WVM2007-5
Feb 5th NOTES
Feb 12th AGENDA
Calendar to Feb 18t+
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
Get ready!
HERITAGE
WEEK 2007: FEBRUARY 19 - 25
This year's
theme: "Vernacular Heritage - Architecture
Without Architects"
In British Columbia,
the third week of February is Heritage Week. It begins with national
Heritage Day, always the third Monday in February. In 2007 Heritage
Week will be Monday, February 19th to Sunday, February 25th.
DWV's Heritage awards will be presented at the ccl mtg Monday Feb
19th.
See much more info on WV's Heritage Week at
www.heritage.westvan.org including Heritage Fayre Sat 24th, free
Cypress snowshoe and barbecue, new Fire Museum Open House, as well as
haiku contest (also info at end of newsletter); write to
Haiku2007@heritage.westvan.org or drop off submissions.
ALSO
Happy (Chinese/Vietnamese/etc) New Year! -- Now starting the year
of the Golden Boar
*** THIS ISSUE:
= Ccl mtg Feb 12th: WV Fdn; Civic Youth Strategy; Daycare
Bylaw; Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Planning Process;
Community Centre Quarterly Update; Hugo Ray Park - Update and
Project Adjustment; Spirit Trail; Child Care Working Group; BC
Spirit Squares; Truncated Correspondence :-(
= gRUMBLEs; Vive le Canada; CULTUREWATCH; Salmagundi; Calendar to
Feb 18th+ (plus background on Heritage Week); Ccl Mtg NOTES Feb 5th
(Daycare in WV; 2600blk Nelson; PQP: WVcmte CLOSED MTGS!);
AGENDA Feb 12th; LanguageWatch; Haiku for Heritage Week;
Quotations
=== gRUMBLEs ===
***MY MAIN GRUMBLE: v v hectic two weeks (ADRA AGM, HWk prep, +
work!); sorry WVM coming out later than intended; apologies now for
any omissions!***
=83=83=83 New year not starting well in the notification
area vis-a-vis DWV's mtgs. (See end of Feb 5th Notes
below)
As reported earlier, the Cmnty Engagement Cmte has a spotty
record of notices, mtgs, cancellations, then the week of Jan 29
neither the Finance & Audit Cmte (Tu 30th, Feb 6th), nor the
Rodgers Creek Working Group (Jan 31st) appeared on the DWV
website. It's totally unacceptable for DWV to expect
residents to have to look at the bulletin board outside the M Hall
door to find out when meetings are. Even a towncrier wd reach
more ppl!
When is Ccl going to get serious about openness? transparency?
inclusion? communication?
=83=83=83 Message to Ccl from a discussion on CBC radio to
think about correspondence to municipal govt: every resident
has the right to privacy but not anonymity. Pls let us read
what other residents think and say to you. Name the agenda item PUBLIC
CORRESPONDENCE so residents know when they write to Mayor & Ccl
it's public -- it's up to them, otherwise they can write privately to
staff, to just the Mayor, or just a mbr of ccl. There are
alternatives. Treat it the same as Public Hearings.....
*** VIVE LE CANADA........
Let no one deny the power of language. (See one of
quotations at end.)
There's been a bit of burbling over Quebec and the word nation.
To change anything in Canada wd take a constitution
debate/meeting/change and few have the appetite for that right now,
but let's look at the language. Anyone denying the Quebecois are
a nation is ignorant of its history and govt, and wd hv absolutely no
chance of changing that view or term, but instead wd set up a
storm.
Why?
Well, you know that in BC we have MLAs in Victoria, and a premier
of the province. An MLA is a Member of the Legislative Assembly
who sits in the legislature.
In Ontario, the provincial legislature has MPPs (Members of the
Provincial Parliament).
In Ottawa we have MPs and a Prime Minister of Canada. We
send a Member of Parliament to the House of Commons.
Not so in Quebec, or at least not so in the language.
The provincial govt in Quebec is called the National Assembly
(Assembl=E9e nationale du
Qu=E9bec). The members are MNAs, that is Members
of the National Assembly. Think about it: it's not a
provincial legislature. The leader of both the MNA and the House
of Commons, in French, is le premier ministre (= the first minister). =
;
Think about it: equal title.
In English we gave the first part, premier, to the leader of the
provincial govt, and the full translation to the Prime
Minister. So in French, 'premier ministre' is the term
whether premier or prime minister. Are you beginning to see the
linguistic equality and significance?
No one cd possibly consider seriously, thinking about the
reaction and consequences, that the name of Quebec's provincial govt
shd be changed again. Quebec even used to have a body analogous
to the Senate of Canada, but when this body (called the Legislative Council, in French: Conseil l=E9gislatif) was abolished in
1968, the lower house became the National Assembly.
for many who cd deny it? who can take away their cultural
identity? how can anyone contemplate changing its name?
Another point: the Speaker is called le president in French,
whether provincial or federal.
Ain't the BNA Act wonderful?
=== CULTUREWATCH
===
OPERA -- Thanks again to West Van
Florist -- they supplied the flowers in the foyer of the QET during
the Musqueam Magic Flute (last performance Feb 8). A made in BC
Mozart! Unique experience; let's hope it travels across
Canada.
THEATRE
= Plautus's play, The Swaggering Soldier, at
the Jericho Arts Ctr shows man really hasn't changed much -- he lived
from c254 to 184 BCE. Closes Feb 18th.
= Had to see the adaptation of Naguib Mahfouz's
Adrift on the Nile (ended Feb 10th at VECC). He died
last August at 93. Mahfouz said that when his name was announced
as the winner of the Nobel Prize for Literature there was silence --
probably b/c most didn't know who he was. Of course he's famous
in the Arab world -- an Egyptian intellectual and writer who says he's
a product of two civilizations: Pharaonic and Islamic. Of course
he read some literature of the west but the English translations of
his works are not as good as those in French. This adaptation is
still about intellectuals on a houseboat on the Nile but has been
updated so that there's even a reference to the recent hanging of
Saddam.
= You've also missed the Canadian premiere of Michael
Frayn's Democracy -- excellent production by United Players
at the Vancouver Playhouse, about Chancellor
Willy Brandt and his close aide Gunter Guillaume who turned out to be
an East German spy.
= Cdn't resist seeing Thicker than Water
by David Mackay, directed by James Fagan Tait (both well-known
from Bard on the Beach) for some chuckles and to support local
talent. Takes place on the east side of Vancouver, involves a
brother and sister, put on by Yorick Theatre at Performance Works on
Granville Island, ending Feb 17th.
=== SALMAGUNDI
===
=
In a recent issue of the Globe & Mail, learned that Saudi
Arabia spent about half a billion ($500M!) to restore a river!
Isn't water precious? What a sacrilege ever to sully this sacred
resource we have........
=
Well, you've heard of West Vancouver cougars, I'm sure so here's
the refinement: pumas are under 35 and jaguars over 50.
=
PARK THE TAX COALITION -- As a member of the Park The Tax
Coalition the WV Chamber of Commerce continues to work on behalf of
business in our community to eliminate the TransLink Parking Area Tax.
Over the past year the Coalition has taken significant steps to keep
opposition to the tax front and centre but it is important the voices
of individual businesses are also heard. We encourage you to visit the
Park The Tax Coalition website
www.noparkingtax.ca for an update on the status of the
efforts to date and to see how you can protect your business from this
unfair and inequitable tax.
=== CALENDAR to Feb 18th
===
* SPIRIT OF BC
*
Spirit of BC
Week
From February 9th to
17th West Vancouver will be celebrating our spirit across the
District. There will be special Spirit of BC Week programming at the
WV Memorial Library, a free Spirit Skate at the Ice Arena, and a
Spirit Festival Celebration at The Village at Park Royal as part of
the WinterSong Festival.
Spirit of BC
Week, held every year
in February, is a celebration of our province and its unique
communities, as well as a countdown to the 2010 Winter Games. This
year from February 9th - 17th there'll be exciting events happening
all over BC.
Spirit Festival
Celebration: Feb 10, 11:45am - 6pm
On Feb 10
we'll be turning one block of The Village at Park Royal into a bright,
festive, moving, interactive, celebratory "Opening Ceremonies"
for not only the
WinterSong Festival,
but to introduce an expanded multi-disciplinary Arts & Culture
Festival that will live on to become the District of West
Vancouver's main cultural offering for the 2010 Olympic Games and to
kick-off Spirit of BC Week.
(Please visit www.wintersong.ca for more information on entertainment
and activities)
For more information please call 604 925 7196 or email the Special Events
Coordinator.
Spirit Skate at the West
Vancouver Ice Arena: Feb 10, 3:15 - 4:30pm
... celebrate the
facility's 40th birthday. Please call 925 7250 for more
information.
Celebrating Spirit of BC
Week at the West Vancouver Memorial Library
Friday Night Concert
Series presents Vancouver Opera Touring Ensemble performing The
Magic Flute. This production is an energetic version of Mozart's
captivating tale, set in BC's forests and infused with a First
Nations theme. It is part of the Opera's "Opera in the Schools"
program, and will be enjoyed by children and adults. We are also
fortunate to have Bob Baker (ancestral name S7apluk) of the Squamish
Nation open the performance. Bob has been cultural adviser in this
production, and will set the stage and spirit with First Nation songs
and stories. Feb 9, 7:30 pm
Afternoon Concert in the
Storyhouse with Vancouver Children's performer Will Stroet.
Will's singing and guitar playing are guaranteed to get kids dancing
all day long. Feb 10, 1:30 pm
There will also be a display
set up in the Main Hall featuring books about B.C. and by British
Columbian authors.
Please call 604 925 7400 for more information.
WinterSong Festival - Feb 9th to
17th
West Vancouver's WinterSong Festival celebrates the joy of song
through a wide range of performances across West Vancouver in a
variety of venues; showcasing professional and aspiring talent as well
as providing singing opportunities for all abilities and ages, and
highlighting songs from a broad range of musical styles. See
http://www.wintersong.ca/about-festival.html and tix also available at
the Ch of Comm office.
Please see www.kaymeekcentre.ca for their
events
eg
the Feb. 10, 2007 concert in West Vancouver's Kay Meek Centre for
the West Vancouver premiere of Scott McAllister's "Black Dog"
Clarinet Rhapsody and the World Premiere of Ralph Ford's latest
creation. This is a preview concert for the July 2007 concert tour
that the West Vancouver Youth Band is undertaking.
Date:
Monday, February 12th, 2006 Time: 10:30 - 11:00
am
West Vancouver
Hosts North Shore Sports Awards
The North Shore
Sport Awards committee is pleased to invite you to attend a special
Nomination Kick-Off Event for the 8th Annual North Shore Sport Awards
being held during Spirit of BC Week.
Location:
Park Royal Shopping Centre, North Mall (entrance beside The Gap
store)
Monday Feb 12th at SFU
Harbourside
7pm ~ The Role of Rail Transit in Making
Cities Sustainable
Details: http://www.sfu.ca/city/fpl8popup.htm
Feb 12th DEADLINE to RSVP to 926 6614
Ch of Commerce networking breakfast 7:30am Wed Feb 14th at
Hollyburn Country Club
2010 CULTURAL OLYMPIAD UPDATE
Robert Kerr, Program Director, Cultural Olympiad of the
Vancouver Organizing Committee for the 2010 Olympic and Paralympic
Winter Games (VANOC) will provide an overview and progress report on
the extraordinary arts and cultural program in development for
Canada's 2010 Winter Games. Beginning in 2007 and culminating with
the Olympic and Paralympic Arts Festivals during the Games, VANOC's
Cultural Olympiad will partner with local and national creators and
cultural organizations to create, develop, produce, and present a full
spectrum of arts and cultural events and activities. These Games'
cultural showcase will feature the best of our diverse community's
contemporary, classical, and aboriginal arts together with the finest
works of international artists from nations that participate in the
Games.
=== Tues Feb 13th at the Silk Purse
~6 - 8pm ~ Opening Reception -- everyone welcome
"Photographic Treasures of Cyril R. Littlebury"
Photographer Dudley Booth rescued over 1000 rare negatives
of early Vancouver photographer Cyril R. Littlebury and brings
them to the Silk Purse in a rare exhibition of bygone days of
Vancouver, celebrating national Heritage Week. Discover for yourself
what it was like to walk down Georgia Street in 1925, or sit in the
front cockpit of a Gypsy Moth fighter as it flies over Prospect
Point. Exhibition from Feb 13 to 25
=== Wed Feb 14th Ch of Commerce breakfast (see rsvp
deadline Feb 12 above)
=== Thurs Feb 15th
~ 6 - 8pm ~ NSh Family & Youth Justice Cmte, CNV M
Hall
~ 6:30pm ~ at the Library: Talks "Life+Debt", a
documentary and discussion moderated by Harry Greenwood.
~ 7 - 9pm ~ TOWN HALL MTG, re AMBLESIDE TOWN
CTR STRATEGY (ATCS) at Srs' Ctr
~ 7pm ~ Landmarks, not Landfills:
Keeping Canadian Cities out of the Dumpster
If we can reuse items as small as pop
bottles, why not whole neighbourhoods? At SFU
Harbourside. Details: http://www.sfu.ca/city/fpl2popup.htm
=== Friday Feb 16th
~ 9am - 5pm ~ The Challenge of
Sustainable Development for Heritage Conservation
SFU Harbourside. Details:
http://www.sfu.ca/city/course3popup.htm
*** FERRY BUILDING GALLERY -- Feb 13 - 25
"Retrospective" -- Joan Boyd: ink drawings and
watercolour paintings; Bruce Boyd: paintings.
~ 6 - 8pm ~ Tuesday Feb 13th -- Opening Reception
~ 2pm ~ Saturday, Feb 17th -- Artists' Talk
SATURDAY
CANADA'S LIGHTHOUSES, RICH HISTORY -
UNCERTAIN FUTURE -- FREE Public Lecture at the
~ 1 to 2pm ~ Vancouver Maritime Museum,
Saturday February 17
Join Barry MacDonald, President of the
Nova Scotia Lighthouse Society, as he examines not only the early
history of Canadian lighthouses but also what is being done to ensure
they will survive into the future. The presentation will include
a look at the "Heritage Lighthouse Protection Act, Bill
S-220" as well as examples of what is being done across Canada to
preserve and find new uses for these grand, old beacons.
SUNDAY
FUSION LATINA at Saint Francis in the Wood,
3pm
Toe-tappin', finger-snappin', hip-swayin' Latin fare that's
sure to drive the winter doldrums away.
Fabiana Katz, director
A native of Argentina, Ms. Katz holds a Masters of Music in
Choral Conducting from the College-Conservatory of Music at the
University of Cincinnati. She has directed the Simon Fraser University
Chorus and the Vancouver Lesbian and Gay Choir, and has been music
director at St Mary's Kerrisdale, where she led the Chancel Choir, the
Children's Choir and the Bell Ensemble. She is in demand as a teacher
and clinician at music festivals in BC and Alberta.
Her voice has been described as "chocolate" and
"caramel". Ms. Katz recently retired from the Vancouver
Chamber Choir after 10 years. She has appeared as soloist with the
National Arts Centre Orchestra, the Vancouver Symphony Orchestra, the
Pacific Baroque Orchestra, the CBC Radio Orchestra and the New
Westminster Symphony Orchestra, as well as the Vancouver Bach Choir,
Trinity Western University Choirs, Douglas College Choral Society, the
Amabilis Singers and Richmond Chorus, to name a few. As a recitalist,
Ms. Katz focuses on repertoire which highlights her varied cultural
background: Spanish, Latin American and Sephardic.
Light refreshments included after the
concert.
Venue: Saint Francis in the Wood, 4773 South Piccadilly
Road, West Vancouver
Tickets: General Admission $15 at the door
Or you can call the church at 604-922-3531 for more
information.
MORE AT THE LIBRARY
= Works in the Gallery from Feb 1 to 28, "Stairs to the
Moon", works by Tanya Doskova
= Celebrating Spirit of B.C. Week,
Feb.9-17. Book Displays: Novels, Biographies, Travel & Local
History by B.C. Authors.
===&=
nbsp;
BACKGROUND re HERITAGE WEEK 2007 - February 19 - 25
Vernacular
Heritage - Architecture Without Architects
While the word
"vernacular" may be used commonly enough, there is no
single, easy definition of what the word means. In terms of
architecture and heritage, however, vernacular tends to
be:
*
Ordinary and everyday
*
Informal rather than formal
*
Democratic, inclusive, popular
*
Practical, utilitarian, modest, cheap
* A
reflection of cultural and ethnic diversity
*
Uniform, mass-produced, but sometimes idiosyncratic and
quirky
Where do we find
vernacular heritage? Just about everywhere. Let's consider some
themes and examples.
Anonymous
Tradition
In A History of
Canadian Architecture, Vol. 2 (1994), Hal Kalman observes:
"Even simpler was the most prevalent vernacular house-type that
appeared across Canada in the years leading up to the First World War:
a [one- or two-storey] house with its gable facing the street, a
ground floor porch or veranda, and an off-centre entrance=8A
Ironically, it is so common, and so taken for granted, that it does
not even have a name in general usage=8Aoften no specific prototype or
source existed; like the vernacular houses of any other era, this was
just the accepted way of building." (p. 616)
Plain and
Practical
Plain-Jane heritage
buildings abound throughout B.C. Unlike the proud heritage landmark,
these places frequently go unnoticed, and sometimes unloved. Consider
the warehouse, the community hall, the one-room school, the barn:
unassuming, practical buildings that get the job done. Company towns
are sometimes corporate expressions of this practical, no-nonsense
philosophy.
Ethnic
Diversity
Canada is a country of
immigrants who brought their cultural traditions with them, including
building forms and technology. The employees of the [Hudson's] Bay
Company brought their distinctive squared-log manner of construction,
which can be seen in many of our earliest BC settlements; the Chinese
created distinctive neighbourhoods which combined traditional building
styles with European or boomtown architectural forms; The Doukhobors
who settled in the Kootenays and Boundary areas created a unique
house-type combining traditional ideas and skills with the vision of
their spiritual leaders; early 20th century
houses in Victoria often reflected a nostalgia for home, real or
imaginary, through architectural details that suggest English regional
domestic building traditions. Beyond these relatively recent
expressions, there is of course the millennia of indigenous
architecture, including coast plank construction, interior pit houses,
and, in the south east, animal skin lodges familiar as part of Prairie
cultural traditions.
Vernacular is for
Everyone
Wealth widely dispersed
has a [levelling] effect: most people in our society enjoy the
significant benefits of a strong economy. This has expressed itself in
many ways, one being the family home, as seen in the growth of
suburbia with its grid plan and mass-produced uniformity. Frank Lloyd
Wright probably best expressed the social philosophy of the suburb
with his Usonian House: well-designed, attractive, easily built,
affordable (at the time); a form that has shaped the look of
communities across the continent. Another early suburban form was the
incredibly popular arts and crafts bungalow, an aesthetic which is
making a strong comeback today.
Equally affordable and
ubiquitous was the automobile. The car culture legacy is everywhere:
gas stations, garages, car dealerships. parkades, and parking lots,
the auto court & motel, the roadside diner. [These heritage
resources, often overlooked for their heritage value,] are at risk of
vanishing.
The
One-off
While architecture in
the grand tradition makes statements about broad social values,
wealth, and power, there are those who simply prefer to go their own
way: Zuckerberg Island in Castlegar, Fintry Estate near Vernon, and
the Glass House near Creston (built of several thousand embalming
fluid bottles) are some examples of the individualistic, eccentric
side of the vernacular.
Vernacular heritage,
then, is the heritage of everyday, and everybody. Not surprisingly, it
is also everywhere.
For WV, see www.heritage.westvan.org and click on
Events
=== CCL MTG NOTES Feb 5th
===
NB: notes are typed during mtg; best efforts;
names as best as I can tell! xxxxx means I missed it!
Sorry.
2007 FEBRUARY 05 MTGS: Public Hearing, then Reg Ccl
Mtg
-- Cclr Clark absent
1. CALL TO
ORDER
Mayor: We allow five minutes to speak for first time speaking,
then can speak at end.
2.
PUBLIC HEARING
Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4497,
2007
Planning, Lands and Permits will provide a presentation regarding
the proposed bylaw.
Purpose:
To amend the text of the Zoning Bylaw to limit child care in single
and two family dwellings to a maximum of eight children.
The proposed Zoning Bylaw amendment:
=B7 Amends definitions
related to child care, kindergarten, and schools;
=B7 Limits child
care to a maximum of eight children in single- and [two-family]
dwellings in all residential zones in which single and two family
dwellings are allowed, except it continues to allow child care with no
restriction on number of children in the publicly owned buildings at
2478 Haywood Avenue and 2476 Bellevue Avenue;
=B7 Revises the
bylaw to clarify that child care is permitted in the Community Use
Zone 9 (C.U.9) and Community Use Zone 10 (C.U.10);
=B7 Continues to
allow child care in the Community Use Zone 4 (C.U.4), Community Use
Zone P.A.1 (Schools), and Community Use Zone P.A.2 (Places of
Worship), but limits child care to a maximum of eight children in
single-family dwellings in these zones; and
=B7 Includes
consequential amendments resulting from the above.
On January 22, 2007 Council set the date for the Public Hearing.
The statutory notice of Public Hearing appeared in the North Shore
News on January 28, 2007 and on January 31, 2007.
The following information is provided:
(a) Report dated
January 16, 2007 from Leanne Sexsmith, Planning Analyst,
regarding West Vancouver Child Care Regulations - Zoning Bylaw
No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4497, 2007 and
Recommended Policy Review (received by Council at its January 22, 2007
meeting).
(b) Correspondence
received as at January 31, 2007.
The Municipal Clerk will note written submissions received for
the February 05, 2007 Public Hearing with respect to the proposed
bylaw amendments.
3. PUBLIC
INPUT
SJN provided background first, in effect:
There is only one large daycare in a residential area. Four
others (not in resid areas). This bylaw will prevent applications in
sgl-fam homes in sgl-fam areas, wd not affect existing so it's status
quo.
Ccl wd probably wait for results of overall study.
-----------------
INTERESTING ASIDE will try to research answer and report
back:
The Mayor read from the script:
"Anyone who believes that their interest in property
is affected by the proposed bylaw will be given a reasonable
opportunity to be heard, make representations, or to present written
submissions respecting the matters contained in the proposed
bylaw."
IF
the above is the case, while of course the need for daycares
is something Ccl must take into consideration and I'm not suggesting
they not do so, the statement implies only those whose property is
affected are to speak, not those whose property is not affected (ie
those who want to put their children in the daycare cannot say their
property is affected and the purpose of the Public Hearing is property
values or nbrhd ambience or quality of life).
Interesting. This was pointed out to me by someone
listening -- I'd always assumed anyone who wanted to speak at a PH cd
do so.
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Parvan Nikfar: I'm operator of Evergreen Daycare, the only group
daycare in WV.
from eight to 20; heard over years of lack of daycare in WV,
calls increased and now more with the closing of Cedardale.
Some parents complain about lack of daycare after end of school
day.
Applied for a second daycare hearing this, offering daycare and
afterschool care.
also planning to provide music and French training
b/c of the District. may have to abandon my plans, District
discouraging
Cannot operate daycare with just eight without making cost too
high for parents
Traffic is heavy at all times at the corner of Anderson Cr and
TWay; parents come twice a day
kids outside for two hours a day only
In conclusion, urge you to find a more balanced solution to this
issue, operate on a case by case basis as DNV and CNV do
demonstrate commitment to young families.....
Sop: if passed, this wd not be affected?
SJN: right, existing group daycares, this daycare wd not be
affected.
{during these submissions there was applause virtually after
each speaker so I have not noted it}
Nora Gambioli: 1286 Duchess on behalf my husband and our
son
will read from my letter so not off-topic or go over five
minutes
to stay here where I grew up, both have to work and need
daycare
each elected to maintain and improve
cmnty's vision; according to policies in OCP, meet needs and
services of young chn; and to attract families with chn
already too few daycares in WV so this policy is in direct
contradiction; Ccl shd be fostering increased daycare in WV; will
adversely affect sm biz areas -- wd have liked to see the Ch of Comm
here
find some concerns unjustified: 20 is too large -- although the
max is 20, not all there ev day, in over two years not seen more than
15 and no more than two or three cars
we live across from Hollyburn Elem Sch -- all streets in ev
direction kids, noise of vibrant cmnty
why all right at [age] five or six and not before
what cd be so loud about kids playing outside -- outlaw seagulls?
rushing streams?
Staff were cause for this -- allowing; daycare not aware of
petition
daycare and parents only heard now; beforehand only heard
against
bias, reactionary drafting of this bylaw
breach of procedure has harmed Evergreen and for wch an
apology is necessary
result in driving away families for years to come
Melissa Mueller: resident of NV, my two-year-old son attends
Evergreen, I grew up in WV and my parents live four doors away from
Evergreen
TWay exceptional noise
chn are present only during weekdays; complaints ludicrous
most staff take public transport; not seen more than one car,
place for drop off and pick up, done at staggered time, rarely more
than two vehicles and can use space at home, gravel area
do not impede traffic; as a frequent visitor to my parents' home,
not once found my way impeded to TWay or Evergreen
Nov 17 report by Mgr of bylaw services (page 3), your own lawyer
informed you, once a use has been provided for, public opinion and Ccl
reconsideration cannot be brought back into the process
I find it v sad Mrs N has been attacked and she has done nothing
wrong
eight max you can get away with
already a shortage of childcare spaces -- this is a shortsighted
kneejerk reaction; have to look to NV for childcare needs; does not
reflect realities today
av house is $1.4M, both have to work to survive
OCP says Dist to meet needs of young families with chn; need
for quality childcare spaces; recommended be expanded, increase number
from 20 to 25; that was 14 years ago and need is greater now; this
is step backward
Cedardale is closing, no space left in churches, and not allowed
in commercial areas
pls do not pass this and find a more balanced solution
keep at 20 and review each application on a case by case
basis
Phyllis Mueller: live at Anderson Crescent and my daughter has
stolen my thunder
my grandson does attend Mrs Nikfar's daycare
have deleted my comments [others] have addressed them v
well
even when a single parent arrives, a few cars and a few minutes
-- go home, bath chn, have dinner, and catch a few moments
can't understand why anyone wd have trouble with the voices of
chn, Sentinel Hill is not a gated cmnty
in five years Evergreen has been open, off TWay (sounds like an
airport runway), not one iota of irritation
I'm willing to tolerate a little traffic and chn's voices, as a
part of cmnty
I listened carefully to the debate on Ev Dr, cclrs listened --
wch btw that traffic wd be like rush hour at Spuzzum
be family-friendly; otherwise WV's reputation as a NIMBY
cmnty
Nadine Peterson: owner of Black Swan Evaluation, ....... , help
publish books, mother of 22-month-old boy, placed in Evergreen
we've all heard it takes a village to raise a child
acutely aware of two trends in WV: lack of young families and
lack of daycare spaces
park in my nbrhd but except on weekend when visited by ppl from
across Lower Mainland, empty on weekends. Met a couple of kids,
live nearby or grandparents
WV is not attractive to families -- expensive and others more
facilities for chn
by 2031, a quarter of NSh will be senior citizens -- I think
that's underestimated
just as cmnty to raise a child, children to raise a
cmnty
work together for a more sustainable solution to the problem
at hand
Tasha Riddle (?) :Kasha Vila: here to express my opposition to
this bylaw
I was looking for a space for my baby, she's at Evgrn now,
looking everywhere and I was desperate; went everywhere, each place
had a waiting list of 50, and they told me I'd be waiting at least a
year; need to have space for kids; more shd be open in WV, rather than
closed
Ann Heather: 6775 Dufferin in Whytecliff
two points of view: as mother and as public policy
mother: I work at home, part-time as a writer and a necessity
to have my chn outside my home
you say nannies and it doesn't work, they know you're home and
battling the kids who want to see you; if you think difficult,
difficult in Dund, worse elsewhere
put kids in daycare for socialization too; ppl learn a lot at
daycare
home daycare the most efficient use of space
most ppl do not want to take care of other ppl's chn for a
living, shd commend them, how can our cmnty support them -- not a
subsidy, make it easy for them
dogs barking loud, chn's laughter not that bad to listen to
daycare my older child attends not cars b/c most walk
Evergreen is already on a v busy street
from a public policy point of view, supply is limited but when
you increase regulations you limit the supply and increase the cost of
doing biz
if this bylaw enacted, ramifications beyond -- maybe present
daycares will back out
an issue facing Canadians -- declining; put off having or not
have second child
grandparents around
we're one of the few districts with increase in enrolment in
schools, where are they coming from?
are parents having three chn? most are not
issues facing us down the road
Chris Norton: 4321 Irwin Dr, three chn under the age of
five
admire impassioned pleas
there is a crisis in child care across Canada, being booted
around; undersupply, need practical solutions; involves balancing
needs
is WV a family-friendly cmnty --
I speak as someone who has bought in the past year; these prices
need both working
one of the factors is the increased requirements for
daycare
balance -- provide both through public and private sector
daycare in the home [helps]
issue here is reduce down to eight. My daughter was the first in
Ev and they were struggling and they were losing money going to three,
to four, and now at 20
I wondered why they were doing it; must be sustainable and on a
biz basis; virtually no way we cd have proper provision with eight --
caregivers to chn and wages, we as parents wd have to pay a ridiculous
amt of money
unrealistic for WV to solve what is a national problem; but at
least do no harm; something to enable families to live in this
cmnty
Carol Adams: 5370 Andrews, sit as chair of a nonprofit of a
daycare, Queen Bee
WV is in desperate need of daycare; chn are WV's future and they
deserve good daycare
so much stress on families and daycares themselves
as a mother of two -- mine older now, one at Sentinel and one 22
-- but as a single parent, daycares provided stability and allowed me
to get a career and didn't need subsidies or welfare b/c daycares were
doable for me
WV is a booming cmnty, homes starting to sell, what most WVites
want to see
to accommodate these young families we shd offer solutions not
more regulations
hv heard nothing but good things about Evergreen
I get caught up at Sentinel picking up my son ev day, there and
then Collingwood traffic to go to Brit Props
TWay, seems Pk Royal [traffic] is the problem
proud to say from WV but we need to expand our horizons a bit and
shd offer the cmnty of WV some solutions
Christine Banham: neither a customer of Evergreen right now but
am concerned
speakers here tonight have answered some questions I have
know amendment done for good reasons but have probs with number
eight, how arrived at, and value
what is a viable number to have to have business flourish and
expand
more work to be done for that
fears about traffic and parking; legislation put forward without
adequate research -- more cd hv bn done
one of the impacts of making the numbers smaller of prohibiting
more than one daycare in proximity, it cd hv an impact if you have,
for example three chn -- you might have to run between two places;
larger, can group, smaller spaces in larger facility
Nick Vederick (sp?): 2605 Nelson
Mayor: going to regular ccl mtg after PH finished
Name???: Diane Cardwell
written submission; live at Anderson Cr
live next door and we support the daycare up to eight chn
support limiting in sgl- and two-fam dwellings and in all areas
where allowed
require 1500ft radius separation; staff and visitor parking on
site; and require owner to live in home operated
a group of 20 chn plus three staff, family of four to five? total
29 in a sgl
sgl electrical and plumbing statute for small-family occupancy
requirements
will this commercial use require conversions for assembly
use?
is it true that groups over ten will have to meet BC code
standards?
is it also true that the Vanc Coastal Health Auth must approve
all bldg plans?
services of architect and engineer -- DNV document cited re
establishing daycare
trying to understand this, made us realize increasing from five
to eight, and larger to commercial and public assembly areas an ideal
solution
allow up to eight in sgl fam homes and larger in commercial
zones
we do not have adequate .... in WV ..... over and above daycare
services above eight in sgl fam homes
we were surprised to read in the Nov 27 staff report that
there has been no application of a group daycare of up to 20 chn in
the last four years
however in 2006, enquiries wrt restrictions large groups in
sgl-fam homes
the ccl report states that staff concerns are about large
commercial operations in residential zones
imp to balance cmnty's needs for daycares and large comm
biz
can never compare with facilities with churches and schools
that have parks
sgl-fam areas? xxxx safe assembly????xxxx
as residents, support and commend you to try to find a
solution
Angela Wu: 720 Anderson Dr: agree with the views of the prev
speaker
we're asked to accommodate on our street two biz for 40 chn
and six staff
cannot support expansion from eight to 40
residential lots in a residential zone
gladly support one eight daycare but not large commercial
biz
with this zoning bylaw amendment -- better for large comm
require applicant to reside in unit daycare; may we suggest be
registered owner and reside
if anyone buys and rents and bought it for the sole reason for a
biz; no one living there overnight; sole purpose a comm
enterprise
bldg safety severely compromised by anyone other; daycare
operator no authority to maintain
how can a 50ft lot in Ambleside accommodate 30 ppl
converting a sgl fam to an assembly
unable to solve prov daycare crisis
....
72 signed petition; supported as original and will support up
to eight
you were asked to walk the talk; we believe what you have done,
done well
Adana Ranahan: from NV, experienced problems
daycare proposed next to us without input from Ccl or
anyone
were informed, trying to have nbrs to have some input, it was
not legal to make any limitations on a daycare
so last few months, 16 chn; I'm a parent of two chn under five to
be home with my chn but now subjected to sounds of 16 chn in a small
backyard with no toys and equipment; it results in a lot of
screaming
opinion impact on our enjoyment -- wonder what will happen when
summer and windows open
felt imp to come to you today to speak about daycare next to
us
put nbrhd in conflict
think your changes reasonable and perhaps looking at other
solutions
don't believe it fair to submit the residents while we are still
equal taxpaying residents
hope strength and vision with these zoning bylaws
other options wrt the daycare crisis
Elaine Fonseca: Prez of ADRA, our assn supports the principles
of this bylaw, a childcare facility up to a maximum of eight chn in
single- and two-family dwellings in all residential zones.
Man: originally agreed not to oppose our next door nbrs' biz b/c
assured numbers wd remain small, between five and seven in total; to
be good nbrs signed letter of support
highly intrusive for two hours each day
yelling and screaming increased -- feels like living to a
school rather than another home
the Evgrn daycare says support of a nbr, that was us, any support
of 20 chn is not from us
ours is the largest property line
right re noise
read schools being closed lack of enrolment, perhaps use
that
took stand not b/c against daycare but b/c not informed of
increase from eight to 20 -- where does this stop?
operation in sgl and two -fam homes limited to weekdays
only
applaud including daycare in devts
at some point we found out a second daycare across the street;
in two days we got 72 names
some amendments; so we the citizens can be protected from
commercialization of our peaceful nbrhds
Joanne McCann (sp?): I was here about two weeks ago about
Cedardale; feel reached pressure or tipping point
wonder about the timing -- possibly premature
understand there's a childcare assessment being done across
NSh
secondly, a childcare matter on agenda in a week or so
kneejerk, maybe consider
school enrolments in WV are increasing; group daycares look to
schools so zero
churches don't have to let daycares in; even church space
limited
comm spaces here wd make for v expensive
M spaces employed b/c of construction of cmnty ctr
Ccl look for creative solutions; looking for broader;
national; sad when cmnty in conflict over chn -- not a growup; think
we need to work together
Ccl, Schools, churches, childcare providers, parents, come
together to look for creative solutions and I know we can do
that
Ann Mueller: Part Two. Shorter.
urging you to look at each applic on a case by case
basis
wait until NSh Child Care Needs Assessment due in four months
so you have info
by passing this, shortsighted and will negatively affect
cmnty, not considering needs of whole cmnty
requires innovation and flexibility; look at new ways of doing
things; look at needs of entire cmnty
consider facts before coming to a final decision
raised commercial, but it's a labour of love; understand don't
want nbrhd overrun by biz/comm; that's why look at each, where and
what existing
put on hold any changes to the bylaw pending report of Needs
Assessment
Man: issue of clarification
understand the current zoning allows 20 and this proposes
limiting to eight
the door next door has issues -- can you clarify?
doesn't restrict current daycare or wd it?
SJN: currently one
one has ten, one on Anderson has a licence for 20;
it's the application for new
reason for eight, under provincial legislation permitted eight
regardless of municipal
group daycares, churches, schools, still permitted
sgl fam dwellings in sgl fam areas
the study may propose different bylaws in future
the bylaw wd limit to eight except for existing ones
Mayor: any questions
Sop: move close
Mayor: actually, see if any questions
JF: wonder if Mr Nicholls might address a case-by-case
scenario
does this bylaw prohibit Ccl doing spot rezoning if nbrs were
in favour in a sgl fam area?
SJN: Ccl cd consider spot rezoning
the only legal way
under current bylaws, any daycare can be in any area, can't say
you can't.......
VV: shd be clear eight and cannot say ten -- as soon as group
then it's up to 20?
SJN: you'd have to pick a number and no rationale or study that
says ten or 12, that may be in study coming up; must specify a
number and can't be less than eight
Sop: if we close mtg, another have a Public Hearing and have ppl
come
see we shd broaden our scope; policy spells out actions in sev
diff areas; seven to eight
childcare in comm zones, increasing
looking at a registry; referral services for parents
M lands, encouraging close, walking, to schools
look at future rec facilities; policy established
paying attention about moving backwards--
Mayor: we're not at debate yet, have you question?
Sop: I'm getting to that -- are these areas we can get to after
we have closed?
SJN: yes; Ccl on Jan 22 asked staff to come up with updated
childcare policy
you have a report coming in the following week to establish a
working group -- Cedardale and others, looking at short and
intermediate term basis; you've already commissioned the Need
Assessment study the three Ms on NSh basis; all in progress
Sop: if mtg closed, if bylaw into third reading and adopted
what about applic for group daycare where we are at this
time?
SJN: since date staff asked to bring forth bylaw, there's a
90-day period, coming up this coming month, any applic wd not be
processed, ...[otherwise wd be]
Sop: things brought up by speakers? can look at distance? can you
say closed, waiting?
SJN: you'd have to look at either in a policy for rezoning or for
incorporation in a new zoning
Sop: if it's a zoning bylaw, then the house of the person runs
with the land? transferable as a biz when sold?
SJN: two diff issues; whether transferring biz licence or
licence from prov authorities
zoning tonight deals with nonconforming uses, just continues
that use for some months, cannot start up again under the zoning
bylaw but can continue
Sop: so an individ cd sell house, advertise that they have a
biz licence?
SJN: might be a possibility but as I mentioned only two houses
in WV that have group daycares.
"Currently there are 294; 147 in churches, 32 in schools;
only one main group daycare in a sgl-fam dwelling, there are two
others in municipal houses, and they are included in the bylaw as
permitted group daycares."
{The above is a direct transcript; no, I don't understand
the math either b/c 294 minus 179 leaves 125 so those are quite large
group daycares! must be something missing.}
Mayor: at point of questions
Sop: question
MS: is there a timeline on that?
Sop: what elected for, gotta do our job
if allow, in sgl fam zone; when the daycare is in comm place of
public assembly, when that is sold does the indiv have the right to
sell that as a going entity, a transfer of sale?
SJN: are you asking if the And Cr cd be sold?
Sop: you said only one, not against, just want to
know
SJN: if they cd get approval of prov, may be
possible
RD: we raise numbers in terms of schools? churches
SJN: looking....
Mayor: if questions advisable not to close the PH
SJN: definition is childcare; whatever licensed for permitted
unlike current bylaw
RD: if one were to lower the number of group daycare homes,
raise in schools?
SJN: don't know if we cd
whatever comfortable
Mayor: I have a question about public policy knowing we're
putting together a working group and getting study
is it the right thing to do, to close, to make decision on
this bylaw when that coming up?
SJN: if you don't pass this then anyone can open a group
daycare in a sgl-fam dwelling?
Mayor: can you estimate when we'll have result of those
studies?
SJN: not involved with that one [Cedardale]; expecting
[Assessment] prior to summer
Mayor: if something arises from those studies compels Ccl to go
in another direction, looking at another PH
SJN: yes; no criteria for deciding where they can go
you'd be considering regulations -- rezoning or new zoning
bylaw
JF moved receipt and hearing closed
CARRIED
Mayor: come back?
SSch: second and third reading at Feb 12th or 26th
Mayor: when? 12th?
SSch: cd be
Mayor: tyvm
4. CLOSURE
OF PUBLIC HEARING
Members of Council are not permitted to receive further
submissions once the Public Hearing is closed.
8:41 REGULAR COUNCIL MEETING -- CALL TO ORDER
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MS: addns; letters, cmte appointments
2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES
=B7 January 08,
2007 Regular Council Meeting Minutes;
=B7 January 15,
2007 Regular Council Meeting Minutes;
=B7 January 22,
2007 Committee of the Whole Minutes; and Special Regular Council
Meeting Minutes.
8:43 REPORTS
3.
Hollyburn Ridge Cabin Permit to Occupy Transfer/Assignment -
#159
MS: want to point out a lot of these nonfamily transfers
these cabins being sold for considerable sums based on the
fact basically not paying any rent; so for me every one that
comes up is a reinforcement this policy has to be revisited as soon as
legally able to do it
CAO: expect report by end of the month wrt governance of the
Hollyburn cabins and will also be providing some recommendations for
dealing with these on a recurring basis.
8:44
4. Proposed
Lot Line Adjustment - 4452 and 4454 Regency Place
RECOMMENDED:
THAT pursuant to Section 944. (1) (2) of the Local Government
Act, and in accordance with the proposed plan for lot-line
adjustment between 4452 and 4454 Regency Place in Appendix B of the
report from the Community Planner dated January 22, 2007, the
proposed revised lots be exempted from the minimum frontage provisions
of 10% of the perimeter.
RD: shd be explained by Planner
SJN: unusual, Ccl doesn't deal with it often
when you deal with a panhandle lot; under LGA, provision on width
of lot wrt circumference; new bylaw will deal with that but now it
doesn't
applicant owns both lots; wishes to rearrange lotline at rear,
all his property, one of the lots, view, ...
technically creation of two lots; not changing width, from street
nothing changes, from back does; configuration change; do need
Ccl's motion
RD made motion -- CARRIED
8:46
5. Further
Information Report: Development Variance Permit 06?048
(2650 Nelson Avenue)
At the December 11, 2006 meeting, Council received the report
dated December 01, 2006 from the Community Planner titled
"Development Variance Permit Application 06?048 (2650 Nelson)" and
set the date for consideration on January 08, 2007, a copy of
which is attached for reference.
At the January 08, 2007 meeting, the item was deferred to
the February 05, 2007 meeting.
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
John Gould (cdn't hear clearly): with my wife have lived at 2658
Nelson since 1989, actually lived in WV for 30 years
our house is immediately next door to this
follow all ccl mtgs from our home -- shows what an exciting life
we have
have written to Ccl about this
like our block; when we moved in quickly established the
blockwatch cmte
regarding the house and garage next door, we feel it will be
totally in keeping with street and will enhance streetscape in our
block
any with a garage in front of you has the aesthetic appeal of a
caravan park; with this, totally eliminated
nearby Mr Caruth's house, built with minimum for impact on nbrs
or natural environment
Cclr Smith said one of the new houses reminded him of a public
toilet on the Greek Islands
this before you not an abomination and wd stop desecration of
2600block
at all times Mr and Mrs Caruth have consulted and show great
sensitivity
as proposed, an essentially hidden garage, all nbrs protected;
small house, modest size
part that is still, but only just, a v attractive part of Dund
and WV
supported, enthusiastic support of residents of 2600 block;
especially my wife and myself, look forward to having the Caruths as
nbrs; implore you that you not let us down.
Nick Vilivek (sp?): 2636 Nelson
we have five, six new houses in nbrhd, followed all the bylaws
for setback -- usually ????35 ft, 6 ft
my concern how appearance if one completely different from other
houses
other than that v happy to have nice bldg and nice ppl in
nbrhd
John Mawson: resident of Nelson Ave
Mayor address?
JM (emailed remarks):
Thank you for the opportunity to offer some comments on this
Application for a two-car garage in a non-conforming location at the
front of this Upper Dundarave property. I make these comments
both as a neighbour of the Applicant, and as a representative of a
small group of the local residents interested in having Upper
Dundarave designated a special neighbourhood, similar to that of
Altamont, or Clovelly-Caulfield.
Residents in Upper Dundarave have watched in dismay as some new
owners in the area have redeveloped properties, including boulevards
and laneways, with little concern for neighbourhood character and with
minimal if any dialogue with neighbours. In a manner similar to that
of residents in Clovelly-Caulfield, residents in Upper Dundarave have
responded by drafting a Neighbourhood Plan, and by inviting the
Municipality both to study the area's defining characteristics, and
to recommend guidelines for dialogue and neighbourhood
evolution.
Neighbourhood characteristics in Upper Dundarave include:
. the modest scale of the houses;
. houses which respect the topography and natural
features;
. boulevards which make use of trees and shrubs,
providing a forested feel as well as privacy.
The scale of the Applicants' proposal, and the maintenance of the
forested and private streetscape, fits well with the direction of
the proposed Upper Dundarave Neighbourhood Plan. As well, the
Applicant has sought a dialogue with neighbours about his plans for
the redevelopment of his property, a process which we believe is to
everyone's benefit.
Thus, as a spokesman for this fledgling group, we heartily
support this Variance Application.
Man (owner?): xxxx? from Pt Grey; back here downsized; in
England when heard of application
learned only after
met with nbrs in Oct, no indications then
met with Jan, spoken many times on phone and email; feel we now
have an understanding with questions raised
meet re details, anything, wall
nbrs unequivocally supportive
regret; understand now have letters of support
plans and photos submitted; a few of the main features: barrier
house less visible; footprint of house less than that of present;
trees, be environmentally responsible; driveway easier
this approach is not precedent-setting
hillside sites in this area
we are removing a non-conforming and quite conspicuous
garage
.....streetscape, maintains, xxxxxx out of guidelines in
your documents
ask for Ccl's consent for the change
JF moved RECEIPT: CARRIED
Sop: one happy nbrhd
process! never seen in nine years, no plans for house,
just garage
we haven't had any discussion if we're going to support
detached garages
allow one 20 ft into setback without a plan for the
house
not saying this owner isn't going to do what he says, within
plan
asked last time; want to see!
don't know why it wd come with the garage only; want to see
this garage with house; until then deferral
SJN: drawings with report, levels
Sop: an artist's conception; shows height, doesn't show
survey
I can't go that route, I have to have that in front of
me
wish we cd hv done that
Mayor: my copy of report says that plans/house will comply
with all zoning bylaws
SJN: garage has to come, thought Ccl wd like to see
that
Sop: the house is asking for a variance, sideyard, last week
showed a bit of a change
putting horse in front of cart
so I don't have to get aggravated
if we're going to go route of detached fine
no offence to owner; want it right in future
have a motion on the floor
Mayor: didn't get a seconder, Cclr Smith
MS: think Cclr V had first
Mayor: that's what I have
MS: don't want to follow Cclr S, always a difficult act to
follow
I live a block away......
some streets garage basically the streetscape; nbrs all in favour
of it, fits in well
nothing wrong with a detached garage
opp to get a house...???....
house will be conforming with our bylaws and this garage shd
threaten nobody
suits topography
looking forward to the new owner inviting me to his
housewarming
VV: mine opposite to Cclr Sop
how do we govern in a case like this, in general
sense
look at ev one
......about the biggest variance I've seen in my little time
on Ccl
why do we have that 30ft if we wave it away?
procedures, holding it up ... then why do we have
30ft
do we say whole block 30ft doesn't apply?
maybe drop some of our setback rules; not sure what we're
doing here
set rules then ppl look for exemptions
do we have the opp of changing these setback rules
SJN: suggested relaxing on sloping lots
has been introduced in areas above the hwy
do allow underground parking structures (no more than 3ft above
grade except garage doors)
does qualify on one side but not other
VV: wd like us to be more coherent and efficient with our
time
go ahead with this, then....
JF: will support this; know we've spoken before about the
imperfection of our bylaws
flat Richmond not have these variances; but we live on a
hillside with creeks, come to us so an applicant can situate house
[sensitively]
we just don't live in a one-size fits all cmnty
RD: our bylaws normally work but there are incidences where
rigid, can be flexible wrt environment
Sop: our interpretation of a house
?????in garage
tell me the legal responsibilities of that
SJN: the house is a work in progress, this is an indication of
what his plans are today
about to apply for bldg permit; he cd change, but not
garage
Sop: he cd; I'm anxious to get going; it's legal, it's
interpretation
we have not looked at the housing policy
haven't noticed desire to change
I'm not going to support this, no offence to owner
on edge of legal issue; don't have to go further
CAO: garage; house will conform to bylaws so wd not come to
Ccl
Sop: can it come forward with house and garage, whole
not there, the house cd be altered, what's our resp?
CAO: house will conform with the bylaws, just showing
footprint
issue of timing; holding lots expensive
with conceptual design hv bn able to nail down
footprint
wanting to assure that addressed and approved before design of
house
Mayor; this is an indicator of an outstanding issue in the
cmnty
new homes that fit in well
good thing, have to consult with nbrs
I love this report, it does deal with impact on nbrs and
views...
,,,,,
wd like to know when Caulfeild housing will come forward
and Cclr Clark's
SJN: Clovelly Caulfeild coming to Ccl Feb 12th
Housing Dialogue -- not sure Cclr Clark not here, nor staff
person
CAO: aware identified potential mbrs of working group
shd come to Cmnty Enggmt Cmte's next mtg
Sop: understand what you're saying and it's....
...valid, in this case the procedure is not valid; whole thing
shd come with legal interpretation
nbrs can say like garage but didn't see whole thing
drawings but don't have plans b/c not submitted; fine but not
comfortable
26ft encroachment into a 30ft setback
Mayor: I'm looking at the site survey
SJN: that's where the bldg's supposed to be
when Ccl's approving a variation plan and anticipate that's
what's going to be built
but if two years later a person wants to put an addition,
conforming, can come back, not obliged to go to Ccl
APPROVED with Sop opposed
THAT
DVP Application No. 06?048 (2650 Nelson) which would provide for
a new garage with variances to the Front and Side Yard, be
approved.
9:18
6. Further
Information Report: Development Variance Permit 06?052
(3605 Creery
Avenue) CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
MS: Mr Nicholls, do you want to give a brief introduction?
SJN: two variances, six-inch corner of roof, and another larger
of deck
the corner of the bldg, minor and cd be result of an error
it's a variance and Ccl has not set a date, if that's the
way
MS: I'm confused, so we can't approve a variance?
SJN: we are suggesting rejection but if considering further or
approval have to set a date to approve
MS: as I understand it, this is a case where the plans showed
no variance and when built considerable variance; on principle can't
allow ppl to submit plans of one thing and build something
else
Mayor: first vote receipt
DONE
MS: think we don't have any choice, the 5.6ft overhang but
significant for a 4- or 5-inch error in good faith; maybe Mr Stuart
can help me -- reject, and come back for variance
CAO: just eliminate words and roof overhang
MS: [so moved]
Sop: owner wd hv to return to Ccl to get permission for the
overhang or is it not in here so not even considered
CAO: if owner wanted overhang wd have to come back for a
variance
CARRIED THAT
DVP (3605 Creery), that would provide for roof overhang with
variances to the required Front Yard, be rejected.
9:24
7. 2007
Library Board Appointments Item to be provided on
table.
=B7 Rosalind
Foucault and Alexander Rose;
re-appointments for the term ending
December 31, 2008:
=B7
Harry Greenwood, Ann Hamilton, Bernie Lauser, Brian Owen,
Sherry Parrott, Fanny Patterson.
9:24
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
8. Consent Agenda
Items - Reports and Correspondence
The following Consent Agenda items may be considered separately
or in one recommendation.
Sop: query on item 11
REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA
9.
Community Shuttle Annual Operating Agreement
(File: 3294?01)
1. The report dated
December 21, 2006 from the Transit Manager regarding the 2007
Community Shuttle Operating Agreement for transit services between
Lions Bay, Horseshoe Bay, and Caulfeild Village be received.
2. That the Mayor and
the Municipal Clerk be authorized to execute the Agreement covering
the period January 01, 2007 to December 31, 2007.
10. 2007 Annual
Operating Agreement - Conventional Bus Services
(File: 3215?01)
1. The report dated
December 21, 2006 from the Transit Manager re 2007 Annual Operating
Agreement for the West Vancouver Conventional Transit Services be
received.
2. The Mayor and
Municipal Clerk be authorized to execute the Agreement as presented
and that any mid-term amendment to this Agreement, that may be
considered, has the approval of the Municipal Manager.
9:26
11. Licence Agreement for
District Telecommunication Site - Austeville Properties Ltd., UBC
Village
-- report dated January 15, 2007 entitled "Licence
Agreement for District Telecommunication Site - Austeville
Properties Ltd., UBC Village" be received.
Sop: Mr Barth?
SJN: over at UBC, hire our roof
Sop: if we relocated worksyard wd if fall apart
SJN: out in field; not sure, maybe emergency services; not sure
wch one it is
CAO: if making changes wd have to look as with eComm
believe some time and some funding, looking at radio
assess these ev number if years; hv a mtg tomorrow the the deputy
minister
Sop: who's owner of properties
CAO: likely a holding company
12. Development
Applications Status List (File: 1010?01): received.
CORRESPONDENCE LISTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA
13. Correspondence Lists
[listed here in WVM's notes b/c no agenda went out separately]
Correspondence Received up to January 12, 2007 and previously
distributed to Council on January 18, 2007 (with exceptions for
time sensitive items).
1.1 Requests for Delegation -- No items
received.
Action Required
1.2 A.H. Brown & B.
McArthur, Co-Chairs - Western Residents' Association, January 13,
2007, regarding Gleneagles Golf Course Clubhouse
Referred to Mayor & Council and the Director of Parks &
Community Services for consideration and response
1.3 November 07, 2006,
regarding Letter to S. Jenkins, Environmental Coordinator - DWV re
Tree
Referred to the Director of Parks & Community Services for
consideration and response
No Action Required (receipt only)
1.4 January 11, 2007,
regarding Application to Fisheries and Oceans Canada re Landscaping
1.5 B. Binnie, President - Union
of British Columbia Municipalities, January 02, 2007, regarding Report
on Involvement and Opportunities for UBCM-Administered Programs
1.6 January 10, 2007
regarding Cost of Repositioning Curbstones on the Sea Wall
1.7 January 11, 2007,
regarding Email to Councillor Steeves re Amalgamated Police Forces
1.8 W. Powell, Board Chair -
Provincial Health Services Authority (PHSA), January 05, 2007
regarding PHSA's Recent Update to British Columbians About Our
Collaboration With Vancouver Coastal Health
1.9 December 18, 2006, regarding
Gleneagles Golf Course
1.10 F. Elvin-Jensen, Elvinco Technologies
Inc., January 11, 2007, regarding Wood Fencing Along Upper Level
Highway Through WV
1.11 S.E. Dowey, City Clerk - City of
North Vancouver, January 10, 2007, regarding Support for InSite
1.12 M. Griggs, Public Involvement Division
Manager, Engineering and Construction Department - Greater Vancouver
Regional District (GVRD), January 05, 2007, regarding Biosolids
Management Plan Framework Consultation
1.13 Undated, 2006, regarding Gleneagles Golf
Course (File: 2160?05?GGCO1)
1.14 December 20, 2006, regarding
Gleneagles Golf Course (File: 2160?05?GGCO1)
1.15 December 20, 2006, regarding
Gleneagles Golf Course (File: 2160?05?GGCO1)
1.16 Undated, 2006, regarding Gleneagles Golf
Course (File: 2160?05?GGCO1)
1.17 December 18, 2006, regarding
Gleneagles Golf Course (File: 2160?05?GGCO1)
1.18 Undated, 2006, regarding Gleneagles Golf
Course (File: 2160?05?GGCO1)
1.19 January 02, 2007, regarding Public Safety
& Inadequate Bus Shelters in West Vancouver
Responses to Correspondence -- No items presented.
Responses to Questions in Question Period -- No items
presented.
Correspondence Received up to January 19, 2007 and previously
distributed to Council on January 25, 2007 (with exceptions for
time sensitive items).
Requests for Delegation -- No items received.
Action Required -- No items received.
No Action Required (receipt only)
1.20 Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) Minutes of the Board of
Variance Hearing, November 15, 2006 (File: 2310-02)
(b) Minutes of the West Vancouver
Memorial Library Board, December 13, 2006
1.21 January 02, 2007, regarding Ban on
the Sale and Use of Fireworks (File: 2795-07)
1.22 J. Yardley, President - Heritage Society
of British Columbia, January 12, 2007, regarding "Vernacular
Heritage", Architecture Without Architects
1.23 January 14, 2007 regarding Eagle Lake
Water Supply (File: 1815-02/1815?03)
1.24 January 14, 2007, regarding Law
Enforcement (File: 2900-03)
1.25 January 15, 2007, regarding Royal Canadian
Mounted Police - Serious Flaws in Our Judicial System
1.26 January 16, 2007, regarding Gleneagles
Golf Course (File: 2160?05-GGCO1)
1.27 January 15, 2007, regarding Cedardale
Child Learning Centre, 595 Burley Drive
1.28 G. Kovach, President - Federation of
Canadian Municipalities, January 17, 2007, regarding New Funding
Opportunity for Municipal Solid Waste Projects
1.29 R. Taylor, Executive Director and K.
Vance, Senior Policy Advisor - Union of British Columbia
Municipalities, January 18, 2007, regarding UBCM Member Notice: RCMP
Accountability: Community Performance Plans
1.30 January 18, 2007, regarding Restaurant,
Ambleside Park and Revitalization (File: 2520-03-01)
1.31 Undated, 2007, regarding Gleneagles Golf
Course
Responses to Correspondence
1.32 B. Dozzi, Manager, Roads and
Transportation, January 15, 2007, Letter to Resident regarding Hydro
Wires and Undergrounding of Services (File: 1735-07)
Responses to Questions in Question Period -- No items
presented.
Correspondence Received up to January 26, 2007 and previously
distributed to Council on February 01, 2007 (with exceptions for
time sensitive items).
Requests for Delegation
1.33 T.S. Clarke, January 30, 2007,
regarding Hollyburn Ridge Cabins A-E
(File: 1145?04/0120-01)
Referred to the Municipal Clerk for response regarding delegation
scheduling.
Action Required --No items presented.
No Action Required (receipt only)
1.34 L. Achtemichuk, President - North Shore
Artists Guild, January 04, 2007, regarding Invitation to Attend an Art
Exhibition, "Winter Solstice"
(Previously distributed [owing] to timing of event)
1.35 M. Hesse, Senior Development Officer, The
Kidney Foundation of Canada (British Columbia Branch), January 15,
2007, regarding March is Kidney Month
1.36 S.E. Dowey, City Clerk - City of North
Vancouver, January 17, 2007, regarding Community Safety Initiative
Grant - Homeless Projects Allocations 2007
1.37 H. Stephens, West Vancouver Youth Band,
January 22, 2007, regarding Invitation to Attend a Concert at Kay Meek
Centre - "Music of the 21st Century"
(Previously distributed due to timing of event)
1.38 January 23, 2007, regarding Gleneagles
Golf Course (File: 3002?11/2160?05?GGCO1)
1.39 January 25, 2007, regarding More Daycare
Spaces (File: 2620?08)
1.40 M. MacDonald, Regional Director, Canada
Remembers, British Columbia/Yukon and Veterans Affairs Canada, Western
Region, Undated, 2007, regarding Commemorative Ceremonies for the
Battle of Vimy Ridge
1.41 K. Cameron, Chief Executive Officer,
Homeowner Protection Office, January 18, 2007, regarding Green
Building Technologies in British Columbia
1.42 December 29, 2006, regarding Signing of
the Trade, Investment and Labour Mobility Agreement Between Alberta
and British Columbia [TILMA}
1.43 January 26, 2007, regarding
3605 Creery Avenue (File: 1010-20-06-052)
Responses to Correspondence
1.44 R. Fung, Manager, Utilities, January 22,
2007, re Letter to Resident regarding Storm Sewers on Ottaburn Road
(File: 1745?02/1745-03)
Responses to Questions in Question Period -- No items
presented.
9;28
REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS
14. Oral Reports from Mayor
and Councillors
JF: WinterSong; forgot my paper; something ev night; cust
services on N side of Pk Royal...
events I attended last year wonderful
good crowd, even some opp to participate -- at Pk Royal in the
square on a Saturday, variety of choral groups, Village area; enjoy
our weather
MS: tix and brochures av at Ch of Cmm
RD: wanted to exclude item 1.42; concerns me
AB and BC signed an agreement; no media coverage, no debate in
parliament; enables biz to launch complaints to a nonelected
tribunal
just b/c they restrict investment
all aspects of landuse planning; islands trust, prov parks cd be
susceptible to a challenge wrt control land use planning
validity of complaint by a nonelected three-person tribunal
scary bill
raising alarms about this invite our MLAs, Sultan and McIntyre to
comment/explain
wrt regional roles; prerogatives over landuse planning; cd reduce
control we have; scary, ..... explain what this means
CAO: take with a grain of salt when a group explaining what
legislation means; haven't had alarm bells from UBCM; aid for workers
across the border
but can follow up with UBCM to see and report back to
ccl
RD: surprised no outcry; appreciate if you pursue that
another: I'm chair of the Rodgers Crk Working Group
We have, Cmte has selected mbrs; met last Wed and mtg again
[this] Thursday; we have a very important task
{Yeah, right. No notice about either mtg and the one
on Thursday I found out later had a presentation by BPP and the mbrs
VOTED to close the mtg to the public. There's nothing in the
legislation that allows them to do that! The Mayor was at the
mtg. Why didn't she point out mtgs must be open? Devprs
DREAM of having mtgs without observers or public! What happened
to WV's leadership role in openness? openness at all, in
fact?}
look at Rodgers Creek area; extends over 200 acres; south of
South Marr; almost to worksyard and to explore with staff, BPP, and
other owners
best way planning for area, becoming steeper and steeper
mountainside devt, improve devt we've had in past and have
cooperation of BPP and staff
cmte includes two architects, a planner, a dvpr, two
environmentalists, a rep from Streamkeepers, and a resident from the
Brit Properties
we're underway; we expect v good results
Mayor: I think at the mtg they said take your representative bias
and leave it at the door
{Yes, she was there. Why not take leadership and say
mtgs in WV are open???}
RD: our goal is that of exploring the best kind of planning
hillside land working closely with staff and BPP
Sop: Madam Mayor, you and I and JF are on the Cmnty Engagement
Cmte
I'm submitting names for three Working Groups
First, the Envmtal Group, I think you have the names and we have
to have a mtg on
Secondly, the Cmty Services, wch will in part be looking at 2007
grants and the social climate on the NShore, specifically how WV in
and forecast how make amends looking at sustainability -- that may
take a year; those names have been submitted to you
{so the process is the names are submitted to the Mayor and
she make the decision/appmts?}
I know Mike wants to go home but that's too bad
Also we're, Madam Mayor, on a cmte for the cmnty ctr to look at
engaging a working group on that, maybe you want to expand on that and
the philosophy behind that
Mayor: Well, we had our first mtg wrt governance of the cmnty
ctr; we're putting together a small group
{who knew about that???? no posting? no notice, place, or
agenda?????}
how to include; run better; what it's priorities are, how it
reaches out
as with all the Working Groups, a lot of enthusiasm and a lot of
new faces
staff enthusiastic about working in a new way; we will be able to
appoint those ppl probably next week
Mayor: Spirit Week kicking off, same week all over BC, part of
2010
WinterSong huge part of that; thank them; how quickly they got
off the mark
mtg at NV, talking about Spirit Trail
[seems] had WinterSong forever, actually it's their second year;
grateful to them
this Sat night; Vancouver Youth Band having its premiere of Sea
to Sky.....
managed to attract Robert Kerr to join me that night shd be part
of that night, Olympiad, and Olympics themselves
movements are called: Lions' Gate, Stawamus Chief, Shannon Falls,
and Beyond Whistler, I think
also Mayor of Whistler and Mayor of Lions Bay .....
I've heard lots about TILMA; talking to Falcon, McIntyre
Sultan and I are meeting about that; ask him about
implications
VV: question to Cclr Day wrt Rodgers Crk
whether that group has any say in what BPP wd provide wrt
cmnty benefits
eg Equestrian Ctr; govt, BPP wd be providing cmnty benefit; 28
acres or whatever; so wd be in position; no idea if forgotten or
something in the minds
RD: Cclr Vaughan, first mtg last Wed and next on Thurs; going
to have a presentation from BPP and staff, and think Eq Ctr might
come up
we're in beginning stages; working on TofRef, ready now, just
getting under way; our purpose planning and landuse, hillside/mtnside
devt
cmnty devt stem from decisions as to density and landuse, wd
hv to come from Ccl
{even more reasons why mtg shd not hv bn closed to
public!}
MS: Mr Nicholls has some fresh info on the Eq Ctr
SJN: area devt process does deal with all aspects including cmnty
benefits, transportation, public facilities, housing; area devt plan
will take into consideration those matters
and the group is advising on area devt plans
RD: true; sev areas above Upper Levels, and this is the first
but there will be others as we go west
think this cmte will set a precedent for these decisions,
particularly Ccl, staff, and Brit Props
{yeah, right. Already has. First time I've ever
heard of mbrs voting to close a mtg to the public. In spite of
provincial legislation and Ccl's purported commitment to
openness.}
working within parameters of OCP; can't get beyond land use,
can't talk about Cmnty Benefits
VV; hope cmte will bear in mind a whole herd of horses waiting
for that Eq Ctr
JF: and a whole herd of shoppers waiting for revitalization of
Amb
remind Feb 8th from 6 to 8:30 will be a workshop at srs'
ctr
boards, opp to speak with staff; can inform yourself; find out
subsequent dates
Feb 15 townhall mtg; submissions from Ccl
Mayor: to Cclr V's point, objective to take holistic
approach
housing envt social cohesion
9:44
15. PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS
John Gould: questions occurred to me this evening and over
preceding weeks
Question re Disaster response route mean on hwy? for benefit of
ambulances? for whom provided???
EBarth: clarification had to be made and an add'l tabs had to be
made
some viewed them as evacuation routes, but opposite -- in large
scale emergency to be kept clear so emergency personnel have a
route
JG: hope general public know that; somewhat confusing; don't stop
to see add'l comment appended to those signs
my second question: thank you for the attention paid to proposed
devt on 2600 block [Nelson]
believe some weeks ago a nonconforming house built on 2100block
Mathers; Ccl felt inapprop and fines were levied
how do I get access as to whether alterations made and whether
fines paid?
where do I get info regarding subsequent action?
most of Ccl protested
Mayor: was that 2553 Lawson? not given approval
SJN: can be obtained from Bldgs Dept, what action been taken on
that house
Mayor: can follow up with you to get you that info.
CR: Editor of West Van Matters, 1497 Marine
Also, some things just said at end, brought some questions to
me
I had one resident say to me that they cdn't find out what had
happened about a municipal tree, and she was told she was not allowed
to be told, so I take it from the answer you've just given to Mr G
that if someone has paid a fine, that a resident may ask and get that
information?
Mayor: Mr Stuart?
CAO: I wdn't want to answer in any general sense; we will follow
up and find out what info can be released wrt the fines and the
conformance that's in the public realm and provide to Mr Gould.
It's really difficult to make a transfer, assumptions; it's
really on a case-by-case basis.
{on what basis shd the amt of a fine or whether or not paid
be kept from the public?
and isn't it of value to dissuade
infractions?
avoids ppl getting away with breaking the law and no one
knowing if penalty or whether or not fine paid?
More research into this needed!}
Mayor: we'll do what we can
CR: then I'll ask this person to speak with Mr Stuart to find out
what the policy is, thank you
The next thing is about notification of
meetings [See also discussion above in Reports]
I was rather disconcerted, and I hope this is not going to be the
case, that there were some mtgs held without notification. I
know Cclrs Day, and Smith, and Soprovich, and I think Cclr Vaughan,
have said to me that notification for mtgs were to be given and be
made public, yet there were/have been/ some that were not.
Tidings did not have the Feb 8th mtg, I only found out that last
night by accident, so I'm glad that Cclr F brought up that there'd be
a mtg.
Although the [DWV] website does have it today, Feb 8th mtg on the
Ambleside Town Ctr Strategy [ATCS], it said the mtg was 6 o'clock,
somebody wrote to me this afternoon saying 6:30, and Cclr F just now
said she wasn't sure, so it wd be helpful to know what that time start
is, and it's really great to have that as a prequel to the townhall
mtg, and unfortunate that we're getting the notice so late.
I know the boards will be up and staff will be there, will there
be a presentation at a particular time during that, or will it just be
ppl looking at the boards and filling in questionnaires?
Mayor: Do you know?
JF: I don't know--
Mayor: What I know-- Mr Nicholls?
JF: 6 pm to 8:30
CR: that's what I've got
SJN: if it's the mtg on the 8th, the invitations were sent
out, primarily directed at ppl that own property and do businesses
[sic? that's what I heard] in the area to see what their comments are
and the mtg starts at 6, presentation at 7, and it goes to
8:30.
CR: was it by invitation? or are other ppl?
Mayor: many invitations were sent out to biz owners and
landowners, and that's the focus, but it's public
I received notification a few weeks ago but I'm sorry if our
normal channels did not advertise it, perhaps b/c it has a slightly
different--
CR: this is what we were wondering
SJN: it's public if you wish to come, but it's directed to ppl
who have a particular interest in the area.
The main public mtg, the townhall mtg, is being held by Ccl and
being advertised
CR: then I'll let our ppl know
{Thought Bubble: why have a mtg for owners by invitation?
why aren't all public info mtgs public? why invitation for biz
and public for residents? hm.......}
Is there, Mayor G-J, what is your opinion in principle of
notifying residents of cmte and wkg group mtgs?
Mayor: Well, obviously, we give full notification.
{nope -- wait until you hear CAO.}
I think you're talking about the first mtg we had wrt the Rodgers
Area Wkg Group last week
CR: there are sev mtgs that have not been posted on the [DWV]
website
I don't want to pin it down to any particular group; I'd rather
keep it to what principle and what policy you're going to
follow.
Mayor: We're following -- the working groups have all discussed
this -- everybody feels the whole point is that they're open; they're
not an opportunity for the public necessarily to get involved in the
discussion, but ev mbr of Ccl who is part of a working group will be
reporting regularly each week or ev couple of weeks, so I think just
b/c these are starting up, we haven't got everything quite organized
but only one has met, so that's what we'll be doing with Patricia
Leslie [Communications], and making sure it will be laid out for the
public, and I have Mr Stuart who wants to comment.
CAO: but the working groups do have the flexibility depending
on the purpose of that particular mtg to decide if they are open in
fact or not, and so it really is up to the chairs to work with the
cmtes to determine what the topic is, what the agenda is, and whether
appropriate for the public to be there or not. Certainly the
intent was to provide that flexibility.
{As we subsequently see, flexibility is code word for
CLOSED.}
I don't want to leave an impression that there's an
automatic notification process. It really is up to
the working groups to take a look at what is on the agenda and
determine if it's appropriate or necessary for the public to be
there.
{oh really? What happened to the Cmnty Charter? the
law? the legislation? they can't simply decide to close meetings
at a whim or by a simple vote. There are rules to qualify to go
in camera. This appears to be lost on some ppl.}
CR: but what that makes me -- In response to that, it then
appears as if they can have an in camera mtg without having to qualify
as an in camera mtg; that's what that sounds like.
Mayor: I don't know what that means, to qualify as in
camera
{Read the Cmnty Charter -- but maybe the Mayor really
doesn't know or isn't sure. Is staff finding a way for closed
mtgs and lack of notification and some mbrs of Ccl had no idea this wd
result? That's the conclusion I've come to.}
CR: if there going to have a mtg in wch they do not notify,
they do not allow ppl to attend, and they do not allow ppl to speak,
that's sort of equivalent to an in camera, behind closed doors, mtg,
and I'm just wondering if that's going to be the policy for the
working groups.
And if you are -- the other thing about notification, if you
are -- on occasions when you give notification -- what notification
are you going to give and how long. Under legislation, it was 48
hours. Under the legislation, it's posting of the agenda outside
that door [M Hall], and I think it's unrealistic to expect residents
to walk by that door.
I wd hope -- as I've said, a towncrier wd be more effective
than having to go by the bulletin board, but if you had a policy to
put on the website two biz days before the mtg, I think that wd be
helpful.
Mayor: It will be on the website.
{good}
I believe there will be notification,
{believe? that sounds good, but what about
legislation -- must? hedging?}
although these working groups may resolve to go in camera.
We've had one initial mtg of one group. It's all just now coming
together. Each group will probably have one to decide what the
schedule will be. We're finding the times they prefer to meet
are all over the map. We're trying to be that kind of ccl,
flexible with that, so ppl can participate fully. It's early
days, but I wd think within two weeks ea grp will have met, will have
its mbrs, and will have a schedule.
CR: I know this isn't the place to debate it but there was a
cmte mtg last week, and it wasn't the working group that did not have
notification.
So that's why I want to establish a policy and if you say
there's going to be notification, I think it wd be helpful in the two
weeks you're taking to set this up, if you cd come out with a policy
and say, this is how much notification we're giving to the public,
this is how we're going to publicize it, so ppl know how they can find
out -- I think Cclr Day wants to speak
RD: after quite a lot of work, we got together a cmte, and we had
an orientation and a preliminary mtg in wch discussed the terms of
reference, as in will our mtgs be open, if so, will we entertain
questions from individuals, and so forth.
You've got to meet in order to decide that, there's such a thing
as an orientation and preliminary mtg
{Sorry. With all due respect, a meeting is a meeting
whether preliminary, middle, or last, and there is legislation wrt
meetings that is obviously being ignored.}
That was a preliminary mtg. Then we did it and set up the
TofRef, and there will then be notification henceforth. That is
complicated. We weren't sure when we wd be meeting.
Wednesday turned out not to be good for most ppl. Looks like
we're going to be meeting on Thursday, but you know when you've got
nine ppl plus staff, it's v difficult to work these things out, and
you can't do it in advance. You've got to have a preliminary
mtg, and that's what that was.
{Again, a meeting is a meeting, preliminary or any other in
the sequence. What's secret about working out when a cmte or
working group is going to meet? It may not take a minute,
probably a few more but this is not rocket science or so
philosophically complex that it takes hours to decide on. Very
strange.}
CAO: Again, I don't want to leave any incorrect
impressions. I mean, the working groups, we wanted to make
sure were flexible enough to deal with circumstances. They
are not restricted to Ccl's Procedure Bylaw, nor the legislation, the
working groups are not appointed by Ccl,
{but, again with all due respect, you may think the
Procedure Bylaw has been thrown out, but the legislation remains.
To claim that the legislation doesn't apply b/c the working groups
were not appointed by Ccl doesn't fly b/c they were albeit indirectly
by a Ccl cmte.}
so this really does give the groups the flexibility they need to
decide how in fact they're going to go forward, and if the working
groups want, a particular working group, and they are v v different.
I mean a group that's looking at grants is going to perhaps be
performing their biz in a v different way than Rodgers, than arts and
cultural implementation, I mean there's quite diversity in terms of
purpose of the groups, and so the purpose is to give the groups not
only between themselves the flexibility to get the work done, but also
within the actual program that they've got for themselves to determine
whether in fact they want to open their mtgs up, or alternatively even
engage in public
{This really seems to be saying, contrary to the impression
the Mayor gave wch is why he had to step in to clarify a second time,
they have the right to close mtgs and bar the public. Not good
news. Secret mtgs with devprs putting forth devt proposals and
rezoning/density changes is not a cornerstone of
democracy.}
consultation, so there's a lot more flexibility
CR: I want to make it clear I was not referring to that
particular mtg. I don't want Cclr Day to think I was referring
just to that mtg, there were other mtgs.
Mayor: Regardless, that information will be
public
{Well, guess we need to know exactly wch information the
Mayor is referring to.}
-- how these groups see themselves working, the type of
work they'll be doing, and that's just beginning. It wd be great
if each mbr of Ccl -- cd, with their staff counterpart, bring forward
a little report on that. That wd be the beginning.
CR: That wd be really helpful so ppl wd know; so that's in a
couple of weeks, we can have the TofRef, and when they're mtg
Mayor: for each one
CR: and how long notification, and what sort
JF: I have to say I think that Ms Reynolds has brought up some
good points, and that we do need to find a common way to
advertise and post notice of these mtgs, however we decide to do it,
and still allow the flexibility for each of these cmtes to exist.
I don't think it's impossible but I think it shd be one of the first
items we address so that we can ensure mbrs of the public have a clear
understanding of when the mtgs are being held and how they can
participate.
{Kind of JF to say so. Perhaps she's sensitive to the
negative perception given by announcing that mbrs of cmtes can hold
closed mtgs and/or without allowing the public to speak -- quite apart
from breaking the law and the intent of the law, quite apart from some
campaigning on "openness and transparency". Let's see
what turns up. At least the Mayor started out by stating there'd
be notification of all mtgs until that was clarified as not necessary
b/c of the "flexibility" they're giving to the groups.
}
CR: Thank you v much; much appreciated.
Mayor: thank you. /// 16.
ADJOURNMENT -- 10pm
=== AGENDA Ccl Mtg Feb 12th
===
CALL TO ORDER / APPROVAL OF AGENDA
2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES of February 05, 2007 Public
Hearing Minutes
DELEGATIONS
3. B. Hender
regarding West Vancouver Foundation
REPORTS
4. Civic Youth
Strategy Review 2003 - 2005 and Renew 2006 - 2010
(File: 2635?10)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the renewed Strategy and its youth icon be
received and endorsed.
5. Zoning
Amendment Bylaw (Daycares) for second and third readings
6. Development
Permit 06?058 (1555 Esquimalt Avenue) Solar Collector Array Panel
Installation RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. A Public Meeting be
waived for Development Permit No. 06 - 058; and
2. DP No. 06 - 058
(1555 Esquimalt) which would provide for the installation of solar
panels, be approved.
7.
Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Planning Process
RECOMMENDED: THAT the following reports be received for
community comment and Council consideration on March 12, 2007:
=B7 Report from the Sr.
Community Planner re: "Clovelly-Caulfeild Nbrhd Planning Process"
dated Feb 2;
=B7 Report from the
Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Plan Working Group:
"Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Planning Process: Final
Working Group Recommendations, January 2007"; and
=B7 Compilation of Four
(4) 'Discussion Papers' prepared by members of the Working
Group.
8.
Community Centre Quarterly Update
9. Hugo Ray
Park - Update and Project Adjustment
RECOMMENDED: THAT approval be given to the Hugo Ray Park Society
to expand the scope of the approved project to include the upgrading
of grass fields #3 and #4 in Phase 1.
10. Spirit Trail Project -
LocalMotion Funding Application
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. Council direct
staff to apply to the Province of British Columbia for LocalMotion
funding to construct the West Vancouver Portion of the Spirit
Trail.
2. Council commit to
matching LocalMotion funding as required by the Provincial Government
LocalMotion Program.
11. Child Care -
Formation of a Working Group
RECOMMENDED: THAT a Child Care Services Working Group be
established to address current child care issues in West Vancouver and
to carry out policy review and strategic planning.
12. BC Spirit Squares -
Capital Funding Program Applications
RECOMMENDED: THAT the capital funding program applications for
the town square in Ambleside and the atrium and plaza at the Civic
Centre Site Community Centre be submitted to the BC Spirit Squares
Program.
13. New Filming Policy &
Procedures
CONSENT AGENDA ITEM
14. Correspondence
List
Requests for Delegation: No items received.
Action Required
(1) January 26, 2007,
regarding Raw Sewage on Bellevue Avenue
Referred to the Director of Engineering and Transportation for
consideration and response.
(2) January 30, 2007,
regarding Dangerous Trees on the 10th Street Road Allowance
Referred to the Director of Parks & Community Services for
consideration and response.
(3) H. Keshavarz-Alexander,
WV Chamber of Commerce, January 30, 2007, regarding working with
the District on the Revitalization of Ambleside
Referred to Mayor and Council for consideration and response.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(4) Committee and Board
Meeting Minutes
(a) North Shore Advisory Cmte
on Disability Issues, regarding Minutes of the Mtg Held on November
30, 2006
(5) A. Miller, Western Canada
Wilderness Cmte, January 18, 2007, regarding BC's Mountain
Caribou
(6) C. Wyse, MLA, Cariboo
South, January 22, 2007, regarding Integration of Vancouver-area Ports
and Local Representation on the Proposed Vancouver Fraser Port
Authority
(7) N. Bello, Mayor, City of
Quesnel, January 24, 2007, regarding an Invitation to Visit
Quesnel
(8) G. Knight, Co-Chair,
Hollyburn Heritage Society, January 25, 2007, regarding Hollyburn
Heritage Society (HHS) Annual Report to Council for 2006
(9) D.R. Corrigan, Mayor,
City of Burnaby, January 26, 2007, regarding Resolution Respecting
Wildlife Rescue and Ecosystem Recovery Cost Accountability
(10) January 30, 2007, regarding
Residential Taxing and Current Budget System
(11) P. Chew, Executive Director, West
Coast Environmental Law, January 31, 2007, regarding The Green
Buildings Guide: Tools for Local Governments to Promote Site
Sustainability
(12) February 04, 2007, regarding
Ambleside Town Centre Strategy
Responses to Correspondence: No items presented.
Responses to Questions in Question Period: No items
presented.
15. REPORTS from MAYOR/COUNCILLORS 16. PUBLIC
QUESTIONS/COMMENTS 17. ADJOURNMENT
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Valentine's Day
Please, folks it takes two to be lovers. Well, usually.
Those dinners and gifts are for lovers, but you hope your lover's gift
is great. It is your valentine's day. Have a lovely
one!
=== HAIKU === 2=
007
January 28
Write a haiku to celebrate spring!
At a North Shore Wetland Partners mtg, when discussing Swy Wee
(Pound Creek by the Ambleside Youth Ctr), Paul Berlinguette mentioned
that the Squamish consider that spring starts from the first time they
hear the Pacific chorus frog. It was such a lovely image.
There are many 'rules' for a classic haiku but let's just have fun.
To encourage many to submit, just make sure it's 17 syllables (some
write less but never more; 5-7-5, 5-5-7, 7-5-5). Deadline is 5pm
Feb 24th and there will be prizes.
Submissions can be dropped off at Park Royal, West Van Florist
in Ambleside, The Blue Teapot in Dundarave, Caulfeild Art Gallery in
Caulfeild Village, and Spirit Gallery in Horseshoe Bay. Or send
it to haiku07@heritage.westvan.org and make sure to include contact
information.
Here's a sample celebrating the Squamish custom:
calm
shallow lagoon
wee
green chorus frog unseen
first peep of the spring
For more about Haiku Week 2007, go to www.heritage.westvan.org
and click on events. The flyer has been sent by email separately
from this enewsletter and printed copies of the flyer have also been
distributed. See also Tidings in NSNews Sunday Feb 18.
=== QUOTATIONS
===
Spanish - al
final, la patria es la lengua // English - after all, the
language is our homeland
* Ron Todd
You don't have power if you surrender all your principles -- you
have office.
It is error alone which needs the support of
government. Truth can stand by itself.
* DR. MARDY'S THOUGHT OF THE WEEK:
It is often said that understanding does not indicate agreement.
It is less well accepted, but also true that agreement does not always
indicate understanding.