were stopped or crawled along to the
bridge. Totally astonishing is the fact that there is much less
traffic now! We calculate about 30% less traffic. While
standing there waving, we were musing as to the reasons. Here
are some and I'm interested if you have others: widened bridge and
causeway means traffic flows more smoothly so no or less backup; more
home-based businesses so fewer commute downtown; many delay going
downtown (one person at a social gathering said he goes at 10 or 10:30
when it takes him 12 minutes). OTOH, we've found trying to get
downtown around 7pm is difficult and backed up -- guess many going out
to dinner or the theatre.
WATCHING THE CARS GO BY -- many with cell phones, some with
coffee, some with sandwiches. Funniest wave was with a
banana.
Most
unusual was someone brushing her teeth. Envious of the
convertible with its top down. About three cars a morning do a
U-turn at Marine Drive and Taylor Way!
= CAMPAIGN CAPERS
My collector's item (1965 cream Caravelle convertible) lost
brakes and since a 1965 still awaiting replacement. G's
Mercedes got a flat tire. Company car had flat battery.
G's car got another flat so had two at once. Meanwhile try to
wave, campaign, plant signs, give out flyers.......
= The list of candidates for the municipal election Nov 19
(with contact info) in WVM issue 31. That issue also includes
2004 DWV staff salaries. Omitted in candidate info: Rod
Day's award of excellence for teaching at SFU; Carolanne Reynolds's
DWV Heritage Award in 2001.
NB: it is hoped to have an all candidates' mtg the week of the
election for a last chance for voters to talk to/ask questions to help
them evaluate and choose the team they want to lead West Van for the
next three years.
DASHED
= DWV's popn is about 43K (BC prov stats), not 47K (from
FP) as listed in VSun, so per capita municipal govt by far highest at
around $1700 per person. (Keep in mind councillors are paid a
measly ~$22,000 per year. Utterly amazing some offering to do
that work for you -- if indeed they're going to put in the 50 hours a
week a conscientious councillor does. Just ask Sop.)
= Congratulations to the WV Cricket Club -- 50th
anniversary!
= Tenth Anniversary of West Van on the Web!
Faximum Software (my computer software company) put DWV's heritage
celebration information up on the Web in January 1995. DWV went
up in 2000. Get M staff reports from www.westvancouver.ca but
read West Van Matters (back issues) on www.westvan.org with not just
reports from ccl mtgs, but also transcripts so you can read their
lips.
= Want to know what OCP, FSR, Uplift, Density, etc are? See
my FAQ! (Frequently Asked Questions sheet and on
www.carolanne.org; also at www.westvan.org where past copies of West
Van Matters can be found.)
>>> incomplete CALENDAR to Nov
19th <<< [Mtgs at M Hall unless
otherwise noted]
=== TUESDAY, Nov 8th ===
~ 5 - 7pm ~ HAC
*ELECTION EVENT: ~ 7pm ~ WRA ACM at Gleneagles Cmnty
Ctr
=== WEDNESDAY, Nov 9th ===
~ 7:30am ~ Ch of Commerce Breakfast at Hollyburn Country Club
with Bill Clennan, Speaker
~ 7pm ~ Poetics/Architecture
Lecture: Ferry Building Gallery - Abraham
Rogatnick
=== THURSDAY, Nov 10th ===
~ 8:30am ~ Arts/Culture Strategy cmte mtg
~ 4:30pm ~ Deadline to apply to serve on an advisory cmte
=== FRIDAY, Nov 11th === HOLIDAY
~ 10:45am - noon ~ REMEMBRANCE DAY CEREMONIES, 1900 Marine
(cenotaph/Memorial Library)
*** VINTAGE FILM & SONG FESTIVAL - Nov 11, 12, 13 -
at Kay Meek Ctr
A three-day celebration of the Human Spirit in support of the
Harvest Project
For information, please call St Stephen's Church, 926 4381,
www.saintstephensanglican.org
THEN:
Nov 13th , Sunday = 7:50am = Khatsalano Road Race (Horseshoe
Bay to Park Royal)
Nov 14th, Monday = Ccl Mtg CANCELLED
Nov 15th, Tuesday = YAC at 3:45pm; CSAC at 7pm
Nov 16th, Wednesday
~ 9am ~
Sports/Rec Fac Planning
~
5:30pm ~ FAC
~ 7pm ~
Bd of Variance at Hall; Library Bd in Library
Nov 17th, Thursday
~ 6pm ~ NSh Family Court and Youth Justice Cmte (mtg in
NV)
~ 7:30pm ~ WV Streamkeepers' General Meeting at St Stephen's,
885 - 22nd St; Presentation on WV's Shoreline by Adrian
Rowland
{HIGHLY RECOMMENDED: Fascinating slideshow on WV's
waterfront, its past, its present, and what to do about
future.}
Nov 18th, Friday = last day of mad campaigning!
Nov 19th, Saturday - ELECTION!
MONDAY, Nov 21st, a council meeting -- agenda comes out Thursday
with possibility of supplemental on Friday. (See main items
below.)
>>>
SOME AGENDA ITEMS FOR MONDAY NOV 21st
<<<
A
Supplemental Information Package/Agenda May be Issued on
Friday
3.2 Council
Meeting Minutes, November 7, 2005
*****(to be circulated
in the Supplemental Package)
4.1 K. Samuda, regarding Safe
Trucking Practices in West Vancouver
4.2
Presentation from R. Amantea, Vice President, Park Royal Shopping
Centre, regarding awards received re The Village at Park
Royal
5.1 Development Variance Permit
Application No. 05-013 (5717 Eagle Harbour
Road)
Additional Report: Additional Information - Development
Variance Permit 05-013 (5717 Eagle Harbour Road)
CALL FOR PUBLIC
INPUT
5.3 Driveway
Access for 5770 Eagle Harbour Road
*****(to be circulated in the Supplemental
Package)
5.4 Youth Competition &
Recognition Fund - Application for J. J. Mah and K. Mah -
Canadian National Climbing Team - RECOMMENDED THAT J. J. Mah and Katie Mah
be granted $200.00 each
5.5 Youth Leadership Grant
Recommendations
RECOMMENDED: THAT The Youth
Leadership Grant application for Project Share be approved in the
amount of $650.00., and for
for Global Young Leaders Conference be approved in the amount of
$200.00.
5.6 Public Art Action
Plan
RECOMMENDED: THAT The Public Art Action Plan be adopted; and that A
category of Public Art be established in the annual Infrastructure
Budget with a funding envelope of $75,000, to be considered as part of
the 2006 budget process.
5.7 Proposed Mountain Mardi Gras -
Request for Funding
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. A grant of
$10,000 as supplemental to the 2006 Community Grants program, be
approved to the North Vancouver Community Arts Council for support of
the regional Mountain Mardi Gras celebration February 26, 2006;
and
2. A representative
from the West Vancouver Community Arts Council and a municipal staff
person be actively involved on the Steering Committee to promote
cooperation and collaboration; and
3. A commitment by the
Steering Committee be made to support and encourage West Vancouver
resident participation at the event;
4. Accountability
reporting requirements be met relative to expenditures.
5.8 Fees and Charges Bylaw
No. 4414, 2005 Amendment Bylaw No. 4456,
2005
5.9 Proposed Business Licence Bylaw
No. 4455, 2005
etc
=== CCL MTG NOTES=
Nov 7
===
~7pm
All present. Unfortunately it was announced that Shaw wd
not be taping and broadcasting the mtg but that a tape was being made
to be put in the Library. Oh dear. Missed the fact that
two items on the agenda mentioned no money but it turned out one was
$300K and the other $400K to $1m! So I recommended that all
motions requiring taxpayer money shd hv the amounts involved -- the
Mayor thought it was a good suggestions but the media did not report
it. Ah well. Election time.
VETERANS' WEEK -- NOVEMBER 05, 2005 - NOVEMBER 11,
2005
Presentation by Royal Canadian Legion, WV Branch 60, re Veterans'
Week, November 05 - 11, 2005.
7:11
2. APPROVAL OF
AGENDA with some additions
3. ADOPTION OF
MINUTES, Oct 17
7:12
4.
REPORTS
4.1 Development
Variance Permit Application No. 05-013 (5717 Eagle Harbour
Road)
Designated Presenter: Director of Planning, Lands &
Permits
At the October 17, 2005 meeting, Council received the report
dated October 06, 2005 from the Assistant Planner titled
"Development Variance Permit No. 05?013 (5717 Eagle Harbour
Road)"
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
RECOMMENDED: THAT all written and verbal submissions...be
received.
If Council wishes a further staff report, then:
RECOMMENDED: THAT staff report back to Council...
OR
RECOMMENDED:
THAT the DVP Application (5717 Eagle Harbour Road), which would
provide for a new single family dwelling with variances to
setbacks, highest building face, retaining wall location and grade
line, and rock removal be approved.
SJN gave background: triangular in shape,
quite steep, directly up from road
staff report says requested now 432 cu
m,
calculation in error; actual allowed 252
so variance 180 cu m (error, ie less originally in docs, not the 60 cu
m)
rock removal unchanged
architect Mr Helliwell will make a
presentation
Sop: rock was removed -- how much? approved?
SJN: no idea what was removed; adoption of bylaws took place before,
no record
Sop: so don't know if five or 25 years ago?
SJN: not aware, no
Sop: came to conclusion in my own mind, any
site that has had previous rock removal, adds to present calculation,
recalculated
someone blasted or chipped away a level
spot
how'd that come about? flat?
SJN: no record, believe done before
bylaws
current bylaw calculates net removal based
on existing house; does not have one so that calc wd not
this lot hasn't an existing house so not
done
Mayor: add'l report. Receive it before architect speaks?
MClk: yes
G-J made motion to
receive
Architect Helliwell: just to clarify
concerns, there was a v small area blasted here for a one-car
garage
no idea when; in excess of 15 years ago from the trees that have grown
back
in our calcs, asked to have a registered
surveyor say what he thought the original site was so the blasting
figures tried to base on natural configuration of the
site
v difficult site
tried to put a house easy to live in, easy
access, not disturb road
v concerned about neighbour, reason for low
sloped roofs
letters today wrt view lines so did
diagram
80% of house conforming, areas encroaching
on setback are 20% of total area
[Diagrams/photos on overhead]
Sop: how long for removal?
Architect: I don't know
Sop: volume?
Architect: er, calc, don't know
Sop: how high [pointing] 80ft?
Architect: I'll do math. 14ft to main floor -- no, that can't be
right..
42ft from road to highest point
Sop: how far back from EHbr Rd
Arch: 15ft
cantilevered ft 13.8 to property line
Sop: a road then a wall, then now high
Arch: 0 to 15-20ft
Sop: edge of house 13ft from Rd?
Arch: from edge of prop, ah 27ft
there's a portion on the western side where road encroaches on
property
Sop: ask Mr Nicholls how that came about
SJN: when road was built, years ago
Sop: one of those years ago things
Mayor: before your time
Sop: getting letters; set well into land, but it's this
intrusions
are those houses set back
further
Arch: yes, their prop goes up to Maple and
access there
anticipate retaining walls same as these
here, with pockets for native plants
quite a different property set up
JF: certainly staff are recommending this house and variances be
approved
topographical maps didn't give me a feel for the steepness, saw it
with model
[otherwise] where wd it sit on site
Arch: not possible
well, it could but wd be on extremely high stilts and likely quite
modest in size
wd have to be on three-storey stilts to be on a level platform
there was no level site from prev blasting; a little niche cut in
can walk but in setback area
Mayor called from list of those wanting to
speak
Marilyn McX (sp?) demurred
Kim Smith: partner with Bo Helliwell so not
needed
Mayor named two or three others who also declined to come forward
Bob Hunchak: 5721 EHbr Rd, immed west of prop
this picture is taken from middle of EHbr Bay, the trees that seem
nicely to block home are on waterside (not there standing on the
street)
not heard fond comments on
the road level according to theirs 21/24ft, not 27%
the 20%, I don't know what it's referring to
[diagram up], the pink and yellow areas are the house, and that's over
60% of property
We've lived there since 1979, never a house, nice
knew the 30ft setback wd protect our view and privacy; both will be
affected
site lines don't go just straight out
certainly in front of us and to east
impact on EHbr beach area
the driveway will be 5ft from the rd and 12ft above it
don't know how you can landscape that, can't put a conforming wall
there
37ft above the road, total ht of bldg above road will be 47ft
towering, no softening by the trees; can't see be much landscaping
possibly over here garage and steps up to house
over here do......make it more acceptable
over here, 5-600sf deck next to our home and view area; lessen it by
8ft with less impact on road and us
house is encroaching on road, no relief for nbrs and we think this
plan has to be revisited.
Moved by G-J and seconded by JC for staff report to come back to
Ccl
VD: difficult to build house on
sure three-storey stilts wd look terrible from EHbr Beach
bldg only 2600sf instead of 3200 as
allowed
yes, closer to road; if pushed back wd have
to blast more
so caught between a rock and a hard place -- literally
:-)
One submission that their view corridors being affected
Architect said not
you don't have a right to a view -- trees grow up
many years had a view
see no point with a staff report
what are they going to say
come back, stilts, house further back, complain; no stilts more
blasting and complain about the blasting
seems like a fair compromise; not big at 2600ft compared with houses
blt in WV
drive into garage; ton of stairs
I'm going to vote against a staff report b/c I think we shd let
applicant built a house
Sop: well, when the calculations of blasting are a lot more than put
down by the presenter
I want the facts and figures fair and square in front of me,
calculated in the proper way
JF: no trouble; staff supports what's explained to us tonight
but wd like staff to report back in a week wrt privacy, particularly
ppl to the west
we didn't really have a good drawing or map; or impact of deck, cut
back, or does it look down to a bedroom or a living room?
want to be satisfied as to whether it
does or doesn't
G-J: appreciate how well sited
wrt setback 5ft is close, can empathize with that
appropriate staff come back
RD: agree; nbrs have raised some concerns
Cclr Durman does have a point; this house less impact that Tuscan
house next
ironic that somebody wants to do a good job with a good architect,
something that fits in well, gets subject to so much scrutiny
nevertheless nbrs brought some good points; will vote for the motion,
good design, but some modifications
JC: I'd like to see blasting schedule
effect on road; how controlled and handled
CARRIED
7:51
4.2 Facts and Stats in
West Vancouver
Designated Presenter: Director of Planning, Lands &
Permits
RECOMMENDED: THAT the Council Information
Report dated October 14, 2005 from the Planning Analysts ... be
received.
SJN: on website
presenting facts and stats, not analyzing them -- that's part of next
phase
Sop: in chart 1, WV vs GVRD -- total income 15 years and older?
assume this part accumulated?
Mayor: Mr N, do you understand?
SJN: not entirely
Sop: looking at scale of need
in relationship to GVRD, we're lower than
that but still, a certain number of our residents are under a livable
income
SJN: looking at households; in GVRD 19%
income under $19, 999 in GVRD but 12% in WV
Sop: prompts me, without analysis, there's
a need for help
SJN: we've not done that; kept analysis out
of it
Sop: a certain number under livable [income] in WV
social implications
why don't we know that?
SJN: we hope to go further into that; that
analysis in OCP; what sort of cmnty we want
substantial numbers, how to live been
described
expect that will be a focus of discussion, may also be relationship to
age and status of life
VD: following up
ppl always believe WV us the martini and
Mercedes crowd
40% of households earn less than $60K
per year; can't buy many martinis or Mercedes on
that)
35% earn less than $20K
these facts need to be generated down to
postal codes b/c one needs to understand where these ppl living; my
guess mostly around Amb Town Ctr
SJN: is broken down by census
VD: then part of the retail problem in
Amb
low income around Amb
comm
Dundarave higher income
level; as go west, Caulfeild higher and
thriving commercial ctr
when Amb Town Ctr comes up, see problem,
low incomes
age problem -- and may be asset rich and
income poor
income levels, maybe many more
stay-at-home spouses, one has enough to support two; where one
income
other parts of GVRD, two incomes
required
good process, good Planning brought this
forward so we can educate ourselves of fundamental facts, need to be understood before
approach housing issues, face issues
G-J: interesting, for the 12% [under
$20K]
that Lionsview Seniors' Planning Society
study, of only 450 ppl random, came with exactly the same -- 10 - 12%
in real need; this corroborates; probably take as given and
begin to address seriously
VD: it's too glib to say we have to address
it
how do you?
we have v high land values, v high
construction costs
when we talked about Kiwanis -- a major
group of ppl did not wish the Kiwanis to build low cost rental housing
to house exactly that group of ppl
we spent many days in Public Hearings
listening to ppl like Preserve West Vancouver who were anti that type
of thing; a four-storey bldg was against their view of the
world
this shows we have to be much more
flexible in our density calculations so we can produce lower cost
housing, build more like Kiwanis to support our seniors in this
cmnty.
JF: WV really has to get busy on housing
bylaw
need to understand facts and statistics,
give them a human face
WV ppl to decide how to deal with them;
cmnty that wants to deal
can be done in a sensitive way
ppl spoke of the values of the cmnty
indicated tome; where there was a will there'd be a way;
reinforces housing dialogue interesting and important
G-J: back to Kiwanis housing, that was a 7
- 0 vote, there was huge interest and huge support ev mbr on Ccl for
Kiwanis; believe more potential on that site
certainly if we cd get our cmnty benefit
policy in place, we cd decide that's greatest cmnty benefit we cd
achieve
Sop: tells me there is a need for a certain
percentage of residents in harm's way -- place or cost to live and
what are we going to do about it; if Kiwanis had to purchase, wdn't be
there
Mayor: Land given to them
Sop: given to them eight years ago, more to
go, two more possibilities, sites; health region looking at care
facility on site; presents a dilemma market being
high
tells me as Cclr Ferguson says, got to get
facts straight and start devising some method
don't think we have to densify to the
degree Cclr Durman wants
Mayor: getting way beyond ourselves here
VD: agree; if Kiwanis wanted to build,
cdn't if hadn't been given the land
glad to say I was on Ccl that did that
eight years ago and our current mayor led way to give money, gift to
Kiwanis, organized sale of land to Health Bd, so cd build rental
housing, and that's what leadership is all about
RD: we're getting involved in the
election here
VD: I'm not!
RD: a person who is not even involved in
election to be electioneering for a particular candidate is totally
out of order
Mayor: okay, okay
VD: I can say whatever I
like
Mayor: ready for the
question?
CARRIED
8:04
4.3 Ambleside Town
Centre Strategy - Street Lighting
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. Council approve in
principle those improvements to street lighting in the Ambleside Town
Centre as recommended by this report.
2. Council approve in
principle standardization of street lighting hardware in the Dundarave
and Horseshoe Bay Town Centres as recommended by this
report.
3. Council direct
staff to review timing and funding of those improvements as part of
the 2006 capital budgeting process.
Brent Dozzi, Engg staff, gave background:
replacement
Sop: on p 2; two amounts $297K and
$331K
cost to paint existing pole
BD: plan is to maintain existing poles in
both scenarios
Sop: new head on top, configuration around
bottom; apparatus for banner and hanging basket
that wd be the $331K
Mayor: $34K diff
Sop: but we have $70K put
away; so well over $400K
BD: include $75K put away earlier so
net $256K
Sop: $69K wd be to install duplex
receptacles, the addons, as in Dund and HBay
just hardware, so lights there fine, standardized?
BD: somewhat; traditional fixture with high pressure sodium, the
technology at the time considered more cost efficient at that
time
with new technology we can upgrade to a
higher, with modest cost, all have receptacles, ability to hand
banners
fixtures not looked at in
detail.....inadequacy
Sop: test case, new standard between 14th
and 15th
BD: yes
JF: what are you going to do with old poles? recycle them?
BD: poles intended to stay, but in conversation with supplier re
fixtures; some Ms use these so either sell them to other Ms or other
countries; a donation
Mayor: tell them only used on Sundays!
VD: new light fixtures more electrically efficient? note you have 44
less
BD: two ways to look at those
assume more power on per light basis; some
automatic sensing, can adjust levels
other saving is that we're reducing number
of lamps by 40%; reducing ongoing maintenance costs
CARRIED
Hakan left
8:11
4.4 1431 Clyde Avenue
Lease for Recreational Purposes
Designated Presenter: Director of Parks & Community
Services
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council receive the staff report dated
October 25, 2005...outlining space leased
for recreational gymnastics programs.
KP: primarily for gymnastics, during period
of construction; challenged; two thirds of what we had, but best and
closest we cd find
we're running about 80%
maybe lost some but opening up new; seems
to be working fairly well already.
8:13
4.5 2005 Community
Shuttle Operating Agreement - Lions Bay/Caulfeild
Designated Presenter: Director of Engineering and
Transportation
RECOMMENDED:THAT
1. The report dated
October 19, 2005 from the Transit Manager regarding the 2005 Community
Shuttle Operating Agreement for transit services between Lions Bay and
Caulfeild Village be received;
2. That the Mayor and
the Municipal Clerk be authorized to execute the Agreement covering
the period Sept 6, 2005 to December 31, 2005.
BD gave background
Sop: went to kickoff day; terrific service,
cd do for us here
says no costs cuz funded 100% through
TransLink but really through taxpayers
TransLink won't pay over price so who pays
if it goes over?
BD: don't have answer, can check
Sop: doesn't appear a large amount of money
but conflicting area
MMgr: my understanding that's intended to
cover we authorize service beyond authorized by TransLink; does cover
if exceed service of TransLink and don't expect that
RD: what's the fare from Caulfeild to
Lions' Bay?
BD: set by TransLink in accordance
throughout the region
Mayor: two-zone fare
RD: at least get service for money, we pay
two zones to Vancouver!
CARRIED
4.6 Gordon Avenue and
Neighbourhood Area Traffic and Streetscape Study (Final
Report)
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. The Gordon Avenue
and Neighbourhood Area Traffic and Streetscape Study (Final Report) be
referred to the Engineering Advisory Committee for comment; and
2. The public be
invited to comment on the recommendations of the Gordon Avenue and
Neighbourhood Area Traffic and Streetscape Study (Final
Report).
SJN: ND Lea contracted by M in cooperation
with Parks and Engg Depts, and Geri Boyle Manager of Planning will
make presentation with ND Lea
Geri Boyle: Landscape architect too; Brian
will take us through the study
Brian Wallace of ND Lea: we were commissioned to do the study
in conjunction with staff
Marine Drive to Inglewood/Jefferson
corridor between 20th to 22nd
area unique with variety of non-residential
uses in area; srs' ctr, school, health facilities; generally
surrounded by residential devt
examining existing conditions;
questionnaires, comments received
took information away and reviewed it,
looking at alternatives
closing streets not seen as a viable option
so looked at adjustments to way street system works
unique look to area; drivers aware a diff
area; high pedestrian srs and chn
options included, corner bulges, midblock
bulges, narrow the road; provide opps for enhanced landscaping; to
reduce Marine Dr crossing distance
less street to cross
on 21st and 22nd, but on 20th not so much,
local street
up from Inglewood, 22nd Fulton and Mathers
flow
another public mtg to obtain feedback and
options; staff provided comments on that
put together, "the plan", the elements that shd be
considered
Gordon between 21st and 22nd -- had to be
kept open: access to Kiwanis, underground parkade, service access,
etc; parking on south side of Gordon Ave, parking at
premium
keep it open and other [aspects]
Sop: long term view of area outlined in map
if cars, in name of safety, why not entertain traffic measures as soon
as you come off hwy?
BW: unfortunately I have to invoke--
north of Inglewood/Jefferson, beyond our terms of reference
our starting area south of Inglewood/Jefferson
Sop: come in droves seeking; but won't belabour b/c going out to
public
you leave out Jefferson and 21st
many chn cross over there but you steer
away from that, why didn't you include it?
BW: again, the northern boundary was
Inglewood and 21st
Sop: didn't make sense
Mayor: wasn't asked to
BW: I'd gladly survey the whole M, given
the time and money
Sop: bus stops?
BW: not proposing moving any
remove the bus bay so it stops in lane
those bus bays, used three, four times an hour
BD: staff quickly realized when started with study of corner,
expanded
the area by PJ School being studied by our Traffic Cmte
Corners will be looked at by Safety Cmte
21st and Inglewood has a four-way stop
will be looking at entire area
Sop: for safety in the interim period, are there going to be measures?
interim? along 21st?
Kiwanis, school, older folks in and around area.
[8:28, Hakan and Med back; VV back]
Ken Larson, landscape architect with Diamond Landscaping: I work with
Brian
[overheads]
Generally two options
one to look at improving the pedestrian opportunities on both sides of
the street
the other, a bit of a bend in the road
opportunities for safe crossing; cmnty ctr, landscaping at key
corners
G-J: wrt 20th Street, are you recommending?
wch? a, b, or c? or out to public?
BW: sketch 16 in the plan, recommending
option A, right out only, top of 20th and Inglewood
G-J: if live north of Inglewood on 20th so
approach coming up 21st; now head up 20th and jog, wdn't be able to do
that any more?
BW: no, you'd have to come up 17th to
Inglewood, go along and turn right on 20th
G-J: or up 21st come back on
Inglewood
can't continue down 20th, not up 21st; and
can't come down to Library, have to turn left or right
BW: have to turn left or right; or down
20th or 17th
JF: talk with seniors? impairment with
audio or vision?
BW: don't recall if anyone there with that
point of view but seniors there
sidewalk vs road system
crosswalks raised, and in diff texture, so elderly don't have to step
up on the curb
other devices, didn't get into that detail
four N/S crossings along Gordon
GB: at first mtg, many came out from Kiwanis; plan attempting to
respond to that
a WV rep of ACDI; discussion of how negotiate roundabouts
BW: did have a discussion wrt concerns of sight impairment; she did
provide some research
not conclusive; some suggestions
Concerns were valid and given walking likely Esquimalt from East, the
two wdn't coincide
JF: page 196, construction cost increase up
to 400% in last three months
and during this mtg!
where from here? I know EAC and ACDI; a lot of seniors
there
what's the process going to
be?
GB: tentative timing was final report
referred to EAC and the public
hoping to get a letter out to public, in
mail by next Monday and give them approximately three and a half weeks
to get comments back
brief summary of consultant's
recommendations
full report av on Web and hard copies at
Library and M Hall
hope back mid-Dec or so, comments from
public, and back to Ccl in January
JF: know seniors interested wd like to see
continuation of sidewalks up to the hwy
as long as opportunity for those ppl to
respond to Ccl and for Ccl to consider any request they might
have
VD: p 3 under existing conditions, consider
all good (traffic), so not dealing with traffic, dealing with
pedestrians
BW: traffic easily dealt with; single lane;
so not looking to help traffic, 21st and 22nd in particular; help make
pedestrian environment better, looking at crossing
VD: and safer; thrust of it
BW: if road narrower, easier to cross
particularly on MDrive; not caught in middle of road
VD: landscaping just to look
prettier
KL: wd like to think of function; looked at
permeable paving system
by designating stalls better use probably
than gravel now; wd like to think wd improve the environment but feel
it's building on what's there now at cmnty ctr
{Yay! I've been pushing for
permeable surfaces for ages, including in a submission for the new OCP
b/c it will aid in absorption and slow runoff on our
hillsides....}
JC: see green foliage [diagrams], is this
new?
KL: yes
JC: plants tend to grow like crazy; are we
taking into account sight lines; low growing foliage?
growing and lopping it down
again
KL: drawings were for graphic
purposes
JC: practical application?
KL: even looked at 22nd, dense trees; idea
to improve visibility
visibility and safety
RD: describing the traffic situation is good, good for moving cars but
also there's the issue of neighbours who are much disturbed by
speeding
am sure they'll make that point
Sop: amazing what you hear when you go out and talk to the
neighbours
....maybe way to go
BW: over time traffic will grow
both shd remain single lane from Marine Drive right up to hwy
only choke point, signals at MDr, may have need for lights for
turning
right up to hwy shd remain single
look taking out parking 22nd and 21st and make lane
in the context of analyzing in cold-hearted engg way, carrying traffic
they're working well but still well below capacity for sgl lane
so not turn into four-lane
BD: staff have committed to a staff survey
see how 21st 22nd functioning today and how
in future
Vivian Vaughan: a couple of
observations
Many of us were at a v interesting mtg
regarding traffic on 21st St and it was brought out that a study in
Britain showed that when calming measures, increased air pollution
from automobiles
sure this translates
universally
taxpayers hate to pay for things that
contradict each other
pay for air care then pay to put pollution
back in
these interesting designs, bulging into
streets, may be good for pedestrians but frustrates
cyclists
we look locally with limited terms of
reference but don't look at whole
we're going to revitalize Amb, increase
facilities at cmnty ctr -- will increase
need more coherent planning
creating a traffic pattern with a lot of
stops and starts; that increases
pollution aspect
wd love to see more coherent planning, less limit on TofRef,
understand budget limitations; wd like done in more comprehensive
way
Mayor: thank you very much
Kris Gibbon (sp?): v interested in the
traffic study that's happening; realize big process
mentioned comments from residents
at this period of time, three weeks, given
now it's a busy time; wd like to feel residents have had appropriate
time and for feedback
maybe in a relaxed setting where we cd
speak with ccl mbrs
hope foresight, more of a budget, and more work done on 21st, above
Inglewood
impact goes right up; quite a squeeze cutting off some streets
Mayor: am sure if you need more time, staff will grant it.
SOP MOVED MOTION
Sop: hear from Mr Dozzi if public want
change there will be?
BD: absolutely; changes made, ongoing
process
JF: wd like to propose an amendment to
first part of motion; referral to ACDI
RD: why not NShore Transit
Cmte?
Mayor: more NSh
RD: NV,--
MMgr: think NSh Transportation not
localized, and this is
G-J: we shd include Pauline Johnson Parent
Advisory Cmte
JC: that group is definitely
involved; have been for months
G-J: did grow out of the Civic Centre Site,
Baker McGarva Hart study earlier
this report, quite ambitious, will provoke
ppl, hope public don't take as given, that they engage in it and help
us address serious concerns there and around Civic Ctr
site
VD: serious pedestrian concerns; nbrs
raised at time of Gordon Townhouses
Sop: there's a friendly
amendment
CARRIED as amended
8:54
5.1
Zoning Bylaw 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw 4452, 2005 (Zoning
Maps), for Adoption
SJN: will be handling out new
electronically generated zoning maps
8:55
6.
REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS
RD: WVCGG announced, bylaw officers gave
out 47 tickets -- $30, M made $1200
dark cdn't see
think we shd have had warnings
came out and boom!
those shd be forgiven
MMgr: We don't go around ticketing just to raise money
have had residents
area has been
as soon as bylaw officers get complaints they go
can't retroactively
we have said to Kay Meek Ctr, if you're having an event and you see
ppl coming in
let ppl know
Mayor: if we cd impose on KMC to improve the lighting, wd be an
advantage
facing a serious liability issue
MMgr: one of the selling points of the KMC being where it was was that
there were more parking
encourage those coming use the parking
RD: talked to seniors who say seniors can't get into KMC
only way come in, steep stairs; another way
requires key for elevator, two-person elevator
suggest we look at that
quite by chance, friends told us about Halloween, a marvellous
exhibit; he's a paramedic every year carves 450 pumpkins and does them
v well; takes him six days, puts them in trees, puts up ghosts,
etc;
wonderful thing to visit
we went when ppl told us -- Steve Williams, lives near 15th; first
time we've seen it
VD: Cclr Day's good idea lighting down; maybe with SchBd b/c lighting
asked for by runners on that track who find it v dark
we cd do some lowlevel lighting
JF: not wishing to dredge up old.... but many years ago when I was on
Sch Bd there was a request for lighting but it was solidly turned down
by the Ccl of the day
RD: light up track, expensive and lights up nbrhd
just asking about
VD: you can have lighting that doesn't light up nbrhd, as in West
Bay
RD: just for KMC
sign can't be seen, lane, unless you know it's there
BD: there are signs on 15th
RD: doesn't indicate the lane but not close
enough, see sign but not lane
JC: effective this weekend, Nov 10th, the Rotary and Salvation Army
are collecting clothes -- drop off at Firehalls
1500 families across NSh in dire straits
eight-year-old girl on record, addicted to
crystal meth; all the money from sales of clothing will go to fight
crystal meth
7.1
Correspondence (all listed in previous WVM)
...
7.1.9 L. Turpin, on behalf of the Board of West Vancouver Minor Hockey
Association, October 06, 2005, regarding public/private partnership
for recreation facility
(File: 0055?20?WVMH2)
Referred to
Director of Parks & Community Services for consideration and
response.
JF: benefactor; prepared to fund
KP: had discussion
will investigate; issue here has always been location and amount of
use in WV to make something like this viable
MMgr: also my understanding that we wd stop
using our arena and use this private one
have to look at if practical
lots of issues to look at
Sop: I talked at Ms Turpin; major considerations on our part
ramifications of how and where
have to look at all these things,
initiative good, have to look at practicality
9:08
8.
PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
* MILLENNIUM AND EV DR
Hakan Telenius: an issue dear to my
heart
I read in NShNews and in Carolanne's
newsletter
{Thx, Hakan!}
Millennium took DWV to BC Supreme Court [re
vote]
Judge ruled DWV was right in
interpretation
when did Ccl learn of Millennium's
intention to take District to court?
MMgr: when papers were filed, brought to Ccl's attention
perhaps sometime in summer, wd have to look
back to records
Mayor: several months ago
HT: news to me
Mayor: since July 25th
obviously
HT: what wd they have done if they had
succeeded, ruling different?
are we expecting them to come back? an
amended proposal? fight this in court?
Sop: excuse myself if you're going to talk
about Ev Dr
MMgr: speculation
no idea what they're going to do
we've started a planning process with the cmnty
HT: they are actively participating
MMgr: sure they'll take an active
interest
HT: have they any further recourse? can
they appeal?
MMgr: can but don't believe they intend to
do so
judgment released last week; Judge was quite clear in recognizing the legislation
as currently written.
* TAXPAYERS' MONEY AND RIGHT TO
KNOW!
Carolanne Reynolds, laughing: They can
come back now!
JF: probably gone home!
Mayor: [Ev Dr] let's see what the
question is
CR: Hakan Telenius was referring to,
when he said Carolanne's newsletter,
[holding up West Van
Matters]
the judgment -- the judgment is up on the website if anybody wants
[www.westvan.org]
that's not something... doesn't matter
if they hear it
my question is, as you know I'm always
asking about information and residents' rights
In the past, sometimes your agenda has
the amount of money involved in an item, that it's going to cost the
District, and sometimes it doesn't
For example, tonight the lighting was
around $300K, and the Gordon St study $400K, yet the amount does not
appear in the motion
Since you have the agenda posted at the
Srs' Ctr and other--, may I suggest, in the interests of the
information of how much taxpayers' money is being considered to be
expended, that when you have an amount of money involved in a motion
in an agenda item, that the amount of money be
identified
MMgr: wrt the Gordon Ave study,
premature, we're still going back to the public
if you look at study cd get up as high
as $1m
really at this point trying to get more
public input wch will assist us in making a decision
as far as the traffic lights, that
really was an approval in principle wch will be referred to the
budget
but that is an interesting point in
terms of--
certainly in fact if there's decision
made, allocated in budget, we do try to put in motion
CR: may I say that it's quite
understandable that maybe you don't know the exact price or estimate
or whatever but if it's considered to spend a portion of funds, like
well over $100K. In these cases, one was $300K and the other at
least $400K, then perhaps you cd say that the amount of taxpayer money
being considered is a range, or that the final amount will be
decided--
Mayor: good point, good
point
CR: -- b/c often, by the time it gets to
the final study, you and I know, Mr Mayor, no matter how much
information you put out, there's still someone who says, "I
didn't know"
Mayor: yes
CR: and I sympathize with
that
so I think when you are considering this
and it is a major expenditure, if you put it in that this is going to
cost money, b/c remember just a a few weeks ago we had ppl complaining
about a very modest sum of $35K for a nbrhd survey
so when you have two items tonight, one
$300K and one $400K, I really do think it wd be of value for
residents' information to know that considerable amounts of money are
being considered.
Mayor: a reasonable
suggestion
CR/Mayor: thank you
*nLAMPPOSTS IN AMBLESIDE
Dina Zeitler: pillars staying? just top
being replaced?
cost of fixture
BD: proposal to replace
fixture
decorative base, cover bolts
DZ: since they were put in the 80s
Amb continually asked for baskets and told
by Parks diameter can't hold baskets, wd like them look as in
Dund
how will this make post
stronger?
BD: one of the interesting benefits of
top-mounted fixture
removed side fixtures; take those out of
the equation
also have flanges
key is take out load from side, neutralize
load
thereby allowed to add baskets to pole
Mayor: so current weight is transferred to the top of the pole?
BD: right
Mayor: positive news
DZ: that's wonderful news, hope on
record
Mayor: growing your geraniums
KP: that is good news
however, we'll be back indicating what the
cost will be
have to be grown,
almost double the baskets doing now
JC: and watered
KP: watering, one truck going around now, wd have to increase
Mayor: understand
DZ: thank you
Bruce McArthur: just a light comment --
talking about removing fixtures from Ambleside and needing at
KMC
maybe look at?
[laughter] ADJOURNMENT about
9:30
CANDIDATE WATCH: Doug Lang, Hakan Telenius, Vivian
Vaughan, and Yours Truly stayed to end of Nov 7 Ccl Mtg.
>>> ELECTION/CAMPAIGN UPDATE
<<<
* CANDIDATES for MUNICIPAL
ELECTION
Listed in WVM 31 were the candidates for the municipal election
along with contact information. The School Board candidates will
be elected by acclamation. Pam Goldsmith-Jones and Ron Wood are
contesting the mayoralty.
There are 16 candidates for Ccl:
Louise AIRD, Sean ALLAN, John CLARK, Rod DAY, Michael EVISON,
Jean FERGUSON, Gus KROLL, Doug LANG, Rob PELLATT, Mehrdad (Med)
RAHBAR, Carolanne REYNOLDS, Michael SMITH, Bill SOPROVICH, Hakan
TELENIUS, Vivian VAUGHAN, Tom WARDELL.
* UPDATES on
Groups/Mtgs
=== BPAHA: 7pm ACM Tuesday Oct 25: speeches and
questions at Collingwood School
+ UPDATE: All candidates made an opening statement and a
minute wrapup; during the question session between, five ccl
candidates did not get asked to speak at all while a few of the
others spoke more than once.
=== WV Citizens for Good Govt
Directors: Bruce Campbell, Eric Cant, Jim Carter, Martin
Ernst, Frances Gray, Roger Garriock, Russell Hollingsworth, Harold
Kalke (President), Patricia Lepp, Carol Ludvigsen, Paola Merkins, Lee
O'Neill, Gene Quan, Chuck Walker.
ACM Wed Oct 19 had a statement from each and then one question
for each candidate (a few got more than one).
+ UPDATE
On Thursday Oct 27, speeches were made (four minutes for
mayor, three minutes for council), then the Board recommended a
slate: Pam Goldsmith-Jones for Mayor; and for Council: Sean Allan,
John Clark, Jean Ferguson, Michael Smith, Bill Soprovich, and Vivian
Vaughan.
Under their system, there is then a vote (by members who had
joined by Oct 19th) and as a result, Rod Day replaced Sean Allan on
their slate.
NOTE:
As far as I can tell, all were interviewed. Not all
candidates joined WVCGG however, and a few candidates started in the
summer getting their supporters to join, since aware the
recommendation is overturned by the vote. Also, have been told
that the membership this year was almost twice that of last election.
Clearly a lot more 'interest'.
Some will recall that in 2002, they suddenly stopped issuing the
ballots at 7:30 in spite of the fact some candidates had been told the
deadline was 8pm. Some who were turned away refused to join this
year. This year, it is interesting to note, they went back to
the previous way, that is issuing ballots until after the council
candidates had finished their speeches.
Did hear a rumour that some members had been told they cd come
back later and were then refused (but it was as late as 9pm).
=== Preserve West Vancouver
They have no members per se (well, no fees, but an email list)
but they have directors (not elected). There was no ACM.
The website lists after Keith Pople (Chair):
Noah Bowman, Peter Cruikshank, Andrea Flintoft, Colin Hunt, Debbie
Nichol, Joan Ramsay, Roff Johansson, John R Uren, Gordon Ward Hall, Marion
Ward Hall; however I have been informed that although five directors
were absent the meeting was held with selection made by nine voting
for their slate: the six directors present were Keith
Pople, Peter Cruikshank, Andrea Flintoft, Joan
Ramsay, Gordon Ward Hall, and Marion Ward Hall; the three other people
voting were Dick and Judy O'Callaghan, and David
Stephenson.
+ UPDATE
Although Roff Johansson is listed as a director on the website, I
understand he resigned before the selection meeting. The
selection was made by the six directors listed above, two members, and
a third (member of TWASHA) invited to participate.
As reported in the North Shore News, the Board did not interview
all the candidates. In fact they also refused to interview at
least one. (Obviously their prerogative to make a decision.)
Except for Keith Pople who has attended many more ccl mtgs, and David
Stephenson who attended every council item wrt Evelyn Drive, the other
directors have attended several ccl mtgs.
These nine at their mtg at a director's home (about 10pm after
the WVCGG first mtg Oct 19) chose: Pam Goldsmith-Jones for Mayor; John
Clark, Rod Day, Michael Smith, Bill Soprovich, Vivian Vaughan, and
Hakan Telenius.
=== Chamber of Commerce All Candidates' Mtg (ACM),
held Nov 3rd at KMC.
+ UPDATE
The moderator announced that this was an information session and
the Chamber does not endorse any candidates.
The meeting started with a lively session with speeches and
questions given to both mayoralty candidates. About half the
audience left soon after the mayoralty part.
For the 16 candidates for council, the format was two minutes for
introduction and two minutes for 'wrapup'. During the question
portion there were eight questions asked and then stating there were
no more questions, it ended early with the wrapup statements with the
moderator saying people could talk to candidates after the meeting.
Although 16 responses were given, only ten candidates had questions
directed to them, again six did not get to answer at all.
Jeanie had three questions and two questions were directed to Mike
Smith, John Clark, Sean Allan, and Tom Wardell. While with 2010
coming I'm sure that B&Bs are of interest, no one I spoke with
thought it was one of the top or pressing issues of concern to WV
residents at this time yet a question about B&Bs was directed to
six candidates! That means six of the 16 responses the public
heard were about B&Bs.
* STILL TO COME:
=== Western Residents' Assn ACM Tuesday Nov 8th
7pm informal coffee/mingling with session starting at 7:30 at
Gleneagles Community Centre.
There will be an introductory statement and a wrapup statement by
each candidate. There may be two set questions of interest to
WRA and then the candidates will be asked to respond to
questions.
UPDATE:
The fairest of all the ACMs (pls forgive me but of course I'd
think so b/c in all of the previous mtgs, I'd only been asked to
respond once and it was what I'd do about the cost of heating this
winter since fuel prices have gone up). Most of the questions
were referred to all the candidates in turn (with a 15-second limit on
reply) however there were a few questions directed to a couple of
candidates.
RECOMMENDATION:
There has not been much of an opportunity to hear what all the
candidates have to say -- very uneven. Attend mtgs, read the
pamphlets, check the backgrounds/experience/claims, read the North
Shore News and Outlook (and note that my answer was under 1% growth,
roughly what is now and was incorrectly reported as over; a correction
has been promised for the next issue, Nov 17) -- make an informed
choice.
Several of us hope there'll be another ACM the last week of the
campaign period that will give each candidate equal time and to answer
some of the major issues facing the municipality and to give their
views on improvements for the coming term as well as their
vision.
STAY TUNED!
WVM will continue to try to provide you with facts and
updates
>>> VOTE!
<<<
VOTING DAY: SATURDAY NOVEMBER 19th
You can vote anywhere. Please check to see if you're on
the electoral roll. You can, however, register on the
day.
>>> HUMOUR -- Punny
Sayings <<<
BLESSED ARE THE CRACKED; FOR IT IS THEY WHO LET IN THE
LIGHT
1. Those who jump off a bridge in Paris are in Seine.
2. A man's home is his castle, in a manor of
speaking.
3. Dijon vu - the same mustard as before.
4. Practise safe eating -- always use condiments.
5. Shotgun wedding: A case of wife or death.
6. A man needs a mistress just to break the monogamy.
7. A hangover is the wrath of grapes.
8. Dancing cheek-to-cheek is really a form of floor
play.
9. Does the name Pavlov ring a bell?
10. Condoms should be used on every conceivable
occasion.
11. Reading while sunbathing makes you well red.
12. When two egoists meet, it's an I for an I.
13. A bicycle can't stand on its own because it is two
tired.
14. Definition of a will: A dead give away.
15. Time flies like an arrow. Fruit flies like a
banana.
16. In democracy your vote counts. In feudalism your count
votes.
17. She was engaged to a boyfriend with a wooden leg but
broke it off.
18. A chicken crossing the road is poultry in motion.
19. If you don't pay your exorcist, do you get
repossessed?
20. With her marriage, she got a new name and a
dress.
21. When a clock is hungry, it goes back four
seconds.
22. The man who fell into an upholstery machine is fully
recovered.
{I heard this one years ago:
Confucius say man who cover chair spend most of time on
bottom.}
23. You feel stuck with your debt if you can't budge
it.
24. Local Area Network in Australia: the LAN down
under.
25. Every calendar's days are numbered.
26. A lot of money is tainted - It taint yours and it taint
mine.
27. A boiled egg in the morning is hard to beat.28.
28. A midget fortune-teller who escapes from prison is a
small medium at large.
29. Those who get too big for their britches will be
exposed in the end.
30. Once you've seen one shopping centre, you've seen a
mall.
31. Bakers trade bread recipes on a knead-to-know
basis.
32. Santa's helpers are subordinate clauses.
33. Acupuncture is a jab well done.
>>> HAIKU
<<< another written 2005
November 11
Heavens, weeping, grey
as
we remember ~~
clouds lift for a brighter day
>>> QUOTATIONS
<<<
The life of every man is a diary in which he means to write one
story, and writes another, and his humblest hour is when he compares
the volume as it is with what he vowed to make it.
--
J.M. Barrie, novelist and playwright (1860-1937)
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German - ehrlich gesagt, ab
und an ist es hilfreich sich zu ärgern, damit alles gut
läuft
Friedrich Wilhelm Nietzsche (1844 - 1900)
was a German philosopher, psychologist, and classical philologist. He
was a severe critic of morality, Utilitarianism, contemporary
philosophy, materialism, German idealism, German romanticism, and of
modernity in general...
*** English - frankly speaking, you
sometimes have to get annoyed to make things work
well
......
H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956) was a twentieth century journalist,
satirist, and social critic, a cynic and a freethinker, known as the
"Sage of Baltimore" and the "American
Nietzsche".
*** English - democracy
is a pathetic belief in the collective wisdom of individual
ignorance
Billy Wilder (1906 - 2002) had a career as a screenwriter, film director
and producer
*** English - if you're
going to tell people the truth, be funny or they'll kill
you.