in haste:

=  MAIN ITEMS Ccl Agenda June 25th: PUBLIC HEARING Collingwood/Wentworth campus;  Annual Report 2006/Budget Bylaws; Ev Dr Master Plan; Cycling/Greenway Plan ($10M); Hollyburn School Playground

=  Vive le Canada; SALMAGUNDI; THEATREWATCH; Calendar to July 4th

=  Ccl Mtg June 18th NOTES (WV Shoreline Preservation Society; Collingwood School/Morven Parking; Clovelly/Lower Caulfeild; Rezoning Application 2388/2396 Marine Dr; PQP: Amb WG Wed mtg without notification and -- incredibly -- tried for a closed mtg on Friday but someone told me, I told Mayor and Mayor to the rescue -- presto, at least they phoned a couple of interested ppl the night before.....)

=  Ccl AGENDA June 25; Maiku; Quotations; Subscribe to WVM!

>  Aboriginal Day, then celebrations for 250th anniversary of Capt Vancouver...last week

>  Happy Jean Baptiste Day -- a holiday Monday June 25th in Quebec.

>  At the FCM (Federation of Canadian Municipalities) annual mtg last month in Calgary there was a recommendation to change Councillor (wch it became about 1993 from Alderman) to MLG, Member of the Local Govt, consistent with MP and MLA.  The Squamish Chief newspaper has decided to call them MoLGs.  :-)

> Multiculturalism Day June 27th

> SEVEN WONDERS OF BC;  My suggestion was in an earlier WVM and in Saturday's VSun, they want your nominations for TEN wonders.  Go to www.vancouversun.com or send stories/images to sunwonders@png.canwest.com

> SEVEN WONDERS OF WEST VANCOUVER -- Please send your nominations to wonders@westvan.org

> HERITAGE WEST VAN: What's special in your nbrhd?  Is there a special spot? building? tree? Tell me about it: sevenwonders@westvan.org or call 922 4400

> LICENCE TO KILT?  http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/6234290.stm

** Sporran wearers may need licence **  Kilt wearers could face prosecution if they do not have a licence for their sporran under new laws. G asks, what about under the kilt?

As you know the popn growth of WV has been glacial (without global warming) at about 0.4% per year.  Since 2000, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, and Phoenix have grown by over 100,000 residents per year.

This map will show the change from 1947 to 2000 (and note that since then, Palestinians have even less land and control now in 2007).  http://www.exeterpsc.org.uk/map.jpg

> The Secret Downing Street Memo -- http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article8709.htm

===  THEATREWATCH -- Bard's Julius Caesar opens July 4th!

Jericho Arts Ctr's The Ladies of the Camellias was an interesting juxtaposition of theatre, actors, and historical/political thoughts and personalities in 1897.

===  CALENDAR to June 30th  ===  [M Hall unless otherwise noted; ongoing at end]

~ 4:30pm ~ Finance & Audit Cmte

Eve Llyndorah, mixed media; Stoica Niculae Nuca, acrylic on canvas; Tudor Serban, sculpture

and Artists in Attendance June 30 from 2 - 3pm.  Exhibit ends July 15.

The Greater Vancouver Regional District is partnering with Chambers of Commerce and Boards of Trade across Greater Vancouver to launch an expanded program of dialogues for 2007. http://www.gvrd.bc.ca/sustainability/dialogues.htm

New and innovative approaches to regional issues and attention to the growing impacts and opportunities of globalization are fundamental if we are to sustain those things that make our region special. Therefore, your opinions and participation at these sessions are vitally welcome and important.

== Sun, July 1st == :-)

+ July 1 - 31st + GALLERY AT THE LIBRARY ==&nb= sp; "TEXTURE"

+++  WV ARTS COUNCIL +++ visit www.silkpurse.ca for events (most ticketed)

+++  WV MUSEUM  +++  http://www.wvma.net/exhibits/index.html

--->  For events at KMC, see www.kaymeekcentre.com

+++  Dundarave Farmers' Markets every Saturday 10 to 4pm; Ambleside's on Sundays  +++

 =======  CCL MTG NOTES= June 18th =======

CALL TO ORDER

1.  APPROVAL OF AGENDA:  Amended adding some letters re Collingwood/Morven

2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES: May 28 and June 04, 2007 Regular Council Minutes

=B7 Public Amenity Policy

=B7 Sponsorship and Partnership Policy and Procedures

=B7 Annual Report 2006

=B7 Child Care Services Working Group - Status Update on the Cedardale Child Learning Centre and Related Work Program Initiatives

=B7 Rodgers Creek Area Planning - Status Report

RD: moved recommendations to be ratified

Mayor: there are minutes

Sop: thank you

SSch: sorry, I missed two: Annual Report designate June 25 for receipt and draft be available....; Child Care Update be received and considered at Rodgers and Ambleside WG discussions.

Steve Jenkins: Introduce Scott Christie, the go-between between staff, the Foreshore Society, and DFO; work between Ambleside and Dundarave

SC: On behalf of the WV Shoreline Preservation Society, thank you for this opportunity to present update on the work being done along the shoreline.  Mission to preserve, educate, and improve the environment along the WV shoreline.  Past year and a half have been working with staff and approval agencies to achieve this goal.  Currently, waves impact..... process.....can go over top of seawall... [SLIDES showing sediment, waves' effect on transport process].  Surveys to map..... foundation of shoreline must be established to develop strategies; requires subtidal work.  Mapping sections of the shoreline.  Diverse cmnty of plants and animals [SLIDES]; opportunities to enhance.  Interesting features underwater, I've had opp to see.  Biophysical surveys.  Salmon control.  Habitat.  Between Lawson and McDonald flat.  Target species cd be enhanced.  Series of pilot projects, short term -- a few years -- for protection.  Building material of choice is rock -- recovered and recycled from the Squamish hwy and District projects -- by truck, placed on barges,....  Participation of DWV staff,particularly Rick Burnham (sp?), coordination, hundreds of trucks, key.  Several projects re McD Crk, projects on shore built on beach [slides], bypass; deflect to east; shoreline stabilization.  If you're walking along the seawall you'll see some of these features, structures.  Consultant involved.  During main storm events, fortunately some of our pilot projects in place, sediment loads coming down with heavy rains, managed to trap some of it.   [Photographs showing this.]  Traps in place otherwise wd hv disappeared into deep water.  Monitor around rocks to see if changes due to waves.  With stability, shoreline preservation has begun.  Algae and barnacles are already colonized.  Opportunities to interact and learn.  WVSPS looks forward to building on the initial successes of these pilot projects.

Mayor: thank you; important that ev recognizes the initiative came from the residents of WV; successful in attracting corporate partners.

Sop: great respects to the Society; took it upon yourselves, and so nicely given to us by a mbr of EAC.  Commended; wonderful things; citizens took initiative and ran with it.  Can see results already, seawall.  Fantastic initiatives.

JF: wd echo Cclr Sop's remarks.  Are you going to be able to monitor and see progress, return of species.

CS:  one of the reasons of mapping was to be able to monitor changes over time; if pilot projects successful then larger projects with greater protection and habitat opportunities.

RD: just thinking back; I was ccl rep with the EAC and, extraordinary, one individual, Adrian Rowland, volunteered to sit on that cmte, he was harbour master in BC with DFO; he came on the cmte with the idea of persuading EAC and Ccl, and cmnty, of importance of reclaiming our foreshore, and the EAC was quickly won over to his work, Ccl too; great support let to formation of this Society; indiv volunteers, staff, and others contributing; extraordinary work; see sand building up on beaches; quite an achievement, want to add my congratulations too

to Steve Jenkins as well, and to Society

Mayor: Cclr Ferguson read thanks -- I think it shd read the Shoreline Preservation Society.

We look forward to the next report.

Sop: do like to be involved but solicitor stated possible conflict of interest (b/c of grandson) shd if this affect fees

[so removed himself, left Chamber]

THAT the Alternative Proposal for addressing the Collingwood School (Morven) number of students/parking issue as set out in section 3.1 of the report dated May 18, 2007 from the Community Planner, be approved.

Mayor: you are excused; now begin with speaking list.

> Nick Gear: was 24/25 years ago on board when started

remember years...  best school -- awards..

800 families, live and vote in this cmnty; we are legion

reasonable, thought matter was resolved

make good; allow us the time

not a quick solution, adversely affecting the life of children

My wife Patti and I -- rather than concerns of a few for whom reasonable steps have been taken

real estate ads say close to Collingwood School

make sure we'll follow through with the steps

> Roger Wright: Head of School and support solution by your Planning Dept

suggests a relief from compliance from a bylaw we're not in compliance with until 2010

School will agree to cap its enrolment to 495 and confident that will happen in 2010.

committed to a cordial relationship with our nbrs; not their fault, the school's fault

commend Jim Bailey your staff -- gone beyond call of duty, propose from floor you give him a raise

compassion, their wanting the best for their nbrhd; met many reasonable and prudent nbrs I'd never met before; hope to become closer friends with them

Next year will be my 25th year as head of a school, and I intend to apply all my skill to do two things.  One is to build a middle school and the other is to build a stable relationship with our nbrhd.

> David Blair: the last time we went through this exercise years ago I was one of the leaders of the cmnty; here tonight in a diff vein

want to congratulate Ccl and staff getting us here where we are today.

in all fairness, my nbrs have ev right to be frustrated and bent.  It's been such a long time to have venue to vent that they really need two or three opportunities

one of my nbrs came up to me, said you shd talk to these guys.  Integrity.  A big thing with me.  I went to Collingwood and I was impressed.  Put a few points not in my letter, written before went to mtg.

Notwithstanding what Mr Gear said, but starting out they made a few mistakes

you've got to find a way of erasing your mistakes and moving on

some of my nbrs were on the other day about the financial penalty -- didn't seem reasonable

my reaction was the opposite

if you're going to take the financial penalty route, you're not trustworthy, you don't have integrity

if you do that often enough, potential benefactors will sink

it's kind of like a baseball game, three strikes and you're out

Mistakes they made, communications the biggest, if we'd resolved something earlier..... the next strike is strike number three

really behooves the school to make this work

likewise the headmaster; first saw him last week -- first reaction was here's a guy with integrity

he's the third headmaster they've had and the first two were disappointments

make sure he has ev opportunity to do what he says he's going to do

cd have been a legal or political solution, but I believe it's a case of moral suasion

wrt last week's mtg, one of the things that came up, Doug Jamieson, passionate and I really like him, he asked questions I thought headmaster shd answer.

Ppl from nbrhd and school saying the same things; trying to figure out a solution

wd also like to commend the M staff -- this gentleman, frustrated, I have these no parking signs in front of my house, asked my nbrs if friends cd park in their driveway; he explained the problems the signs wd cause.  Impressed with that.

A former parent and current employee spoke highly of the headmaster

sometimes your initial impression is the right one

I left the mtg thinking worthwhile to come here and support what you're saying

also like to point out the Ccl of the day was in place, way back when, we wdn't have ended up in court.

> Gary xxx: start by acknowledging my newfound admiration for being in public service

difficult,

deepseated animosity; 20 years of disregard

seven years,

believe there is a better way forward: dialogue nbrhd and school

school not levered to love fest, xxx

hope all parties will see benefits of dialogue

prop remain a sgl fam

mgmt of school parking can be better done, sch has already demonstrated can be done

parking at Pk Royal and Hollyburn with shuttle bus

low in bus, but start has been made

..... than on enforcement alone

xxx

495 number linked to Wentworth but the worst fallback position is failure of the W School and enrolment of 710

xxx

who knows

chance and hope of nbrhd dialogue diff to imagine

not surprised returned to M xxx

wd nullify xxx

must ackn time by Andy, Reno, and Colin Spicer ... xxx

I'm not a cmnty leader; ... but did find abuse somewhat difficult

> A??:  the location of the parking problem from in front of my house to my nbr's is not a soln

in long term wd ensure sustainability, parking space without sacrificing green field

Madam Mayor, I'm aware you inherited this xxx

hope this Mayor and this Ccl will convey the msg that xxx

how to file complaints with xxx

> Cal Bass (?): Chair of the board of Collingwood

want to comment Ccl and staff for time xxx on our behalf

deliver far more than compliance

healthy relationship bet sch and nbrs

proposal will dramatically improve

firmly believe supports both these initiatives

> Brian Kerr-Smith: Brian Curser; three boys attend

until a few months ago no idea how bad a nbr we were

good feeling with with head of bd/sch, thought it cd be diff

held dialogue and result what you see today

general feeling of goodwill

although some comments and criticisms, nbrs got back their streets and xxx

More has been accomplished in past 60 days than past 20 years

current admin deserves credit for acting

what has been put in place good and given time, better

consider what has been accomplished in this short time

proposal not mandated by anyone, evolved from good discussion

future for Morven area v bright

it takes longer than 60 days to unwind 20 years of bad feelings

a start, look forward to future

> Randy Zine: no longer have chn in school on bd from 1997 till recently

share a bit of tiny

not ever mentioned in those ten years, never mentioned to anyone sch was not in compliance

there may have been acrimoniousness with nbr but bd sat there in blissful ignorance for ten years

as soon as notice in violation, first was disbelief, second ask former bd mbrs, third to contact M as to what to do

we sat in ignorance and no nbr brought it to our attn

important that once done, bd acted quickly

difficult choice between two draconian decisions don't have to be made this evening

maybe with time a happier resolution

no idea in violation, offer my apologies, and support

> Reno Stradiotto: 75 Morven Dr, lived across from the school for 42 years

some history important to shed some light

20 years ago involved, including David Blair trying to convince Ccl at that time not to change zoning to CU9 to 600; at that time popn of school 509

not objection to school rather that site too small for school for that size

access of emerg vehicles

recognizing nbrs' concerns Sch engaged consultants: xxx; busing prog; timetable staggering; times for dismissal at various times during the day

the Sch has taken some retrospection, with new headmaster some desire to live with nbrhd harmonious rather than confrontation

now unlike 1988/89, have checks and balances

unfortunately some in cmnty iron-clad..... choose to ignore signif gains, xxx

2008

will resemble Pyrrhic victory and cmnty loses good relationship and forfeiting gains

felt reduction a quick fix; not a one-to-one relnship but to 495 will be noticeable

forced for busing and made to observe parking ban xxx

> Colin Spicer: live at 81 Morven Dr, as Reno, Douglas, and Andy said, we formed the core group; I too want to thank Jim Bailey and one of the reasons we are where we are tonight

the history here is a great deal of distrust from the nbrhd of the school

what has happened in the past is over

reference to $1M bonds, etc, and I shd confirm I support the dialogue to go fwd???

all relates to....

a better way be found, so that not back here in 2010; move forward from today

> Doug Quindon: 87 Glengarry Crescent

in favour of this negotiated proposal, Reno, Andy, Doug have done for nbrhd

feel a v positive step

lived for past 14 years, relative newcomer

have seen token attempts by Sch to change and only let to greater animosity

this time I feel it's different; seen a shift in sch's attitude not there in past

willingness to deal with problems

re parking, shows serious this time; yes some students still abusing this; with time they will fall in line

> [MS moved report be received and alternative proposal set out in Section 3.1]

> MS: unfortunately the situation as the speaker has said

Collingwood is a good school and Glenmore is a good nbrhd

assure both good nbrs and playing a positive role in cmnty

compromise doesn't please everybody; pretty extensive what school has agreed to to mitigate situation wrt parking and dropoff around the school

the headmaster, Mr Wright, cdn't be more clear -- he's staked his reputation that this will work and Chairman of Bd stated intend to uphold commitments

if you look at agreement, 85 Morven Dr sgl fam dwelling, to 2010 600 and to 495 when Wentworth complete

shuttle bus service; banned student parking; 150 parking stalls on site, pickup and dropoff on school prop monitored, will meet regularly with nbrhd

with that and police and staff no doubt school will meet all commitments, will be positively addressed and work to almost ev's satisfaction

> JF: I too am v pleased with outcome of this process

all entered into negotiations with spirit of goodwill, feel this best we can do for now

heartened continued, so finetuning can be accommodated

perhaps what happened 20 years ago, perhaps some negligence on behalf o DWV to ensure bylaw upheld

pleased some checks and balances; M a partner so doesn't run off rails again

really important b/c relationships are what nbrhds are all about

some of the students not from nbrhd, even more imp b/c from outside, to assure safe pleasant place to reside

> RD: used to coach baseball on that field

they've had to put up with a lot over the years

pleased to see Collingwood admin moving in cooperative

most of nbrs moved to middle ground

only way to go, to create good relations

pleased; pretty hard for staff to monitor; operate on basis of complaints

hope motion will bring a solution to an old problem

reach a solution not perfect, solid; never perfect but think it will work, both sides respect

need a transition period here; think will find in next cpl of years better

ban on parking, all these things will bring relief right away

> VV: bylaws to uphold

Mayor is to see that the laws are carried out; simple and straightforward

appreciate progress, change of heart

all that is needed even to go with the 600 students

problems all came with 600 then to 718

take 118 or the 280 of the Middle School

doesn't look as if looking to find space

why have to carry on; still that number of cars

still read in NSNews, students saying we can still drive and walk to school just from farther away

already email from nbrs further away

with the best will in the world, limited control headmaster can have once outside sch prop

support but wd propose amendment, 718 to 2007

> Mayor: amendment or contrary?

> SSch: contrary to motion on the floor

> Mayor: if motion on floor fails, I'll return to you

my role in Ccl is one of trustee and good governance to nbrhd; they're giving up quality of life

don't feel justified doing that; shd preserve quality of life; going to endless effort just to achieve what they're entitled to in first place

JC: I'm going to support this motion

xxx horrible on this whole nbrhd; poor example for the kids set to educate

this motion does go some distance in moving forward; better than in past

believe me, I'll be holding onto that ton of bricks

> Mayor: the goal is to bring Collingwood not just to compliance but well below

three years to achieve that goal

imp we're behaving in a way to bring the best out of this

two months ago felt never wd see eye to eye and felt we had to xxxx

all about addressing nbrhd concerns

putting best possible

for someone like Jim Bailey to put his facilitative skills, our role, not arbiter

xxx... how much more our cmnty can be when processes.... xxx

that first mtg was two hours of yelling; that had to happen; frustration over 20 years

in favour of proposal; establish relationships, staff here always ready to help you.

CARRIED with VV opposed

1. The amendment to the Community Engagement Committee Terms of Reference be approved; and

2. The Working Group Guidelines be received for information.

Mayor: honed and refined

can take it back but just to let you know what are constructive guidelines

felt strongly shd be written in a positive tone so diff flavour from past.

VV: have trouble with the diagram and the lines

remembering the Cmnty Charter, Ccl is authorized to delegate

but not receiving, approving, perhaps CAO can recall better

VV: if different line going down than up maybe just drawing another line

maybe someone

give a little thought

CAO: it is the resp of cmte, so better way to advise that

Ms Scholes is with that cmte so perhaps address VV's comments for next week

CARRIED

1. The report from the Sr. Community Planner dated May 25, 2007 be received; and

2. The final recommendations of the Clovelly-Caulfeild Neighbourhood Plan Working Group be endorsed, for further consideration by District Staff, as outlined in this report.

Stephen Mikicich, Planning Staff; wrt pp 18 March 26, 16 speakers; oral comments summarized; 12 in support; two concerns

five letters, support and strong opposition; sixth letter a joint submission of 15 props against process;

four outside area strong support

summarized in appendix C

Section 2.4 outlines, further District action

approp means for house and site construction -- soil removal....

wd address concerns wrt blasting, soil removal, ..... rain...... and privacy

further will be discussed by Housing Dialogue WG

voluntary permit process shd follow; cd consider variances to zoning; criteria "designing with nature"

early 2008

work on H Registry underway this summer ......

forthcoming by mid-July; nbrhd character issues

RD: glad to see we're making progress here

probably received more complaints about disruption of nbrhds about construction

When I look at Lower Caulfeild guidelines I think I wish we had for whole cmnty

enforcement; put some meat into this

many of the recommendations are wishful thinking and rather vague

VV: do agree with what Cclr Day says

building new homes where xxx

like to see a way can improve value on one lot but not devalue adjacent

do without being offensive to the nbring houses

need some thought; enhancing shdn't be at the value of nbring props

hope some thought

Sop: as we look at possibly a trial area

out there to look at various problems with drainage

trees, views

maybe need an initiative -- have even seen a smaller house on a smaller lot

need recommendations, might come from Cclr Clark's Housing Policy

privately owned land is where staff will have to dig deep

wonder how that's going to evolve

wait three or four months till it comes to Ccl; or talk here

SM: a lot of the character recommendations are flowing into dialogue we're having now

hope to complete that in year

what became clear is that defining a nbrhd is not easy

drew lines on a map; didn't nec correspond to what ppl thought a nbrhd was

trying to define what makes WV special and what makes.... what to enhance

Housing Policy, Heritage Incentives

CAO: Ccl has recently received a status report from Rodgers, from Amb, from....

there needs to be opportunities for Ccl to be plugged into what WG is hearing

sure that's going to occur as well

Mayor: arising from all of this work; are these recoms to be applied District wide or to a street

SM: several; draft was nbrhd specific and perceived by some radical

negative reaction got group to thinking

arbitrary

hearing similar concerns throughout; some specific, as traffic

Mayor: Nbrhd Housing dialogue has come out of this

Steve Nicholls's burning desire to rewrite the zoning bylaws

look at...  preserving natural grade, roads

CAO:  Mr Nicholls and his role of over the next couple of years....

Mayor: certainly so many identify with nbrhds

not usual, talk about buildings WV nbrhds

this says two things: endorse or defining xxx

CAO: some recs require further study and other action

say for further consideration and action

in some cases action anticipated

MS: I think we're debating two motions

I thought we were sending these to staff to come back to Ccl; and then LC

Mayor: two

MS: Clovelly not in LCaul

GB: not in the designated H

Mayor: not in the designated H area

Sop: so what is the area; what is the action

CAO: there are a number of recommendations grouped in categories

maybe WG's activities, other, looking at bylaws and coming back to Ccl

SM: maybe I shd go back to rec writing school

final is......[reads section 2.4] specific actions

amending consideration and action wd clarify that

Mayor: thank you

Sop: but we're not endorsing the WG

Mayor: part A, B, C, broad, applied to cmnty as a whole, some will be picked up by Housing Dialogue and others by xxx

SM: any of this has to come back Ccl if deals with bylaws

Mayor: come back but going in right direction

CARRIED

that group was a precursor and learned

THAT the process for review of the Lower Caulfeild Heritage Conservation Area designation set out in Section 3 of the report dated May 31, 2007 from the Urban Design Planner be approved.

Simon Gabriel: here last year, you understood to review the guidelines; last Nov revisited and made it a priority

364 days from last

and concern, says 'designation'; thought it was about guidelines, not that designation was in question

GB: guidelines come with design, objective... encompassing

SG: says often dealing with design not guidelines

RD: shd support what you say; shd be guidelines

David Manson: 4768 The Highway.  Question wrt the items regarding policy in Section 2 of the report are also included as part of the review

the makeup and function of the LCAC

GB: wd be part of the discussion

DM: policies that currently govern the area also up for review

GB: what and process to follow

propose; terms of reference wd be taken out to cmnty; to cover all issues cmnty felt important

[VV made motion]

Mayor: notice you removed the word 'designation'

RD: good/agree

Mayor: fine

VV: hope we'll proceed with this

Sop: may I ask if designation of LC, is it a DP area?

GB: called a H alteration area; similar but enabling legislation quite different

Sop: looking at a DP area?

GB: cd be asked if nbrhd felt it shd be; scope of review wd be diff

Sop: does it refer to character?

GB: those words specifically used for a type of DP area

here we're talking about character, so bigger scope; landscape and how relates to terrain

Sop: most of the devt in that area was intrusive

hope we can come up with guidelines that will enhance when it comes to redo devt

hope recommendations will reflect that

CAO: just a little concerned

what do you mean by reviewing area; maybe change to xxx

Mayor: yes

RD: much better

MS: have some concerns about the timelines we're taking with these studies

staff report says here residents started meeting in late 80s, 1995 H Conservation Area, and here we are 20 years later, not just this area but as Ccl Day quite properly said, we're reaching a crisis situation in WV

can't see hiring a consultant taking another six months

stop what's happening in this nbrhd and others

Mayor: a lot of that in prev motion

for LC area, this is a ten-year review; alteration process pertains to homes

ppl aren't xxx

excludes residents

preserve parkland, street character

agree, don't know why consultant, taking so long

nbrhds ...

GB: ... working on projects

CAO: you're also heading into summer period

look at project; critical, over four-month period pretty quick

JF: a lot of work to do in next year, year and a half

nbrhd characteristics, what preserve

while still accommodating change that needs to take place

look at phase, review, take six months and think that will be an investment

then can apply to other areas

be sure a broad band of ppl involved in process

in Clovelly and Caulfeild we heard a lot diverge; can learn a better way working with nbrhds looking at divergent points of view without ...... inhibiting

won't be easy; think those six months good, learning

have these discussions; I'd like to see with nbrhd

SSch: videoclip...

GB: intention here, thinking we'd go to the nbrhd

JF: really will be pivotal; time to get back

GB: come to Ccl

do see Ccl; given the lateness, now 18th of June, ppl of Caulfeild on vacation, let them know

1. The report from the Planning Analyst dated June 12, 2007 be received; and

2. Staff be directed to not enforce the zoning bylaw for a period of 12 months commencing June 18, 2007, at 2461 Marine Drive to allow for a group day care.

MS gave explanation:  go from six to 12, on upper floor

Sop: opp to sit in on mtg with providers what they face with ministry

not the easiest of tasks

without a valid bylaw; we're not there yet

know WG is doing great work, recommendations will come down

even eight in a house specific control factors; some you just get five, or three, or four

gotta start finding some approp space; WG will make solid recommendations

THAT Staff complete a review of Development Application No. 07-015 after holding a Neighbourhood Consultation Meeting to solicit community comment on issues associated with the proposed Zoning and Official Community Plan amendment for 2388 and 2396 Marine Drive.

E Fonseca:  President of ADRA; our organization opposes this spot zoning

we support residents' rights; not imposed changes

when we change our OCP we set a precedent; they will challenge it again and again

[JF made motion; Day seconded]

Mayor: Ms Boyle, outline process?

GB: the OCP provides some direction how this might be handled

H3 and H5; first applies to resident sgl fam areas -- shd be a special process

assist in evaluation

parallels LGA, shd provide opps for public re plan changes

H5: mixed residential devts; mixed use character

Mayor: what does that mean

GB: how do you relate a restaurant to nbrhd? xxx

restaurant has left

at this point not seeking approval, rather that there be a formal dialogue whether this shd be entertained

Mayor: when?

GB: talked about tentatively June 26; taking with staff won't be possible

normally not in summer but if Ccl wants dialogue to take place, July or September

MS: I'd speak against this motion

[as] Ms Fonseca [fears] why not take props to east and make it an even bigger project -- don't agree

who are you going to inform and how advertise?

GB: a direct mail beyond 100 meters

from 24th to 23rd on both sides of lane, N and S, and also Dund commercial area

there have been two nbrhd mtgs but by the devpr

b/c plan, want to do a newspaper

JC: I'm not going to support this either but for not those reasons

we've spent most of tonight talking about nbrhds -- Collingwood/Glenmore, Clovelly., etc ...so I'm

VV: I don't think this wd pass H3

shd meet similar conditions [quotes], and wd provide physical separation

that description seems to be different; certainly no greenbelt and residences next door

RD: I seconded the motion b/c I wanted to see what my colleagues wanted to say

what nbrs

restaurant bad there; think, right, this is too big for this site

will vote against as well but shd be looking at at least the restaurant site

Mayor: just want to ask a question about obligation to cmnty

abandoning restaurant -- Capilano restaurant, tagging; cd be a beautiful corner

they didn't want a grocery store there

GB: if Ccl defeats this, applicant wd have to look at how to proceed

did look at a mixed use; not in favour but nbrhd seemed in favour of residential wch is why dvpr proceeded with residential

reasonable support for all residential

if Ccl has some specific direction for applicant, wd..

RD: a little hesitant

the design of the bldg is a good one, the architect designed Delany's

also ...... and...... also

I know design is not an excuse, is not everything

I know design trying to fit in with nbrhd

architect is a good designer

seems to me the restaurant is not a good use; mixed use on that site wd be a good one

Mayor: so call vote

Mayor: wd you like to go back for commercial only?

Sop:

Mayor: mixed use

Sop: as in OCP

only for direction to make application back they have right to do

SSch: give wording?

Sop have to be careful?  nbrhd rezone?

CAO: if to consider, not approve

Ccl may be prepared to consider a mixed use..... subject to approp process

Sop: well, cd rezone to duplex?

CAO: so mixed or duplex?

RD: I'll make

Sop: and duplex zone

Ccls can't decide

CAO: log of comments and we'll talk to owner

11. Sign Bylaw No. 4499, 2007

12. Traffic and Parking Bylaw No. 4370, 2004 Amendment Bylaw No. 4516, 2007

13. Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005 Amendment Bylaw No. 4502, 2007

JC: one question, p 213 $82 per person per hour $85 per person per hour

that's not what those indivs paid so where does that money go

CAO: ea dept has a revenue acct

JC: not to the association? not proportion?

CAO: difficult -- what page?

Mayor: p213; filming, personnel

CAO: perhaps Mr Beauchamp, more involved

RB: flow back to dept as revenue but deptal revenues, nothing to do with the association

JC: my info incorrect?

Mayor: what is it

JC: flows back

RB: not aware of that; staff can check into it

Mayor: means not deal with or?

CAO: we can deal with it

Sop: as we adjust these, ... in diff ways

again 5:30 in morning -- lose half hour then and end of day

decision not to increase these fees not impact these ppl?

CAO: broad range of changes to activities, this deals with charges

to make the $200K

these adjustments to rates don't eliminate need for other fees

Sop: do we have to start reducing hours as well

from services through to Parks

only in initial process, have taken away add'l monies as well to meed final target

less impact ...  will affect some ppl

Mayor: slightly outside of bylaw but does relate

Sop: difficult for staff to meet our direction; have to keep modern as other Ms' services

deserves a little conversation with these ppl

Mayor: think ev aware what that zero tax increase means; we'll hear in the cmnty

14.  CONSENT AGENDA ITEM --  Correspondence List, just one removed for discussion

(1) June 11, 2007, regarding Parking in Ambleside - Proposed 1 Hour Parking Restrictions on Marine Drive

Referred to the Director of Administrative Services for consideration and response

RD: where we are

CAO: was referred to Amb WG

RD: mistake

Mayor: no decision made

Sop: through Ccl Smith; sat in with Child Care WG

ppl coming in, ask, get a diff perspective; makes these WGs really solid

in report coming forth; makes our job easier when know results

why if we are requiring space wd the school bd not in their vast lands not allow portables or other be developed

in NV at Cleveland School, an incredible after-school and preschool

have responsible ppl

go to gym if wet and outside if sun; parents pick them up; rules and regulations prov sets down; sch boards...

RD:

Mayor: we are trying to use this time for reports from WGs

CAO: from experience in NV that works with vacant portables,

Mayor: and school participating in WG

JF: Amb WG mtg/planner last Wed evening -- to the

and Madam Mayor was there; well received

Mayor: a lot of positive

MS: Ch of Commerce breakfast

Paul Gravett from Kay Meek getting out and about

annual dinner is this Thursday at Cap Golf Club -- you Mayor or JF

open to all mbrs of Ccl

'

Mayor: asked to speak at local leadership academy

premier

chose to focus on WGs, institutions to adapt to ppl rather than other way around

to UBCM convention in fall

thank Geri Boyle for manning Ev Dr booth over the weekend

popping; lots of interest

traffic, but lots of what's it going to cost and when can we move in

CR, Yours Truly: Sorry.  Good Evening.  Before my question, something wch came up earlier, I'm just curious, the mtg that was on Wednesday night, with all the WGs, I didn't think that was on the Calendar.  Cd you tell me what that mtg was?

CAO: She's Mgr of Cultural Services

JF: so that all of the other groups that she is working with wd hv an opp to hear the presentation that staff has been making in a variety of places, basically.  The same presentation you've seen in the past.  Was put on for ADRA.

Mayor:  the standard powerpoint presentation

CR: but I just wd hope in view of your commitment to openness and my agreement with that, and the guidelines we're putting out, that these mtgs shd be,  ah, there shd be notice of these mtgs so that ppl hv the opp to attend if they wish to.  If they've seen it before, I mean, lots of times there's an update and things hv changed -- but that's not what I was going to talk about I just was curious when I heard about a mtg that was not on the Calendar, and we want to have it on the Calendar

Earlier this evening Cclr Day mentioned about having a transcript and so this is something I was working on and was going to bring up much later, but might as well jump in since Cclr Day brought it up.  As you know I do a newsletter

They are extremely valuable for searching.  For example, when the 742 Keith house, when ppl wanted to know the status, and Cclr V knows that I did this, all we had to do was google with our system, and I cd tell you that in 2005 [at a ccl mtg], Stuart Lyon, the architect for Millennium, had said, "yes, we recognize this heritage house; we're prepared to keep it, etc. etc." and there are lots of things you can google for and go back and get.  It's far more valuable for research.  I know I've given notes to Cclr Day -- if he's missed a mtg (eg RCrk) I've given him a transcript of what's happened.

So I wd suggest, I've done a little bit of looking into this, and you don't have to go for a full transcript but I do think the District shd consider having the main points.  One of the criticisms that I heard of the [DWV record of the] Public Hearing on Ev Dr was that it was little more than a list of who spoke -- relative to this, relative to that, relative to the other, as Cclr Day said -- without saying what they liked, what they didn't like, so there can be the points.

What I did find out a couple of weeks ago, is that in Pasadena they do have a transcript of the ccl mtgs.  I thought, My God how can they afford that? The strange thing is that in fact they outsource it to India.  So it's done for about, the figure I was given was $400 a month, I can give the [exact figs].  That's something you certainly can afford, but what happened is, that it isn't just, I think it's

Mumbai, I don't if it's Bangalore or Bombay/Mumbai, but one of the three ppl they hired, doing the [transcript outsourced to] India is a graduate from a university in California -- so it's someone who speaks English, you know they have English in India anyway, but is a university graduate from California

so I think it's something you might want to look at

I think it can be done for [a few/couple of] hundred dollars a month; I think it's valuable

I think that you can still have your minutes that record the motions but if you have that as a research document I think it wd be extremely valuable b/c it's v helpful when you read what's gone on at a mtg as Cclr Day said earlier; not just who was in favour but what their reasons were for a motion or against a motion b/c that can affect what you think about a particular item; so I hope you will look at it seriously

Mayor: Certainly the fact that we are now on real player on ccl agenda and you can click on and watch a ccl debate is a step in the right direction.

Mayor: Well, I'm talking about the steps this Ccl has

CR: oh I see, yes, yes, absolutely.

Mayor: I do have a question for Ms Scholes.  How will those be banked?  What is our thinking around saving those recordings?

SSch: At this point, there's no definitive retention, but we're taking our lead from DNV who has bn doing this for a number of years, and has retained all the video streams of those ccls.  We also have the DVD copies and prior to that the videotape copies of the ccl mtgs.

Mayor: okay, tyvm

CR: that's good to know b/c at one point they were recorded over.  That's good.  I hope you will look at the transcript idea.  Thank you.

Mayor: Thank you.

17. ADJOURNMENT 9:54

=======  CCL AGENDA June 25th ======= PUBLIC HEARING and CCL MTG

1.                  CALL TO ORDER

2.                  PUBLIC HEARING

(re  Collingwood School - Wentworth Campus) (File:  1010?20?06?034)

Mayor Goldsmith-Jones will describe the procedure for the Public Hearing/Public Meeting

The applicant will be provided an opportunity to make a presentation on the subject application.