West Van Matters - WVM2006-38: Dec 18th NOTES; Calendar to Jan 7th

=== Next Ccl Mtg Monday Jan 8th ===

NOTE: Nominations for a DWV Heritage Award end January 15. Call Hall 925 7000 and ask for Stephen Mikitich, Planning/Heritage

=== CCL N= OTES Dec 18th ===

[Best efforts typing transcript during mtg; corrections/clarifications/additions welcome; names best guesses]

~7pm CALL TO ORDER

1, APPROVAL OF AGENDA -- Approval of December 18, 2006 Regular Council Agenda

Addition of Item 14 to replace ccl mtg schedule

2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES -- December 04, 2006 Public Hearing Minutes.

Mayor: any discussion?

Sop: I've commented on this before. I don't know how it's perceived to be changed in relationship to minutes and what is stated in minutes and how they're written. It gives no indication whatsoever as to what's transpired for the most part, or the flavour of a particular item on the agenda in relationship to what's written down -- no offence to anybody. Is there another method we can be looking at that wd better satisfy [us] on Ccl from an interpretation of minutes at a mtg that maybe we weren't at?

Mayor: are you speaking about an absence when really you had declared a conflict of interest wrt Ev Dr?

Sop: no, in relation to all minutes that come, [also] in previous time when we had cmtes

if that was the only document coming to inform Ccl, it really doesn't bring about the flavour of the mtg in relationship to what is stated in the minutes and therefore although we understandingly get minutes at certain time increments, that's okay. The content of the minutes don't give what I'm looking for as a document of communication.

Mayor: I'd just like to say we're looking at adopting minutes at a PH at wch you were not participating, and just a little concerned about comments made in case it be misconstrued, although we wish to follow up on those comments. So I'll ask Ccl to approve the minutes.

[DONE]

Mayor: if you want to comment

Sop: nothing to do with Ev Dr, minutes in general

wonder in future discussions, in new year, whether we can look at possibility of, as to the

reason or reasoning behind how we can improve for minutes to go ahead reflect, maybe more intent, what was said at particular mtgs. Nothing to do with Evelyn Dr.

Mayor: Mr Stuart--

CAO: We moved into using the new Web coverage, all Ccl's discussions are available over the Web, in addition to the fact they're actually catalogued by item number, so we've moved away from having detailed minutes in place of having that information available at Ccl's and cmnty's fingertips. Otherwise we get back to requiring add'l staff and then using two streams. We're using an older scheme shall we say and a newer scheme and we're not really getting the efficiencies as a result of moving to the new technology.

JF: I have no objection to our present minutes. I find them accurate, clear; don't understand Cclr Sop's concern. Perhaps we cd have this discussion at a workshop or one of our study sessions on a Wed morning.

Mayor: or when our ccl procedure bylaw comes forward, can look at it. We'll just hold that thought then Ccl Sop.

Sop: tyvm. And it wasn't my intent that they weren't accurate. I think it's the meat of when there's comments within, as we ask the public to go ahead and comment on a particular item, then as it comes forward to us and you read the minutes there's no real basic meat there to say what truly went on. ... by interpretation, regardless of what goes on the Web or not.

Mayor: thank you.

[to agenda]...helps if you sign up to speak to an item. We don't have public comment at Delegation nor when a PH has been closed.

{well, except if you're Dennis Perry and it's the WV Equestrian Ctr delegation}

Before moving to agenda, MMgr may want to make a stmt wrt power outage.

CAO [here's statement provided to me]: "We experienced a significant windstorm Thursday night resulting in substantive power outages. A West Vancouver emergency centre was mobilized as was a North Shore Emergency Operations Centre. At different times, in excess of 20 West Vancouver streets were completely blocked [owing] to fallen trees. Floating debris, waves, and a high tide resulted in closures to the seawall and waterfront parks as well as structural damage to the Ambleside pier. Gleneagles Community Centre was used as an Emergency Reception Centre as most of our municipal facilities were without power including the Municipal Hall and the Seniors' Centre. Many of the District water and sewer pumping stations had to be powered by emergency generators to keep the District's systems in operation during the power outages. Special attention was paid to extended care centres to ensure that adequate power and/or heat was available. Both Hydro and District crews worked through the night and into the weekend dealing with snow, tree, and power issues. By late Sunday, power had been restored to most areas within the Municipality."

Snow complicated things.

A few isolated pockets without power but crews working on that and trying to get back by 6 o'clock this evening

Mayor: tyvm. Understand you're addressing our lack of generators -- what particularly concerns us, as a Ccl, is that the Srs' Ctr, wch is our receiving ctr, doesn't have a generator; is that true?

CAO: that's true, and in fact, nor does Gleneagles for that matter, so we'll be looking at that wrt all of our facilities and all of our requirements for the 2007 capital budget.

Mayor: on behalf of mbrs of Ccl , the M server was down for three days so we didn't receive email for wch we apologize.

7:10

DELEGATIONS

3. BC Hydro, regarding Conservation Research Initiative (File: 0120-24)

Mayor: Ron Monk [sp?] from BC Hydro

RM: not in position to comment on current situation; crews busy addressing system; happy to come back later to talk about that; decided to focus on restoring power

help us better understand time-based rates; change usage patterns; benefits

smart meter located at ppl's homes

using new system so no need to send ppl out to read meters; using radio frequency or cellular

will help us determine whether ppl have power or not

power distribution system, switching, improving efficiency

eliminates 'estimated' usage

allows improvement of billing process

higher price during peak periods so encourage ppl to conserve

near real-time feedback

have here a sample monitor, have in my kitchen; amt of dollars per hour, has a feedback effect

can say to my family what's going on we're using $2 worth of power right now!

came home one day and showed using 31 cents per hour, so went on a treasure hunt around the house with my seven-year-old daughter, and said I'd give her what we saved in an hour (but some rules, told her she cdn't turn the TV off on her sister). We got it down to 10 cents so I counted out the 21 cents for her and she said, "Daddy, that's not very much money." I explained it was just for one hour and there are 8,760 hours in a year so opp to save some money. She's now turning the lights off more than I am. That's impressive.

Survey, meters; 10K customers -- Vanc, North Shore, Bby; and Campbell River; and Fort St John so diff areas/ranges, different peak hours

Random selection

av household using 1000 kilowatt hrs per month so that's about $60/mo

[survey] concentrated on sgl fam houses b/c in apts, one heats up another

sent mail out in Sept to participants

eg peak periods 6 cents goes to 25 cents and higher

asked ppl to sign up during pilot period

[To Sop question re undergrounding, answer was that he cd report back]

Sop: appreciation to crews at this time

Ans: thank you

VV: has BC Hydro done any studies of wind patterns to have windmills?

Ans: have done wind studies, five years ago

independent, private companies doing studies; we entered into talks with two -- one in north coast and Pr Rupert.

VV: any agreements with Ms

Ans: not in the case of wind but in the case of small hydro

JC: piqued my interested with peak periods

you're trying to alter human behaviour

6am to 9pm breakfast blowdrying hair and in evening watching TV -- how do you propose to change?

Ans: I have an air source heat pump; uses electricity but gets most of heat from outside air, heats home from 3 to 3:45pm and thermostat low from 4 to 9pm

other things can be done: most modern dishwashers have timers so can set to come on later

my spouse was doing laundry during peak period and I suggested it was not a good idea

so agree, some things difficult to shift outside of peak periods

Mayor, to laughter: do it yourself

interested in results you come up with, await report

re storms, learned between first and later; able to put system with you in place; thank you for that.

JF: really think what BC Hydro is doing, letting ppl know what they're using is excellent, like universal watermetering. Fits in with sustainability WV is striving for. Did you mention how one of our residents cd get hold of that gadget to monitor their usage?

Ans: we gave to 300 to test as to whether good device?

built by Blue Line Innovations, cd make av to MClk; price $150 and can be strapped on

JF: if saving 21 cents an hour, ppl might be interested

will be a lot of disappointed dogs now that you're not sending round your meter readers

7:32 [but jumped to Item 5, REPORTS]

4. D. Dhaliwal, Director, Sales and Marketing, North Shore News and D. Smith, North Shore Credit Union regarding North Shore Spirit of 2010 - Committee Progress and Potential Projects be received.

Mayor: D Dhaliwal has not yet arrived so will have it then

7:50 (when ms Dhaliwal arrived)

Dee Dhaliwal: we have selected Justin Bell

JB: we have paper copies or can it be put up on overhead?

[Slide presentation]

What is Spirit BC?

Olympic logo can't be used but prov wanted awareness so created Spirit of BC brand

many cmtes around province up and running; so far 250 events

our Spirit Cmte is 22 mbrs, mayor is our chair

been travelling around BC; Ms struggling as to what their mandate shd be

want to create a cultural festival in February

celebration from Deep Cove to Lions' Bay in those three weeks

Secondly, around economic devt. Hosting is second objective, more in tourism line of biz

Final one is to build a trail that runs from Deep Cove to Lions' Bay at lower level (not as difficult as Baden-Powell trail), walk it; opp to engage ppl at all levels, sponsorship opps; trail already under way phenomenal feature, draw

[slide showing names of those on team]

have been to DNV and CNV tonight, so objective to get feedback tonight

feel Spirit of BC Week announcement in Feb

asked a lot about budgets; know funding from fed, prov, and priv sector but we haven't sized the projects

eg, locomotion fund; now plan budgeting and funding

Sop: v positive in what you've stated

want some legacy

my concern no closer today than five years ago in coming up with plans including money

now 2007, and you know how fast

you folks after same funds; not saying we shdn't be working together but quite obvious 2010; we can't put out a lot of money but can help

we've got to get on with it

if you're going to ask for money, got go after it now, shd hv applications in now

JB: agree; hv set some objectives you can focus on

a group was looking at bike trails so said roll it into one, call it a Spirit Trail

a lot of the spirit cmtes in formative time

2010 doesn't move and 2009 will be a blur

got an initiative, roll it in

that's why we've come today to see if you feel good about the three objectives

Mayor: ask Mr Barth about our cycle path so we're part way there

EB: DWV ... working on a cycling network, a greenway path to LGB

currently have in our budget to proceed with that

will look at govt funding for green progs and look at others; hope we'll be part of first pieces

Mayor: goal of local govt

Sop: other than arts and culture and this trail, is that it?

we're not going to get anything unless we get out and hustle for it

JB: hosting needs more fleshing [out]

CAO: John Furlong will be here in January, re 2010 Olympics and confident some legacies

can't comment until then, Jan

Mayor: how received in NV?

JB: well. Both asked where's the money so that's our task

highly supportive overall

Mayor: thanks; teams able to focus on that over the next few years

see you in Feb for the real kick-off

ends 8:05

7:32

REPORTS

5. Hollyburn Ridge Cabin Permit to Occupy Transfer/Assignment - #97 (File: 1145-04-97)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the non-family transfer/assignment of the Permit to Occupy for Cabin #97 be approved as per the Hollyburn Ridge Cabin Permit to Occupy, Clause 20(b).

{the administrative fee charged is $50, but that doesn't even cover DWV's costs; furthermore, no mention of how much the transfer was sold for -- have heard of amounts such as $30K, $50K, and higher

UPDATE: still checking but understand it was between $50 and $60K.}

6. Hollyburn Ridge Cabin Permit to Occupy Transfer/Assignment - #203 (File: 1145-04-203)

RECOMMENDED: THAT The non-family transfer/assignment of the Permit to Occupy for Cabin #203 be approved as per the Hollyburn Ridge Cabin Permit to Occupy, Clause 20(b).

{same as above!}

7:34

7. Correspondence to Council (File: 0120?24)

RECOMMENDED: THAT

1. The Correspondence Policy be revised as follows:

(a) When correspondence from private citizens addressed to Council is received the author will be contacted to query whether the author consents to the listing and publication of the correspondence in the Council agenda package (hard copy and electronic copy). Where action is required the correspondence will be forwarded immediately to the appropriate director for consideration and response, with a copy of the response to be provided to Council.

(b) If consent is confirmed the correspondence will be listed and published in the next Council agenda with a hyperlink to the document and included in the agenda package.

(c) If consent is not confirmed the correspondence will not be listed or published. (Regardless of consent Council will continue to receive all correspondence addressed to Mayor and Council in weekly correspondence packages.)

(d) Any correspondence that is included in a report to Council must have the consent of the author in order to be listed and published; otherwise the author of the report must sever all personal information from the correspondence before it can be included in the report.

(e) Minutes of board and committee meetings will be listed and published on the agenda with a hyperlink to the document and included in the agenda package.

(f) Correspondence that is not from private citizens will be listed and published on the agenda with a hyperlink to the document and included in the agenda package (provided there are no other legal issues prohibiting publication).

(g) Correspondence to Council will be provided to Council in weekly correspondence packages.

{Pleased but amazed! still appears a costly cumbersome way to go but at least it's in the right direction back to letting us know what ppl are writing about. Let's just inch them forward a bit more. Perhaps those who shut the system down were spooked by a letter worrying about privacy, but they weren't around some years ago when a letter to the Hall or just addressed to Mayor or just to Ccl did NOT become part of the public package and there were complaints wanting to know what happened. I know personally of many and had to explain the policy was that in order to become part of the package residents had to address their letters to Mayor AND Council. That was the rule that had been in place from the 1980s.

Several other Ms do it.

Anyway, the bottom line is that the CONTENT must be public (unless libel of course), as well as the municipality of the resident plus name (unless some extraordinary reason for it to be withheld). Petitions always have to have whether someone lives in the District or not to validate.

If there's no problem with letters wrt Public hearings (and Devt Permits) being made public, then just make it PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE.

When this tempest in a teapot -- with the potential to scald -- calms down, we might be well advised to examine how this behind-closed-doors, barrier-raising, info-closing, over-reaction/officious decision was made to avoid such retroactive measures taken without public debate by Ccl in future.

What mentally blinkered mind refused to let us read letters from MLAs, Minister Falcon and the GVRD as shown in Correspondence below, not to mention blocking the minutes from cmtes wch cdn't by any stretch of the imagination be deemed a privacy issue? Disappointed Ccl just accepted it, but nice that Ccl at least asked for a report, so now we have a reversal, but what a colossal waste of time by some apparently zealous impatient over-active staff.

It's so ridiculous b/c it wd have taken a lot of staff time if requests had been made for every letter under FOI legislation!

In any case, there are simpler and faster ways of dealing with such an issue.

What a waste of time and effort.

Is there a lesson here?

An ounce of prevention needed???}

CR:. thank you; you zoomed through that; apologies, while in lobby thought I heard something about correspondence so don't know if relevant to that or not.....

Anyway as a bit of background and context--

This blocking of the minutes and the Correspondence section, I understand was b/c of a complaint to do with privacy and I thought I'd let you know that about 20 years ago b/c of complaints from citizens who had written to Ccl and they WEREN'T part of the ccl package, the decision was made at that time that residents had to write to M&Ccl for it to be put on the public agenda. So there was a rule then that that's what was expected, if you wrote to both, not just one cclr or staff mbr, and clearly this worked well for 20 years.

Obviously you must know if the writer is a WV resident.

While pleased I see in the recommended motions, quite pleased with the steps enumerated on the agenda to restore public information, as you know if it's a PH or a DVP or something, that wasn't blocked, it kept on being part of the link and made public. And so it occurred to me that it might be a v simple, cost-effective, efficient step to change the agenda item to PUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE, b/c if it's assumed if it's a PH, it's going to be public; if you change that item on the agenda to Public Correspondence then it's clear, and you don't go through all [that], and you automatically have a policy of just leaving the name and the cmnty of residence b/c you don't want to get lots of letters from somewhere else. You want to know it's a WV resident.

So maybe that v simple measure might save money and become efficient if you just change the title to Public Correspondence. They assume Public Hearing is; Public Correspondence is.

tyvm

JC made motion

Sop: this is an improvement to what was before

we've always said to citizens of this cmnty, want to be transparent and open; done that in lots of areas, we're improving on it

we've always said you have a problem, you write and it comes to this ccl chamber

good policy.... worked well

as we're increasing our use of Internet, just wonder if through this process we just black out name and particulars

there haven't been that many

privacy'

be quite easy; we'd get the msg

staff have to

don't think a lot of citizens realize their opp

don't think it wd be lost b/c broaden

call countless ppl

don't think that many out there with that concern

don't know why not follow up on that

CAO: that was suggestion from our solicitor

we're suggesting we try this for six months

Sop: Well, I'll go for six months

if not many .....

citizen writes in and we're going to deal with it

within this format

go along, see how it works

MS: thank you, I have to agree with Cclr Sop; soln to a non-existent problem

can't see why writing to M&Ccl is a privacy issue

ppl objecting to cameras, fallen off left side of spectrum

how are our staff supposed to get a hold of these ppl, ppl who work; unless Ms Scholes have to work in evening to call?

one of the letters said it wd be advisable to delete address

joe Jones on MDr is enough

to ask our staff in evenings, to ask if can be published on agenda

obvious response from ppl, why do you think I wrote a letter?

what are they going to do, sue us?

carry on as before

CAO: already send out an ack card, all we're going to do is send out a card, asking them to call if they have an objection

put a box and check it off

VV: This is way govt starts to get expensive and not nec

Ms Reynolds made a good point -- Correspondence is public, cd have Public Correspondence

when we put out one of those advertisements [or TIDINGS], put a little sentence there, Note to effect: all letters to M&Ccl [will be public]

I'm happy to communicate with public, but less expensive, not involve telephoning or requiring public to return by phone or card

wd like to do on basis that writing to M&Ccl [it's] an open democratic govt

we're here to represent the public so we really shdn't be receiving correspondence that's private

so if we just stick with that principle and hope that the public comes to understand that

really wd be surprised if we'd be sued for conducting public biz in public

JF: wish it were that simple

ppl cd write and ppl wd know

life wd go on as always but unfortunately a number of cclrs with power outages not able to read

the whole issue began as a response to a number of residents b/c of publication of their names and address, email address, ph nos and personal information of their families

in days of identity theft, obligation to protect them and M

while I wish it were different

put this in place for six months, gives them, gives them an opp

take a look at it

....

RD: some criticisms here; going to be awkward

send an ack card out saying do you consent, most ppl will say yes but won't do it even though [want/don't mind]

put a box [saying] don't want, makes more sense, so they'll write to us

simpler easier to delete addresses, email

wd go along with trial period

we can inform ppl if they're going to write to ppl, going to publish -- or not write at all

[put in] Tidings

Mayor: began b/c of a genuine concern; puts the onus on M to protect owner's identity

know we resist; know we have enjoyed

also we were trying to find more time

onerous photocopying all

no doubt will come to Ccl, question is if in Lib and on Internet

that has been abused

seems suggestion almost as cumbersome as what we're trying to avoid

can I ask MClk how efficacious?

MClk: card as CAO said; box for consent and we'll monitor

Mayor: three months as an amendment?

MClk: no

[Motion carries for a trial period of three months]

ends 7:50

{See comments at PQP and after adjournment at end}

8:06

8. Proprietary Transit Shelter Service - [Lions'] Gate North Bridge Head (File: 3295-01) RECOMMENDED: THAT

1. Council receive the report from the Manager Roads and Transportation entitled Proprietary Transit Shelter Service - [Lions'] Gate North Bridge Head.

2. Council direct staff to execute the proposed contract with Pattison Outdoor Advertising for the provision of a proprietary transit shelter service at three locations in the area of the [Lions'] Gate North Bridge Head.

EB: before Ccl on a couple of occasions so seeking authority to proceed with contract

my colleague Kevin has offered to put up some drawings

comes out of FSTF re looking for other sources of revenue

will be $4K revenue instead of cost

offset 60K in costs, reduce $2500 in maintenance costs; one week of advertising for DWV every three months

another concern that had been raised was the content, what was our recourse; we've been v fortunate with Pattison Company. In their biz v concerned. Willing to amend and in sole opinion of MEngr if not acceptable

view this as a win-win situation

Sop: I was on FSTF cmte, looking for savings, and this cd be one of them but I think the question is what kind of cmnty we want

advertising techniques others have and lack of sign control

we've always prided ourselves on limiting excessive advertising when it comes to public domain

this came before us before and we put it off

I still can't bring myself to have advertising on anything we have other than our logo

our entrance not beautification by ministry, yes loop but advertising

in spite of my son advertising on back of bus, I don't like it; don't want to see it

just not my thing, I don't like it and I can't support it

JF: I see this as not only as a derivative from the FSTF but also the chapter on transportation

an alternative to sgl car means of getting around

can't increase public transport through our nbrhds b/c we have one vote

but here's an opp to have a shelter at the bus stop so dry, on windy rainy mornings, seen a lot of them lately

this is a pilot and a small area of the cmnty; owe it to cmnty to try it and get some feedback

if want pristine and no advertising, they'll let us know know three years and can make decision to do away with them

give ppl a good chance to get used to it

costs being saved, comfort and security, encouraging them to leave their cars at home

one question re size of panel for advertising

EB: not sure actual dimensions; typical bus shelters

JF: one panel per shelter?

EB: no; one at ends and the back

Sop: point of order

Mayor: if a point of order, has right to say that

Sop: prob with that

MS no problem at all

Sop: clarification; perhaps Cclr F didn't hear me; if we don't go ahead, still going to put a shelter? this is about a contract, business

JF: not my understanding any intention to put bus shelters up

Sop: yes we do

EB: answer in between. We have one, damaged; one currently doesn't have a shelter and wdn't put one there b/c of cost; wd like to add these shelters wd be much better than what we can afford

VV: two questions here as Cclr Sop was attempting to elucidate

if we need shelters, from taxes

shd arrange our affairs so we can; don't like that the only way we can have shelters is advertising

Mr Barth has moved this to a veto on any advertisement we find unacceptable not sure if that's sufficient control

advertising is to draw ppl's attention so not likely to be discreet

some elderly may like, advertising on TV not acceptable as a few years ago

does affect quality of life; not something we shd do

wd like to think we can have shelters

better off without this deal and paying for our own shelters

MS: to me this is a no-brainer

we have a local resident who wants to provide $60K so residents don't have to stand in rain

otherwise wd hv to go into budget and may not meet the test; really needs no discussion in my opinion

we've tried to encourage staff; staff went out to find ways of doing things without dipping into our pockets

Mr Barth went out and found a way and instead of putting our arms around him for leading the way we're raining on the parade

this thing shd be passed unanimously and we shd be moving through the agenda

JC: I'm not hugging Mr Barth yet

I too advertise on the back of buses, they do not run in WV they run in NV and Bby

we can discuss what we like and don't like but no veto

Mr Barth shd be looking at budget and maybe fewer curb extensions and put into shelters

see as double standard in that circle -- we screamed about billboards kittycorner to this

flat out can't support it

RD: agree with ev word Cclr Clark said

Mayor: one question -- we absolutely must have that one bus shelter replaced, I've had calls about that -- the one leading up to bridge?

EB: an existing one was damaged

Mayor: what wd it cost?

EB: depends on quality, roughly one third plus annual ongoing maintenance

this group has committed to visiting once a week, removing graffiti etc

Mayor: motion defeated and perhaps staff can come back

8:22

Sop excused himself

9. Comments at the December 4, 2006 Public Hearing on Evelyn Drive Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004 Amendment Bylaw No. 4492, 2006 and Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968 Amendment Bylaw No. 4493, 2006

The Public Hearing for these Bylaws closed on December 04, 2006 and Council is not permitted to receive any further verbal or written submissions after the Hearing has closed.

RECOMMENDED: THAT the report from the Manager, Community Planning dated December 12, 2006 regarding comments received at the December 4, 2006 Public Hearing

{if you have access to the Internet or this report, pls read it and compare it with the transcript in the last WVM issue. This is not at all to suggest that DWV ought to do a transcript but a report that says X spoke relative to Y hardly lets you know what suggestions if any were made. You be da judge.}

on Evelyn Drive Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004 Amendment Bylaw No. 4492, 2006 and Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968 Amendment Bylaw No. 4493, 2006 be received.

RECOMMENDED:

THAT "Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004 Amendment Bylaw No. 4492, 2006" be revised

8:37:

SJN: describes processes; two recommendations, one in 2 about clause in OCP re bldgs two storeys 20ft above that it might be a permitted height; staff recommended that clause deleted. Wd take away presumed height but wd not preclude that if wanted b/c in permit area. In recommendation No 5, limit 508Ksf and 349 units so that's not in question; ambiguity removed, av unit size, consistency and makes it clearer. Proceed with second and third reading; wd not bring back the bylaw until have covenant.

JF: not in favour of first recommendation, DP guidelines

Can move report received.

VV: is this the time to make comments on what was heard at PH?

notice report we have from Planning is by no means comprehensive in discussing the points the public raised; one that shd be there and was raised was growth -- one gentleman said wd hv sprawl if we don't take higher density but we weren't able to discuss at that time

a lot is taking up agriculture land; we haven't had that for some time, cows grazing; we build on rocky outcroppings.

Our OCP says an urban area outside the expected growth area and no expectation; GVRD intends growth along the skytrain

MClk: add [reports] as attached by Mgr of Cmnty Planning

JC: this can come back

all we've seen is hand drawing, no detail no regard for undulation of terrain and to settle at this point is out of order

RD: the cmnty plan did call for mid-rise bldgs, eight to ten storeys, at least that's my reading of it

six storeys and on south side eight

at PH concerns expressed about this clause so support Cclr Clark

JF: I don't think raising these issues out of order, .......

understand the devpr can come to Ccl and request, not by mbrs of cmnty, cannot be negotiated; leaves ball in court of devpr entirely and why I wish to see it removed

Mayor: I think getting to this point good;....; going farther a challenge

I'd be supporting this vision, Schedule C

Mayor: Cclr V? no vote, assumed in favour so

CARRIED

in Schedule C - Evelyn Drive Development Permit Guidelines, by deleting 2.05.

RECOMMENDED:

THAT "Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004 Amendment Bylaw No. 4492, 2006" as amended be read a second time and third time.

RECOMMENDED:

THAT "Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968 Amendment Bylaw No. 4493, 2006" be amended in Schedule A by deleting subsection 103.03(2) and replacing it with the following:

JF read this at 9:03

"(2) for Cluster Housing, the net dwelling unit area excluding parking areas, open balconies, open terraces, common hallways, exterior steps and similar areas; and

MClk: for clarity, add wrt report attached;

second reading 9:04

Mayor: any debate?

NO, PASSED

THIRD READING

9:05

Mayor: wd like to go to MClerk or Mr Nicholls as to what happens

SJN: go to lawyers re covenants

come back then master plan, also come back

Mayor: so another set of objectives

9:05

(3) for Apartments, the net dwelling unit area excluding parking areas, open balconies, open terraces, a maximum 100 sq. ft. per Apartment units of enclosed balcony, common hallways, exterior steps and similar areas."

RECOMMENDED:

THAT "Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968 Amendment Bylaw No. 4493, 2006" as amended be read a second time and third time.

SJN: the staff report describes some technical things and issues

recommendation No 2, expression at PH, re clause re two storeys and concern that was a permitted height; staff recommended deleting that clause and wd take away presume ht increase

wd not stop residents requesting that as an improvement

as a DP area can request, deleting does not stop that

The bylaws themselves, recommendation No 5, 508Ksf, and 349 units and says what's included; provision for the av unit size and there's some ambiguity do 5, 2 and 3 so sq ftg calculated the same as for the 508Ksf

interpretation the same, just makes it clearer

rec is that you proceed with second and third readings and you wd not bring back the bylaw

moved ...

then

VV: wrt to growth if we don't have densification we have sprawl

weren't able to discusss sprawl and that's to do with agricultural land

it's rocky outcrops we build on

obligation to absorb popn

but read from GVRD, WV is outside the central growth area

no expectation WV take

....

JF: not in favour with first recommendation

2.05 of DP guidelines

Mayor: I'm looking at the first

JF:....

VV continues

we contribute, most of us don't get HOG

implication WV not doing our share if not ....

we're not under any obligation to increase density for any of those reasons

JF: section 2.05 being deleted, appreciate request from mbrs of public

at time

JC: point of order; not on floor

Mayor: motion follows but report on floor and raised; happy to ask staff

SJN: this was a clause to allow flexibility

whether views obstructed or ...

our staff reports are not summaries, no longer summary all of the comments; Ccl was there and listened and formed their own...

Mayor: page of agenda does discuss

approp now, w'ell be voting on it text

JF: request was be deleted b/c nbrs wd not have confidence to trust; ceiling re ht wd be kept to

think this and Spaxman report important to aesthetic

rather than a level line at each height, some relief, variances accommodate slope; that might enhance the design

nbrs to north wd be empowered b/c if rigid, some nbrs' view corridor impaired and devpr hasn't ability to move over so doesn't impact view negatively

to have the ability of nbrs to say we'd like to do that; think it wd be in their favour

think no surprises with this but think will be surprises with this inflexibility

important to be kept in

aesthetic for cmnty and nbrs to be empowered to improve their own sightlines

VV: interesting point; comments re Spaxman's report B vs C; there was a row of uniform hts of apts but that was noted by an adv cmte

preferred one by some had openings and wd look better

this attempt for variety suspect to remedy row of blocks

so my opinion not put in that sort of density, this illustrates why Option B better than C and hope my fellow cclrs will recognize that -- uncomfortable Option C

...it is a serious issue

MOTION to receive report CARRIED

Next piece 8:36

8:41 SECOND READING

VV: a little bit sad in a way

began with high hopes

cmnty wanting to see place for affordable, .....

and ppl seeking CB some sort of subsidized or assisted housing

north, at least get hydro lines buried and upgrading as to how street wd look

seems somehow fell by wayside

no decent profit for devpr, forego half, not goos for them

no subsidized, wires not buried; so not really meeting any of the criteria supposed to meet

just 500 more vehicles

going ahead with two traffic studies coming in 32007, one by Mr Barth and one by #####

this is not ending up v well

shd at least be getting those traffic studies

if hi rises with view -- we'd be better to find where else he cd build and get profit

rather sad saga of the Ev Dr project

RD: in my long life as cclr in this cmnty, never get exactly what you want

imperfect

came on ccl 40? years ago

OCP called for a higher FAR

this was a pretty dense devt, felt at time too dense and cmnty wdn't accept it

no sense pushing devt cmnty doesn't want

original thought was 300 350 units and turns out that's what they do accept

public more comfortable

useless to lament density on one hand and subsidized on other

won't be accepted in WV, may in Vanc

this is a compromise

rental housing is scarce so a benefit and there are other benefits in this plan

$2.5M and money for infrastructure

generally speaking about as good a compromise as we're going to get

MS: if we were starting form the start, I wd be opposed for the simple reason that the traffic issues have not been addressed adequately

whereas NSh shd accept share of growth but we have some rights

NSh only part in last 50 years no benefits, re traffic --

Whistler, Bowen Island, Pemberton grown and we sit here not new bridge in 50 years

as far as GVRD, we might as well rename the NSh Chumpville b/c we pay our taxes

we cd say unless transportation we won't accept more devt

failing

doesn't make sense....

went to the hockey game some weeks ago, don't want to sit two hours so took bus and sat for 20 minutes

that intersection is in failure mode

mtg with prov and not a priority b/c .... and not TransLink b/c a provincial responsibility

we sit here as chumps

if, then opposed

point is that OCP allows up to 1.0FAR and investments were made

last ccl rightly commissioned Mr Spaxman

cmte came back with report and cd never figure out if Option B for 250 or C for 350, but clear cd not sustain more than 350 units

ppl are now cutting though Sentinel Hill, along Keith so we're going to have a prob with Keith

came up with a sensible compromise for 300 units for wch I did not get a seconder

[RD visibly objecting]

went home that night and tried to make a ... not to beat my head against a wall too often

have to support wishes of majority

if that's wish of maj, then get on with it

think maj of ccl in favour of C, principal's a WV resident well-regarded, respected

pass second and third readings and hope devt becomes an asset we can be proud of

JF: will be supporting for many reasons; addresses many needs; alternate forms of housing

meet ppl to this day, ppl looking to get out of the four- and five-bedroom houses, anxiously awaiting Ev Dr

don't imagine completed in a year, may take five years and on

include infrastructue in area

traffic TWay, 11th to 13th and above Keith Rd; rationalize traffic along Keith Rd corridor

going to have money put aside for arts and culture, cycling, public transport

all to the benefit of ppl of WV

desires expressed by those participating in OCP

looking forward to green, excellent design, a showcase and gateway

VV: just wanted to comment on Cclr Smith's interesting statement in recognizing the maj so he'll vote in favour; not my interpretation; vote in alignment with what public expect not what others on Ccl hope

re elderly residents but where was that concern when elderly residents felt manoeuvred into selling and moving out?

as a cmnty we shd hv had more respect than have them moved out against their will

that's happened

it's not too late for Ccl to come to terms with what's going to happen, traffic mess, a lot of upset residents

RD: the present motion is really a compromise between B and C

Ccl Smith said 300

Ccl ended up with 319 and 40 rental as cmnty benefit

so this motion as amended while a bit toward C, is not just C

rental housing is sought after; devpr loses money if rental, if not sold units

a number of other things, quite a lot of cmnty benefit? meets needs of...

Mayor: don't find this a sad story

is incrementalism

to go back a bit; study in 2004, it's not as if there's an overwhelming???

57% of those polled in special study areas, given limited opps in WV, Ccl shd consider increasing density limits; this is the exception, not the norm, not high

staff negotiated v hard

55% of those polled felt shd be a variety

feel we're trying to accom ppl here; ppl just don't feel they have a choice

a lot of thought and work on the part of many ppl

we have not gone into what Schedule C says; LEED standards -- feel time it became a standard

feel represents view of cmnty

I'm going to support, i don't know result of Ccl's vote

thank everyone for diligence, listening, and huge effort on behalf of staff

Motion carried VV opposed

9pm third reading

VV: are we allowed to comment?

Mayor: not usually but go ahead

VV: re cmnty benefit, a few million dollars and intersection TWay and MDr

prov responsible LGB up TWay presume prov money, we don't have to spend money to do it

prov says they don't want to deal with WV alone on this, want NV and SqN to agree within ourselves; they feel resp for traffic that does not originate in our Ms

they believe money spent on that hwy shd be in proportion to use; they say over 90% our M so over 90% shd come from our pockets

look at the money out of Ev Dr, the cmnty is going to lose

THIRD READING CARRIES 9:03, VV opposed

other amendments then

9:06

10. Ambleside Town Centre Strategy Report Document (File: 2515?21)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the Ambleside Town Centre Strategy Report document be received and discussed at the January 15, 2007 Committee of the Whole.

SJN: report will be available tomorrow, on website and copies from M Hall

just putting on your table for discussion in Cmte of Whole, understand 22nd

Mayor: changed from 15th b/c Cclr Day travelling

this just for receipt, thank staff for getting it here

9:08

11. Request for Non-Enforcement of Noise Control Bylaw No. 4404, 2005 - Project 90433 Horseshoe Bay Berths 1 & 2 Reconstruction (File: 1605?15)

RECOMMENDED: THAT Council approve the request from BC Ferries Services Inc. to allow the prime contractor, Vancouver Pile Driving Ltd. (VPDL) for the building site at the Horseshoe Bay Ferry terminal for an Order of Non Enforcement of the Noise Control Bylaw No. 4404, 2005 Section 6.1.2(a)(iii) for a maximum of twenty-four (24) days between December 18, 2006 and June 30, 2007 so that specific construction works involving welding and concrete placing can be carried out throughout the night and early morning depending upon tidal changes.

CAO: construction; some at low tide; b/c of inconvenience agreed to make contribution to parks work

Sop: Ferries can do as they please? can we say no?

CAO" can't dos as the please but work with them; Mr Downey in audience

Sop: only.... no piledriving

Ans: contractor in audience as well

Proj Mgr: Piledriving will not be done outside of hours indicated

has to be done at low tide

Sop: can't be done during day?

Proj Mrgr: currently low tide now midnight, fluctuates throughout project

Sop: ?

Proj Mgr: we do have mitigation; direct exhaust north toward Howe Sound

absorb noise

Sop: onus is on you to say not going to happen

cmnty has been though a lot of noise and want to protect them as much as we can

what are you going to do for money

Ans: contribute to park as MMgr said

Sop: what kind?

Ans: looking at about $10K

VV: not sure time for acoustic blanketing

certainly ppl doing explosive work, have shredded times and they're pretty good

wondering something not so expensive cd be tried out

wd to a long way to reducing complaints

Ans: with welding machines, insulting tarps

VV: can a larger version be put alongside the trucks?

Ans; the logistics of the truck, being the vessels, like a barge; the walls of the ship will protect the sound of the motor

VV: appreciate that

see if ppl trying to get a night's sleep; if not sufficient further things you cd think of?

planned measures you believe adequate and if not be back trying to get it resolved

MS: think whatever funds shd go into HBay, not to the floral clock or somewhere

CAO: that is the project

JF: do you know wch nights tide will be low enough between now and June 30th

seems to me cd identify nights so can spend nights with friends or relatives

ppl been through a great deal, hwy and working on terminal for third or fourth time; horrendous for the residents

anything you can do to be sensitive to residents wd be appreciated.

Ans: times, diff to judge; a couple of times a month; affected by weather as well, outside our control

finetune our schedule if they need a week's advance or 72 hours' notice. can try

JF: tidestables so you know wch nights you won't be

Ans: we'll do our best but not just weather, material, supply

JF: not just storms

9:18

12. Council Advisory Committees (File: 0005?01)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the Terms of Reference for the Finance and Audit, Community Engagement and Design Review Committees be approved.

CARRIED

9:19

13. Appointments - Acting Mayors for 2007 (File: 0120?01)

RECOMMENDED: THAT Acting Mayors for 2007/2008 be appointed as follows:

February/March: Councillor Ferguson

April/May: Councillor Day

June/July: Councillor Smith

August/September: Councillor Clark

October/November: Councillor Vaughan

December/January 2008: Councillor Soprovich

9:19

14. 2007 Council Meeting Schedule (File: 0120?01)

Draft Council Calendar

RECOMMENDED: THAT the 2007 Council Meeting Schedule as attached to the report dated December 13, 2006 from the Municipal Clerk be approved.

Mayor:; one cmte of the whole each month; January's Ambleside revitalization

9:20

15. Appointment - Community Engagement Committee -- To be provided on table.

{What possible reason can there be that this cannot be in the agenda and has to wait until the actual ccl mtg to find out or be announced?????}

Cclr VV rescinded and Cclr Sop instead

9:21

16. Fees and Charges Bylaw 4414, 2005, Amendment Bylaw 4495, 2006 (File: 1610?20?4495)

RECOMMENDED: ... be read a first, second, and third time.

Sop: they ask for damage deposits prior to DCCs

any consideration charging a deposit for bldg without a permit and like matters

and if comply get money back

maybe comes under fines

over ten years seen ppl constructing without permit

maybe

SJN: if haven't applied for permit don't but a deposit down first is a stop order and system escalates from there, increasingly unpleasant

stop work order not uncommon

Sop: there are blessings for nonconfomrity and not a leading edge way ppl go

most ppl attend to our laws

blatant disregard for our laws wonder if under fees and charges or fines?

CAO; can be quite complicated wch ones it comes under, sometimes variance

may be punishing ppl for something good

converse is true, some building contrary

sometimes injunction

don't think we've attempted to address this in this bylaw but cd come back after talking with our solicitors

staff have taken FSTF's suggestions serious anlky? and made increases

9:24

BYLAWS for ADOPTION

17. Sewer and Drainage Utility Fee Bylaw No. 3749, 1992, Amendment Bylaw No. 4494, 2006

Mayor: agreed wd allow some discussion prior to adoption

Sop: wrt sewer, know some progs where introduction, toilet replacement prog had more to do with sewer than water consumption initiative indirectly

happened in Robts Crk and somewhere up north

more on the side that excessive amt of water for waste material -- when we entered into this metered system, Mr Barth, there's a rate fee wd have a steadiness for the next ten years

monitored on same meter we'd use for water

EB: good question

for clarity: when we move to metered charge for sewer will be based on metered consumption of water

some fearful watering gardens unfairly charged, we have anticipated that and we're looking at the winter consumption so paying only for what's going through the sewered system

{hm. So winter consumption will determine or affect sewer rate? What about the snowbirds who are away for one, two, or three months so virtually no consumption during the winter even though they're back here in the summer? They win, others lose? What about going away in the summer?

does appear a few questions still to be resolved or explained.}

that's why flat rate

so we can get data

Sop: so 2008 we'd get a better realization based on what?

supposed ev conserving, we cd be assured $1M a year we won't see major increases over the next ten years?

EB: wdn't go that far b/c a signif part determined by GVRD

aware there's a court case....

ongoing capital costs

will continue to be affected by decisions GVRD makes

trying to reduce demand on system and that it accurately reflect sewerage costs.

9:29

18. Waterworks Regulation Bylaw No. 4490, 2006 (File: 1610?20?4490)

VV: what happens to water used by Aq Ctr or Fire Dept

is there water metered? higher rates for ev? have it clarified?

EB: even prior to universal metering many of our facilities metered and now have all

way cost of that water recovered, through budget of that facility

not a direct burden on taxpayer

VV: thank you; public wanted that to be assured

not wanted subsidization of those previously metered; inadvertently undercharged, will be brought up to level

gave rise to objection general public subsidizing for not better reason than previously been subsidizing.

EB: ev will be paying same volumetric charge

the prog includes for sgl fam, wch includes duplexes b/c basically like sgl; base charge is for provision of water, cost associated with ability to fight fires, so even if you use minimal amt, covered in base charge

charging ev same volumetric charge; proposing phasing in base charge; reason is that when we started to look at the rates looking at limited info we had rates were not really covering....

wd hv felt comf with smaller but were finding sgl fam home using av amt of water, we were looking at increases of 50%, ie $180 to $200 on their annual bill

principle was to change behaviour and didn't see that we really changed it, wd be a haredship

trying to find a way to phase in without burdening customers; many complexities, can't give one number

roughly subsidy to sgl fam wd be $30 a year; tried not to over penalize new customers

VV: don't think any priv company cd charge one group of customers more than anothers

maybe charge, and treat as loan

ppl don't like to see ppl not paying right amt

CAO: hoping to get good data and monitor it and adjust so goal to bring it into line; if can be done within one year wd be great

MS: these rates are going to be fair and consistent

not nbrs over back fence discussing what sort of deal

though Mr B made clear last week and CAO tonight, may disagree with one year; but we can look at this after first quarter billings

going to have uniform fair consistent and understood, ev can buy into and support

Sop: both metered and universal is the same?

EB: yes, volumetric rate same for ev

Sop: so looking at basic charge

so metered vs universal don't see why any more than a year

consumption factor's going to determine bill

if basic charge stable?

look at $30 and phase it?

EB: the reason we chose to work with the base rate

by keeping the volumetric, addresses conservation rate

$30 rate wd be reducing phasing it is and and depends on how quickly

Sop: bulk charge all encompassing, admin fees? Eagle Lake

EB: not all encompassing in the sense that the vol .....

recognizing that there are some costs regardless of what you use, some basic, .....

Sop: in an apt block, how does a strata mbr know his bill?

EB: in that instance it's up to the strata how they want to regulate cost

they cd simply divvy up by number .....

Sop: so it's buyer beware as to what they're going to get

20 apts pay equal share, is that fair?

or by consumption by each apt?

EB: up to strata to achieve whatever equitable way

they need to decide how to distribute

similarly Pk Royal in ev store and monitor that

Sop: not going to say anything more, hear Cclr Smith sighing

9:41

CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS

19. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence

=B7 Item 20 - Development Applications Status List

=B7 Item 21 - Correspondence List

REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA

20. Development Applications Status List (File: 1010?01)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the Development Applications Status List be received.

21. CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR CONSENT AGENDA [Complete list in previous issue]

...9:42

21.20 R. Stilwell, undated, regarding laundry staining caused by Eagle Lake water

JC: letter from Mr Stillwell

white facecloth example of staining

leaching copper

pls ensure Ccl get to see it, I haven't seen it

this is the third -- one on Woodgreen sev months back and one on XXX last week

some form of acid leaching acid from water pipes

water passing through pipes in house can't imagine picking up copper sulphate to turn laundry blue

ppl I've talked to are taking their laundry to Whistler

can't imagine it

water passes through house in a minute

EB: the science behind acidity in water and copper, has to do with amt of oxygen, temperature, etc

we are aware this is occurring in a few instances

a few complaints

wch is why in plans for membrane plane including pH adjustment

Mayor: had a couple of letters that it stay in budget and some thought optional

Ccl concerned, want to make a priority

VV: I have seen the cloth in question

really shd be as a Ccl the cause of ruining the underwear of CCl????

JC: so many other ways we can ruin underwear

9:45

22. REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS

Sop: thanks to staff over past weeks

extreme pressure admirable job

Mayor: thanks too

ppl feel v well cared for

45 volunteers seascapes thanking them

9:49

23. PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS

CR: before the reason I came up --

Just wanted to comment good thing the example you used was a facecloth, given your comments

and the second thing, wrt the Correspondence in the Ccl pkg, I noted without making an amendment you changed it to three months wch is really great, that's appreciated, but also perhaps, I hope without the amendment you can incorporate I think Cclr Day's excellent suggestion that it's only if you don't want something rather than if you do b/c it's obvious that ppl are going to, as he said, you know be away or forget it or whatever so if you made the amendment to three months, perhaps you can do that. His suggestion was excellent.

Anyway the reason that I am coming up is to wish you all a Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year, and to bring you -- when you go behind, to have your little tete-a-tete, I have some chocolates for you to enjoy.

[puts boxes of ferrero rocher on podium]

so Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.

Mayor: Thank you. We will share those with the staff as we always do.

24. ADJOURNMENT

Here's the Correspondence, none of wch was linked so none cd be read. (They have, however, restored the links to cmte minutes -- it's confusing but cmte minutes are in the agenda item called Correspondence.)

How, by any stretch of the imagination, can anyone think any of these wd be breaching privacy? Look at those from the govt for a start. Surely they want their info to be known by the public.

Is there method in their madness? It's unnecessary officiousness/blocking. The rationale doesn't justify as far as they've gone -- and it was suddenly stopped, a decision behind closed doors not even announced at a ccl mtg.

21.4 F. Allardice, Publicity Director, undated, regarding North Shore Artists' Guild Art Exhibition

an exhibition is private???

21.5 K. Higgs, December 07, 2006, regarding Richmond water meter program

the Richmond water meter program is a matter or privacy???

21.6 B. Sharpe, December 06, 2006, regarding Police Chief's severance package

21.7 K. Glynn-Morris, Chair, The North Shore Family Court & Youth Justice Committee, December 01, 2006 regarding Committee Membership (File: 0115-20-NSFC1)

Cmte mbrship is secret???

21.8 K. Falcon, Minister, BC Ministry of Transportation, November 28, 2006 regarding Gateway Program

21.9 K. Falcon, Minister, BC Ministry of Transportation, November 24, 2006, regarding Union of British Columbia Municipalities Convention 2006

Minister Falcon wants his letters blocked so public can't read???

21.10 T. Tuominen, Meeting Coordinator, City Clerk's Office, Public Access and Council Services, City of Vancouver, November 30, 2006, regarding Homelessness

21.11 L. Kazakoff, Meeting Coordinator, City Clerk's Office, Public Access and Council Services, City of Vancouver, December 04, 2006, regarding Implementation of 311 service in Vancouver

Public Access and Ccl Services from a municipal staff person can't be linked b/c of privacy???

21.12 R. Barber, December 05, 2006, regarding water and sewage charges (File: 1815-06)

21.13 B. Poaps, December 06, 2006, regarding the West Vancouver Aquatic Centre

21.14 R. Coleman, Minister, BC Ministry of Forests and Range and Minister Responsible for Housing, regarding BC Building Code and geotechnical assessments of slope stability

This minister wd be upset if we read his letter re slope stability???

21.15 Letter containing thirty-two signatures, December 6, 2006, regarding Eagle Lake water supply

It's a petition! It's required to have name and address, for goshsakes!

21.16 J. Kwan, MLA, Official Opposition, Critic for Economic Development and C. Wyse, MLA, Official Opposition, Critic for Local Govt, Nov 26, regarding Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement

Any MLA who wants a letter written to another govt body doesn't want it public???

21.17 Greater Vancouver Regional District, undated, regarding Board in Brief (GVRD Board of Directors actions on October 20, 2006)

21.18 Greater Vancouver Regional District, undated, regarding Board in Brief (GVRD Board of Directors actions on November 03, 2006)

GVRD doesn't want us to know the directors' actions????

THIS IS JUST PLAIN RIDICULOUS KNEE-JERK CLOSING DOWN THE SYSTEM

AND

THE SUGGESTED WAY OF HANDLING IT IS EXCESSIVE, UNNECESSARY AND POSSIBLY DESIGNED TO TAKE SO MUCH STAFF TIME AND COST TOO MUCH MONEY THAT THE AIM WD APPEAR TO BE TO GET MORE STAFF OR HAVE IT CANCELLED.

THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE. IT'S COMMON SENSE, BUT IT IS NOT APPARENT THAT WILL COME INTO PLAY.

LET'S URGE CCL TO STOP THIS CHARADE OF PROTECTION AND OFFER TRUE PROTECTION WHERE NECESSARY BUT NOT BLOCK INFORMATION NEEDLESSLY THUS CONTRARY TO THE MUCH VAUNTED OPENNESS AND TRANSPARENCY PROMISED DURING THE CAMPAIGN.

WHY USE A HOWITZER WHEN A FLYSWATTER WILL DO?

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10.

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