Hope you enjoyed the North Shore Heritage Weekend! and all those other events!

*** EVELYN DRIVE DEVT discussed for an hour on 18th, then the Evelyn Drive circus continues Monday 25th -- the staff report is already available!

*  Here's the item:

*  Here's the url:

= Main Items Sept 25: Evelyn Drive 300-unit Staff Report; Clovelly-Caulfeild Nbrhd Plan; public mtg waived for 2533 Garden Court DPA and permit to be issued!; Alteration Permit (4769 The Highway); Waiving notice for subdivision of 2185 25th???; Extension of Noise Non-Enforcement at The Argyle (where tree removed without permission); WVCAC $25K fee for service; M and trees in Correspondence 13.4 and watercourses 13.5

= Calendar to Oct 3rd (Affordable Housing/Design Course); UPDATES (Mayor's Quarterly Report; Squamish Sculpture for WV selected);  Sept 18 Ccl Mtg NOTES (Evelyn Drive debate); Sept 25 AGENDA; INFObit (The Value of Monarchy); Quotations

Do you like to paint?

At the WV Streamkeepers AGM Sept 21, it was reported that volunteers -- ppl, kids, cubs, scouts, anyone handy with a paintbrush -- are needed to paint storm drains.  You've seen those yellow fish.  All paint and materials will be supplied.  Please call 604 628 1123 to set up a time with others and paint detail leader!  You might even get lunch.......

***  DO YOU LIKE TO DESIGN?    Attention Youth Artists

        Ambleside (Sunday) and Dundarave (Saturday) Farmers' Markets still on on weekends!

~ 2 - 4pm ~ FSTF Economics subcmte mtg in Musto Room at Library, followed by

then, as in last WVM 7:30pm North Shore Celtic Ensemble also at the Library

+  RIVERS DAY -- Celebrate throughout BC!

Pease support me in the Cheerios Heart & Stroke Walk for Heart on Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 10am at Ambleside Park in West Vancouver.  Walk either 3 km or 5 km -- whatever your heart can take.  Meet my team, Ralph's Ramblers at 9:30 am for a warm-up.

If you want to join me and Ralph's Ramblers for the walk, all you need to do is go to www.heartandstroke.ca/walk and click on Register, British Columbia, West Vancouver, then Create your user ID now.  Look for the Ralph's Ramblers Team after you complete the personal information page and sign up with either the registration fee (it only costs $15), or raise $100 and waive the registration fee.  Be sure to enter as a Team member.  If you don't want to walk but still want to support me, you can pledge me online through the following link:

The Ambleside West Vancouver Walk is currently the fourth highest fundraiser Walk in all of Canada - only behind narrowly behind Calgary, Edmonton and Ottawa!  So let's make the #1 spot!!!

Thanks so much and hope to see you then!

Ralph Sultan

Co-Chair for the Cheerios Heart & Stroke Walk for Heart - Sunday, September 24th, 2006 at Ambleside Park

+ FBG CALL FOR ENTRY  9 - 11am -- ADJUDICATION FOR THE FERRY BUILDING GALLERY

Selected artists=92 work will be scheduled for an exhibit at the FERRY BUILDING GALLERY in 2007.  [Requirement details in last issue.] For more information, please call 925-7290

LOCATION:    West Vancouver Seniors' Centre Activity Room, 21st Street/Marine Drive

===  Monday, Sept 25  ===  Ccl mtg 7pm, but note the Tax Sale will be held in the Ccl Chambers, 10 am

~ 7 - 10pm ~ FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY TASK FORCE meeting in Ccl Chamber -- update, presentation, public input!  See background, answer questions at http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?aF61&c=690

~ 4:30 - 6:30pm ~ DAC; and ~ 5 - 7pm ~ NSACDI at CNV Municipal Hall

~ 6 - 8pm ~ Opening Reception at the FBG for exhibit, "Connexions" - Arnt Arntzen, metal furniture; Richard Tetrault, paintings.  Exhibit closes October 19

~ 3:45pm ~ Civic Youth Strategy Working Group at the Srs' Ctr [DWV Calendar revised]

~ 4:30pm? Check to see if FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY TASK FORCE meeting

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***  AFFORDABLE DESIGN/HOUSING - advance notice

See below for the City Program's upcoming courses and events; check SFU's website at http://www.sfu.ca/city

Some new developments:  The "Affordability by Design Public Lecture" on October 19 now features Karrie Jacobs who speaks on "The Perfect $100,000 House - A Search for Great Affordable Housing". This lecture is part of the Affordability by Design Conference on October 20, which features an exciting list of speakers. The conference focuses on affordable housing solutions.

       We are using a construction management approach for this project which facilitates design and construction integration while retaining maximum flexibility and control over the construction process. Our project team includes both a project manager and a construction manager who work closely with District staff, the consultants, and trades to optimize value and manage risks.  The goal for the project is cost containment and quality control.
**   Arts & Culture

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Add: Item 8.1 cancellation of Oct 23 cmte of the whole; rescheduling of Oct 30 regular ccl mtg; letters re Ev Dr

Mick Webb: re NSh bear situation; hope will be helpful re bear management

handled well by staff, sometimes intervention by conservation officer required

relocation and hazing limited success and extremely stressful, sometimes fatal; not all bears respond

death by bullet ofcr reluctant to perform, outrage from cmnty

root cause of problem:

= garbage bringing bears in, and into their territory

= poorly handled attractants entice them into our nbrhds

immoral when results in death of bear

look to ourselves; I feel by education; coexist with them; appreciate role of the bears

this is bear country; something to be proud of, respected not feared

Volunteers formed the NSh Spring Bear Festival Society registered in Victoria [read constitution]

Ben Killam from New Hampshire coming, successful rehabilitation, featured by National Geographic

[gave various events planned]

open family day in Ambleside Park at end, barbecue, etc

Our vision that NSh be an example to coexist with bears, and to visitors [possible]

support from staff so far appreciated

Sop: what kind of support so far?

Ans: you've provided $3K in form of a grant, in kind

facilities and events in Ambleside park

Sop: where will event be held this year?

Ans: Ambleside Park

Sop: may I be excused

Mayor: state your conflict b/c start of process

Sop: when process started; my son (realtor) informed me approached to market for Millennium so after legal advice, withdrew; been so since beginning

--> Mayor: I have one person who didn't speak last week who wishes to

Andrew XXX (sp?): live in area

most important for me; one of three best places in world

some say we are downtown of WV, brings responsibility; how do as 'well' as possible

GBoyle: over 200 ppl, 32 ppl spoke, three issues

concerns expressed about demolition taking place in area and so far been boarded up and staff has asked for a traffic mgmt plan re demolition to be approved by Traffic Mgr; owners to be given two weeks' notice

-->  RD: at first 500+ units; Ccl called on consultant, Ray Spaxman; chaired a cmte of nine (EDGC); spent time deliberating and came to a consensus Option C, 355; some less, some more.

Now asking Ccl to draw up motion re plan and go to PH

Ccl has looked v closely at this and various options, no unanimous position on Ccl, some leaned toward Option B and some more but as with cmte, feeling Option C balanced approach to lead to a good devt: housing choice, diversity, cmnty benefits

without being a highly dense devt than original 550

the key is not the sqftage, but the quality and livability of the devt

that is why we're looking at a master plan, Ccl and staff wd cooperate with devpr to get a really good one for WV.

housing choice and variety commensurate with density level of Option C

Mayor: Ccl will know that this is slightly different than printed on agenda

-->  JC: traffic, affordability, diversity

if they come forward with what they showed last week, it will be restored

*  JF: support, good motion; wd like to see brought back in masterplan or zoning, a percentage to be rental; not tied to 1000sf Spaxman suggests -- wd that be the av size?  My hope wd be for some smaller units

marriages fallen apart, parent wants to live close by, wants to participate; important for those ppl in our cmnty as well

also concerned with traffic-calming; look for direction from staff

actual appearance and livability

moving ppl through the site; needs to be an opp for ppl who live there to congregate, meet and greet, get to know each other as nbrs; the site have the look and feel of WV about it

Really don't get to see WV until Park Royal and much as I like PR, I don't think it represents WV but this area behind it can typify in quality and style

whether achieved with devpr or zoning, that's my hope

-->  VV: quite a few issues shd be drawn to ppl's attention

not [fewer] staff at M Hall

various views

there have been various professionals who have advocated high rise and high density and not allowing any sgl fam in area, therefore not maximizing area's potential

correct re profitability, maximizes financial concern, but the mistake IMO is that they regard it as downtown but OCP has no downtown, always a high quality residential suburb

points that come up is we're ageing, support families

when proposed, thought accept duplexes, if up to 200

so if really for small families, wd not have looked at Ev Dr, a difficult sloping site; so I'm looking for a reason after the Spaxman study why we are doing this

surprised so much not what we wanted

right at the beginning, to add one new unit a new entrance has to be made, a requirement of the Prov

increase maybe to 100 or 200 and affordable to seniors wanting to downsize, small families

That reason public gave/wanted and it doesn't exist.

70% didn't want it, survey; those who advocated this were not elected

Synovate: traffic and devt; an OCP says not to grow at this rate

merry go round

All of those objecting will be back and will fail again; all we have to do is not pass this motion

Devpr cd start to develop

Fellow Ccl mbrs, how do you feel if we go through this and it fails again.

We have to see result and act in accordance with that.

-->  MS: I've really struggled with the whole way this has unfolded

resident chose not to sell, now ppl are living with abandoned houses, ppl digging up his plants

is that the way we want to live in WV?

cd live in a house, WV can say they're putting something in the OCP, rezoning, and that wd happen in my nbrhd, like a suburb of Beirut, Beirut subdivision  don't think acceptable in WV

If we're going to rezone, Ccl shd have had a study, written a report, come up with a plan, identify what the cmnty benefit was to be, decided what it was going to look like, then we cd have voted on it, and moved forward

unfortunately that didn't happen

think ev agrees something has to be done there

while I share a lot of the concerns of Cclr Vaughan, reality is the status quo there is not acceptable

still have reservations

driving there, coming back about 6pm, traffic backed up TW and past end PR Village -- while pleased to hear Cclr Clark say TWay and MDr will be fixed but have to see it to believe it; reality still have to deal with bridge

[7:52]I remember 50 years ago riding my bike down, TWay and MDrive was the only traffic light in the Municipality; the Blue bus didn't go past 33rd; no BC Ferry terminal; nobody knew where Sq was; Whistler hadn't been heard of; Bowen Island and Sunshine Coast were non-factors

situation now, 50 years later still trying to funnel ppl across that bridge

that's why our OCP calling for slow growth, 1 - 1.4% per year makes sense

philosophically agree probably shd undertake higher density to allow for fact region is rapidly growing, but surely that entitles us to rapid transport, bridges, roads, etc ev M has except the NSh

if we approve 350 units, 700 w/ two cars per unit, that's in advance of our stated 1% growth

still my big concern is that traffic

Spaxman says clearly in his report, several times, absolute maximum you cd have is 350 b/c of traffic, and Mr Spaxman is probably not as familiar with that street as the rest of us who live here -- ppl coming down Keith, etc.... step aside to avoid being blindsided by someone rocketing down TW, very tricky place to put to new road; really gives me grave concern and I don't know how to deal with it

traffic circles and calming, but most ppl have two cars, 700 more cars coming out of there

to summarize, if starting from scratch I'd say no until those issues addressed but we're not starting from scratch, the thing is rolling along with own momentum; area turning into an area of disrepair; something has to be done there

Read Spaxman report several times over weekend, highlights were 350 max for traffic; both B and C wd meet objectives of OCP and be livable; B is 255 units with .55FAR and C is 350 units with  =2E74FAR maybe solution, come up with something no one likes, split the difference -- probably the only thing I cd support is a B+ or C-, that is .65FAR with 300 units

I wd make a motion, that we change; an amendment .....change numbers to 300 and .65

so vote on main motion

really important to hear what Mr Spaxman has to say

he was away but recorded his remarks

[read them, in effect: 40 years of experience, delight in plan cmnty helped to produce; especially relevant plan, unique and valuable place to life; amazing variety of choice at the affordable end]

OCP was passed and supported by cmnty as a whole

FAR of up to 1.0 was considered appropriate and this comes up underneath that

good work, nbrhd came up with B but stretched to C

ev single mbr of EDGC lived in WV, so no outside influence

we were specific in OCP and this was one of limited options

I thought good questions came out from last week's mtg, what will come out of this?

momentum to move forward and what will it look like

design fitting and innovative, keeps scale so valued in WV

Ccl wants to keep the mix as in the past, families and seniors

my challenge to Millennium will be, like to see a model, sustainability, takes into account accessibility and diff lifestyles within .74 or perhaps some modification to that at next step

think this process has been excellent

been a year and everybody has acted in good faith; without a good design this won't succeed

really respect ppl have moved to this position, Option C

on the traffic side, a challenge, working with Sq Nation and MoT for the first time

keep the pressure up; been shortchanged by MoT

--> VV: when I am concerned about precedent-setting, I'm v well aware of what OCP says; get new ccl ev three years, new OCP ev four years, and once hint some bought properties

this has six-storey, eight-storey; OCP taken into consideration sometimes, not others

if you're in a residential area, be aware Ccls change, OCPs change, you will start to get ppl assembling properties, near a bus stop, etc.

ppl can make own mind up

but do know future can come fast

--> JF: Cclr Smith made comment but Mr Spaxman is a resident of WV

--> MS: not as long as I have

--> JF: no one has but he is a resident of WV

another, OCPs are a guideline and are reviewed and sometimes not until 15 years later

[smirk]

some ppl have money to invest in our cmnty; all the more intent on safeguarding what we have

--> RD: want to correct a few perceptions

this is not a incitement for rezoning

the OCP calls for up to 1.0FAR and there are a couple of others

if this passes, it will not lead to a lot more rezoning

in fact this is for 25% less than OCP calls for-- it's .74 not 1.0

it's next to a shopping area

to me, Option B or C is fine, as long as quality

consensus seems to be coming in around Option C, but the key is the quality of the devt

this is a good site for devt

build it in the right places

Option B or C, important to get on with it; provide some choice and variety and Option C provides more but I'm okay with B and C

--> VV: Cclr Day brings up a good point

--> Mayor: not sure that's the case but can discuss that at the time.

--> RD: if we don't come with five [votes], this will fail again

--> MS: think it shd be .65 and 300 units

maybe Mr Stuart can help us with this

wd hv been better if Cclr Day had seconded it

--> Mayor: we don't have a motion on the floor, Mr Stuart:

--> CAO: if it's Ccl's desire to move forward; have staff report back next week

am a little concerned after spending $100K, doing a bit of planning on the fly

best professional advice

we understand what Cclr Smith said; best to ask Ccl to report back next week

--> MS: correct, no planning on the fly

also said absolute maximum the road wd take is 300, so why not cut back, then spare capacity in the bank; it's not planning on the fly,

--> CAO: I understand; the choice and diversity; want that all, work if that's what wanted

--> Mayor: I don't see anything wrong with a staff report coming back wrt Cclr Smith's comments

interested in comments re choice and diversity; make motion and still have a report

--> CAO: whether passes or fails, can report back, and take into consideration.....

--> MS: being spoken at on both sides; can Ms Scholes help? Cclr Day now has one

--> SSch: as CAO said, Ccl can explore .65 FAR and report back next week

--> MS: that's my motion

--> JF: I'm absolutely perplexed!

just heard Cclr Day speak passionately, now all of a sudden wet feet

change of direction; ppl put their trust in this; cd understand if a couple of weeks had gone by but we've just seen this, here!

when proposal comes forward can propose change

we don't have scenario

completely puzzled by this reversal; it's a complete betrayal

--> RD: not a betrayal at all

Spaxman said both B and C acceptable and to me; but do not want to see this whole project flounder b/c we can't get five votes

let's save the project; can see if 355 won't work it'll die; I'm fine with 300 if that will pass

let's get on with it

--> VV: I just want to reiterate that the sgl fam gets on with it the fastest; can be implemented now

355 might fail

bothers me speaking it as if going to die as if a child

just going with Option A; nothing wrong with a nice new set of houses at Ev Dr

no reason to have a sense of failure; studying something, dealing with it, and moving on

--> JC: the resolution tonight was put forth by staff; now one by Ccl

I have no problem with another next week 350 or 300; we can come back with 325

--> Mayor: important to note no one for Option A

keep nbrhd character and Options D and E not acceptable

may not allow as much flexibility

if you can turn this around in a week, marvellous; maybe some choice and diversity

[8:23] MOTION CARRIES

name (name not heard) speaking on their renovation: have lived in cmnty over five years and active

have family close by, grandparents here and reason we've moved here

communication with neighbours

provide privacy; space in basement and attic; no intentions of flipping

started process in March and naivete, thought we cd start in summer

Moved: THAT the DVP Application, which would provide for additions and alterations to an existing home with variances to Front Yard and Side Yard be approved.

Sop: visited site today and a bit of an anomaly

the unopened road allowance, green, behind property

look at Madrona Place, abruptly upward

house relatively small and expansion basically on same footprint

to south some land available for a a yard for children

shd support this motion, cd go forward b/c of shape of lot

8:29

Sop: curious; p 47 when they talk about removal of invasive species are they talking about down the slope from top of bank?

Mayor: Mr Stuart

CAO: within the creekbed so from creek to top, so replacing with native species

Sop: but here you have a large lot, invasive species (blackberry); it's regrooming

JF: I don't know what invasive species on that bank but in other places I know English ivy is throughout and bad and if it's that, important to rip out; not a native plant

ppl spend countless hours and fortunes ripping it out

I know a couple of women who go to Lighthouse Park ev week and spend time out of the goodness of their hearts pulling it out

Sop: blackberry

RD: I agree with Cclr Sop if English ivy

creeks have been altered by owners all over

the creek bed behind our house, staff has done a v good job

in my experience, been quite positive; staff been v conscientious to protect the creek env'mt but difficult where many variations over the years

CAO: no intention in whatever shape or form to alter the ground; usually done by hand

[PASSED with Sop OPPOSED]

8:35

RD: shd be v attractive

MS: if intention to maintain Spencer estate, how by subdividing it?

on market for a long time

too much house to knock down built in 1996 so buyers stayed away; not subdividable

if you want to preserve it, best not to allow subdivision, not change our bylaws

not knock down house, economic reality

can't see why we're doing this; zoning is for an 80ft front and this calls for 52 ft

why not say if you want to follow the bylaws, fine; if not, no

can't see any reason for allowing subdividing this

Sop a few weeks ago we had one divided into three lots!

again I go back, what are we looking for for future

not against a WVite making a money from its property

are we going to allow subdividing -- this under the guise of heritage

house stunning

if I look at the little house, is that livable

all under guise looking for a variance

option to build a garage; wd have to have a heritage permit

know value in name, house and estate

allowing subdivision, very tight, last one was 47ft, this down to 52ft and other divided in two ???

VV: must say Cclr Sop has touched on subject dear to me

house and growth have to be on our agenda

potentially how many more lots are there according to lot sizes allowed now

wd like us to have data, debate and set policy; before indiv projects of this kind

Mayor: if no house on lot cd be subdivided?

SJN: yes it cd and without coming to  Ccl

Mayor: risk may no longer have the house and the Spencer Estate

all know how hard the Heritage Working group worked for this

but think Cclr Smith makes a good point and see the house, may not want to tear down

RD: just go out to Piccadilly and you'll see attractive houses were built and replaced by big homes

heritage revitalization agreement, first one, make sure other house will be compatible with it, a coach house

overall same amt of footage, somewhat diff, but key here is second house wd fit

ensure in long term Spencer House wd survive; without this not sure wd survive, might be torn down

JF: I'll be supporting this with some reservations, can see Cclr Smith's point

important to recognise have a strategy, and a precedent

density in already developed nbrhds, leave green space as green as possible

important support this heritage strategy so we can maintain

Cclr Day is right, no incentive -- happening all the time, [they] build another for a lot more money

satisfy our own need to supply smaller houses

VV: just want to say that I'm surprised and concerned to have major decisions re subdivisions made by staff whereas small items like roofs, overhangs with trivial effects on M as a whole [us] -- we shd swap -- they decide that and we on subdivision with greater effect

SJN: Ccl does decide by establishing zoning and Subdivision Officer, Approving Officer if it doesn't comply doesn't approve

Mayor: when we look at zoning bylaw; think of best interests of cmnty

RD: Ccl just passed the Heritage Strategic Plan

note the [lot's] sq ftg is .82 -- almost an acre -- so that means you cd put a 15Ksf house on this -- that wd be a major inducement; that wd be a huge house, huge impact on Westdean Crescent

think carefully about what can happen

not sure what can happen when you can make that kind of money

here's an opp to save that...; here's opp for house that fits in

think we shd pass this and nbrs wd be furious if that house goes and huge one instead of two that fit in

Sop: in report says there cd be an interim garage, recorded as sgl, separate

SJN: both lots, there's a provision in the bylaws that can be assessed as single lot

if single dwelling cd not, wd be a sep lot

Sop: so why not build a garage and leave as one

SJN: [owners] want value of second lot

sounds a bit backward, have to have orig primary bldg to build a garage

Sop in diagram of two lots, two storey on second lot B -- how large cd that house be?

SJN: not sure;

Sop: p 61, Appendix C, just says bldg envelope

talking about actual house

PASSED

...MOVED THAT Heritage Revitalization Agreement (2089 Westdean Crescent) Bylaw No. 4484, 2006 be read a first, second and third time on October 2, 2006.

Sop: why rereading?

SSch: so when coming forward?

...MOVED THAT the requirement of a minimum highway frontage of 10% of lot perimeter, per Section 944 of the Local Government Act, be waived for proposed Lot "B".

Sop: what does it say? maximum?

SJN: lot frontage can't be less than 10% of any lot

CARRIED

8:54

Mayor: looks like a guest has joined us

Fiona [didn't hear last name]: been asked to introduce the bylaw

This outlines how three Ms will work together in event of a disaster affecting one of the three

Sop: perceived if disaster no boundaries?

Ans: thinking of Katrina, disaster knows no boundaries

Sop: secondly, emergency measures paramount -- most ppl do not know what to expect even though told over and over

be on their own for 72 hours? shd be prepared for 72 hours?

Ans: attempting to make public aware shd be prepared for 72 hours, courses and materials available

Sop: we fund on triM basis, in a major disaster, wd there be an expectation support the cause anywhere east of Cap River

CAO: for many years Emerg ofc and bylaws, what we're trying to do here, based on exp seen around the world, trying to finetune

always assumed ofc for all three; this bylaw envisions how this wd work

as with landslide issue, have to operate an Emerg ofc arorund the clock; enable them to operate 24 hours and move help where needed

if pandemic, earthquake, fire different; hoping to have a model that can be used throughout GVRD

RD: I sit on the Emerg Cmte, sat for four years and want to echo what Mr Stuart said

fortunate to have this; not just employees but volunteers; refining coordination; can sleep better at night

forest fires, toxic substances, etc, no boundaries, key to plan ahead

see what happened in Katrina when don't plan ahead

glad to be on cmte, thank you for what you do

Sop: conflict between bylaw tonight and Emerg, then Natural Disaster takes precedence

when two or more then Disaster plan will apply

Sop: no doubt entering into correct world

just asking amount of money expected from taxpayers

CAO: no; cost paid by M; no add'l cost or charges

this spells out with more clarity how to handle emergencies of greater scope

Sop: who pays for it? Ms? Prov?

we fund the emrg services bldg; do we all pay together?

CAO: whenever greater than local, can declare state of Emerg; to Prov for reimbursement of those costs; same for a NShore-wide disaster

provides us with legislative authority, then access Prov

Sop: so open ticket?  we're going to have to pay one or the other

CAO: most cases, we'd make application for reimbursement of our expenses so none of that has changed

Mayor: responsible govt

...MOVED the North Shore Disaster Bylaw No. 4485, 2006 be read a first, second and third time. 

CARRIED

9:06 ADDITIONS to Agenda

Mayor: due to UBCM conference many of us will be at.

9:07

CORRESPONDENCE FOR CONSENT AGENDA [listed in previous WVM]

* RD: N Sh Heritage Weekend; antique cars; heritage home tour; exhibit Living on Edge of modernist homes well-received; thanks again those involved, [thanks to staff] Stephen Mikicich again

* MS: last Wed morning attended Ch of Comm breakfast; Rick Amantea of Park Royal on retail trends

spoke specifically about Amb Town Ctr Plan - wd only be successful if two or three blocks rather than six or seven blocks

* JF: as Ccl's liaison to the Lib Bd, a couple of pieces of info

* JC: last Tuesday attended regular mtg of FSTF

NSNews had notification of mtg Sept 26

Wed morning School Traffic Cmte's signage substantially completed; two for next year

over winter developing progs with BCAA

NSh Transp adv cmte mtg; point out to Cclr Smith, will be mitigating circumstances; want special presentation for Ms

Mayor: did you weigh in?

JC: did

Mayor: thanks

* Mayor:  off to speak to a little gathering and one of the clients in 1960 [of an architect re house in WV Museum exhibit] -- just build us something open, outdoorsy, and inexpensive

core values of WV; quite a bit of interest in exhibit

big day Sunday, Paralympics logo at Whistler -- those two flags had never flown together; Mayor Sullivan there, never seen them before, proud....

talks going well re Kay Meek Ctr

9:15

Hank Jasper: I'm Gen Mgr of Millennium Devt; we're party to the debate earlier on Ev Dr

wish to seek some clarification as to what took place

referral to Ccl re report, vote 4 to 2 in regard to proceeding with bylaws for Option C

believed option had been passed; then another motion without a seconder; debate

then debate as to whether orig motion shd continue, whether wd carry in future re 5 to 1 vote

our understanding is majority is majority; believe that shd go ahead

clarify; quite confused

Mayor: Mr Stuart

CAO: Option C passed; also report back on possibility of reducing those numbers

did make reference to requiring five votes

must be a majority -- used to be five, now four

RD: we were under the impression of five to one

wd have shortened debate

CAO: Ccl has asked us to bring back Option C and to bring back a report bringing down to 300

we did want to do that

Ccl has option to consider that

Mayor: report will come back next Monday re 300; also impact on housing choice and variety

HJ: and status

CAO: Ccl has directed staff report, on option C, and Ccl can choose to vary that

HJ:  and PH hearing date remains?

CAO: Ccl can provide [info]

CR (shuffle, shuffle, as I come up): sorry

Carolanne Reynolds, Chair of the North Shore Heritage Forum and Editor of West Van Matters.

First of all, great news about streaming ccl mtgs even though Shaw will continue to broadcast starting from 9pm on Tuesdays.

Now my questions:

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Are there plans to enable copy and paste from agenda items?
Mayor: not sure what you mean by that question

CR: Right now on the website when you go to the agenda, if you want to copy and paste, say the minutes or something from the correspondence, it's impossible to do so. I brought this up a couple of years ago and I was under the impression that many ppl were not aware it was not possible to be done and that something wd be done and since it hasn't yet, just asking when it wd be done.

SSch/MClk: I am not aware of any plans to change the current process.  At the time we scan in the agenda items including the unadopted minutes for posting to the web

CR: they're scanned in wch means they can't be copy and pasted.  That's the point that's being made.

SSch: That has always been our process.

Mayor: I'm not sure what the application is.  Certainly you can print out any piece of the agenda and the attached reports, I believe.

CR: Yes, but if you're trying to tell somebody what the motions were or whatever, you'd have to pay somebody to type them in or type it in yourself.  You can't copy and paste

It's actually more accurate faster and more efficient if you can actually copy and paste what is produced.

The CAO has, ah, I've explained this to him as well, and perhaps he cd say when this cd be done or if it's not going to be done at all

CAO: As I understand it, and I have asked on a couple of occasions, it's really a question of who does the extra work.  Scanning is the quickest and fastest and easiest way for staff to get this material  onto the web.  So it really comes down to a question shd we be amending the processes so it wd appear, anyway at this point, that a limited number of residents have a need to do copy and pasting off our webpage.  We can provide add'l info to Ccl but at this point the Clerk has indicated she has indicated she does not want to change that process

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Last week in Correspondence under Responses there was a letter [from staff] saying that there will be a 20ft tree replacing the 120-year-old 80ft fir removed during the construction of The Argyle (2100block).  The removal and agreement of an inferior specimen in its place apparently took place perhaps approved by staff although there was an arborist's report that the fir wd survive and there was some understanding that retention of the tree was a condition of the multifamily devt.  The letter, however, does not explain why the tree, a condition, was removed without the knowledge or approval evidently of either Council or the concerned neighbours who brought this up.  My request then and now is to seek clarification of what process was followed that allowed that, what process is in place now, and what steps are being taken to avoid this in future.

Appropriate compensation by the developer is a separate matter.

Residents do not appreciate going through a public hearing, being given certain assurances, and then find they have been ignored and changed without even notice.

Now I do know that Ccl was not aware of this either so I think the important thing is for the process to be clear for Ccl and the public, to know how this works

Mayor: well, the process-- yes, go ahead.

CAO: Quite simply, we had requested that the tree be kept.  During the more detailed design stage, it became evident that that wasn't going to be successful.  Staff were in process of preparing a report to Ccl,

and the dvpr went ahead and cut the tree down without our permission and prior to [our] reporting to Ccl.  Notwithstanding that, we wd have recommended that in fact the tree be replaced and the restitution is consistent with what we wd have got if we had gone to court as a result of somebody illegally cutting down a tree.

Mayor: the process that was in place didn't serve us well, but we believe we've achieved the

the best we cd have had we taken legal action

CR: So later I can find out, get the details of the process, so we have it clear so that we know in future.  Thank you.

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CR: As for the regrooming of the creek that Cclr Sop brought up, I wd like to know who pays for those plants and the work that's being done.

Mayor: property owner I believe

CR: it wasn't clear.

CAO: yes, the property owner, that's correct.

CR: thank you very much

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CR: and lastly, I want to thank you very much for all the time and attention you've paid with the Evelyn Creek issue, sorry, Evelyn Drive issue.  Of course in answer to my question about, again, wanting to know the process in the future, it was reassuring -- and I was glad to hear [in answer to my question] on Wed night, and I think it was reiterated by Ms Boyle tonight -- that during the process we will be able to see models and designs so that we can have input b/c as several of us said, you can have a bad small devt and a good big one and whatever it is, whatever size it is you decide on, I think we all agree we want a design worthy of WV so it was reassuring to hear that they will [be on view for the public].  I hope those models will be available for the public to look at and have input from -- And that's the impression I got from you, Mayor Goldsmith-Jones

Mayor: Yes. Thank you.  Anyone further?

NO? then ADJOURNMENT [9:35}

15.  PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS   //   16.  ADJOURNMENT

THE VALUE OF MONARCHY.....

As many of you know, I'm a staunch monarchist.  Well, this week gave another example of one of the advantages of having a (constitutional) monarchy.  You will have heard that there was a coup in Thailand.  The military overthrew an unpopular, said to be corrupt, Prime Minister  (Thaksin Shinawatra) after an election this spring some say fraudulent.  The military immediately declared their loyalty to the monarch, King Bhumibol Adujlyadej, who is the world's longest reigning monarch.  This avoids a civil war and enables continuity and a transition.  The King was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and educated in Switzerland.  Sometimes a democratically elected govt that is hugely disliked can only be replaced by a monarch doing something (in Australia the Governor General refused to sign a money supply bill, thus forcing an election terminating PM Gough Whitlam's govt, much to the delight of most Australians).

From Wikipedia:

Because we don't understand the brain very well we're constantly tempted to use the latest technology as a model for trying to understand it. In my childhood we were always assured that the brain was a telephone switchboard. (What else could it be?) And I was amused to see that Sherrington, the great British neuroscientist, thought that the brain worked like a telegraph system. Freud often compared the brain to hydraulic and electromagnetic systems. Leibniz compared it to a mill, and now, obviously, the metaphor is the digital computer.

                -- John R. Searle, philosophy professor (1932 - )

Those who would question the present should investigate the past.  Those who do not understand what is to come should look at what has gone before.

                --  The Guanzi (Ancient Chinese writings)

Rare is the person who can weigh the faults of others without putting his thumb on the scales.

                -- Byron J. Langenfeld

Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) was an American satirist, critic, poet, short story writer, editor, and journalist. His clear style and lack of sentimentality have kept him popular when many of his contemporaries have become obscure. His dark, sardonic views and vehemence as a critic, earned him the nickname "Bitter Bierce"...

Marriage: a community consisting of a master, a mistress, and two slaves, making in all, two.