NOTES Sept 18
Cal to Oct 3

by Carolanne Reynolds, Editor

Hope you enjoyed the North Shore Heritage Weekend! and all those other events!
*** EVELYN DRIVE DEVT discussed for an hour on 18th, then the Evelyn Drive circus continues Monday 25th -- the staff report is already available!
*  Here's the item:
3.         Evelyn Drive Planning Area - 300 Unit Option (File:  2515?22)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report from the Manager, Community Planning dated September 19, 2006 regarding the option of redeveloping the Evelyn Drive Planning Area to a Floor Area Ratio of 0.65 and 300 units be received.
*  Here's the url:

= Main Items Sept 25: Evelyn Drive 300-unit Staff Report; Clovelly-Caulfeild Nbrhd Plan; public mtg waived for 2533 Garden Court DPA and permit to be issued!; Alteration Permit (4769 The Highway); Waiving notice for subdivision of 2185 25th???; Extension of Noise Non-Enforcement at The Argyle (where tree removed without permission); WVCAC $25K fee for service; M and trees in Correspondence 13.4 and watercourses 13.5
= Calendar to Oct 3rd (Affordable Housing/Design Course); UPDATES (Mayor's Quarterly Report; Squamish Sculpture for WV selected);  Sept 18 Ccl Mtg NOTES (Evelyn Drive debate); Sept 25 AGENDA; INFObit (The Value of Monarchy); Quotations

Do you like to paint?
At the WV Streamkeepers AGM Sept 21, it was reported that volunteers -- ppl, kids, cubs, scouts, anyone handy with a paintbrush -- are needed to paint storm drains.  You've seen those yellow fish.  All paint and materials will be supplied.  Please call 604 628 1123 to set up a time with others and paint detail leader!  You might even get lunch.......

***  DO YOU LIKE TO DESIGN?    Attention Youth Artists
West Vancouver is looking for local youth artists to design an original ICON that will represent the youth of West Vancouver for the next four years!
This Icon will be an image that will be displayed on all brochures, posters and at special events so all West Vancouver Youth can have a common image to relate to. Youth are involved with tons of cool initiatives in this community and we want to proudly display an image that tells the entire community that youth are spirited and valuable contributors and making a difference in West Vancouver!
Who? Any West Vancouver resident between the ages of 13 to 18 years of age. Any youth in grades 8 through 12 attending a West Vancouver School.
Honorarium: There will be a $100.00 honorarium to the artist who creates the chosen icon
The Guidelines...
Artist Info:
        *       Original artwork must be titled and labelled clearly as to name, school, grade, and telephone number
        *       Please include a short biography and description of the icon submitted
Sheet size:
        *       Minimum: 5 x 7 (inches) Maximum: 11 x 17 (inches)
Preferred Medium:
        *       Hand drawn or painted illustration
        *       Computer generated illustration
        *       Printed illustration
        *       Work should be mounted on card stock or foam core
Deadline for Submission:
        *       The closing date for submissions is October 13th at 5:00 pm.
        *       Submissions may be dropped off at 1538 Fulton Avenue, West Vancouver, from Tuesday, October 10th to Friday, October 13th between 3 and 5 pm each day
        *       the District will keep submissions for one month for display purposes
Contact Info:  Please contact Christie O'Krainetz, Community Engagement-Youth Coordinator at 925-7194 or by email

===  CALENDAR to Oct = 3rd  ===
        Ambleside (Sunday) and Dundarave (Saturday) Farmers' Markets still on on weekends!
===  Friday, Sept 22  === = Additional mtgs called:
~ 2 - 4pm ~ FSTF Economics subcmte mtg in Musto Room at Library, followed by
~ 4 - 5pm ~ FSTF Best Practices subcmte mtg in Musto Room at Library
then, as in last WVM 7:30pm North Shore Celtic Ensemble also at the Library

===  Sunday, Sept 24  === =  Closing night for Bard on the Beach!

+  RIVERS DAY -- Celebrate throughout BC!

+  "Walk for Heart" in Ambleside Park, 10am
A fun-filled walk in support of the Heart & Stroke Foundation where friends and families raise funds and increase awareness of heart disease, the leading cause of death among women. For more information or to register visit www.heartandstroke.ca or call 604-983-8492.
*** Here's a note from our MLA, Ralph Sultan, who had a little 'turn' himself as you know:
Pease support me in the Cheerios Heart & Stroke Walk for Heart on Sunday, September 24, 2006 at 10am at Ambleside Park in West Vancouver.  Walk either 3 km or 5 km -- whatever your heart can take.  Meet my team, Ralph's Ramblers at 9:30 am for a warm-up.
If you want to join me and Ralph's Ramblers for the walk, all you need to do is go to www.heartandstroke.ca/walk and click on Register, British Columbia, West Vancouver, then Create your user ID now.  Look for the Ralph's Ramblers Team after you complete the personal information page and sign up with either the registration fee (it only costs $15), or raise $100 and waive the registration fee.  Be sure to enter as a Team member.  If you don't want to walk but still want to support me, you can pledge me online through the following link:
The Ambleside West Vancouver Walk is currently the fourth highest fundraiser Walk in all of Canada - only behind narrowly behind Calgary, Edmonton and Ottawa!  So let's make the #1 spot!!!
Thanks so much and hope to see you then!
Ralph Sultan
Co-Chair for the Cheerios Heart & Stroke Walk for Heart - Sunday, September 24th, 2006 at Ambleside Park

Selected artists=92 work will be scheduled for an exhibit at the FERRY BUILDING GALLERY in 2007.  [Requirement details in last issue.] For more information, please call 925-7290
LOCATION:    West Vancouver Seniors' Centre Activity Room, 21st Street/Marine Drive

===  Monday, Sept 25  ===  Ccl mtg 7pm, but note the Tax Sale will be held in the Ccl Chambers, 10 am

===  Tuesday, Sept 26  ===
~ 7 - 10pm ~ FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY TASK FORCE meeting in Ccl Chamber -- update, presentation, public input!  See background, answer questions at http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?aF61&c=690

===  Thursday, Sept 28  ===
~ 4:30 - 6:30pm ~ DAC; and ~ 5 - 7pm ~ NSACDI at CNV Municipal Hall

===  Friday, Sept 29  ===
~ 6 - 8pm ~ Opening Reception at the FBG for exhibit, "Connexions" - Arnt Arntzen, metal furniture; Richard Tetrault, paintings.  Exhibit closes October 19

===  Monday, Oct 2nd  ===
Permissive Tax Exemptions
Council will consider a bylaw to provide tax exemptions to certain properties on October 2nd (at Ccl Mtg)

===  Tuesday, Oct 3rd  ===
~ 3:45pm ~ Civic Youth Strategy Working Group at the Srs' Ctr [DWV Calendar revised]
~ 4:30pm? Check to see if FISCAL SUSTAINABILITY TASK FORCE meeting

***  AFFORDABLE DESIGN/HOUSING - advance notice

See below for the City Program's upcoming courses and events; check SFU's website at http://www.sfu.ca/city
Some new developments:  The "Affordability by Design Public Lecture" on October 19 now features Karrie Jacobs who speaks on "The Perfect $100,000 House - A Search for Great Affordable Housing". This lecture is part of the Affordability by Design Conference on October 20, which features an exciting list of speakers. The conference focuses on affordable housing solutions.
        -Urban Design: Theory and Practice, September 29-30
        -Urban Design: Economic Fundamentals, November 3-4
        -Urban Design: Planning for Transportation and Accessibility, November 17-18
        -Urban Design: Visual Communication, December 1-2
        -Engineering for Planners, Planning for Engineers, November 24
        -Community Design and Children's Development, November 24
        -Affordability by Design Workshop, October 20
Free Public Lectures
-Affordability by Design Public Lecture, The Perfect $100,000 House, October 19
-A Talk With Brent Toderian--the City of Vancouver's new Director of Planning, November 2
Philosophers' Caf=E9s
-Four Philosophers' Caf=E9s: October 11, November 22, April 12 , May 3

===  Mayor's Quarterly Report to the Community  ===
In this issue:
        * Community Connections
        * Corporate Business Plan
        * Fiscal Sustainability Task Force
        * 2007 Budget Process
        * Finance and Audit Committee
        * Arts & Culture       
        * Sustainable Development
**   Connecting with the Community
       Council is entering the final few months of its first year. So far, we have dedicated ourselves to streamlining and opening up local government, so that Council and staff can continue to be connected to the community.
       New this fall, the District will offer online, streaming video of Council Meetings. Website visitors will be able to watch Council Meetings live online, or they can watch video clips posted to meeting agendas the next day. The District will also introduce listserves - sign up for the topics that interest you, and you will be communicated to via e-mail.
       As we offer civic engagement through expanded technology, we are also offering Town Hall Meetings, Open Houses and a greater number of working groups (appointed by Council), so that involvement continues to be hands-on for those who have the time and the interest. Changes to our Advisory Committee Structure have freed up the resources required to offer variety and new opportunities for the public to connect to Council and staff. We are interested in your feedback on these changes, as our goal is to do our best to represent you.
**   Business Plan - West Vancouver's Sustainable Future
       It has taken us a few extra months to draft our 2006 - 2008 Business Plan because we are situating our short term objectives in the context of what is also best in the long run. West Vancouver is known for prudent local government, so this is not unusual.
However, the pressure on our property taxes brings the fiscal sustainability of the community into relief. Please view the Business Plan, and e-mail your comments to us.
*   Fiscal Sustainability Task Force
       A dedicated group of five citizens have been working on a weekly basis since last spring (including during the summer) to dig into the municipality's finances to ensure that you are getting good value for the taxes you pay.
       They will be making recommendations for ways to deliver services in as efficient and effective way as possible. Their report will dovetail with Council's budget process this fall. If you would like to help prioritize fiscal issues, please attend a public meeting in Council Chambers at 7:00pm on Tuesday, September 26th.
*   Finance and Audit Select Committee
At the same time, Councillors Clark, Smith and I have been working through this committee to ensure that year-to-date finances are reported quarterly (beginning in September), that staff compensation is understood and disclosed (within Freedom of Information and Privacy legislation), and that we may undertake to present to the community its choices with regard to subsidies, and the management of its cash and fixed assets.
*   2007 Budget Process
       The Business Plan, and these two committees above, will form the foundation of our budget debate for 2007.  Council is looking forward to the community input received from the Fiscal Sustainability Task Force, and will conduct its budget discussions in public for your approval.
**   Sustainable Development and Neighbourhood Character
*   Evelyn Drive Town Hall Meeting
       The Evelyn Drive Guidance Committee has completed its work. The group represents a full spectrum of views with regard to increased density for Evelyn Drive. Ray Spaxman was hired by the District to chair the Committee, and the recommendations represent a compromise by all.
       On September 13th almost 200 residents attended the Town Hall Meeting, and many offered their views. Council will consider and debate this input at a September Council Meeting. If Council votes to change the zoning for Evelyn Drive, a public hearing on rezoning could be scheduled in late-October.
*   The Arts in Ambleside
       In Ambleside - Staff are coming forward this fall with a concept plan for Ambleside Park, for the Arts on Argyle, and for the commercial district so that we can realize how the three may work together to generate a focal point for community life. Much technical work has gone into understanding what will work. Council's role will be to create policy that will attract investment and renewal, while keeping to the village scale that we all value. Proposals for a Class A art gallery, and for expansion of the Ferry Building Gallery are supported by Council, and central to the community's interest in enlivening the village.
*   Balanced Development in the Upper Lands
       For Rodgers Creek above the Upper Levels - British Pacific Properties is planning its next development parcel. Council believes that the community is wishing to see better planning above the highway, and that the public will support policy that respects the natural environment, and that provides more varied housing to West Vancouver. A community advisory group will be struck by Council this fall, to work with British Pacific Properties and staff, to make recommendations to Council.
*   Neighbourhood  Character
       In the Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood - The community group working on balanced redevelopment in their neighbourhood will be reporting to Council this fall. We expect that their recommendations may have implications for the community as a whole with regard to blasting limits and soil removal, for example.
        Kiwanis Seniors' Housing - As of October 1st, independent and assisted living residents will be settled in the new Kiwanis Housing development on 21st just south of the School Board offices. This is a significant and much needed contribution to our housing stock. Council salutes the Kiwanis Club and the Provincial Government for its support.
*   The New Community Centre
       Construction at the Civic Centre site is well underway as the excavation phase of the project has been completed.  Now the focus is work up to the grade level including formwork and concrete placement for foundations and the parkade.
       We are using a construction management approach for this project which facilitates design and construction integration while retaining maximum flexibility and control over the construction process. Our project team includes both a project manager and a construction manager who work closely with District staff, the consultants, and trades to optimize value and manage risks.  The goal for the project is cost containment and quality control.
**   Arts & Culture
Kay Meek Centre - Council and the School Board, along with the Kay Meek Trust, are thrilled to announce the appointment of the Centre's new Executive Director, Paul Gravett. Paul's references for the job included pianist Jane Coop and Joanne Harada from the Vancouver Symphony.
We are most fortunate to have attracted Paul to West Vancouver, and look forward to supporting his vision for the Kay Meek Centre.
Cultural Capitals - We are partway through our year as a Cultural Capital of Canada. Adjudication on the Squamish Nation public art sculpture takes place in September. The Harmony Arts Festival w= as its usual success, with the largest crowd ever packing John Lawson Park for the Spirit of the West concert, recorded live for CBC Radio Two.
In November, communities from the Sea to Sky corridor will come together to strengthen the arts from here to Pemberton, and around Howe Sound as well.
West Coast Art Gallery Proposal - Pre-eminent local artist and resident Gordon Smith (and friends), have proposed that West Vancouver is ready for a Class A art gallery in Ambleside village. Council will strike a steering committee to bring this idea to fruition as part of its support for the arts, and the need to improve Ambleside.

Mayor Pamela Goldsmith-Jones

Squamish Nation Sculpture Design Selected for Ambleside Park
West Vancouver, BC:  The Squamish Nation Sculpture Symposium Selection Panel is very excited to announce their unanimous endorsement of a contemporary sculpture design submitted by Xwa-lack-tun (Rick Harry), a Squamish Nation artist whose works are recognized internationally.  The sculpture proposal was submitted in response to the Call for Squamish Nation Artists issued in June.  Three Squamish Nation artists were short-listed in July, and their proposals were exhibited for public input in August.

The proposed sculpture will be situated near the entrance to Ambleside Park at 13th Street to welcome all park visitors =96 both residents and visitors alike.  The design echoes the [Lions'] Gate Bridge which was named after The Lions, two peaks that the Squamish people call the "The Twin" or "Sisters".  The place name for the range is Ch'ich'iyuy, the Twins and speaks to how twin Squamish high born sisters helped bring peace between the Squamish and Haida people.  Two upright paddles are incorporated into the design to represent mutual respect.  Between the paddles is a Squamish Thunderbird head which is the symbol for the Squamish Nation.  In the background, the great canoe represents a journey together to build a foundation for future generations within the communities of West Vancouver and the Squamish Nation.
The installation was designed to blend into its natural surroundings without obstructing waterfront views.  The sculpture will be cut from an 8=92 high, 20=92 wide, and 1=94 thick steel plate.  The steel sculpture will offer ever-changing impressions for park visitors as evolving shadows are cast by the journey of the sun across the sky through the changing seasons.  At the base will be a traditional Medicine Garden that can be used to teach the public about indigenous plants and their uses.  Brickwork will form the exterior wall of the garden patterned to create the impression of a woven cedar Squamish Basket.
Xwa-lack-tun was born in Squamish and currently resides in the Xwemelchstn community in West Vancouver.  He received his education from Emily Carr College of Art and Capilano College. Xwa-lack-tun has recently returned from a trip to Scotland where he was invited to demonstrate his unique carving techniques to promote the country's totem pole project.  He and his team are excited about this opportunity to create and develop new expressions of Squamish Art right at home.
The Selection Panel consists of five highly respected members of the First Nations arts community including museum curator Bill McLennan; gallery owner Douglas Reynolds; prominent art collector Michael Audain; Deborah Jacobs (Snitelwet) who is a Squamish Nation educator; and Lyle Wilson, a [practising] artist.  This committee was tasked with the responsibility of choosing a design proposal under a set of selection criteria.  =93The design reflects Coast Salish tradition in contemporary art form.  It will be a beautiful and unique landmark for West Vancouver=94 commented Bill McLennan, Curator from the Museum of Anthropology at the University of British Columbia.
West Vancouver has been designated as one of the 2006 Cultural Capitals of Canada by the Department of Canadian Heritage.  The designation comes with a $500,000 grant for projects and activities that celebrate and leave a legacy for arts and culture in the community.  Commissioned through the Cultural Capital Program, this new Coast Salish public sculpture is expected to be installed at  [the entrance of] West Vancouver Ambleside Park early March, 2007.
A lecture symposium and exhibition, to coincide with the timing of the installation, is being planned.  Visit the District website at www.westvancouver.ca/culturalcapital for updates on the Cultural Capitals of Canada program and the Sculpture Symposium project Comments are also welcome at www.wvculturalcapital.blogspot.com, the West Vancouver Cultural Capital Blog.

===  Sept 18th CCL Mt= g NOTES  ===

Mayor: Welcome to our Ccl mtg, wch I'd like to call to order
let everybody know, a first for WV tonight -- we now have live streaming of our ccl mtgs available on your PC at home and to give us a bit more of an understanding of what that means, I'd like to go to
Sheila Scholes, our Clerk, who's been working v hard on this for a few months
SSch, MClk: v plsd able to offer this service to our website visitors
We have a home page for the live video streaming on the District's website and instructions on how to access it both for Real Media Player PC Windows and the Mac environment
We're being streamed at this moment, and the ccl mtgs from this moment on will be streamed to the website
On Tuesdays and Thursdays we will be attaching video clips to agenda items applied to web version of agenda and minutes.  All those clips will be archived so you can go back at any time and view the ccl in progress for the particular item
Add: Item 8.1 cancellation of Oct 23 cmte of the whole; rescheduling of Oct 30 regular ccl mtg; letters re Ev Dr
2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES --  No items presented.
Mayor: No minutes tonight; welcome to speak to any item; very good town hall mtg last week; not intending to hear more unless something not heard or from someone who was not able to attend.

3.         M. Webb, July 06, 2006, regarding North Shore Spring Bear Fest
Mick Webb: re NSh bear situation; hope will be helpful re bear management
handled well by staff, sometimes intervention by conservation officer required
relocation and hazing limited success and extremely stressful, sometimes fatal; not all bears respond
death by bullet ofcr reluctant to perform, outrage from cmnty
root cause of problem:
= garbage bringing bears in, and into their territory
= poorly handled attractants entice them into our nbrhds
immoral when results in death of bear
look to ourselves; I feel by education; coexist with them; appreciate role of the bears
this is bear country; something to be proud of, respected not feared
Volunteers formed the NSh Spring Bear Festival Society registered in Victoria [read constitution]
2007 Apr 22 to 29, whole week of bear education
Ben Killam from New Hampshire coming, successful rehabilitation, featured by National Geographic
[gave various events planned]
open family day in Ambleside Park at end, barbecue, etc
Our vision that NSh be an example to coexist with bears, and to visitors [possible]
support from staff so far appreciated
Sop: what kind of support so far?
Ans: you've provided $3K in form of a grant, in kind
facilities and events in Ambleside park
Sop: where will event be held this year?
Ans: Ambleside Park

REPORTS  --  Bylaws are passed by a simple majority vote unless otherwise noted. 
4.         Report on Town Hall Meeting re Evelyn Drive Area Plan
            To be provided on table.
Sop: may I be excused
Mayor: state your conflict b/c start of process
Sop: when process started; my son (realtor) informed me approached to market for Millennium so after legal advice, withdrew; been so since beginning
--> Mayor: I have one person who didn't speak last week who wishes to
Andrew XXX (sp?): live in area
most important for me; one of three best places in world
some say we are downtown of WV, brings responsibility; how do as 'well' as possible
GBoyle: over 200 ppl, 32 ppl spoke, three issues
first: appropriate density, no consensus; most 350 or less
strive for livability; need for diversity; concern economics wd drive Ccl's decision
Second: pretty well consensus wanting Ccl to move forward whatever b/c created uncertainty and area has really deteriorated, issues of vandalism; not an area WV can take pride in at this point and ppl want to take pride in WV
3rd a lot of diff issues
all about how you put it together once you get through density
cmnty wants to be able to speak about it with pride; ev looking forward to it with pride
some high level decisions but still opp
Process: if given some idea we're suggesting come back mid-Nov with PH starting Nov 6
devpr come with masterplan acceptable and then go forward
masterplan big, a vision document, will still need a bldg permit
a lot to be done but tried to give you an idea
another re next steps:
concerns expressed about demolition taking place in area and so far been boarded up and staff has asked for a traffic mgmt plan re demolition to be approved by Traffic Mgr; owners to be given two weeks' notice
Our recommendation is to move forward with Option C
bylaw will be more complicated than 350 and will come with a Cmnty Benefit pkg
affordable houses defined in a variety of ways
-->  RD: at first 500+ units; Ccl called on consultant, Ray Spaxman; chaired a cmte of nine (EDGC); spent time deliberating and came to a consensus Option C, 355; some less, some more.
Now asking Ccl to draw up motion re plan and go to PH
Ccl has looked v closely at this and various options, no unanimous position on Ccl, some leaned toward Option B and some more but as with cmte, feeling Option C balanced approach to lead to a good devt: housing choice, diversity, cmnty benefits
without being a highly dense devt than original 550
the key is not the sqftage, but the quality and livability of the devt
that is why we're looking at a master plan, Ccl and staff wd cooperate with devpr to get a really good one for WV.
Motion: staff prepare..... PH tentatively set for Nov 6, on basis of Option C
housing choice and variety commensurate with density level of Option C
Mayor: Ccl will know that this is slightly different than printed on agenda

{Well, on their agenda; those circulated just said will be supplied on table
they really shd have an overhead projector into which motions and amendments can be typed for all to see as they're dealing with them.  It took five years for DWV to get on the web (we, Faximum, put West Van up in January 1995, DWV finally in 2000; now streaming but you can't copy and paste minutes as an agenda item) but can all the rest of the agenda except the Correspondence). }

-->  JC: traffic, affordability, diversity
attended presentation by Min of Transport and they showed mitigation plans for TWay and Marine Dr
plan to bring draft in mid-October and final plan end of Oct, then made public
if they come forward with what they showed last week, it will be restored
affordability -- Spaxman's report speaks of apts around 1000sf mark; affordability wd be fractured however if 800sf, wd be more units so comes into other contentious issue, density
comfortable with this
this is a project we all want to be proud of
up to staff to draft v tight restrictive conditions in their bylaws
up to devpr to deliver quality of design and construction
up to this Ccl to monitor ev aspect to make sure these things happen
*  JF: support, good motion; wd like to see brought back in masterplan or zoning, a percentage to be rental; not tied to 1000sf Spaxman suggests -- wd that be the av size?  My hope wd be for some smaller units
marriages fallen apart, parent wants to live close by, wants to participate; important for those ppl in our cmnty as well
also concerned with traffic-calming; look for direction from staff
Ccl need to look beyond this, traffic down to 13th has been a problem for a long time, hope traffic-calming can include that area
actual appearance and livability
moving ppl through the site; needs to be an opp for ppl who live there to congregate, meet and greet, get to know each other as nbrs; the site have the look and feel of WV about it
Really don't get to see WV until Park Royal and much as I like PR, I don't think it represents WV but this area behind it can typify in quality and style
whether achieved with devpr or zoning, that's my hope
-->  VV: quite a few issues shd be drawn to ppl's attention
this option, C, is Mr Spaxman's recommendation and taken as Ccl's but not the case
he's not responsible for traffic, precedent, and many things Ccl is responsible for
WRT the cmte, ppl voted around the table; taking a vote in that context is for information and is not a political mandate from the ppl
the residents on that cmte voted for the least so voted for B b/c told they cdn't vote for Option A b/c didn't comply with OCP
Although Mr Spaxman complied with his mandate, it did not with the OCP wch has controlled growth and that's ours
Traffic, with this number, 350 units, is just about 350 more than what is there now
terrific number to add to an area that already has traffic problems -- and maybe [something done to go] down TW but not LGB
Traffic-calming just slows the cars down
Do we really want more traffic? slower traffic?  what do residents think?
taxes will go up b/c not enough to pay for what's needed there
not [fewer] staff at M Hall
various views
there have been various professionals who have advocated high rise and high density and not allowing any sgl fam in area, therefore not maximizing area's potential
correct re profitability, maximizes financial concern, but the mistake IMO is that they regard it as downtown but OCP has no downtown, always a high quality residential suburb
Others spoke about high density b/c still under illusion that ppl who can't afford to buy at prices now will be able to buy with this density.  That simply will not be true.  I asked Mr Spaxman in this Ccl Chamber.  He was very clear, that will not be the case; it will be units at market value.
We're proposing to continue as if not having had this study
traffic -- this is of no benefit to rest of the population; this does not improve the quality of life for WV residents -- so back to why do this? no low-cost housing
points that come up is we're ageing, support families
when proposed, thought accept duplexes, if up to 200
won't solve problem; this will be bought by empty-nesters
as ratio, small families will be an even smaller number
so if really for small families, wd not have looked at Ev Dr, a difficult sloping site; so I'm looking for a reason after the Spaxman study why we are doing this
surprised so much not what we wanted
right at the beginning, to add one new unit a new entrance has to be made, a requirement of the Prov
increase maybe to 100 or 200 and affordable to seniors wanting to downsize, small families
That reason public gave/wanted and it doesn't exist.
70% didn't want it, survey; those who advocated this were not elected
Synovate: traffic and devt; an OCP says not to grow at this rate
said we'd only grow under certain conditions and we don't have them!
if this passes this evening it requires only a simple majority but if it comes back after PH, requires five votes

{this was debated later too; definitive answer coming Monday night; simple majority of those present may be all required.}

merry go round
All of those objecting will be back and will fail again; all we have to do is not pass this motion
Devpr cd start to develop
Fellow Ccl mbrs, how do you feel if we go through this and it fails again.
We have to see result and act in accordance with that.
-->  MS: I've really struggled with the whole way this has unfolded
resident chose not to sell, now ppl are living with abandoned houses, ppl digging up his plants
is that the way we want to live in WV?
cd live in a house, WV can say they're putting something in the OCP, rezoning, and that wd happen in my nbrhd, like a suburb of Beirut, Beirut subdivision  don't think acceptable in WV
If we're going to rezone, Ccl shd have had a study, written a report, come up with a plan, identify what the cmnty benefit was to be, decided what it was going to look like, then we cd have voted on it, and moved forward
unfortunately that didn't happen
think ev agrees something has to be done there
while I share a lot of the concerns of Cclr Vaughan, reality is the status quo there is not acceptable
still have reservations
driving there, coming back about 6pm, traffic backed up TW and past end PR Village -- while pleased to hear Cclr Clark say TWay and MDr will be fixed but have to see it to believe it; reality still have to deal with bridge
[7:52]I remember 50 years ago riding my bike down, TWay and MDrive was the only traffic light in the Municipality; the Blue bus didn't go past 33rd; no BC Ferry terminal; nobody knew where Sq was; Whistler hadn't been heard of; Bowen Island and Sunshine Coast were non-factors
situation now, 50 years later still trying to funnel ppl across that bridge
that's why our OCP calling for slow growth, 1 - 1.4% per year makes sense
philosophically agree probably shd undertake higher density to allow for fact region is rapidly growing, but surely that entitles us to rapid transport, bridges, roads, etc ev M has except the NSh
if we approve 350 units, 700 w/ two cars per unit, that's in advance of our stated 1% growth
still my big concern is that traffic
Spaxman says clearly in his report, several times, absolute maximum you cd have is 350 b/c of traffic, and Mr Spaxman is probably not as familiar with that street as the rest of us who live here -- ppl coming down Keith, etc.... step aside to avoid being blindsided by someone rocketing down TW, very tricky place to put to new road; really gives me grave concern and I don't know how to deal with it
traffic circles and calming, but most ppl have two cars, 700 more cars coming out of there
to summarize, if starting from scratch I'd say no until those issues addressed but we're not starting from scratch, the thing is rolling along with own momentum; area turning into an area of disrepair; something has to be done there
Read Spaxman report several times over weekend, highlights were 350 max for traffic; both B and C wd meet objectives of OCP and be livable; B is 255 units with .55FAR and C is 350 units with  =2E74FAR maybe solution, come up with something no one likes, split the difference -- probably the only thing I cd support is a B+ or C-, that is .65FAR with 300 units
[some applause]
I wd make a motion, that we change; an amendment .....change numbers to 300 and .65
--> Mayor: no seconder; so fails
so vote on main motion
really important to hear what Mr Spaxman has to say
he was away but recorded his remarks
[read them, in effect: 40 years of experience, delight in plan cmnty helped to produce; especially relevant plan, unique and valuable place to life; amazing variety of choice at the affordable end]
he never pretends affordable
OCP was passed and supported by cmnty as a whole
FAR of up to 1.0 was considered appropriate and this comes up underneath that
good work, nbrhd came up with B but stretched to C
ev single mbr of EDGC lived in WV, so no outside influence
I think this is a departure from traditional devt in WV and an exception so no threat as spot-rezoning
we were specific in OCP and this was one of limited options
I thought good questions came out from last week's mtg, what will come out of this?
momentum to move forward and what will it look like
design fitting and innovative, keeps scale so valued in WV
Ccl wants to keep the mix as in the past, families and seniors
my challenge to Millennium will be, like to see a model, sustainability, takes into account accessibility and diff lifestyles within .74 or perhaps some modification to that at next step
think this process has been excellent
been a year and everybody has acted in good faith; without a good design this won't succeed
really respect ppl have moved to this position, Option C
on the traffic side, a challenge, working with Sq Nation and MoT for the first time
keep the pressure up; been shortchanged by MoT
I'm going to support this
wd like to hear from planner if any other public benefit, and evidence of that; ev gets a sense of that from now on
-->  GB, planning staff: good sense of that from Ccl tonight
good starting point re drawing up bylaw
--> VV: when I am concerned about precedent-setting, I'm v well aware of what OCP says; get new ccl ev three years, new OCP ev four years, and once hint some bought properties
this has six-storey, eight-storey; OCP taken into consideration sometimes, not others
if you're in a residential area, be aware Ccls change, OCPs change, you will start to get ppl assembling properties, near a bus stop, etc.
ppl can make own mind up
but do know future can come fast
--> JF: Cclr Smith made comment but Mr Spaxman is a resident of WV
--> MS: not as long as I have
--> JF: no one has but he is a resident of WV
another, OCPs are a guideline and are reviewed and sometimes not until 15 years later
some ppl have money to invest in our cmnty; all the more intent on safeguarding what we have
--> RD: want to correct a few perceptions
this is not a incitement for rezoning
the OCP calls for up to 1.0FAR and there are a couple of others
if this passes, it will not lead to a lot more rezoning
in fact this is for 25% less than OCP calls for-- it's .74 not 1.0
it's next to a shopping area
to me, Option B or C is fine, as long as quality
consensus seems to be coming in around Option C, but the key is the quality of the devt
this is a good site for devt
40% of the housing in WV is multifamily already, most don't realize that

{thx, Rod, I pointed it out at Wednesday's mtg; you're right most don't know.}

build it in the right places
Option B or C, important to get on with it; provide some choice and variety and Option C provides more but I'm okay with B and C
--> VV: Cclr Day brings up a good point
WV 60% sgl family but getting 70% multifamily now
we're on our way to getting that; on our way to minority and won't even have the protection of majority
my OCP says Ccl is not obliged to act but can't act contrary without actually amending
we'd have to go back and amend all the way through
--> Mayor: not sure that's the case but can discuss that at the time.
--> RD: if we don't come with five [votes], this will fail again
--> MS: think it shd be .65 and 300 units
maybe Mr Stuart can help us with this
wd hv been better if Cclr Day had seconded it
--> RD: we don't want to be in position of not moving forward
stated clearly last week want to have something happen
if we pass this and just go ahead we're going to fail
seems the only thing we can do is amend retroactively or defeat it
--> Mayor: we don't have a motion on the floor, Mr Stuart:
--> CAO: if it's Ccl's desire to move forward; have staff report back next week
am a little concerned after spending $100K, doing a bit of planning on the fly
best professional advice
we understand what Cclr Smith said; best to ask Ccl to report back next week
--> MS: correct, no planning on the fly
... very carefully, said and read report several times; B and C acceptable
also said absolute maximum the road wd take is 300, so why not cut back, then spare capacity in the bank; it's not planning on the fly,
--> CAO: I understand; the choice and diversity; want that all, work if that's what wanted
--> Mayor: I don't see anything wrong with a staff report coming back wrt Cclr Smith's comments
interested in comments re choice and diversity; make motion and still have a report
--> CAO: whether passes or fails, can report back, and take into consideration.....
--> MS: being spoken at on both sides; can Ms Scholes help? Cclr Day now has one
--> SSch: as CAO said, Ccl can explore .65 FAR and report back next week
--> MS: that's my motion
--> JF: I'm absolutely perplexed!
just heard Cclr Day speak passionately, now all of a sudden wet feet
{I think she means 'cold feet'}
change of direction; ppl put their trust in this; cd understand if a couple of weeks had gone by but we've just seen this, here!
when proposal comes forward can propose change
we don't have scenario
completely puzzled by this reversal; it's a complete betrayal
--> RD: not a betrayal at all
Spaxman said both B and C acceptable and to me; but do not want to see this whole project flounder b/c we can't get five votes
let's save the project; can see if 355 won't work it'll die; I'm fine with 300 if that will pass
let's get on with it
--> VV: I just want to reiterate that the sgl fam gets on with it the fastest; can be implemented now
355 might fail
bothers me speaking it as if going to die as if a child
just going with Option A; nothing wrong with a nice new set of houses at Ev Dr
no reason to have a sense of failure; studying something, dealing with it, and moving on
--> JC: the resolution tonight was put forth by staff; now one by Ccl
I have no problem with another next week 350 or 300; we can come back with 325
--> Mayor: important to note no one for Option A
keep nbrhd character and Options D and E not acceptable
may not allow as much flexibility
if you can turn this around in a week, marvellous; maybe some choice and diversity
{See PQP No 4 at end of this meeting's notes for a bit more on Evelyn Drive.}

5.         Development Variance Permit No. 06-032 (6836 Copper Cove Road)
At the September 11, 2006 meeting, Council received the report dated August 21, 2006 from the Community Planner
name (name not heard) speaking on their renovation: have lived in cmnty over five years and active
have family close by, grandparents here and reason we've moved here
communication with neighbours
provide privacy; space in basement and attic; no intentions of flipping
started process in March and naivete, thought we cd start in summer
Moved: THAT the DVP Application, which would provide for additions and alterations to an existing home with variances to Front Yard and Side Yard be approved.
Sop: visited site today and a bit of an anomaly
the unopened road allowance, green, behind property
look at Madrona Place, abruptly upward
house relatively small and expansion basically on same footprint
to south some land available for a a yard for children
shd support this motion, cd go forward b/c of shape of lot
6.         Proposed Enhancements Within a Covenant Area (1555 Chippendale Court)
MOTION: THAT Creek Protection Area Covenant (BG130860) not be enforced to allow the removal of invasive species subject to landscaping being provided in accordance with proposed Development Permit 06-011 (1555 Chippendale Court).
Sop: curious; p 47 when they talk about removal of invasive species are they talking about down the slope from top of bank?
Mayor: Mr Stuart
CAO: within the creekbed so from creek to top, so replacing with native species
Sop: but here you have a large lot, invasive species (blackberry); it's regrooming
who decides what's native?
protection 5m from top of bank and now from there down to the creek
we leave the creeks and beds, natural reasons; shd not be grooming on creek bank
JF: I don't know what invasive species on that bank but in other places I know English ivy is throughout and bad and if it's that, important to rip out; not a native plant
ppl spend countless hours and fortunes ripping it out
I know a couple of women who go to Lighthouse Park ev week and spend time out of the goodness of their hearts pulling it out
Sop: blackberry
RD: I agree with Cclr Sop if English ivy
creeks have been altered by owners all over
the creek bed behind our house, staff has done a v good job
in my experience, been quite positive; staff been v conscientious to protect the creek env'mt but difficult where many variations over the years
Mayor: native species are losing the battle
b/c new regulations wd allow this, really trying to apply our new standards
CAO: no intention in whatever shape or form to alter the ground; usually done by hand
7.         Subdivision and Heritage Revitalization Agreement (2089 Westdean Crescent) Bylaw No. 4484, 2006
RD: shd be v attractive
MS: if intention to maintain Spencer estate, how by subdividing it?
on market for a long time
too much house to knock down built in 1996 so buyers stayed away; not subdividable
if you want to preserve it, best not to allow subdivision, not change our bylaws
not knock down house, economic reality
can't see why we're doing this; zoning is for an 80ft front and this calls for 52 ft
why not say if you want to follow the bylaws, fine; if not, no
can't see any reason for allowing subdividing this
Sop a few weeks ago we had one divided into three lots!
again I go back, what are we looking for for future
not against a WVite making a money from its property
are we going to allow subdividing -- this under the guise of heritage
house stunning
if I look at the little house, is that livable
all under guise looking for a variance
option to build a garage; wd have to have a heritage permit
know value in name, house and estate
allowing subdivision, very tight, last one was 47ft, this down to 52ft and other divided in two ???
VV: must say Cclr Sop has touched on subject dear to me
house and growth have to be on our agenda
potentially how many more lots are there according to lot sizes allowed now
wd like us to have data, debate and set policy; before indiv projects of this kind
Mayor: if no house on lot cd be subdivided?
SJN: yes it cd and without coming to  Ccl
Mayor: risk may no longer have the house and the Spencer Estate
all know how hard the Heritage Working group worked for this
but think Cclr Smith makes a good point and see the house, may not want to tear down
RD: just go out to Piccadilly and you'll see attractive houses were built and replaced by big homes
heritage revitalization agreement, first one, make sure other house will be compatible with it, a coach house
overall same amt of footage, somewhat diff, but key here is second house wd fit
ensure in long term Spencer House wd survive; without this not sure wd survive, might be torn down
JF: I'll be supporting this with some reservations, can see Cclr Smith's point
important to recognise have a strategy, and a precedent
density in already developed nbrhds, leave green space as green as possible
important support this heritage strategy so we can maintain
Cclr Day is right, no incentive -- happening all the time, [they] build another for a lot more money
satisfy our own need to supply smaller houses
VV: just want to say that I'm surprised and concerned to have major decisions re subdivisions made by staff whereas small items like roofs, overhangs with trivial effects on M as a whole [us] -- we shd swap -- they decide that and we on subdivision with greater effect
SJN: Ccl does decide by establishing zoning and Subdivision Officer, Approving Officer if it doesn't comply doesn't approve
Mayor: when we look at zoning bylaw; think of best interests of cmnty
housing dialogue is on our agenda for Wed morning

{that's interesting; what meeting is that???}

RD: Ccl just passed the Heritage Strategic Plan
note the [lot's] sq ftg is .82 -- almost an acre -- so that means you cd put a 15Ksf house on this -- that wd be a major inducement; that wd be a huge house, huge impact on Westdean Crescent
think carefully about what can happen
not sure what can happen when you can make that kind of money
here's an opp to save that...; here's opp for house that fits in
think we shd pass this and nbrs wd be furious if that house goes and huge one instead of two that fit in
Sop: in report says there cd be an interim garage, recorded as sgl, separate
SJN: both lots, there's a provision in the bylaws that can be assessed as single lot
if single dwelling cd not, wd be a sep lot
Sop: so why not build a garage and leave as one
SJN: [owners] want value of second lot
sounds a bit backward, have to have orig primary bldg to build a garage
Sop in diagram of two lots, two storey on second lot B -- how large cd that house be?
SJN: not sure;
Sop: p 61, Appendix C, just says bldg envelope
talking about actual house
SJN: 35% of that, so 5Ksf bldg
RD: more with basements and garages
Mayor: looks like form and character of second house described wch we've never had so those wanting to preserve the character will be pleased
[was] MOVED: THAT owners and occupiers of property within 50 metres of 2089 Westdean Crescent be notified of Council's intention to enter into a Heritage Revitalization Agreement with the owners.
...MOVED THAT Heritage Revitalization Agreement (2089 Westdean Crescent) Bylaw No. 4484, 2006 be read a first, second and third time on October 2, 2006.
Sop: why rereading?
SSch: so when coming forward?
...MOVED THAT the requirement of a minimum highway frontage of 10% of lot perimeter, per Section 944 of the Local Government Act, be waived for proposed Lot "B".
Sop: what does it say? maximum?
SJN: lot frontage can't be less than 10% of any lot
8.         North Shore Disaster Bylaw No. 4485, 2006 (File:  1610?20?4485)
... report from the Acting Director, North Shore Emergency Management Office (NSEMO), entitled "North Shore Disaster Bylaw" dated August 8, 2006, received. 
Mayor: looks like a guest has joined us
Fiona [didn't hear last name]: been asked to introduce the bylaw
This outlines how three Ms will work together in event of a disaster affecting one of the three
Sop: perceived if disaster no boundaries?
Ans: thinking of Katrina, disaster knows no boundaries
Sop: secondly, emergency measures paramount -- most ppl do not know what to expect even though told over and over
be on their own for 72 hours? shd be prepared for 72 hours?
Ans: attempting to make public aware shd be prepared for 72 hours, courses and materials available
Sop: we fund on triM basis, in a major disaster, wd there be an expectation support the cause anywhere east of Cap River
CAO: for many years Emerg ofc and bylaws, what we're trying to do here, based on exp seen around the world, trying to finetune
always assumed ofc for all three; this bylaw envisions how this wd work
as with landslide issue, have to operate an Emerg ofc arorund the clock; enable them to operate 24 hours and move help where needed
if pandemic, earthquake, fire different; hoping to have a model that can be used throughout GVRD
RD: I sit on the Emerg Cmte, sat for four years and want to echo what Mr Stuart said
fortunate to have this; not just employees but volunteers; refining coordination; can sleep better at night
forest fires, toxic substances, etc, no boundaries, key to plan ahead
see what happened in Katrina when don't plan ahead
glad to be on cmte, thank you for what you do
Sop: conflict between bylaw tonight and Emerg, then Natural Disaster takes precedence
when two or more then Disaster plan will apply
calls for funding -- to what degree funding?
if disaster in NV from negligence, are we going to be obliged to pay into that?
CAO: difference; the Disaster bylaw defines those that cross the boundaries, maybe two or all three
we are protected by indemnification bylaws
we do frequently cross boundaries to support each other, whether police, fire
this just happens on a practical basis
this sets up the framework to limit liability and risk
Sop: no doubt entering into correct world
just asking amount of money expected from taxpayers
CAO: no; cost paid by M; no add'l cost or charges
this spells out with more clarity how to handle emergencies of greater scope
Sop: who pays for it? Ms? Prov?
we fund the emrg services bldg; do we all pay together?
CAO: whenever greater than local, can declare state of Emerg; to Prov for reimbursement of those costs; same for a NShore-wide disaster
provides us with legislative authority, then access Prov
Sop: so open ticket?  we're going to have to pay one or the other
CAO: most cases, we'd make application for reimbursement of our expenses so none of that has changed
Mayor: responsible govt
...MOVED the North Shore Disaster Bylaw No. 4485, 2006 be read a first, second and third time. 
9:06 ADDITIONS to Agenda
8.1  Cmte of Whole mtg Oct 23 be cancelled and a regular ccl mtg be held Oct 30
Mayor: due to UBCM conference many of us will be at.
9.         Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
10.       Municipal Officials Indemnification Bylaw No. 4486, 2006 (File:  1610?20?4486)
11.       No items presented. 
[Letter] 12.15  B. A. Dozzi, Manager, Roads and Transportation to S. Spassov, September 01, 2006, regarding Bonnymuir Place - Pavement Maintenance

* RD: N Sh Heritage Weekend; antique cars; heritage home tour; exhibit Living on Edge of modernist homes well-received; thanks again those involved, [thanks to staff] Stephen Mikicich again
* MS: last Wed morning attended Ch of Comm breakfast; Rick Amantea of Park Royal on retail trends
age increasing -- 24 to 42 in 20 years; av and median age increasing
spoke specifically about Amb Town Ctr Plan - wd only be successful if two or three blocks rather than six or seven blocks
* JF: as Ccl's liaison to the Lib Bd, a couple of pieces of info
changes starting Sept 25: borrowing time for books now three weeks (not four)
we have the longest borrowing period, some have two weeks; fines and fees going up
Fri Sept 22 Celtic Ensemble at Library
* JC: last Tuesday attended regular mtg of FSTF
NSNews had notification of mtg Sept 26
Wed morning School Traffic Cmte's signage substantially completed; two for next year
over winter developing progs with BCAA
Thurs morning Finance cmte mtg of GVRD, happy to report unanimously supported that the GVRD Bd contact Min of Fin to amend tax for full PST exemption and rebate and that UBCM seek similar
huge saving for us in particular
NSh Transp adv cmte mtg; point out to Cclr Smith, will be mitigating circumstances; want special presentation for Ms
Mayor: did you weigh in?
JC: did
Mayor: thanks
* Mayor:  off to speak to a little gathering and one of the clients in 1960 [of an architect re house in WV Museum exhibit] -- just build us something open, outdoorsy, and inexpensive
core values of WV; quite a bit of interest in exhibit
big day Sunday, Paralympics logo at Whistler -- those two flags had never flown together; Mayor Sullivan there, never seen them before, proud....
talks going well re Kay Meek Ctr
14.  PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS = ; (3 minutes per speaker)

{hm.  Rather perplexing.  My name was the first on the PQP list, signed just after I arrived at meeting, yet the Mayor called on person from Millennium who, if he even signed the Speakers' List, wd hv bn after me b/c he asks about an agenda item long after my entry.  Why do they bother with a Speakers' List???  Apparently not adhered to.  Well, my motto is never to complain without a constructive comment or solution so here it is:  one Speakers' List for items on the agenda, another for PQP/Comments and have it numbered.}

Hank Jasper: I'm Gen Mgr of Millennium Devt; we're party to the debate earlier on Ev Dr
wish to seek some clarification as to what took place
referral to Ccl re report, vote 4 to 2 in regard to proceeding with bylaws for Option C
believed option had been passed; then another motion without a seconder; debate
then debate as to whether orig motion shd continue, whether wd carry in future re 5 to 1 vote
our understanding is majority is majority; believe that shd go ahead
clarify; quite confused
Mayor: Mr Stuart
CAO: Option C passed; also report back on possibility of reducing those numbers
did make reference to requiring five votes
must be a majority -- used to be five, now four
RD: we were under the impression of five to one
wd have shortened debate
CAO: Ccl has asked us to bring back Option C and to bring back a report bringing down to 300
we did want to do that
Ccl has option to consider that
Mayor: report will come back next Monday re 300; also impact on housing choice and variety
HJ: and status
CAO: Ccl has directed staff report, on option C, and Ccl can choose to vary that
HJ:  and PH hearing date remains?
CAO: Ccl can provide [info]

{After the meeting the NSN reporter and I asked about the vote -- is it majority of Ccl or majority of ccl mbrs at mtg?  wch bylaws require 2/3 or has it all changed to simple majority?  CAO promised wd be in report on Monday, will look at Cmnty Charter and Local Govt Act.  I asked another staff mbr when leaving in lobby and he said he thought it has now been changed to simple majority of those whatever the bylaw, rezoning, or OCP.  The uncertainty arose b/c last year a bylaw failed b/c it did not have a 2/3 majority of Ccl regardless of who or how many present.}

CR (shuffle, shuffle, as I come up): sorry
Carolanne Reynolds, Chair of the North Shore Heritage Forum and Editor of West Van Matters.
First of all, great news about streaming ccl mtgs even though Shaw will continue to broadcast starting from 9pm on Tuesdays.
Now my questions:
Are there plans to enable copy and paste from agenda items?
Mayor: not sure what you mean by that question
CR: Right now on the website when you go to the agenda, if you want to copy and paste, say the minutes or something from the correspondence, it's impossible to do so. I brought this up a couple of years ago and I was under the impression that many ppl were not aware it was not possible to be done and that something wd be done and since it hasn't yet, just asking when it wd be done.
SSch/MClk: I am not aware of any plans to change the current process.  At the time we scan in the agenda items including the unadopted minutes for posting to the web

[Not actually true. 
To clarify:  It's the minutes and the correspondence that are scanned and cannot be copy and pasted.  Maybe they do scan in the rest but if so, they must do something else as well b/c it is possible to copy and paste the memos and reports attached to the agenda items.  IOW everything except the minutes and correspondence on the agenda.}

CR: they're scanned in wch means they can't be copy and pasted.  That's the point that's being made.
SSch: That has always been our process.

{Nope again if meant for all agenda items.}

Mayor: I'm not sure what the application is.  Certainly you can print out any piece of the agenda and the attached reports, I believe.
CR: Yes, but if you're trying to tell somebody what the motions were or whatever, you'd have to pay somebody to type them in or type it in yourself.  You can't copy and paste
It's actually more accurate faster and more efficient if you can actually copy and paste what is produced.
The CAO has, ah, I've explained this to him as well, and perhaps he cd say when this cd be done or if it's not going to be done at all
CAO: As I understand it, and I have asked on a couple of occasions, it's really a question of who does the extra work.  Scanning is the quickest and fastest and easiest way for staff to get this material  onto the web.  So it really comes down to a question shd we be amending the processes so it wd appear, anyway at this point, that a limited number of residents have a need to do copy and pasting off our webpage.  We can provide add'l info to Ccl but at this point the Clerk has indicated she has indicated she does not want to change that process
Mayor: all right
CR: most of the stuff CAN be copy and pasted; there are only a couple of things that can't; I can discuss this later but MOST of it can be, there are just a couple of important items that can't and the minutes are a very important part.

Last week in Correspondence under Responses there was a letter [from staff] saying that there will be a 20ft tree replacing the 120-year-old 80ft fir removed during the construction of The Argyle (2100block).  The removal and agreement of an inferior specimen in its place apparently took place perhaps approved by staff although there was an arborist's report that the fir wd survive and there was some understanding that retention of the tree was a condition of the multifamily devt.  The letter, however, does not explain why the tree, a condition, was removed without the knowledge or approval evidently of either Council or the concerned neighbours who brought this up.  My request then and now is to seek clarification of what process was followed that allowed that, what process is in place now, and what steps are being taken to avoid this in future.
Appropriate compensation by the developer is a separate matter.
Residents do not appreciate going through a public hearing, being given certain assurances, and then find they have been ignored and changed without even notice.
Now I do know that Ccl was not aware of this either so I think the important thing is for the process to be clear for Ccl and the public, to know how this works
Mayor: well, the process-- yes, go ahead.
CAO: Quite simply, we had requested that the tree be kept.  During the more detailed design stage, it became evident that that wasn't going to be successful.  Staff were in process of preparing a report to Ccl,

{er, um, I don't think so, but I'll check.  I'll dig up the letter from the spring.  Staff's letter was included in correspondence sent to residents and said the landscaping wd be 'up to' $5K.  Laughable for a tree that height.  It was at that mtg (March 20?) the CAO, in response to queries, said there'd be a staff report as to what happened.  Well, no report yet, but it looks like another letter with a different story.....  hm, wonder why the letter was so late as to be on the first mtg back in the fall when there was a whole whack of letters........  }

and the dvpr went ahead and cut the tree down without our permission and prior to [our] reporting to Ccl.  Notwithstanding that, we wd have recommended that in fact the tree be replaced and the restitution is consistent with what we wd have got if we had gone to court as a result of somebody illegally cutting down a tree.

{Now, Dear Readers, there's more to this story.  FYI, for me this is a question of principle.  Often developers make promises, show models with trees, have conditions imposed by Ccl in return for upzoning/increased density, and lo, and behold, the conditions are not fulfilled, the trees disappear, etc.  And virtually no consequences or at a cost less than the conditions imposed.  This is one of those cases.  It is serious that it was done by staff and without the knowledge of Ccl.  The letter, and the CAO's explanation are quite different from staff's letter in February.
Furthermore, will all due respect, what judge wd agree that a tree costing under $5K and that will be 20ft is anywhere near the equivalent of an 80ft and 120-year-old tree, quite apart from a penalty?
The arborist said the tree wd last.  Staff wrote in the spring that the devpr's arborist reported that the tree was endangered.   Have you any doubt whatsoever what the report of the devpr's arborist wd be?  In that case the District's arborist's assessment shd stand.  Or is staff implying that the first arborist's assessment is inferior to the dvpr's?  Why hired?  As if not able to predict the effect of the construction.} 

Mayor: the process that was in place didn't serve us well, but we believe we've achieved the
the best we cd have had we taken legal action
CR: So later I can find out, get the details of the process, so we have it clear so that we know in future.  Thank you.

CR: As for the regrooming of the creek that Cclr Sop brought up, I wd like to know who pays for those plants and the work that's being done.
Mayor: property owner I believe
CR: it wasn't clear.
CAO: yes, the property owner, that's correct.
CR: thank you very much

CR: and lastly, I want to thank you very much for all the time and attention you've paid with the Evelyn Creek issue, sorry, Evelyn Drive issue.  Of course in answer to my question about, again, wanting to know the process in the future, it was reassuring -- and I was glad to hear [in answer to my question] on Wed night, and I think it was reiterated by Ms Boyle tonight -- that during the process we will be able to see models and designs so that we can have input b/c as several of us said, you can have a bad small devt and a good big one and whatever it is, whatever size it is you decide on, I think we all agree we want a design worthy of WV so it was reassuring to hear that they will [be on view for the public].  I hope those models will be available for the public to look at and have input from -- And that's the impression I got from you, Mayor Goldsmith-Jones
Mayor: Yes. Thank you.  Anyone further?
NO? then ADJOURNMENT [9:35}

===  CCL AGENDA Sept 25th  ===
1.         Approval of September 25, 2006 Regular Council Agenda
2.  September 11, 2006 Regular Council Meeting Minutes; and September 13, 2006 Town Hall Council Meeting re Evelyn Drive Area Plan Minutes (to be provided on table).

{why on table?  they provided some at ccl mtg Sept 18 -- are they revising them???}
3.         Evelyn Drive Planning Area - 300 Unit Option (File:  2515?22)
...the report from the Manager, Community Planning dated September 19, 2006 regarding the option of redeveloping the Evelyn Drive Planning Area to a Floor Area Ratio of 0.65 and 300 units be received.
4.         Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Plan (File:  2540?09)
            1.         Draft Working Group recommendations be presented for information and community feedback at a Neighbourhood Meeting on October 25, 2006.
            2.         Staff report to Council with final Working Group and staff recommendations in November 2006.
5.         Development Permit Application 06-036 (2533 Garden Court) (Lot 23) and Development Permit Application 06?037 (2563 Garden Court) (Lot 15) (File:  1010?20?06?036/1010?20?06?037)
RECOMMENDED:   A Public Meeting be waived and DPAs issued
6.         Alteration Permit 05?026 (4769 The Highway) (File:  1010?20?05?026)
RECOMMENDED: the Municipal Clerk give notice that Alteration Permit Application, which would provide for a new dwelling with variances to minimum and combined Side Yard for the detached garage, will be considered at the meeting of Council on Monday, October 16, 2006.
7.         Request to Waive Development Permit for Proposed Subdivision of 2185 25th Street
RECOMMENDED:  THAT the requirement for a DP for the subdivision of 2185 25th Street be waived and no further notification be required.

8.         The Haebler Group - Request for Extension of Order of Non?Enforcement of Noise Control Bylaw - 2142 Argyle Avenue
RECOMMENDED:  THAT Council approve the request from The Haebler Group, the prime contractor for the building site at 2142 Argyle Avenue for an extension of the Order of Non Enforcement of the Noise Control Bylaw No. 4404, 2005 Section 6.1.2 (a) (iii) to extend beyond the original requested maximum of twelve (12) days between June 20, 2006 and December 31, 2006 to include an additional eight (8) days such that the placing and finishing of concrete may continue until 1900 hours (7:00 p.m.).
{hm; for the devt that removed a 120-year-old 80ft fir tree that was supposed to be retained as one of the conditions for the upzoning???} 

9.         Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
10.       North Shore Disaster Bylaw No. 4485, 2006 (File:  1610?20?4485)
11.       West Vancouver Community Arts Council Service Agreement and Licence to Occupy, received for information.
12.       Greater Vancouver Water District (GVWD) Grant in Lieu of Taxes 2006
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council consent to receiving the amount of $71,504 for 2006.
13.       Correspondence for Action and Information
Requests for Delegation  -- 13.1    None.
> Action Required
13.2.   D. Cardwell, September 18, 2006, regarding Board of Variance Hearing for Application #06-031 (707 Anderson Crescent) Evergreen Daycare
            Referred to Director of Administrative Services for consideration and response.
13.3.   T. Vu, September 15, 2006, regarding Cycling, Pedestrian and Public Safety
            Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.
13.4.   A. & D. Fleming, September 09, 2006, regarding tree maintenance (File:  2190?09)
            Referred to Director of Parks & Community Services for consideration and response.
13.5    P. Rowbotham, August 21, 2006, regarding management of trees within private property
            Referred to Director of Parks & Community Services for consideration and response.
13.6    J. Clark-King, Rector, St. Martin's Anglican Church, September 07, 2006, enclosing 52 signature petition regarding threat of closure of North Shore Youth Safe House             Referred to Mayor and Council for consideration and response.
> No Action Required (receipt only)
13.7.   B. Passmore, Farm Animal Welfare Project Coordinator, Vancouver Humane Society, May 15, 2006, regarding cage free chickens in city-run facilities
13.8.   Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
            (a)       West Vancouver Memorial Library Board Minutes, July 19, 2006 (File:  0115?WVML-03)
13.9    G. Burns, September 13, 2006, regarding Signage on Lions Gate Bridge (File:  0166?02?01)
13.10  K. Kreis, Acting Director of Professional Development, Urban Development Institute - Pacific Region, September 08, 2006, regarding upcoming event
13.11  G. Foster, September 13, 2006, regarding Halloween Fireworks (File:  0190?07)
13.12  C. Jago, Chair, Fraser Basin Council, September 08, 2006, regarding annual Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) breakfast
13.13. "Mustard Maniacs" (Irwin Park "Destination Imagination" Team), undated, regarding thank you for sponsorship
13.14  A. Shwetz, BC Hydro, September 08, 2006, regarding involvement at 2006 Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM)
13.15. K. Bunting, September 04, 2006, regarding West Vancouver School District Strategic Plan 2006 - 2008
13.16  J. Nowack, September 20, 2006, regarding 4769 The Highway (File:  1010?20?05-026)
13.17  S. Dowey, City Clerk, City of North Vancouver, September 13, 2006, regarding Request for Support in Principle to Establish a Centre for the Arts in Dementia Care on the North Shore
13.18  S. Dowey, City Clerk, City of North Vancouver, September 13, 2006, regarding North Shore Bear Hazard Assessment
> Responses to Correspondence -- 13.19  No items.
> Responses to Questions in Question Period -- 13.20  No items.

=== INFObit  ===

As many of you know, I'm a staunch monarchist.  Well, this week gave another example of one of the advantages of having a (constitutional) monarchy.  You will have heard that there was a coup in Thailand.  The military overthrew an unpopular, said to be corrupt, Prime Minister  (Thaksin Shinawatra) after an election this spring some say fraudulent.  The military immediately declared their loyalty to the monarch, King Bhumibol Adujlyadej, who is the world's longest reigning monarch.  This avoids a civil war and enables continuity and a transition.  The King was born in Cambridge, Massachusetts, and educated in Switzerland.  Sometimes a democratically elected govt that is hugely disliked can only be replaced by a monarch doing something (in Australia the Governor General refused to sign a money supply bill, thus forcing an election terminating PM Gough Whitlam's govt, much to the delight of most Australians).
From Wikipedia:
Bhumibol Adulyadej (born December 5, 1927), officially styled "the Great" and also known as Rama IX, is the current King of Thailand. Bhumibol, having reigned since June 9, 1946, is the world's longest-serving current Head of State and the longest-serving monarch in Thai history.
Although Bhumibol is a constitutional monarch, he has several times made decisive interventions in Thai politics, including the political crisis of 2005-2006. Bhumibol has been widely credited with facilitating Thailand's transition to democracy in the 1990s, although in earlier periods of his reign he supported military regimes. He did not oppose the September 2006 coup which overthrew the elected government of Prime Minister Thaksin Shinawatra.
Bhumibol uses his great wealth to fund numerous development projects, particularly in rural areas. He is immensely popular in Thailand, and is revered as a semi-divine figure by many Thais. Critics, mostly outside Thailand, attribute this status to the suppression of criticism of the monarchy.[2]
Bhumibol was born in the United States and educated primarily in Switzerland. Bhumibol is also an accomplished musician, artist, and sailor. He is one of the wealthiest people in the world and has received many honours.

===  QUOTATIONS  ===

Because we don't understand the brain very well we're constantly tempted to use the latest technology as a model for trying to understand it. In my childhood we were always assured that the brain was a telephone switchboard. (What else could it be?) And I was amused to see that Sherrington, the great British neuroscientist, thought that the brain worked like a telegraph system. Freud often compared the brain to hydraulic and electromagnetic systems. Leibniz compared it to a mill, and now, obviously, the metaphor is the digital computer.
                -- John R. Searle, philosophy professor (1932 - )

Those who would question the present should investigate the past.  Those who do not understand what is to come should look at what has gone before.
                --  The Guanzi (Ancient Chinese writings)

Rare is the person who can weigh the faults of others without putting his thumb on the scales.
                -- Byron J. Langenfeld

Ambrose Bierce (1842-1914) was an American satirist, critic, poet, short story writer, editor, and journalist. His clear style and lack of sentimentality have kept him popular when many of his contemporaries have become obscure. His dark, sardonic views and vehemence as a critic, earned him the nickname "Bitter Bierce"...
Marriage: a community consisting of a master, a mistress, and two slaves, making in all, two.