New Fire Chief

for full press release, please see: http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=4716&c=677

West Vancouver, BC:  The District of West Vancouver is pleased to announce the appointment of Jeff Oates as Fire Chief.  Chief Oates has been acting Fire Chief for the past five months, since Doug Trussler made the move to the District of North Vancouver...

The District of West Vancouver would also like to acknowledge Gordie McLennan who has been appointed as Deputy Fire Chief.  McLennan has been acting in this capacity for the past five months and was formerly an Assistant Chief for two years, and he has worked in emergency services for over 25 years.

~ 4:30pm ~ FSTF (how better to spend your money; every Tuesday but shd be winding down so check)

~ 6 - 9pm ~ JaNE aUstEN FilM sEriEs at Library, Peters Room: Emma.  There will be a discussion after each film, moderated by Julie Backer.  [Next one Nov 1st]

~ 6:30 - 9pm ~  Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Meeting (Caulfeild Elementary School)

~ 4 - 7pm ~ Police Board Mtg (WV Chamber of Commerce Boardroom) -- MOVED to Nov 1st

~ 9am - noon ~ Volunteers Needed! Ivy Pull In Lighthouse Park

 ~ 3:15 - 4:30 ~ the scary Halloween skate at the Arena

End of the exhibit in the Gallery at the Library: Bold images and rich colours of field, orchard and garden by Gerard Picher and Francoise Vallotton-Stegemann.

>>> Early Music   Concerts Nov 2, 10,   --

Visit www.earlymusic.bc.ca or call Early Music Vancouver 604-732-1610; tix at Sikora's Classical Records or The Magic Flute

Rush seats for students with valid ID on sale for $10, at the door only, from 7pm on the evening of the concert.  Ask about our "Bring a Youth for Free" programme: 604-732-1610

>>> FERRY BUILDING GALLERY == Exhibit:  ELEMENTS OF SPIRIT -- Nov 7 - 19

Elizabeth Claridge: raku/clay; Melissa Vejins: acrylic on canvas; Aleksander Visnjic-Atza: acrylic on canvas & acrylic ink on paper

        Regular Ccl Mtgs: Oct 30, Nov 6, Nov 20

        Nov 11 = Remembrance Day Ceremonies

        Nov 12 = ~7:50 - 11am ~ Khatsahlano Road Race from Horseshoe Bay to Park Royal

        Nov 15 = 7pm for both Library Bd (at Library) and Bd of Variance (Ccl Chambers)

        Nov 16 =        5:30 - 7:30pm ~ NSFCYJ at CNV M Hall

Nov 16th, Thursday ~ 7:30pm ~ at St Stephen's (885 - 22nd)

A PowerPoint presentation by Matt Henderson, WV Streamkeeper, on his work in Indonesia

Nov 18th Streamkeepers, bug count: write streamkeepers@westvan.org or call 628 1123.

>>> KAY MEEK CENTRE  -- Visit www.kaymeekcentre.ca or phone 913-3634 for events.

>>> WV Chamber of Commerce: Mbrs; Showcase at Steamworks 5 -7pm Wed Nov 15th; call 926 6614 for info.

1.         Approval of October 16, 2006 Regular Council Agenda

                with the addition of alteration permit, DP, and many letters!

2.         Adoption of September 25, 2006 and October 02, 2006 Regular Council Meeting Minutes

3.         B. A. O'Connor, Medical Health Officer, Vancouver Coastal Health (North Shore) and representatives of the North Shore Homelessness Task Force regarding homelessness issues and solutions

Mayor: welcome Beverly Pitman to give a report.

Bev Pitman: resident of WV, with small delegation. Here for NS Homelessness chaired by Dr O'Connor, and for CHAC (Cdn Housing Action Cmte); homelessness awareness week

Task Force formed in 2000 when things changed; 44 homeless in 2000, five years later 85

need for permanent shelter; one opened for youth and one for adults, plus Sage

Youth Safe House closed in October

three types of homeless, will speak of two

The NSh Adult Shelter houses up to 25 adults

Cold wet-weather shelter open from Oct 15 to Mar 31 more or less

12,499 bed nights; 98% occupancy of shelter; 1,183 ppl served, 856 ppl turned away

Reasons for using shelter: 32% mental illness, 23% addictions, 10% dual diagnosis (mental health and addiction), 28% poverty and/or lack of housing

Reasons: 63% need to escape physical violence, 25% sexual abuse, and 17% being stalked by previous partners; for children 12% physical abuse, 26% verbal abuse, and all chn reported witnessing abuse of their mothers.

Youth Safe House was closed Sept 31st [sic]; av length of stay seven days

Reasons: 54% substance abuse, 26% mental health, 8% domestic violence; all homeless or at risk of homelessness

Harvest Project hand up, not hand out; helps ppl transition; more than 1200 active files; served coffee and baked goods to 7200

Salvation Army works with over 100 ppl per month on the N Shore; assess ppl's needs, connects ppl with resources; 75% of clients addicts, 50% are homeless; also works with mentally ill, working poor, physically disabled, and old-age pensioners.  As you know, these things and ppl are not mutually exclusive.

Estimated 8500 ppl at risk of homelessness on the North Shore at present time.  Some 14,000 names on the waitlist for the BC Housing Registry.  Some 2,442 receive income assistance.  Monthly shelter allowances from $325 to $695.  Many elderly, recent immigrants, families with chn.  Includes laidoff and working poor.

This week goal to raise awareness of homeless to provide solutions, actions taken.

Events, Planning Dept has given info.

www.stophomelessness.ca

Mayor: respond on behalf of all of Ccl, tragic closing of the Youth Safe House; agree with letter in NSNews by Margaret Morgan; disgrace and shame House allowed to close;represents complete failure of three levels of govt to work together; glaring example of serious challenge we face as senior levels of govt abandon their commitment to social services. DNV donated a home on property to their great credit; the fed govt decided to cut its core funding from $700K to $600K to get funding from prov but they refuse to accept fed govt downloading.  Ms came forward with some funding, two years of mtgs and I was on the exec cmte, talking to Don Bell, Blair Wilson, MLAs -- all said your problem.  Rotary Club even provided emergency funding.  Met with Homelessness Task Force, and tried to explain to them that we had a problem on the NShore (you explained so well).   We met re Regional Homelessness and said only need $100K.  Our Youth Safe House was held up as an example.  To the letter, I'd say we worked as hard as we cd, got levels of govt together as much as we cd, and the staff in NV is still working on what can be done with that house.

In the two weeks it has been closed I know of three WV youth who shd be there right now.  One is 13-year-old who lived on the street here for that time, and is now in a foster home in East Vancouver.

We had young ppl from Surrey to Squamish in that YSH.

I apologize for our part that we weren't able to do better and we really did try.

The Mayor of Victoria said if the suburbs around Victoria took the same responsibility that the NShore does, we wdn't have the same problem.

All of the groups you mentioned are part of our Substance Abuse Task Force; still don't meet all we need.

Ans: being referred to East Vancouver.

Mayor: yes

JF: do you know what's happened in other cmnties? how funded? picked up the pieces?

Ans: Mayor wd know more.

Mayor: our NShYSH was an anomaly.  Very fortunate to have fed govt funding and our entire prov has lost out now on that $600K b/c prov wdn't provide a bit. --

The real expert is Kathy Stills, sitting there.

JF: we shd look into it; particularly since Ccl's going to UBCM, cabinet ministers will be there

Sop: When we took office almost a year ago, shift by prov govt, we started to look at a tri-M initiative to look at needs; looking at a format, by three mayors, looking at social programmes

are we truly doing our part?

prov govt recently produced their housing strategy

we're going to talk about it for next five years and get nothing

has to come from prov and fed govts, shdn't come on backs of municipalities' taxpayers.

needs will be here for a long time

Sop: Ms not doing enough.  We'll sit and talk and you'll do work, and still nothing.

Mayor: Cclr Sop, you may talk about what you have in mind when we get to [that item on the agenda further down].

7:30

4.         K. Glynn-Morris, North Shore Family Court and Youth Justice Committee regarding Annual Report and presentation regarding "Journey to Justice Provincial Conference"

Kathy Still, past chair of NSFCYJ Cmte, I'm past chair

KS: think you've seen the annual report, did some restructuring on the mandate

cmte acts as adviser to three NSh mayors; bring recommendations

we did initiate to get the Youth Safe House

there are 15 in BC, 12 by the prov govt (not solely)

some have barriers, ours was fairly open but not funded by the prov govt

we are continuing to meet, set a task force; met today, hesitate to say hopeful

met with prov govt ministry reps and working on a model; based on same house

KG-M: little DVD; proud of the provincial conference we did

many cmnties not able to participate b/c of cost

first will see Constable Morton of NV RCMP, the Lions' Gate psych nurse, Bby RCMP with ....., Wally Oppal, Gordon Hogg, Fred Bonner, presiding judge of Seattle Cmnty Court....

[re youth] become emotionally connected to harm they've caused

Most don't think they're going to get caught

relationship between education and crime, not too many PhDs committing crime

JF: how many attended conference?

Ans: about a hundred

Mayor: do you do any work with the Sq Nation?

Ans: [name], and Tsleil Waututh

Sop: since reorg, has it turned things round for you?

KG-M: clearer direction; short answer yes

many Ms struggling

reviews always worthwhile even if same

KS: processes clear, continuum so not ppl-dependent; my concern succession

really good process in place

Sop: an awful lot of good ppl; effort for this cause

but no formal decision at end of what was accomplished

Q: review

Sop: prior, going back 17 years

fills an important need today; enough?

KG-M: you and Cclr Clark also was I think

problem is that it's an advisory body: can advise have a youth safe house but not DO anything

no you, Ms, can actually do something

It wd be v nice to have representation from WV; we have a mtg on Thursday night

7:44

REPORTS

            Update to be provided.

SJN: previously received by Ccl, outlines measures taken by GVRD

there's a binder available for viewing

Homeless Week is this week 16 to 22

housing affordability, choice, availability in WV

look forward to that

KF: they talked about

have to ratify the housing under the OCP and get a clear vision....

effect change positive for this cmnty; we as Ccl, have to foster that

Mayor: Under OCP,

...  naming our Ccl delegates

Kiwanis Housing Opening is Saturday -- small suites, about $750 per month

7:51

RECOMMENDED:

            THAT further action on the proposed Heritage Revitalization Agreement or Development Variance Permit for 2089 Westdean Crescent be deferred, pending staff review of a revised subdivision proposal.

Mayor: five want to speak but the recommendation is to defer this

Mr Nicholls, perhaps you can update us

SJN: clearly a large number of nbrs wrote about this; note it says upzoning but that's not the case; note that the applicant is talking to the nbrs to see what wd be acceptable

it's 'under review' right now

Mayor: will call your names and if you want to come back when it does, fine, or now, that's fine

A new plan/application has been circulated dated Oct 10/11, determine whether or not in character with houses in the Crescent, a lot are 80ft wide

whatever authority shd take a look, perhaps we can talk to them

SJN: we've tried to cover that; staff tried to report back on concerns requested

applicant said possible alternatives so we said you'd better talk to residents about them

how many times staff consider this?

we suggest a while, see, and then once

7:58

            (Terms of Reference to be provided on-table)  {btw, I didn't see them}

RECOMMENDED: THAT

            1.         The recommendations regarding Council Advisory Committees and community engagement contained in the Chief Administrative Officer's October 10, 2006 report be approved for implementation.
            2.         The Council appointees to the Community Forum/Working Groups Steering Committee be approved.
            3.         The appointments to the Design Advisory Committee be extended to December 2007.

            4.         Staff be authorized to initiate the necessary technology improvements and communications process and requirements in order to implement the new approach by the end of 2006, with incidental costs to be funded from reallocation of year end surplus.

Mayor: 5th point; cmte apptmts I've made

NSh wide -  VV

maybe wish to have a town hall mtg; opp to get diff things

rotate; system less structured

RECOMMENDED: THAT

            1.         The October 09, 2006 report on the 2006 - 2008 Corporate Business Plan from the Chief Administrative Officer be received.

            2.         Council adopt the 2006 - 2008 Business Plan as amended.

            3.         Communications staff develop and implement a cost effective way to communicate the Business Plan to West Vancouver homes and businesses.

            4.         Staff work with Council and the community to further clarify and refine a sustainability framework for West Vancouver.

Sop: p13 under special projects

spells out v well, vision; hope not biting off more than we can chew

haven't thought out -- consider a waterfront plan, from 13th to 19th

mission has been to acquire or create open space by acquisition but we still have some six or seven properties to go

work on Ferry Bldg and Silk Purse

nothing about what will be down there

under Goal A, shd add those initiatives, purchase those lands, actual park and what's going to be there; priority over arts and ev else

secondly, on same page, Goal Transportation; we've listened, been patient, and no reply from prov re TWay and MDrive

Cclr Clark sits on that cmte, report? when action? going to get worse? why not get on with it?

can I hear from Cclr Clark

Mayor: think Cclr Sop wants it included in this

Sop: right; not ev we expect in park but after 40 years of acquisition what?

want to see a plan and activated in next three years

Mayor: expecting re transportation

CAO: beginning of month; presentation to NSh Ms; issue is planning

EBarth, D/Engg: add that there's been a lot of discussion with Ministry, Sq Nation, Pk Royal

JC: I attended the NSh Transp mtg and Power Point presentation wrt TWay and Marine Drive and another one re N end of Second Narrows

these were draft but fairly descriptive

tried to arrange for the same Power Point for WV

NV arranged one

I think with the advent of devt on Ev Dr, if this is final plan, this Ccl shd hv as much info as possible

even if we just saw what NV City and Dist saw ten days ago

we shd have av before Ev Dr coming back

hope so

Mayor: sev of us mtg with Falcon next week

Sop: been so long without this info

when's the deadline? 2008?

tell us how paid for

major bottleneck; in failure mode

tax increase number; shd have some; without, we can't fail

says we are honest and ethical -- rather think public to make up their mind if they go along with that

on the whole, interesting document

Sop: pt of order are we not honest and ethical

Mayor: MMgr wants to speak

CAO: many of these already started; adding clarity

OCP is all about sustainability

think there's a thread there

really means the transfer of credits between env social economic interests

often have degrading effects on envmt

don't think we're creating a new definition

a lot of interplay around

JC: want to agree with what Cclr Sop initiated and Cclr Smith has supported

this Ccl and ccls before hv been talking since 1970s when those lands about $50-70K

know.... commit

to Cclr V, the OCP is mentioned in here

maybe reading too fast, to miss the number that holds us accountable, on nearly ev page, and that's 2008, election year

JF: want to commend staff

since I've been on Ccl ev three years hv come with a biz plan

we've improved it ev year

some goals coming to fruition

achieve ev goal, rarely happens

not completely without influence from other govts, public, and world events

we read and write these with a degree of flexibility and hopefulness

can revise

numbers, can't achieve them

nice to have a biz plan and work hard to achieve it

sust, econ, and envt three goals

expect major variation,, look forward

CAO: if --

Mayor: one of the reasons we're a year into this, Ccl input

sustainability commonly now understood....

our discussion is starting to say.....

this report had the support of the majority of Ccl

look at our watershed strategy,  ... finally now taking shape

I'm not sure any cmnty in the prov has done ....

grapple with taxation

how can we not look at asset management..... partnership with NSh Ms

non-profit societies

really exciting innovative ideas that Ccl can rally around

my understanding that staff really energized with this....

Mr Stuart and I have around ......

now accepted aspects, with appointments made tonight, looking for leadership from ev one of you

of course we'll look at Amb plan --  put that in bold letters

look at Corporate Biz Plan

PASSED

8:39

            At the September 25, 2006 meeting, Council received the report dated September 13, 2006 from the Community Planner titled "Alteration Permit 05?026 (4769 The Highway)", a copy of which is attached for reference.

Don Milliken: letter circulated; we live opposite

separated from front yard ... to 30ft high

useful screening

what's proposed will change that; a driveway cutting into a signif portion of the hedge

hedge through a major rock outcropping, already received a blasting notice

puts the ctr of the hedge at risk

cd see large portion of hedge displace and wd change our front yard considerably

shift driveway so majority of hedge can remain; needs signif pruning the question is the extent of the pruning

understood wd largely be untouched

look at plans then saw driveway within 4 to 6ft of property line so looks like two thirds of hedge [removed]

expressing concern for hedge there and then on the street

don't think great to move driveway, as part of approval make sure laurel hedge will survive

told hardy but don't know many that wd survive being blown up

David Roberts: live on Pilot House Rd and have done for 46 years

the LC [Lower Caulfeild] guidelines include architectural design -- in keeping with heritage character

rather obscure as many guidelines are

LCAC mtg did nothing to preserve old/heritage house

house was rundown, rodents

no enquiry as to state of house and why it cannot be renovated

engr -- can do anything, just a question of money

our view, no house shd be demolished unless report from surveyor to Ccl must be repaired and not replaced

unless not adhered to Caulfeild will be torn down and be just another NAm suburb

as Tom Taylor wrote: in the 1930s Caulfeild was iridescent with charm

mixture of ppl

over the years this magic and charm have slowly been destroyed

cottages replaced by large [houses]

just a few pockets

but there still is time to preserve the ..... of the hamlet

ask you to think v carefully before you take one more.....

no sigh pays the cost of dignity destroyed and .... lost

never reinstate a village we cared about too late

Simon Gabriel: asked by John Gilbert who cannot be here to read this letter {I have copy and pasted}:

John's house is on the west and will be the recipient of a lot of ... and a lot of noise

David Manson: speaking also on behalf of my wife, have lived for 46 years

directly across the road

our letters dated..... received; an additional 14.21

each of our letters has registered our concerns that this does not fill the letter or intent of the guidelines

although applicant has limited blasting and...pool

nothing re structural

....heavy dark stonelike exterior

appears as a country estate rathet than a country home

minimizes scale; approp character of site

this proposal makes no effort to preserve concepts est'd in 1988

challenged...  attempts...  disregard

Ccl has asked that Mr Nicholls to respond to my letter of June;  he and Ms Parsons, more than...

although some discretion.... but never rebuilding as this proposal does

my letter of Oct 10; since adoption 1995, have appeared

to challenge repeated violations

regretfully largely unsuccessful

now sev conspicuous bldgs, no relationship to guidelines or surroundings

they'd fit nicely anywhere in WV except in Caulfeild

soon to be others

with adoption of the CH Plan

Ccl has adopted responsibility

we ask Ccl start by insisting applications adhere to the guidelines

rather than windowdressing

letter re dumpsters, etc  -- it's a narrow winding one-way lane...  nearly impossible to turn around

I advised Mr Schultz

ask written [informaiton] where workers' vehicles will be parked, materials be stored

ask for flagman at entrance to The Highway when road is to be blocked

Sop: did you attend the LCAC mtgs?

Ans: yes, the first but unable to attend second

Sop: in second, applicant made substantial changes

then LCAC commended the team for making the changes

in light of what has been said in these letters prior to the second mtg

same concerns still not wanted at all, changes re hedge and pool

Ans: changes largely wrt site, was going to be flattened

changes as a result of the first mtg were to minimize the chgs in the site, retain as much green space as possible

hear continuing concern about the hedge on the north side

our concerns, altho acknowledge applicant has made an effort to modify his site plan, our concerns continue to be with the architectural design -- that in itself does not comply with the guidelines

Simon Grabriel: an inordinate number of docs on this issue, been going on for months...

9:06

several issues

you shd be well aware of what we're going through

major -- applicant came to Mayor and Cclr as to how best to approach cmnty

two days later put plans

not till a week after ...  did he come and get any info from them

as with John's letter -- why demolish at all; we have a heritage area, the only one

it's in need of your attn, your protection

4727 Pilot house was built in 1924; when I arrived in 1999 Hasman tried to sell; variance, no one bought; the ppl who bought, built from inside out and it flourishes and lives

my house bought in 1999, built in 1924, mayor's been to my house, acceptable -- live in nice house in nice nbrhd on S Piccadilly 1924 house, Dianne and Ross Sherwood moved out for eight months to renovate

guideline 2 says renovation before demolition

built in 1924 but this devpr wants to demolish

says rotten floorboards, foundations, but two months after coming to LCAC he put a young family in as renters without doing any remedial work at all

how bad [then]?

nothing to say has to be destroyed, that it cannot be remodelled and renovated

says blast

prob with one nbr, remove all the soil and bamboo there, has put some soil and plants back in but now one nbr has a flooded [basement?], b/c water flows

4769 they want to blast basement; already a wet spot on the prop; if he blasts, where will that water go -- to John's house.  Haven't seen a report on that.

Mayor: finish

Ans: finish with Francis Caulfeild

rather than follow grid, followed the natural contour, bear and deer tracks

path of least resistance

so as not to interrupt waterflow

not blasted away as two Hollingworth houses

I appeared before you here in June ... passed Heritage Strategic Plan, and asked what you were going to do

Mr Nicholls said that the L Caulfeild area wd have discussion about what was going to happen

and presumably but I mean hopefully, it's now Oct 16 -- and we haven't heard anything

look....!

Eric Nelson: have prepared remarks, but marked up; 4762 The Highway

one side seeks your approval and the other your understanding

the devprs are clearly annoyed b/c tied up by a disgusting and revolting minority

Four of five homeowners adjacent have spoken out

resentment of a process standing solely in the way of their recouping their investment

will turn up again and again; ask for a three-month moratorium

time well spent

have given some thought to how this

broken, can be fixed

two sides; wd be happy to sit with ev side

VV: am I given to understand this construction a commercial interest, not a homeowner

Ans: origins lost in swamps of time

now owned by an outside investment group

made it clear they will not be living here; flipped, concern Trojan horse

VV: real concerns

1926 town planning act prohibiting industrial activity

wonder look at it from that point of view

Mayor: [no debate with public]  Cclr Vaughn your comments most welcome

Mark Thompson: shareholder in the big bad devt company coming into the nbrhd

Mayor: address?

MT: having sold now; 109 Furry Creek

my initial desire was to design for my own self; what difference does that make?

right to..... think that's in the statute

in two cmte mtgs, design of house never brought up but blasting was

6500sf house above ground, currently 4300

blasting is DWV bylaws not more

bought back in Nov, almost a year ago; with the best of intentions went round to the nbrhd with plans, 47 ppl signed a document saying they accepted or wd not hv a problem with our scheme

speaks loudly though most do not come and speak out, usu the minority as in this case and must say they are eloquent

we are only asking for a variance on the garage wch is before you today...

the garage is out of sight; in a regular wd be in rear yard but b/c pie shape ....

laurel hedge gives us the privacy we think it needs; no change for nbrs, cannot see in now and won't see when built

rather than put a garage door we put a lot of effort to run the driveway around to the back of the house so garage cannot be seen from anywhere, even from neighbours'

re Mr Milliken's, believe enough room to move garage so can do that easily

re heritage, I come from a heritage country, recognize heritage; admire some in Vancouver; photos of 67 homes, about half a dozen exist as true heritage homes; much as Westdean Cr,

eclectic, a mixture of homes, have a charm more to do with the layout Caulfeild designed rather than anything...

this house designed is a heritage

suit today's wishes, a timeless quality; unlike other houses that have upset the nbrhd

Mayor: finished?

MT: talk of money; we are a biz; try to do things for profit so can do others and put food in mouths

not dirty, it's an improvement

Mr Danzig, the prev owner, spent some time telling them he cd not renovate; he tried in 1988

I actually fell through the floor

couple in there while their house being renovated in NV

suffering b/c of suffering re basement [???}

Danzig sold b/c he cd not afford to renovate; however given the funds he wd hv torn it down and redevpd it the way we have

Mayor: several things raised; make a motion to receive

[JF did]

Mayor: now a choice to make

JF: maybe some questions; cclr comments to help choose

Sop: been there sev times over past nine years

set upon by residents it's a place of passion

topography, road network, one of the most incredible sites in WV

comments of nbrs sinks in well with me

did see change took place debate in Ccl

when I look at first ..., looked massive and change of character

in my own mind said if that ever came to Ccl wdn't get my support

one of the things evident, is six years of devt and ppl have had to live with that

even taking old house and fixing it up

lot of ppl don't want change, rocks, change is inevitable

start revisiting inadequacies; requests looked at; think we shd get a win-win out of this

shd be done on basis, formerly saying to ppl who live in area that we'll dev a strategy to look at new guidelines, no trucks (time of day, maybe), third if as in case of Mr Milliken can hedge be saved; staff shd work with owner and see that is satisfied

in future, diagrams in past, but when we have a decision on a night like this we shd hv drawings model,

cut tree in wrong area, your life!  I've been there

house has been downsized so reasonable and hedge some compromise -- before decision tonight, maybe worked on by staff; leave it as no decision tonight

JF: in terms of design control, to my knowledge Ccl does not have

SJN: some control in a heritage area

JF: Lower Caulfeild

SJN: yes, but not other areas

designed, Dianne Sherwood was chair

JF: have sympathy; no one likes to live a lot of --

grand passions

in spite of the fact when I drive, do and have seen nbrhd in transition in last eight to ten years

having a relook at the design guidelines wd be beneficial

except when we sell; that's what limits a cmte; refusing right to demolish and rebuild

ppl who have bought prop and cd do things...

find value of prop diminished so change minds

participate in new design

seems to me, can see no reason; applic says garage can be moved; good sign

house meets with cmte's approval

simply a garage and having it out of sight probably in best interests of nbrhd

some changes -- house colour

in any case, staff have to approve all of these conditions before going ahead so am prepared to approve

SJN: Ccl is aware that all of the drawings 1 - 10 in my pkg not sure in all before [mtg]

traffic mgmt plan is in the alteration permit

provide measures, protection of hedge

involves moving the driveway -- those are in the alteration permit

RD: take it also owners agreed to a number of conditions? removed pool? reduced size of basement?

SJN: yes and permeable materials

4300sf and cd build 6500, looked at existing house yesterday looks like 3500 and built in what I'd say is mock Tudor and this design is same pseudo style

don't like to see things change in Caulfeild, OTOH if adv cmte has accepted changes

already underway, asked staff to tighten up guidelines

diff choices, but going to have to accept

so we must retain character of area and those homes; think we shd defer this

Changes; if moving garage, shd see; shd be addressed

Mayor: Mr Nicholls, what are the implications of a moratorium for three months?

Mayor: allowed quite a bit of latitude

shd have.......  Secondly, know guidelines

trucks helterskelter when houses being built, not satisfactory

sure owner wd like to have way to resolve this

what is the expectation of the owner?

two months, three months into, nbrs calling cclrs saying we can't live with this

if change, let's get a handle on

if owner going to help with Mr Milliken, shd do that

JC: move extend the mtg

Mayor: yes

DONE [to go past 10pm]

9:56

JC: have no problem of revisiting the masterplan of the Caulfeild area

wd like to know how long deferring this issue

this applicant is making it under present policy, not possibility moratorium on it

obligation to hear under present policy unless deferral for v short time

JF: two weeks minimum b/c not mtg next week

Mayor: Oct 30

JF: having heard a request for answers, pool down the road

......

MOTION:

            THAT Staff report back to Council regarding submissions received at the October 16, 2006 Council Meeting to allow Council to make a determination on Alteration Permit 05?026 (4769 The Highway). [Oct 30]

Mayor: enough

JF: report prior

Mayor: will be supporting your motion

the only other, was the Lunters' house; v contentious but the immed nbrs came to support it, a complete change

big diff; an important part

my sense in the broader cmnty think the est and [???] want to be [?????]

v delicate balancing act

hearing from staff how we can do better.

10pm

            At the October 02, 2006 meeting, Council received the report dated September 18, 2006 from the Community Planner titled "Development Variance Permit No. 06?042 (2446 Halston Court)", a copy of which is attached for reference.

Man: here two months ago; Bof V was rejected

why; questions about roof pitch wch wd mean not have to go to Bd of V

others have same pitch and no problem

deeply concerned b/c affects me

don't understand why this gentleman can't make it work

three came, two to BoV passed

understand lots difficult; I have a v diffcult lot; yard, lot; difficult terrain -- don't believe height variance in front of us when we complied and they can make it work

sorry for rambling

Mayor, laughing: you've made your point two or three times!

Sop: comparison 16.2, 16.4 this 10.66

there's flexibility; is it blocking your view?

Ans: definitely by three and a half feet

my lower level, have chn so to spend time with them, view from there

Sop: house below you considerably?

Ans: yes, and it will affect few

Mayor: Ccl cannot get into a conversation, not appropriate

Ans that's why I'm here today

Architect: John Resah (sp?), project belongs to a friend of mine and client

Mayor; address

Ans: 2338 Chippendale; a bit amazed at some comments

referring to 6 to 12 pitch and the drawings submitted are

not sure what means he's using; pitch is actually 6 to 12

notes, if I alter the pitch 5 to 12, only gaining a foot, done for exercise

not recommended for shingles, and Andrew wd know that  b/c he's a devper himself

garage is at lowest

..don't really see

going on for more than a year; prev at BofV re hardship but not enough votes, two out of five

road is 1060 and ridge 1066, house barely above ground level

Andrew's house, and others, up further; can't see how view impacted it is being described

done all we can re impact on nbrhd; eastern side is more than 10ft above us; 5ft below

JC: photograph, supplied by you?

Ans: yes, some from Jim Bailey {Planning Staff}

JC: I draw a line across the top ridge

1066 ft above sea level

when it passes through next door shows the chimney and two peaks above the line yet this report says it is six feet below

Ans: six ft below us

JC: doesn't look like that

Ans: house on eastern side shd be

Mayor: if questions for staff, direct them that way

JC: thought he cd tell

Mayor: difficult to tell

MS moved:

            THAT all written and verbal submissions, regarding Development Variance Permit No. 06?042 (2446 Halston Court) up to and including the Council Meeting held on October 16, 2006, be received.

CARRIED

10:12

MS:  further move staff report; don't know anything about roof pitches so move

            THAT Staff report back to Council regarding submissions received at the October 16, 2006 Council Meeting to allow Council to make a determination on Development Variance Permit Application No.  06?042 (2446 Halston Court).

CARRIED

Mayor: back when report ready

SJN: about two weeks

RECOMMENDED: THAT "Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005 Amendment Bylaw 4489, 2006" be introduced and read a first, second and third time.

12.      Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence

BYLAWS FOR ADOPTION
13.       Tax Exemption Bylaw No. 4488, 2006  (File:  1610?20?4488)

            This Bylaw received third reading at the October 02, 2006 Council Meeting.

PASSED [MS left???]

CORRESPONDENCE FOR CONSENT AGENDA [all listed in previous issue]

14.       Correspondence for Action and Information

14.2            M. and A. Ashurst, The Black Dog Cookie House, September 27, 2006, regarding ID system for commercial dog walkers

                    Referred to Director of Administrative Services for consideration and response.

JC: my recolln there was going to be some identification, they didn't like a vest and seems we're insisting on vest and they're getting snagged, getting hot,etc; are we being arbitary?

Mayor; we are; said armbands

RB (DoAS): my understanding NV and our staff discussing other {means of identification}

14.3            N. Butt, September 27, 2006, regarding bylaws and garbage pick-up (File:  1775?02)

                    Referred to Director of Administrative Services for consideration and response.
Sop: intolerable in their mind

woken up with clang in early morning and no response from company about altering position

RB: my understanding staff has had some discussion with company; some changes

not to satisfaction to residents, see if more alterations can be made

Sop: half an hour

RB: to 8 o'clock; staff will be responding with a copy to Ccl

...

14.30          B. A. Dozzi, Manager, Roads and Transportation to M. Angus, September 25, 2006, regarding sight lines at intersections

Sop: answered re sightlines from Dozzi

have grown in some places have to come to a dead stop

wonder if time another report back to us

still know of intersections that are dangerous, block views

JC:Police Stn at 13th, and

Mayor Mr Barth?

EB: try to address don't have eyes everywhere

Cclr Sop, let us know and we'll look at them right away, JC too

bylaws-- our budgets don't allow us to re bushes; some

only if not compliance do and bill homeowner

if pressing concern wd not let process take a long time

Sop: I've seen some and mentioned in past

own passion these intersections dangerous

EB: I'm one of those residents; I'll give Brent a call about intersections

CAO: put in Tidings

Mayor: eyes on the street

...

MS has left, so withdraw

10;22

= JF: Fri evening attended WV Cmnty Fdn gala evening

"Mindbenders", history of rock and roll

group dressed, drag them up to stage; what an amazing group of good sports

four area biz men each diff hat doing a rousing rendition of YMCA

presented the chair, Liz Byrd, with a chq for $50K

wonderful, assist them in their fundraising

= JC: last Thursday, monthly mtg of GVRD Finance; half million dollar budget for 2007; passed

come to light there's a debris trap on Fraser River that traps tons of material that comes down

funds nearly dried up; interesting that WV the only M that contributes to that trap

push it, Mayor; challenge the other Ms; where debris comes from

recipients on our beaches

also attended yesterday the 60th wedding anniversary of Jim and Betty McCarthy

Jim's been twice nominated as citizen of the year; quite a couple and quite a gathering

Mayor: congratulations

want to thank Cclr V for being at opening

VV: worked very well

= Mayor: No ccl mtg next Monday, in Victoria (UBCM)

secured mtgs: finance, transportation, sports, culture, tourism, ....

Friday night is our annual civic party

we've changed, opened up who invited this year; 95% participation; expecting 400 other cmnty leaders to join us, without whom we cd not do our job.

16.  PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

CR (sick, and with cold; my coughs etc omitted from this transcript):

Pls excuse my voice.

The Lower Caulfeild debate that you had brought up to my mind something that I hope Ccl will address and perhaps the M Mgr, Mr Stuart, will say that it already has been, I hope b/c there's a draft out {referring to the cmte restructuring/reorganization), but....

Some years ago you might remember ppl were allowed to speak during cmte mtgs before a recommendation was made and I know you do this in Ccl chambers, and then it was stopped, and then it was appropriately said, as I had told ppl that there shd be a division -- there shd be information only and that lobbying or points of view [were to be done in front of] Ccl {ie, not adv cmte} -- and I remember several ccl mbrs, I think Cclrs Soprovich and Day at the time, also felt that information shd come before a cmte made a recommendation.

The reason I bring that up is that when there was a discussion about the LCAC, it was pointed out that that was the one cmte in wch the residents were, b/c it's a different way set up, they were supposed to be able to speak before the recommendations were made by the cmte, so I was quite intrigued when I heard one of the speakers say that they were not allowed and I wondered if it was b/c someone had not understood the purpose of that cmte.

So that was one thing and I know you're going to review the guidelines, and I know it's really important for them to divide between information and opinion, and I'm sure you'll try to make that clear, but then...

so I wanted to bring that up b/c that was not in the guidelines that we were told were supposed to be at that cmte although it had been changed for others...

and perhaps the Mgr cd tell us if he's proposing new -- I'm very excited about the new sets of working groups, etc. -- perhaps the MMgr cd say if there will be provision in whatever the new system is that residents who have relevant information will be allowed to provide that before a recommendation or motion is made.

Mayor: Mr Stuart?

MMgr/CAO: Under the new scheme, there's really three standing cmtes of Ccl and standing cmtes of ccl always have the right if they wish to accept citizen input,

and certainly we anticipate that the working groups are going to be a lot more flexible,

but we will be working with the cmnty engagement cmte

to work out some guidelines so that everybody knows how exactly how that works and we can avoid some of the confusion we've had in the past.

CR: that's really great to look forward [to].  I just wanted to make sure b/c I heard that anomaly tonight and it was strange b/c that was the one group it was supposed to be functioning in.

look forward to that.

thank you v much

Mayor: M Taylor, thank you for waiting:

M Taylor: on behalf of West Bay Elementary School Playground Cmte to present you with this card signed by all the students of the school to thank you for the funding provided to give us our upgraded playground.

Mayor: Fantastic.  Thank you for all your hard work.

~10:31 == 17. ADJOURNMENT

CALL TO ORDER /  1.  APPROVAL OF AGENDA

2.         Adoption of October 16, 2006 Regular Council Minutes:  To be provided on-table

DELEGATIONS

3.         D. Gottlieb-Tanaka, The Society for the Arts in Dementia Care, regarding request for support in principle to establish a Centre for the Arts in Dementia Care on the North Shore

REPORTS

RECOMMENDED:

            THAT installation of underwater and inter-tidal geothermal works in the public foreshore adjacent to 5355 Kew Cliff Road be permitted subject to:

(a)       Installation be in accordance with the report dated August 9, 2006 from Coast River Environmental Services Ltd., entitled 5355 Kew Cliff Road, West Vancouver - Restoration Planting Plan;

(b)       Receipt of confirmation by Transport Canada and Fisheries and Oceans Canada that the works and specifications meet their requirements;

(c)        Receipt of a signed letter of intent from the owner indicating a commitment to enter into a foreshore agreement once the foreshore policy has been ratified;

(d)       Works on the lot be brought into conformity with the Zoning Bylaw;

(e)       Following the works on the lot being brought into conformity with the Zoning Bylaw, the owner apply for and obtain a building permit for existing works in the "Accessory Area" and "Bank Protection Area"; and

(f)         Receipt of a $10,000 performance security.

RECOMMENDED: ... Request to allow for a hedge and rock retaining wall in the public boulevard be approved.

RECOMMENDED: ... be renewed until revoked by Council resolution.

RECOMMENDED: THAT

            1.         Notification for Development Permit which would provide for periodic maintenance and re-alignment of dock and float facilities, be waived; and

            2.         Development Permit 06-046 (5776 and 5782 Marine Drive) be approved.

RECOMMENDED: report dated October 19 ... be received for information.

9.         Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence

BYLAWS FOR ADOPTION

10.       Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005 Amendment Bylaw 4489, 2006

REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA

11.       Development Variance Permit 06-032 Amendment (6836 Copper Cove Road)             RECOMMENDED: ... report dated October 13 ... be received for consideration on Monday, Nov 06, 2006.

12.       Development Permit (for subdivision) Application No. 06?044 (6015 Eagleridge Drive) RECOMMENDED: ... report dated Oct 19 ... be received for consideration on Monday, Nov 20, 2006.

13.       Quarterly Report - Community Centre Construction ...  received for information.

 CORRESPONDENCE FOR CONSENT AGENDA

14.       Correspondence for Action and Information

14.1            L. Feil, Executive Director and D. Hopkins, Artistic Director, undated, regarding request for delegation re Mountain Mardi Gras

                    Referred to the Municipal Clerk for response regarding delegation scheduling.

14.2            F. G. Smith, October 16, 2006, regarding discarded shopping buggies (File:  1775?02)

                    Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

14.3            Committee and Board Meeting Minutes

        (a)         West Vancouver Memorial Library Board Minutes, September 06, 2006

        (b)         North Shore Advisory Committee on Disability Issues Minutes, August 31, 2006               

        (c)         Arts & Culture Strategy Implementation Select Committee Minutes, April 21, 2006                                            

        (d)         Arts & Culture Strategy Implementation Select Committee Minutes, May 17, 2006

14.4            Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) Executive and First Nations Summit Task Group, October 12, 2006, regarding available funding for First Nations Regional Community-to-Community Forums

14.5            G. Franklin, October 22, 2006, regarding 2006 Scouts Jamboree on the Air - North Shore

                    Attachments available for viewing in the Legislative Services Department.

14.6            Y. Martin, Chair, Corean Canadian Coactive Society, October 21, 2006, regarding invitation to gala dinner

14.7            H. Schoemaker, Manager, Corporate Relations, Greater Vancouver Regional District (GVRD), October 20, 2006, regarding December 2, 2006, Council of Councils Meeting to Discuss the Review of the Regional Growth Strategy

14.8            O. Hungr, October 24, 2006 regarding Almondel Road Bridge and Blue Bus 253

14.9            D. R. Corrigan, Mayor, City of Burnaby, Oct 20, regarding Polybrominated Diphenyl Ethers (PBDEs)

14.10          B. A. Dozzi, Manager, Roads and Transportation to K. Bunting, October 19, 2006, regarding Westmount - Sidewalks

14.11          B. A. Dozzi, Manager, Roads and Transportation to G. Burns, October 19, 2006, regarding Lions' Gate Bridge Graffiti

14.12          E. Barth, Director, Engineering & Transportation to D. and S. Erb, October 18, 2006, regarding Collingwood School - Morven Campus

14.13          R. A Beauchamp, Director/Administrative Services to N. Butt, Oct 18, regarding garbage pickup

14.14          No items presented.

15. REPORTS FROM MAYOR/COUNCILLORS; 16. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS; 17. ADJOURNMENT

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