WVM2007-22
June 25th Ccl NOTES
Calendar to July 11
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
WVM2007-22
June 25th Ccl NOTES
Calendar to July 11
Hope everyone enjoyed Canada Day and the long weekend. A
time to celebrate our cmnty and our country.
+++ The fight continues for open govt. Read
about the latest!
The exchange at June 25th's ccl mtg is in the Notes separated
by ====s
...Meanwhile, over at the Hall and in this newsletter:
= Next Ccl mtg July 9th; agenda ought to come out late
Thursday, July 5th
= Vive le Canada; THEATREWATCH; ANIMALWATCH;
INFObits/Salmagundi (WV New Police Chief; Statistics Women, Iraq; GVRD
Livability?; Worm Charming); Calendar to July 11th
= Ccl PH and Ccl Mtg June 25th NOTES: Public Hearing re
Collingwood's proposed Wentworth expansion (others as well as my
Submission with background included); Annual Report 2006/Budget
Bylaws; Ev Dr Master Plan; Cycling/Greenways ($10M); Hollyburn
Playground Project: HOG for UBCM; Fireworks Funding?; in Reports
JF proposes a closed mtg to discuss Amb Town Ctr strategies -- read
about reaction!
= Medical Technology (The Psychiatrist and the
Proctologist); Quotations
=== VIVE LE CANADA
*** SEVEN WONDERS OF BC -- has received hundreds!
Go to www.vancouversun.com or send stories/images to
sunwonders@png.canwest.com
*** SEVEN WONDERS OF WEST VANCOUVER --C'mon, folks,
I'm sure you have noticed some special places in WV. Only a
couple so far. Name them when you write to wonders@westvan.org
-- what's your favourite park?
*** HERITAGE WEST VAN
> What's special in your nbrhd? Is there a special
spot? building? tree? Tell me about it: mynbrhd@westvan.org or
call 922 4400 (Rebekah and Gen will take your information).
> Call to reserve for the RoyalTea 2 - 4pm Sat July
28 at Dundarave Park www.royaltea.ca.
=== THEATREWATCH
ANTICIPATED (and what potential!): Opening Night for Bard's
Julius Caesar is July 4th!
=== ANIMALWATCH
+ lion kissing/hugs:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=iAk8Z8Bcsz8 and
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPBOA2pGPFI
+ Printer Problems?
www.youtube.com/watch?v=6pq9kUcDkhQ or long version:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZI7JejVPKBQ
=== INFObits/SALMAGUNDI
+++ New WVPD Police Chief [full press release sent
to WVM email subscribers June 26]
The WV Police Board announced today the
hiring of a new Chief Constable. Superintendent Kashmir (Kash)
P. Heed of the Vancouver Police Dept will assume duties as West
Vancouver's new Chief on August 2, 2007....
Since 1979, Kash Heed has moved
progressively through the ranks of the Vancouver Police Department
from Constable, Detective, Sergeant, Inspector, and currently,
Superintendent responsible for Vancouver's Districts Three and Four
(South Vancouver). Throughout his career, Kash Heed has been at the
forefront of policing, pioneering new initiatives aimed at crime
reduction and prevention, greater community and police engagement, and
organizational change...
A formal swearing-in ceremony is planned
with a date and time to be determined.
+++ STATISTICS
= STATS re Women in BC [thx to our MLA Sultan for
passing this on]
...
from Premier Campbell's weekly radio address (CKNW 8:27am) June
23
Premier Campbell: Women entrepreneurs are growing and a driving
force in B.C.'s strong economy. Today, women own 35% of our small
businesses putting B.C. among the top three provinces for women
entrepreneurs. Forecasts suggest that by 2015, just ten years
away, their numbers will double to 264,000 across British Columbia.
This is a great development. Immigrant women are a big part of
this story, too. One in five self-employed women were born outside of
Canada. More and more women are playing an ever increasing role
in B.C.'s economic leadership. In fact, B.C. has the best job creation
record in Canada because of women entrepreneurs and small business
owners across this province.
= MORE STATISTICS -- 25 June 2007 from Website:
informationclearinghouse.info
- Number of Iraqis slaughtered In America's War on Iraq --
At Least 665,000 + +
- Number of U.S. Military Personnel sacrificed (officially
acknowledged) In America's War On Iraq 3,555
- Cost of America's War in Iraq -- $437,120,593,333
+++ GVRD LIVABILITY -- Planning,
Alternatives
[A Fraser Institute luncheon wish I'd attended
June 20; don't know why the legislature called
parliament]
SPEAKER: Randal O'Toole, an
economist with more than thirty years of experience studying
government agencies and environmental issues, including public lands,
forests, wildlife, urban growth, and transportation.
In 1998, Yale University named him its McCluskey Conservation Fellow.
In 1999 and 2001, he served as the Scaife Visiting Scholar at the
University of California at Berkeley. In 2000, he was the Merrill
Visiting Professor at Utah State University. He is currently a Senior
Fellow at the Cato Institute and director of the American Dream
Coalition.
CHALLENGE: In the name of
"livability", the Greater Vancouver Regional District has
imposed the latest planning fads -- including compact development and
light rail -- on the district's residents. The total annual cost of
this plan, as measured by the cost of congestion and the unnecessary
inflation of housing costs, is at least $5 billion a year or nearly
$2,300 for every resident. The plan has produced negligible benefits
-- we have the least affordable housing in Canada, some of the worst
traffic congestion in the region, and we have not significantly
protected open space, reduced pollution, or eliminated greenhouse
gases. The plan has also failed to address numerous concerns specified
by the B.C. Parliament, including housing affordability and
maintaining the unique character of communities.
Is the problem of a more
fundamental nature? Is planning simply the wrong way to deal with
Vancouver's growing pains? This presentation will outline the
alternatives to planning, such as replacing the GVRD with
mission-specific agencies that each focus on only one problem or
issue, funding those agencies out of user fees rather than taxes, and
replacing city planning departments with agencies that focus on using
incentives to reduce the impacts of urban life.
+++ AND NOW FOR SOMETHING COMPLETELY DIFFERENT...
WORM CHARMING
CHAMPIONSHIPS
This is just too funny. Trust the Brits. To my
astonishment a video clip on the Worm Charming Championship in
Cheshire came on the BBC TV news Saturday June 30. I just had to
google. (There's also worm grunting and worm fiddling.) It's
true. It's serious. And they're preparing for the
Olympics! Here's one bit of info:
>
World Worm Charming Competition
The International Federation of
Charming Worms and Allied Pastimes (IFCWAP) has held the World
Worm Charming Competition at Willaston County Primary School,
Willaston, Nantwich, Cheshire since 1980.
Their website includes
pictures and results from this year's championship along with a Roll
of Honour for the past 27 years.
*** If
you're still interested, I googled:
> The World Worm Charming
Championships
The World Worm Charming Championships
held annually at Willaston, near Nantwich, Cheshire. Details, Rules
and previous winners.
www.wormcharming.com/ - 2k -
Cached - Similar pages
> International Worm
Charming Festival, an event in May - Devon.
International Worm Charming Festival, a
May event in Devon.
www.information-britain.co.uk/listevent.php?id=1063 - 37k
- Cached - Similar pages
> icCheshireOnline - They've all caught
worms!
It could only be the Willaston Worm
Charming competition, of course! ... The competition, which
is the unofficial worm charming world championships,
...
iccheshireonline.icnetwork.co.uk/0300whatson/
0800events/tm_objectid=14411756&method=full&siteid=5... - 66k
- Cached - Similar pages
> Worm charming - Wikipedia, the
free encyclopedia
Worm charming, worm grunting,
and worm fiddling are methods of attracting worms from the
ground. The activity is usually performed to collect bait for
...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worm_charming - 25k
- Cached - Similar pages
>>> Worm
Charming: Carnival - 7 July 2007 - Favourite Adverts -
St ...
2012 - Worm Charming Olympics So far
the entries from our villages have failed to come close to matching
the world record of 511 worms in half an hour. ...
www.stmarysvillagecarnival.com/
carnival-2007/worm-charming.asp - 12k - Cached
- Similar pages
=== CALENDAR to July 11th
=== [M Hall unless otherwise noted; ongoing at
end]
REMEMBER the Farmers' Markets:
Saturdays in Dundarave Village 10am - 4pm; Ambleside (14th and
Bellevue) 11am - 3pm
WM Library, however is CLOSED on Sundays in July and
August.
== Sun, July 1st == :-)
== CANADA DAY CELEBRATIONS == noon to 4pm Ambleside
Park
== CANADA DAY FIREWORKS == 10:30 - 11pm along WV
Waterfront
== Tues, July 3rd
~ 4:30pm ~ F&A (among items on the agenda is unutilized M
prop and the proposed Public Amenity Policy)
== Wed, July 4th -- Property Taxes due! :-(
~ 8am ~ Ambleside Town Ctr Strategy WG: Ch/Commerce
Boardroom -- Pls attend, be informed.
~ 6:30pm ~ Footprints of Our Ancestors at the WV
Museum
Guest Speaker: Aaron Nelson-Moody
Tawx'sin
Yexwulla/Poolxtun
What elements make up of Coast Salish art?
Squamish artist Aaron Nelson-Moody has conducted an in depth
study of historical Coast Salish pieces in museum collections around
the world. He will share what he learned and talk about culturally
distinctive flat designs and carving techniques.
Aaron Nelson-Moody (Tawx'sin Yexwulla/Poolxtun) has worked with
community groups and students, sharing traditional teachings in
Canada, Japan, and Scotland. Recently, Aaron carved the entrance doors
for Canada House pavilion, located in Torino, Italy for the 2006
Olympic Games. Aaron is a devoted artist, wood-carver and
jewellery-maker, singer, drummer, and storyteller.
== Sat, July 7th -- NSMBA Triple Crown -- All Day, North
Shore Trails
== Wed, July 11th
~ 10am ~ CEC mtg [well, the name says "Engagement",
I'm working on making it open so the Cmnty actually CAN be
engaged!]
~ 6pm ~ Cmnty Ctr Governance WG at Srs' Ctr
+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY
+++
+ July 1 - 31st + GALLERY AT THE LIBRARY
==
"TEXTURE"
Works by Jens
Diercks and Katherine Freund-Hainsworth
This month the West
Vancouver Memorial Library is proud to exhibit the works of two
artists with very different, but equally compelling, methods of
conveying depth. Katherine Freund-Hainsworth uses layers upon layers
of historical documents and photographs to communicate details of the
past while Jens Diercks has a unique way of creating sculpture that
literally pops off the wall.
Opening Reception FRIDAY
July 6th 6:30 - 8pm
Reception hosted by the Friends of
the Library. Everyone is welcome.
+++ WV ARTS COUNCIL
+++ visit www.silkpurse.ca for events (most ticketed)
EXHIBIT: "OUT OF AFRICA" from
June 19 to July 1st
The continent of Africa has many countries,
and among them the Republic of South Africa alone is five times bigger
than Great Britain. Africa is home to many diverse cultures. From the
north to the south, from the west to the east, you can find all kinds
of landscapes, some with luxuriant vegetation as well as semi-desert
ones, and from mountainous landscapes to superb beaches. Visit the
Silk Purse for an exhibition of landscapes and portraits on an African
theme with various artists from the Lower Mainland.
+++ WV MUSEUM
++ Traditional Music and Dance of Scotland
The West Vancouver Museum was originally built by Gertrude
Lawson, who hosted countless nights of Scottish dancing in her house.
The main floor, made of oak, was designed to be large enough for two
sets of Scottish dancers. There was a raised platform at one end for
Scottish bag pipers. Learn the ancient art of Scottish Country
Dancing at the historic Gertrude Lawson House this summer!
You are invited to join for an informative demonstration of
Scottish Country Dancing. May Loudon (experienced Scottish Country
Dance teacher) and Angus MacKinnon (Scottish fiddler) will discuss the
cultural significance of Scottish dance and fiddle music.
Each session (7:30pm) will focus on a particular theme:
July
11 = 17th century dances
July 25
= Old dances still popular today
August
8 = 20th century revival
August
22 = Contemporary Scottish dances
Admission to these sessions is by donation. Please call at 925
7295 to book your spot in advance.
---> For events at KMC, see
www.kaymeekcentre.com
=== CCL NOTES June 25th
===
PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING MONDAY,
JUNE 25, 2007 7:00 PM
(The Council Meeting will commence immediately following the
Public Hearing/Public Meeting.)
1. CALL TO
ORDER
Cclr Sop withdraws b/c conflict of interest wrt Collingwood (his
grandson goes to Collingwood, perhaps another one will go as well as
his eight-year-old son may).
2. PUBLIC
HEARING
ZONING BYLAW NO. 2200, 1968, AMENDMENT BYLAW NO. 4517,
2007 (re Collingwood School - Wentworth Campus)
3. PUBLIC
MEETING -- DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION
NO. 06?034
(re Collingwood School - Wentworth Campus)
(File: 1010?20?06?034)
The Manager of Community Planning will describe
the subject application:
Applicant: Platinum
Projects
Affected Lands: 2605 Wentworth
Avenue, 2560 Wentworth Avenue, 2510 Wentworth Avenue, 2480 Wentworth
Avenue and two unaddressed properties north of Wentworth
Avenue.
Purpose: To expand the existing
elementary school by constructing (a) a new separate school building
for grades 6-8 connected by covered walkway to the existing facility;
(b) two new gymnasiums; (c) a cafeteria; (d) expanded on-site parking
and traffic circulation facilities; and (e) a new warm-up field and
artificial field.
Proposed Zoning Bylaw Amendment: To
consolidate and rezone lands from PA?1 (Public Assembly) and RS?7
(Single Family) to a new Community Use Zone
(CU?11).
Proposed Development Permit Application:
To regulate and impose conditions to protect the natural environment,
its ecosystems and biological diversity and to protect development
from hazardous conditions.
On June 04, 2007 Council set the date for
the Public Hearing and Public Meeting. On June 08, 2007,
375 Notices were mailed to owners/occupiers within 100 metres of the
subject site. The statutory notice of Public Hearing and Public
Meeting was published in the North Shore News on June 17 and
June 20, 2007.
4. PUBLIC
HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING PROCEDURE [Mayor Goldsmith-Jones
describes]
5.
REPORTS/CORRESPONDENCE The following information is
provided:
(1) Report dated June 19, 2007
from the Community Planner regarding Further Information: Zoning
Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4517, 2007 and
Development Permit 06?034 for Collingwood School (Wentworth
Campus);
(2) Report dated May 28, 2007 from
the Community Planner regarding Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968,
Amendment Bylaw No. 4517, 2007 and Development Permit 06?034 for
Collingwood School (Wentworth Campus);
(3) Report dated March 27, 2007
from the Community Planner regarding Rezoning and Development Permit
Application 06-034 (Collingwood School Wentworth Campus) Application
Status; and
(4) Report dated July 10, 2006
from the Community Planner regarding Rezoning and Development Permit
Application 06?034 (Collingwood School Wentworth Campus).
Correspondence Received to date.
6.
APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION -- The applicant will be provided
an opportunity to make a presentation.
Geri Boyle (Planning staff): expansion of site to 17.5
acres; changing zoning from sgl-fam to accommodate school and new
school Grades 6 to 8, separate bldg, two gymnasiums, cafeteria, field
and artificial turf field
traffic; willingness to enter into a Good Nbr Pledge
requires closure and purchase of road from M; clearing
bldg requires variance for ht and for the retaining wall
alongside the artificial turf field
the model has gone missing, not this one, but will have an
overhead plan.
[Mayor explains conditions for speaking; MClerk lists notices,
reports, submissions to date]
Platinum (applicant): My name is Hart Gunjan (sp???),
representing Collingwood School. We did have a model and for
some strange reason it did not get here.
Slide of plan of Collingwood Middle School (Wentworth Campus)
[points and explains] about17 acre site; consists of five parcels; b/c
of slope, an inground cafeteria; proposing a warm-up field plus an
artificial turf field; parking as far away as we can, close to
creek
30m setback from top of bank
to alleviate traffic concerns, have created circular interior
drive, one-way, two lanes (one for dropoff, one for through);
mitigates current traffic problems on Chairlift and Wentworth; created
a drive aisle; traffic consultants
dropped 6ft from Wentworth location; lowering field to make
sloped site flat, but have to take more out, advantageous to keep as
fill on the site (artificial turf field, retaining wall
alongside)
ht variance -- 2 inches lower than other school (peak of
roof)
green solns, green roof, bioswales in parking lot to control
runoff and type of runoff
largest constraint is the slopes, trying to balance cuts and
fills; least impact on adjacent lands
Mayor: any questions, mbrs of Ccl?
[None]
7. PUBLIC
INPUT
>> Lynn LeFleuve (sp?): map got on Friday wasn't clear
dropoff/circulation; not clear one-way
still many concerns, still a problem
everyone has to go round the roundabout, formerly fire lane,
doubt ev will conform to that; simpler do what they currently do; wd
be ignored b/c watched and almost all dropped off individually,
usually in SUVs; many hundreds of chn, more Chairlift impact; and on
26th
just b/c they say they're going to be on buses -- isn't
happening
did talk to planner; new internal road not deemed to be safe or
not approp for parking
I think nothing more inapprop than parking on Chairlift
if brand new nice flat road, surely you cd put at least one lane
of parallel parking -- and have parking on the road; doesn't look as
if enough parking; not going to walk chn up; too far so much easier to
be on Chairlift
they have a big bldg envelope
we had always hoped that 25th cd be put through some day; told
repeatedly it was too steep -- wd be a really nice option
amt school is paying for public roads has not been disclosed
yet, wondering what current market value is
while watching last week's ccl mtg, got sinking feeling this
seen as soln to Morven; hope more creative solns can be found and not
moving those problems to our nbrhd
note in the documentation by 2015 more than 800 students and
100 staff anticipated
{how did this get to 2015? thought told finished by 2010 so
then Collingwood/Morven wd revert to compliance with the conditions of
their special zoning.}
nbr says plan looks suspiciously like a highschool; the former
first choice of making this the HSchool does not reserve and a switch
effected, that's what they were looking for
Mayor: proposal that it will become a Middle School
Ans: worried about the future
[MODEL for proposed school arrives and is set up]
>> Kim Johnson: never spoken before Ccl before so let me
know If I go beyond, will try to beat bell
comments wrt Apr 24th, May 28th report
wish to express my appreciation for Jim
good start, but not great, not good enough
TRAFFIC report May 28 says Traffic Mgr has reviewed plans and
advises will significantly improve the existing traffic condition --
NO -- another bland comment, nice man, but....
at mtg said all schools have this problem
I followed up by submitting study of three schools in Vancouver
to Jim
shd show trauma of kids hit by trucks and cars -- Lynn's v polite
but we've all seen near-misses; we need to see one hit, one. I
had to take my child, a crying child to Chn's hospital
just got back from Beijing, jumped up on literature, and there's
a WG, for Rodgers Crk, where a guy by the name of Tony McCallum (sp?)
of Mulgrave sent a letter where he actually blasted the WG saying,
"how cd you possibly put a tunnel for road access if we need more
space?"
Now here's a fellow who probably wants to expand his campus and
he's biting the hand of the ppl who will feed him.
I want to know why the headmaster of Collingwood who I found out
lives in the worst part of road has done nothing, has avoided us -- go
for walk
not good enough; get all chn safely on to Wentworth campus
says traffic/road permit has to be approved
on 30th I also wrote to Geri Boyle and Jim Bailey:
- to present a nbrhd policy/plan similar to St George's, York,
and Crofton House
- to create the position of a nbrd relations mgr
- to facilitate a nbrhd cmte open to all nbrs and all mbrs of
Collingwood
know a lot of families go to Collingwood, great friends of ours,
and they don't want to see kids get hit
comprehensive traffic plan; a good-nbr pledge -- fifth strand,
four on their website
not just speaking of another 280+, nor influx
workers/construction, not senior students travelling to the
fields
we're talking about 815 students, 125 faculty, 940 sgl-driver
SUVs, plus the extra cars for the senior citizens that will be showing
up in 2014
{here's this 2014 figure again (was 2015 above) -- what
happened to completion by 2010???}
while away, my wife had the solution -- in the footprint
.... to consolidate all of the properties; suggest a ring road at
the entrance to the site, near Marr Crk; second entrance and one
xxx
similar to Stanley Park Drive; gated, circumnavigates; that park
lane only opened up in morning and evening; remainder gated
primary purpose to get traffic on Collingwood prop
safety of chn but cd be a cross-country track for school; family
walks, cycling, inline skating, section for street hockey, many
seniors in area, cd walk; add into cycling program up to....
Mayor: we can invite you back
KJ: I understand
JC: can you trace on the drawing on the screen?
[He points it out, ring road, connection, explains it, calls it
park]
>> Carolanne Reynolds: Editor of West Van Matters, Ste
300, 1497 Marine Drive
Life is rarely simple and this is a complicated issue.
I support the concept of private schools -- there are good and
bad private and public schools. When Collingwood proposed
replacing the school for 450 [in Glenmore] with one for 750, naturally
the nbrhd was apprehensive. Cclr Day and I were on Ccl then and
the compromise was 600 with parking space requirements as well as
provision of a shuttle bus to lessen the impact.
Assurances were given that the conditions included in giving the
special upzoning wd be abided by -- besides it was the law.
Now we have assurances -- note I heard no legal requirement or
repercussions -- that Collingwood will abide by its commitment, given
in 1989, by 2010, three years from now, IF the Wentworth campus
is finished.
We have conditions for this application -- how can we be sure
all the requirements for Wentworth will be adhered to?
Has Ccl specified enforcement or penalties if conditions
broken?
Are they sufficient?
We learned last week that even a fine of $1K or $100K is not a
deterrent. The document required signed by the Ministry
confirming compliance released funds of over a million
dollars.
While WV operates on enforcing bylaws only 'by complaint',
surely this does not apply in the case of signing confirmation of
compliance to the provincial govt and behooves the District to verify
compliance, ie no reliance on complaint [to sign document, confirming
compliance with all Municipal bylaws].
Besides, one resident told me that the fact the enrolment
was in excess of 600 was given to staff in 2004 or earlier by letter
of complaint to staff.
So apparently complaint doesn't work either.
While cognizant of some mitigation, it is hardly a compromise
to allow the school to be in breach of its conditions of zoning for an
additional three years in any case planned all along for
Wentworth.
This is v disappointing for me, having supported the school's
establishment while on Ccl and spending $3-4K at an initial
fundraising auction in support.
No one influences my vote. I have always acted in what I
feel is objective, fair, and an enhancement. The warning that
powerful ppl were involved did not move me; [it was said Glenmore
residents wd not be sending their children there -- ] and we see that
despicable attitude on the part of some continue as they ignore a
nbrhd that they don't live in, and students egg the cars of residents
they think have complained.
They shd be offering to mow their lawns for free to make up for
the disruption!
The zoning enrolment limitation to 600 has been blatantly ignored
-- evidently with little or no fear of consequences -- and little use
made of the shuttle buses.
The headmaster and a mbr of the board said they were unaware of
the 600 limitation. When did they find out?
Why did their sense of honour not move them to comply as soon as
they found out, or rather the September of the coming year (b/c no one
wd want to disrupt the year of education)?
There are spaces in schools in NV, and Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr is
available, has space.
Mayor: Cd I ask you to comment on the Wentworth, although I
understand they are related?
CR continues: Does it not require a public hearing in effect for
Ccl to change a bylaw or zoning provision even for one year, let alone
three?
Why not at least decrease by one grade till
compliance?
Why give approval to Wentworth when not in compliance for
Morven?
Some got the impression that Collingwood was not prepared to
decrease if they didn't get approval for Wentworth. This is
unfortunate.
You have said getting Morven to compliance depended on
Wentworth. Why not Wentworth [approval] dependent upon abiding
by the law at Morven?
The neighbours were even 'warned' when Wentworth is built the
Morven campus wd no longer be a combined school so cd be a high school
with no limit, ie cd go to 900, this is not true and is outrageous.
The pressure was unconscionable -- and it's no wonder there's some
discontent in the nbrhd.
We all want to be proud of our schools in WV; each one offers
something special. Any pretence of superiority by a body that
breaks the law and once caught just plans to continue doing so for the
next three years is, to say the least, a disappointment.
What wd happen if when the policeman stopped me for speeding
at 100+Kmph, I said I'd slow down when I got to my destination?
Wd he let me continue speeding till I got there?
Please understand my remarks are not meant in any way to diminish
the good intentions and efforts of you, Madam Mayor, or of the
negotiations facilitated by staff, and the goodwill with improved
cooperation and consideration of the residents we have now -- but it
shd not have come to this.
Please ensure that the conditions, environmental as well as
access/traffic etc, are monitored with compliance as a prerequisite
for special zoning and penalties that discourage infractions. In
view of the breaches we've heard lately re the noise bylaw and
blasting bylaws, etc, it may be time to review WV's practices
thoroughly.
And I remain astonished the District wd sign any provincial legal
document confirming compliance, involving millions of dollars, without
verifying or being obliged to. It's incredible. The lines
of responsibility and accountability must be made clear -- if West
Van's bylaws are to be taken seriously.
Thank you.
[applause]
>> Jack Shepherd: the solution -- cut back!
at Morven, no expansion wd be necessary
I'm representing homes here; real problem with runoff, think it
will be life-threatening
look at slope, considerable
two years ago we had to put additional drainage in our back
yard and seepage not over wall, coming under
seeps in and still; not going to get better; that retaining
wall wd hv to be v high
noise pollution
we didn't build house to have a field built above your
house
if [that of] any of the ccl mbrs or the mayor -- you wd have
concerns
I'm 100% against the project even though my son goes to
Collingwood
[applause]
>> Ron LeTroy: live Chairlift Rd; concerns, when we
bought, no designation of this school, looked at zoning of props
around it, said RS1 zoning; two-lane road, there's no way of
driving around that property from 8 to 9 in morning, and 2 to 3:30 in
the afternoon on any given school day; in evenings, Parent-Teacher
deals, parking on street any way, every way, on sidewalks
no concerns for anyone else getting in or out of that
subdivision
too much traffic for this proposed new school, needs to be
relocated need other place
no problem educating chn; must make better; Chairlift and Skilift
a disaster; have to go down street and it's like Park Royal just
before Christmas
[applause]
Mayor: don't have anyone else....
>> Dean Mailey: Chelsea Close; lot have been addressed
already
these traffic issues are v real; safety issues real
came home 2:30 in afternoon and impossible to drive up Chairlift
road and right up to school
how can emergency vehicles possibly get in or out when choked two
and a half hours a day
high degree of construction with Taylor Outlook devt in full
buildout now
urge you some sort of truck mgmt or policy so at least 50% routed
over top of the hill so Chairlift not taking 100% of the truck
traffic
Public Relations: when BPP undertook devt at Taylor's Outlook,
did ev right, understanding nbrhd, PR rep was knocking on my door
Saturday morning wanting to explain devt
Collingwood has never made outreach, made resident relation
issues handled v badly; never info mtg so they cd hear our concerns,
frustrations b/c of school
>> Sherry Bahri: confirming what my nbr Mr Shepherd
said
concerned about sport field behind my house
expect dbl, triple, at 8:30am going to work have to wait at
Chairlift road 20, 25 minutes until someone gives me way
100% against this expansion
>> Peter Joyce: principal with Bunt Assns, for
Collingwood
had opp to meet with a number of the nbrs at sev mtgs held in
indiv homes and at school itself
we've bn up there and documented the traffic
parking, parents turning around on Chairlift road
problematic
we believe we're bringing a fix
problem is that it doesn't have space
only 46 parking spaces on the site and this proposal increases
it to 160
on-site queueing -- for 45 cars, and have that number again on
Chairlift
parents choosing not to get caught up thinking can avoid by
staying off site
school kids directing traffic
more likely to get middle school kids to use bus; think more will
be riding by bus
opening of the Chippendale Connector-- over 50% comes from Brit
Prop to east
they can then come from there and exit there as well
Traffic mgmt plans for others, our firm did that for York and
Crofton; willing to do that for Collingwood
>> Michael Noble (sp?): purchased home at 2536 Marr Crk
Court exactly at entrance. We bought that home overlooking a
field with no knowledge of devt. Asked questions about school
about it today. To find out today will be increased by several
hundred students and to find about that many more cars passing by
every day -- totally opposite of what we expected
Expansion of school is at expense of ppl in that nbrhd
>> Eileen Fubakdi (sp?): 22 Chairlift Road [that's my
property there -- pointing]
Chairlift road narrow and steep, noise comes right up; v
unpleasant
suffering
is there anyone who wd give fair market value for this
prop?
Collingwood?
huge devaluation of my prop and all on Chairlift Rd
I have chn and I say they have to be out by half past 7
none of the devprs have offered to buy my prop
if they bought these props [pointing] they cd buy
I wd like to be on record have not seen this plan and shd be
sent to all these nbrs.
>> Eleanor Maish: from Collingwood Sch Bd
wrt parking, this area is where kindergarten parents like to drop
off chn and walk them in to school
someone mentioned hischool, at one time we looked into this at
one point; was cost prohibitive
Bunt has been employed to do the traffic
want to develop a nbrhd pledge
want to assure ppl here that's Collingwood's commitment
Mayor: helps if you sign
>> Ken Porter: resident in the area for 15 years, seen a
lot of changes
four years working on it
still stuck with it; led to believe it wd be done
knowing stories of Morven campus, great difficulties
no mtg with residents, no easing of traffic, same problem as
four years ago -- solve problems of four years ago before
this
have to solve old problems
learn from history or same failures
>> Rick Malkin: 2295 Chairlift Rd and have for many years.
In fact when we moved there Chairlift Rd was called 26th; seen a lot
of growth and changes
I live here [pointing]; and traffic is the big questions
traffic generated by the first, the existing, school
it far exceeded what we anticipated when we gave passing
[agreement?] to this
the traffic in front of our place often obstructs our ability to
go out on the road; we have a lot of parking and ppl sometimes park in
our driveway
our concern is expansion, more schools, things have changed; we
used to bicycle to school, three or four miles, now they all need
SUVs
given a description how loop will reduce the traffic and I don't
see how it will here [pointing]
won't reduce number of cars in that area; if school expanded,
number of cars will increase
don't see an answer
well, I do; the answer is that you don't have large schools
hurting a cmnty
we're just talking about cars but having tremendous number of
children in one area
another problem is drainage: there were four streams across this
property that were blocked off and directed into drains
fear for the ppl down here, it will drain down here
[pointing]
traffic know answers thoroughly before going ahead and we have
not heard answers this evening.
Mayor: using microphone helps TV, ppl at back of room, and
>> Maurice LaFleur: Chelsea Close. I oppose this
devt.
magnitude too great, has to be put in context
Ccl is contemplating developing 200+ acres up above, more
traffic; don't understand how BPP can contemplate their billion-dollar
enterprise -- down Chairlift
watched TV Ccl mtg last week and pretty disappointed -- pretty
well gave approval [for Wentworth so C'wood complies 2010?]
The Planning Dept seems to have developed [special] zoning for
C'Wood
skewed; this proposal, seven or eight years after, wd hv been
good at that time
C'wood wdn't
skeptical these will be heard, surprised if they wd
back, take a bit of time
>> Connie Letroye: when we bought knew school was
there
where we bought, quiet little cul de sac; no one wd know; we're
still building it
get out of it now
ppl come down that road at 80mph, not Kmph, it's now a
thoroughfare
come from Chippendale, down Chairlift, a wide large road ppl
speed up and down
with expansion of the school at least 150 more cars coming
down
have letters from nbrs upset who cdn't come
this circle won't help 21st, might help some of the congestion
for a while
will probably turn into a hi school -- when we bought and
others, no one had any idea it wd expand; not going to be good for
cmnty
a nbr called in and was told foregone conclusion
contractor said we cd come in and complain but the school was
going ahead
I'm going to be lobbying for speedbumps on Chairlift
already spoken to Police and nbrs; they're appalled
buying on a quiet cul de sac and now ....
and now Chippendale, Oh my goodness
this is a money-making school, not provincial, why shoved into
our cmnty?
usually subdivisions planned around school; not school plunked
in
Mayor: looping through who've already spoken
> Kim Johnson: do I ever feel taken for granted
you did traffic for York? Collingwood
ppl, we're pretty docile, quiet
I have a two and a half year old now and can't walk him any
more
Bunt's got to do a better job
went to a couple of mtgs, but at Collingwood; this is the first
time we can talk about our concerns -- so shd have a nbrhd cmte
...... 2014 then 825 students
{Again -- where are they getting 2014 from? what
happened to 2010???}
this was a great plan for six, seven, years ago
if you can't come up with plan for 825 cars then some
construction, you gotta tell 'em no
keep it zoned for residential low density
> Chuck Shepherd: want to revisit retaining wall above
us
with the changing weather patterns, no one knows what to
design for really
when you look at that massive wall that's going to go above
us, ev one of you have to think that's life-threatening, take that
into account pls.
>> Man (representing C'wood's interests): we did a
mailout, 350m at request of city
was a public info mtg; did listen to their concerns; largest
issue traffic
since 2003 been trying to create a middle school there and not
been able to do it
the traffic prob will be there, has been there
plans in last four years, this really does address traffic
issue facing today
Audience: no
Mayor: debate will come when Ccl debates
Man: do intend a Gd Nbr Pledge
a Nbrhd Cmte today, start resolving as moving things
forward
as done for York and some other private schools
this is a solution for problem that exists there today
>> Roger Wright: live at 2606 Wentworth, I'm headmaster
and live here [points] and support
not going to rehash traffic in building this up
echo pledge on behalf of school; establish nbrhd cmte, have some
experience with this
had a nbrhd mtg, sparsely attended, perhaps didn't advertise
widely enough
want to take that on and talk with our nbrs
make sure we are good nbrs; a nbrhd cmte
JC: you live there, you own that or owned by school?
RW: owned by school
[laughter]
>> Lady: no devt sign up; it was my nbr who told me
called City Hall and spoke to someone named Jim and he said there
was a sign there; said we told them a couple of times
well one just went in a couple of days ago
so just how ......
why doesn't the school have to? we have to when we do
Mayor: Ms Boyle, why not there?
GB: have to check
Lady: just went up; why not rezoning sign [before]?
if they're such good nbrs, look at the landscaping there -- old
buddleia, been there for years, is this the best they can do?
First Lady: it doesn't really matter about the traffic plan,
circulation is whatever it is; Skilift and Chairlift just cannot
handle that amount of traffic
they say 25th can't come through
we had mtgs a couple of years ago, another type of improvement;
never a rep from the school, they had facilitators, not from school
just ppl who worked for therm
JF: have some questions about the numbers at the school
had proposed a diff bylaw at Morven for numbers down, any listing
for this school?
might address some of the concerns
GB: the proposed is a zone specific to it
elementary school, daycare, kindergarten.......
the zone does not include high school, allows up to Grade
Eight
JF: number?
GB: not exceed 850
JF: re artificial turf, lights planned?
GB: draft does not include approval for lights; applicant wd hv
to come back
Mayor: close or ask for staff report?
VV: wd move we have a further report
hear experts saying traffic saying being provided for but hear
what public is saying
if too difficult now, does nothing to solve that problem so I'm
not convinced
if debate with experts, whatever
if we can have a report from staff
Mayor: capacity of roads?
JF: I do, about field, retaining wall, runoff
perhaps a diff or better site for the field? or parking lot?
distancing it from existing homes
buffering from sound and runoff
Mayor: anything else? adjourning PH to?
VV: understand our last ccl mtg is July 23, is that approp?
GB: Brent? 16th or 23rd to answer those questions?
Brent Dozzi: no prob with traffic, but geotechnical issues
Mayor: read motion as printed at bottom of page, No 8
[VV does so]
8. CLOSURE OF
PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING
...THAT Staff report back to Council regarding the June 25,
2007, Public Hearing and Public Meeting re Zoning Bylaw No. 2200,
1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4517, 2007 and Development Permit
Application No. 06?034 (re: Collingwood School -
Wentworth Campus, West Vancouver); and that the Public Hearing and
Public Meeting be adjourned to July 23rd in the Municipal Hall Council
Chamber.
July 23rd
SSch: 7pm
MS: think it's a bit vague to say report back
think we shd be more specific
why geotech studies -- when approved assumed approval from
engineers
why have staff charging out on non-existent walls
seems to me traffic, egress ramp from highway, shd confine staff
report to major concerns wch is traffic
ask Police, same question I asked when I went to Morven, why
streets blocked for 40 minutes and no one can get through, where were
police?
Mayor: each mbr has right to
CAO: likely the enquiry we'd make was with consultant to see if
adequate
don't think a significant task; depends how broad
Mayor: haven't articulated that in motion
enough direction; in a couple of weeks
address issues raised tonight
Mayor: you're invited back July 23
8:35
>>>>>>> REGULAR
COUNCIL AGENDA
<<<<<<<<<<<
CALL TO ORDER
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES -- June 11
Mayor: WVPD will be participating in annual Torch Run for Special
Olympics Run on Wednesday starting at White Spot at 2 o'clock; if you
see them jogging by honk your horn and support them; they raise about
$15K for the Special Olympics.
REPORTS
3. Annual
Report 2006 and Budget Bylaws (File:
0907?01/0300?01)
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council receive the printed Annual Report
for the year ended December 31, 2006, and
RECOMMENDED: THAT "2006 Annual Budget Amendment Bylaw No. 4512,
2007", THAT "Endowment Reserve Fund Expenditure Bylaw No. 4513,
2007", THAT "Youth Activity Reserve Fund Expenditure Bylaw No.
4514, 2007" ... be introduced and read a first, second, and third
time.
>>> Deputy Dir of Finance, Barbara Wood: there are
copies at the side; introductory section on services delivered;
challenges faced; commitment to improving reporting of finances in the
District
2006 report expanded section on performance mgmt, performance
indicators on p34
pride Ccl and staff take in providing services to cmnty
annual requirement of Cmnty Charter to publish the audited
consolidated financial statements and
Auditors' Report (p47)
third is statistical section and five-year financial trend
information
2006 year-end results in round numbers: consolidated basis, net
revenues $147K and accumulated surplus of $5.1M
general fund ended the year with net revenues or $146K and an
accumulated surplus of $3.5M
the water utility fund ended the year with net revenues of $70K,
and an accumulated surplus of $1.3M
and finally the sewer utility fund ended with net expenditures of
$70K and an acc surplus of $300K
it is our intention to continually improve the quality of our
reporting
been awarded Cdn award for financial reporting, you'll find on
p2; presented to us by the Govt Finances Assn of the US and Canada for
our 2005 Annual Report
{We wanted to check to make sure we heard the name
correctly, we googled, and it turns out the actual name is the Govt
Finance Officers Assn (GFOA). Under the Cdn arm, 41 govts
submitted their annual financial reports and 35 won
awards.}
award is based on meeting over 150 criteria; it is our first such
award and confident we'll again win this award for the report you have
before you now
Sop: good report; know it's been in front of adv cmte
Sched A, consolidated budget; revenues and expenditures, top
line, general taxation $45.9M, and operating $52M; know other
variables in there
in ability to tax, we are overspending in relationship to general
taxation
Mayor: our CAO comment on that?
CAO: the general direction Ccl wants us to go is less reliance on
taxation
Sop: not holding to that
general operating is $7M higher; I'll leave that with you
secondly, in transfer of monies, Transit; pretty close -- $9.7M
out and in
for sewer -- $5.3M out and $5.6M in
then we come to water, GVRD about $4M and we're bringing in
$6.2M
$2M is that work we're doing up on Eagle Lake?
BW: we don't have Richard Laing to comment on that tonight but
believe exactly what's going on there, have to build up those
reserves
CAO: the expenditure for the utilities will reflect both
operating and capital, and that's why you'll have a bit of a
difference
Sop: two things pop out, golf and cemetery revenue higher than
expense
when we entertain future, Golf cd be on own, and monies not go
into general
what other cases can we make?
CAO: wrt Golf, trying to create a separate biz unit; against
capital, building infrastructure
all operate under deptal biz line, and as Cclr Sop, cd be under
separate...
Sop: what we saw in FTSF; wrt Endowment Fund
CAO: can't provide off top of my head
Sop:... shd know where came from
CAO: if you provide this beforehand we can
Sop: you're providing this
Mayor:... know some time outside
stopped by Mayor of Oak Bay, complimenting Mr Stuart
don't know if in last year; ... benefit
CAO: going to be working with F&A and perhaps put in cmnty
survey, ask cmnty as to what kinds of indicators they wd like to see
us report on on a wide variety of areas
just see this as growing; not only present this info but
various targets, benchmarks, put in context
Mayor: interesting how trends change; for instance, library
program participation way up, circulation of books down, so what else
is happening at the library, fascinating to see how society
behaves...
8:46 ALL MOTIONS READ AND PASSED
4.
Evelyn Drive - Opportunity for Public Comment on the Proposed Master
Plan
RECOMMENDED:
THAT the report dated June 18, 2007 from the Manager of Community
Planning be received.
GB: to place in process of review; received master plan May 25th
after review in April by staff and design cmte; staff have an ongoing
review, and will be reviewed by Design Review cmte on Wednesday -- was
5pm; changed starts at 4:30pm
{but the DWV Calendar says 4pm!}
Plan was on display at Park Royal
Today's mtg is an opp for public to comment directly to Ccl
in July will come
Fulvio Verdicchio: attended the sessions in Pk Royal; good
scenario, come a long way
the stakeholders are the ppl who are going to live around Ev Dr;
have to look at Keith Rd
don't think the dvprs want to do much with Keith Rd -- got to
look at undergrounding, speedbumps, revitalize landscaping
Blair Baillie: you've heard from me before
place will be forever remembered or regretted; remembered
benevolently
viewed at Pk Royal; although viewed in 2005 -- transportation a
veritable carrefour -- will not fulfil that objective as well as hoped
for. In view of all that has taken place since, Spaxman Report,
etc, what you've come up with is commendable
appears about 51Ksf for part, about the same calculated in 2005;
comes out at 0.75 what most ppl on Spaxman Cmte felt feasible
I am hopeful, this plan wch is a concept, will take into
consideration the opp for a unique and handsome result
typical of what Arthur Erickson likes to do -- he had a
fascination with the Hanging Gardens of Babylon, not that he'd been
there
hope the terraces themselves, as stairs, will be varied and form
will be interspersed
different acreages, guess not all land there cd be consolidated;
ev effort to take advantage of this
Mayor: no one else?
MOTION
when return to Ccl?
GB: reasonably confident 16th or 23rd
5. West
Vancouver Cycling Network and Greenway Plan (File:
1785?19)
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council give its approval to the WV
Cycling Network and Greenway Plan by Urban Systems Ltd.
Brent Dozzi (staff): our consultant, before formally; thx to
various, etc, help to nail down routes
two working group mtgs before Xmas, broader after and followup
after process
Richard O'Doul (sp?): worked on Galloping Goose in Victoria
...presented parts of this earlier
want to get more ppl cycling; doing it more safely
target markets: recreation, transportation (work, school,
shopping, entertainment), non-cyclists, casual cyclists, committed
cyclists
Consultation: stakeholder workshops, ccl workshop , public open
house, mtg with CNR
= Elements of the Plan:
- Spirit Trail Greenway (spine of the network, continuous route
bridge ferry terminal NV to HBay, avoids steep grades, low to no
traffic)
- Bicycle routes (TransCanada Trail, Marine Dr, other
routes)
- Crossings at major Roads
- Regional connections
[Map on slide, green line]
City of Kelowna has blazed a trail
= Priority Improvements
cd take 20 years so
o Spirit Trail Greenway (Amb and Dund, HBay to Eagleridge,
Rlwy ROW)
o Localized improvements, eliminate
barriers/obstacles
target money best bang for buck then fill in later
Cost Estimates -- $10M, shd get at least half of it
= Pk Royal to 31st = $2M
=31st St to Piccadilly N = $2.4M
= Piccadilly N to BCR Tunnel $1.8M
= BCR Tunnel to HBay $1.6M
localized improvements $1.6M
Funding:
Sop: terrific initiative, hope to Env WG; we'd be committed to
$5M over 20 years?
Ans: you can do it faster
Sop: ppl will use this if they feel safe and we know along MDr it
is not safe
prop, utility, envtal mitigation
you're asking for approval but we don't know how much yet?
another $10M?
Ans: need approval for staff to look at
Sop: know we're going to get extra help but need to have some
certainty in these costs
CAO: chicken and egg; need endorsement in principle to receive
grants; hope don't have to raise half
certainly our hope not $5M; think opp for private
citizens/companies to participate/donate to this
ev year in our capital budget Ccl will have an opp to know wch
projects allocating for
Sop: guess wording right? in principle? ccl, public looking at
it?
Mayor: think we're approving the strategy; then in budget
process
BD: to get $$$, have to prove you have a plan in place approved
by cmnty and Ccl
appreciate comments
offchance one of those circumstances
route on existing roads and pathways
don't expect to encounter those issues
wrt budget, had $375K approved this year, will be matched with
$2M from prov, again on the premise we have a plan in place
beginning of segment Capilano Bridge to Amb Park
Sop: is approval in principle enough?
CAO: just asking if approving plan itself then Ccl can decide
what
JF: approve, intrepid cyclists have grabbed us wanting a route
from here to HBay
opp; b/c being built in sections can apply for grants, private
grants, cyclists re certain routes
when my chn were young real concern is route that's safe and out
of way of traffic
absolutely wonderful, if it takes 20 years so be it, costs will
change in 20 years
how long will first section take, from Pk Royal?
BD: plan is design this year and construction -- Cap Bridge to
19th St this year
JF: support continuation of plan; link up with NV all the way to
Deep Cove
Sop: another crossing over the Cap River?
Ans: a blob there b/c a number of options
if Ministry replaces, existing PkRoyal bridge cd be improved --
at least four different ways
Sop: in the $5M
Ans: yes
Mayor: thank you; you hustled and got it done; Gordon Price said
we were real laggards
tricky here b/c of the terrain; getting so congested
goal of Spirit Cmte; working with Christine Monaghan on our
staff
6.
Hollyburn School Playground Project (File:
2150?29)
RECOMMENDED: THAT approval be given for a cost-sharing
contribution for the playground at Hollyburn School which will be
payable in the 2008 budget year based on matching funding from
2007.
{Dear Readers, Fellow Taxpayers: I have requested that any
motion involving approval of the expenditure of our money at least
have the amount in the motion. Pls ask. I'm not at all
against this contribution but feel strongly residents ought to know
the amount of money being given.}
Tim Johnson: Chair of PAC
feel extension of everybody's backyard, not just a
playground
kids don't have much more than a balcony
Wendy Duke: also excited about changes; v important link in WV
cmnty
Renee Mintak: parent; thank the cmte
JF: noticed that PAC has managed to raise $67K
RM: close to that; shd reach that in 2008
JF: represents a lot of cupcakes!
RM: diverse and fundraising; feat in small amt of time
Sop: congratulate the PAC group
witnessed benefit to nbrhds; new modern playgrounds are safe;
take my own son to these places
says going to raise $167K
RM, correcting: $67K by Jan 2008
Sop: where now?
Ans: $64K
RM: our playground is going to be completely dismantled by
2012
large footprint; service a large cmnty
make sure accessible and inclusive to all chn -- whether disabled
or in senior, in wheelchair
Heather Tak: know is WV's oldest public school
really the backyard -- established nbrhd with 33ft lots and
apts
there regardless of where they live...
my husband attended, too long ago to mention in public...
recognition in our limited ability to raise funds in
timeframe
even though contribution from Ccl will be made in 2008
RD: add my congratulations, raising $64K in short time; we'll
add $35K to that
{at last and at least Cclr Day lets us (and viewers) know
how much money is involved! Thx.}
in 2008 budgetary year, based on fundmatching
VV: wd like to add congratulations
ev time we're simply going to reach in and give out money; just
want to ask question
ev 50, 42, 8 cents to M level of govt
the matter of chn's education, all under prov
the level that only gets 8 cents subsidizes the govt that gets 42
cents
a bit wary of doing that
dealing with Sch Bd; imagine if I were a Hollyburn parent, one
going to enjoy; and another needed daycare; wch is better -- extra
quality of playground equipment? partially redirected helping
negotiate space on sch bd for daycare.... think we have a lot of
issues with the Sch Bd
will go along with this; but another ... with Sch Bd
a little better; better for daycare, more leverage; wd like to
get a little more mileage out of money we spend; hope policy might
change
JC: reluctant to correct Cclr V but this is not dipping into the
taxpayer's pocket; it's putting in
several years ago [committed] to max of $35K a year
two or three over past six maybe seven years
this group has raised two to one dollars over initial
investment
MS: was going to echo what Cclr Clark said
three dollars for every one of ours b/c Sch Bd puts in same
and parents raise half
considering as ppl who have spoken have said, that area is
really, ah cmnty really uses that playground; getting three dollars
for every one so effective job of leveraging
Sop: in NV there's a school that has a playground equipped by a
group
prov govt provides; nbrhd house, run a preschool and
after-school
just an incredible place, get to play on playground in two areas,
on both sides of the school
have to line up with Cclr V, is there anything else we can
do
put pressure on Sch Bd and so when you have your other
child
Mayor: there might be, but stay on
Sop: just commenting on what Cclr V says; let's put our thinking
caps on; I'm supportive
9:31
7. Proposed
Resolution re Homeowner Grant Program for 2007 UBCM Annual
Convention
RECOMMENDED: THAT the following resolution be forwarded to
the Union of British Columbia Municipalities for consideration at the
2007 Annual Convention:
"WHEREAS property values continue to increase at a rapid
rate in the Province of British Columbia;
AND WHEREAS many long-term property owners continue to
suffer loss of the Homeowner Grant due to market forces beyond their
control;
AND WHEREAS there is a general societal benefit to
assisting all property owners in the Province of British Columbia to
be able to afford to live on the properties they have chosen:
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Province be
requested to ensure that Homeowner Grant regulations be made equitable
and applied uniformly across the Province and that the upper limit
assessed value ceiling be removed."
[JF made motion]
Sop: anything else we can do?
CAO: we have written to the Ministry; this is the approp route,
get support from other municipalities; really does only affect three
or four Ms in the prov; see if they'll support us
Sop: report is self-explanatory; look at assessments and grants;
we were assessed higher; higher in assessment
shd be right across the board; why singled out just b/c high that
we don't get same; we're not all wealthy in this cmnty; seniors have
difficulty
why higher, put out to pasture? about time they said we'll bring
you into line
and what about schools? school taxes? what we're
charged and what we get back? that's why PAC groups have to go out and
raise finds, raise close to $100K to put equipment on playgrounds, and
then pay taxes according to the assessments we have
absolutely mindboggling that the prov govt puts this case on WV
and continues to do this
Mayor: certainly when 34% of WV homeowners are eligible for
the full grant we have an affordability issue, may be different [from]
other cmnties; 51% receive no grant at all. We know a lot of
land rich seniors and cash-poor seniors and does make it v difficult
for them to stay
MS: did we receive any response? we sent a strongly worded letter
to our MLAs?
as Sop said; scandalous, any response?
CAO: from MLA Sultan, support and we'd raise it
MS: so forward this letter to MLAs? get off their backside and do
something?
Mayor: that addition
VV: for school $33M, about $2K; my concern about money
obviously I support this initiative, we shd at least have the
HOG
9:37
8. Canada
Day 2007 Fireworks Display - West Vancouver Costs (File:
3015?01)
RECOMMENDED: THAT additional funding be provided from reserves
to a maximum of $14,000 in order to cover predicted police and
clean-up expenses arising from the fireworks display on Canada
Day, July 01, 2007.
Mayor: Mr Clark?
JC: thought Mr Pike wd
$10K in budget directed at cost of consolidated firework plan
but no funds provided for policing and cleanup we've talked
about; this report requests that those costs be covered from
reserves.
JC: about five or six years ago Canada Place traditional host,
show cancelled 2001
seemed to us, went forward two years ago with fireworks off Amb,
and both incident free and under budget
occurred to me if successful in demonstrating our maturity even
with ppl coming in from outside
went forward and formed a society, Burrard Fireworks
for a dual fireworks show; one in harbour in Canada Place and
one off Amb Pier at same time; never done ever in world at same
time
to music AM1320; all of that info going door-to-door
NV will be notified similarly -- NSNews
the whole thrust of this is that ppl can see from decks and
balconies, stay home and have guests over; quite excited if doesn't
rain
Sop: why was the amt omitted from the 2007 budget?
JC: an oversight, confusion during the budget formation and
some of these costs overlap
the cleanup will also carry from cleanup during day
Sop: so this for the day's event?
JC: cleanup can be considered dual, policing to the
fireworks
JF: what happens if this is not passed?
KP: without funding for this, the cost of the police, cleanup,
wd be most likely covered from existing budget and other things wd be
cut
can't expect us to go forward without cleanup and
policing
JF: I ask we have cut
seems that year after year we're always caught offguard by
surprise; and at time it wd be embarrassing to ....
tricked into timing; leaves a bad taste in my mouth
can't see how we can't fund this; then other things wd be cut
back; just a little angry
Sop: Cmnty Days, we all requested Cclr Clark take this on as a
project
all the citizens taking the oath; fireworks been incredible
thought a tremendous surge of ppl, not happening
placement of the barges, don't have to come down, but many do;
I've observed, absolute delight
maybe this issue, have to look at it, maybe a cap on it
integral part, celebrating Canada's birthday; more credit to
him
in future budgets, might hv to be a cap
MS: I think Cclr's F's point
can't keep cutting budgets without realizing that specific things
have to be cut out
bn my observation, this Ccl cutting global dollars out but not
specific
certainly support Canada Day; Cclr F's remarks can't be
ignored
throw myself at Mr Stuart's mercy
anyway we can find these dollars without taking out of
reserves
CAO: comes down to an aggressive..... to cover all our
costs
$10K not enough to cover; may change over time
esp Society involved, know money
Mr Pike is correct; can't cancel, ..... wd hv to look at cutting
services if not other private groups that want to
JC: to my knowledge the DNV have no plans to vote money in for
this purpose
City of Vancouver cover $65K cleanup and associated costs
CNV no plans to call out add'l police
somewhat WV
Society is committed to weaning itself off
like turning a ship; weaning off federal funding, not just
M
corporate funding, and more this year than in past; not intended
to be a surprise
Mayor: that's what I'm not understanding
efforts for non profits; but seems ev year have to put same amt;
at one point when will it fall rather than rise?
JC: this isn't part of Society, WV -- if you don't pass, no
policing, clean up
Mayor:... always last minute; makes difficult for Ccl
CAO: in past made efforts to raise; this year said will allocate
$10K but event has grown
will ensure process in place so early on know
so now $10K is all we have
Mayor: good; hope another one next year
9:51
looking forward to a predictable process next year
JC: as sun at noon on Sunday
9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEM -- Correspondence List
(complete list in prev WVM)
(5) June 11, 2007,
regarding Above Water Pier at West Vancouver Yacht Club
Referred to the Director of Planning, Lands & Permits for
consideration and response.
Sop: received this personally and also letter sent to Mayor and
Ccl; safety concern; residents going back and forth to Eagle Island;
will be attended to, can we have a followup?
Mayor: believe Jim Bailey is working on that; and I have a letter
out to those ppl and letter out to the commodore, Frank Musson
(12) B. Wareham, Director, Marine
Conservation - David Suzuki Foundation, June 12, regarding
Zoned RS-1 (Residential Salmon - 1), Union of BC Municipalities
Resolution
Attachments available for viewing in the Legislative Services
Department.
Sop: take a good look at habitat; Fdn calling for Salmon 1
spoke with Steve Jenkins about that today, and good to go
forward
we're leaders in this area; possibly have this chap come over,
we're way ahead
started many years ago, Coho Festival, fingerlings up to
hatchery..... out of that came Streamkeepers
thought salmon wdn't go into dark areas but we proved them wrong
that salmon wd not go into dark areas, do in Memorial Park
and 15 in Pt Moody, supporting at UBCM
(15) K. Kenney, City Clerk - City of
Port Moody, June 15, 2007, regarding David Suzuki Foundation -
Salmon Habitat Protection Request for UBCM Resolution
Attachments available for viewing in the Legislative Services
Department.
...
JC: move extend [ccl mtg] to close of business
MS: what's close of biz? open-ended?
Mayor: we have public question period and reports
MS: defer reports?
JF: except for one
Mayor: one on the Amb WG; we may only go over by two
minutes.
MS: all right
Mayor: motion carries. Item 8
(8)
Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) Community Engagement Committee
- May 28, 2007
MS: was reading minutes re Childcare WG; feedback loop; decisions
wd come from Ccl
Mayor: I met with Chair; she had a v good point to make; groups
app feedback from Ccl
second point was raised by Cclr Sop, he can make it himself, but
he was wondering what is the set process, do things come to us too
soon or too early
Consensus of CEC -- WGs shd always feel can come to Ccl and that
Ccl will always provide feedback to them, does that capture it?
Sop: my take on it
Mayor: really proactive stance of your Chair, meaningful work to
ppl and need to be supported by Ccl in work they're doing and not
forget to get back to them, how responding
Sop: an interim reporting system from these cmtes wd be valuable
to Ccl as a whole, before final recommendations come
Mayor: old adv cmtes said that too; whatever happens to things we
advise you about
I want to ask Mr Stuart about No. 11; sounds good but are we at
risk of losing those fees?
(11) B. Binnie, President - UBCM,
June 11, 2007, regarding Single Business Licence
Initiative
CAO: v concerned about this, maybe even losing signif revenue,
may also lose the opportunity to govern in fact, biz licences; if
problem with one
if single biz licence may not be able to restrict; looking at
this as well as modernization of the bldg code; will be coming forward
to Ccl with reports on both
JF: that was my question; cd we retract biz lic if not acting in
best interests of cmnty?
CAO: we've implemented NSh-wide; think prov shd look at that wrt
operation; still control; streamline, general thrust of what we'll be
recommending
Mayor: Motion to receive: 5, 8, 11, 12, 15
10. ORAL REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS
Mayor: we're going to have one report
RD : I object to that, Rodgers Creek WG had an ...
Mayor: okay, I'll give you that opportunity. We'll go to
Cclr F and then come to you
{Kind of the Mayor; wonder why RD didn't say anything earlier
-- it is true however the Open House was a significant event;
restraint of MS not to comment about change thus lengthening
mtg!}
======= CLOSED vs OPEN
=======================
JF: Just wanted to comment on the fact that the Amb Study Town
Ctr WG is meeting Wed morning and at that time under our WG
guidelines, we will be having an in camera mtg with Ccl b/c the
guidelines state that we can have a mtg, may be closed, if the subject
matter involves information
{CLOSED! CLOSED??? Alarm bells went off in my
head!}
about prop, services, negotiations, or matters of a preliminary
nature where disclosure cd harm District interests, and so it is in
keeping with the LGA that this mtg will take place
{Quite apart from the fact the LGA says nothing about that,
the legislation is in the Cmnty Charter....
As you can imagine, I nearly leapt out of my seat! At
last Monday's mtg (18th) there was mention of a closed mtg without
notification (still trying to track that one on 13th down -- no notes
and not on Calendar), compounded by another mtg Friday morning said to
be closed -- so that when I asked the Mayor about a closed mtg,
suddenly staff called some ppl about it -- and now wanting yet another
closed mtg? What blatant rejection of the guidelines
approved by Ccl and circulated about a month ago! What an affront!
What an insult to agreed Ccl policy! And just assumed wd be
closed???
And JF is on the CEC cmte wch wrote the guidelines Ccl
approved that mtgs
Ah, but watch what happens...........}
Mayor: thank you, Ccl Day, I know you had an outstanding
session
RD: I'm chair of RCWG; had eight mtgs; started early; Open House
June 20, review of our main working principles, had Sieve Analysis
(detailed analysis of the terrain and land use), maps presented
our planner Geri Boyle gave presentation, as did Frank Musson
(mbr) and myself
about 200 ppl there, good crowd, v exciting; some mtn
bikers
adjourning for the summer, while staff in cooperation with BPP
will work out plan for end Aug; keep in touch via Internet
have another mtg with Ccl and another OH before we finalize plan
late fall
{A pity the Mayor didn't click immediately earlier when JF
spoke, but here's our knight in shining armour bursting out of the
gate, now that he has an opportunity to speak:}
Sop: want to question why Amb Group is going in camera based
on mtg with Ccl
seems to me we started these WGs to be open, at this stage is
there something that pertinent to go in camera, when we are still
in a draft position?
Mayor (oooo! interesting -- doesn't speak out, defers to CAO):
I'm going to ask Mr Stuart to respond to that
CAO: my understanding the group has identified a number of
land-related issues that they wd like to discuss in general with Ccl,
again it's a WG mtg, not a Ccl mtg, but they want to raise those
issues, then of course take results of that discussion, bring it back
into their draft paper wch I believe is coming forward shortly.
JF: very shortly
So it's just a matter of reviewing some land issues wch they've
identified.
{THEY have identified??? OOO! Again trying to
imply anything to do with land. IT'S NOT SO! It has to be
in particular cases that wd prejudice the M's interests. Keep in
mind also that some of those ppl on the Amb WG own land and businesses
(the majority in that category or architects/developers), so one might
argue that it's incredible conflict of interest of those mbrs to be
making recommendations on upzoning/increased density in the Amb Biz
District -- where they own/work!
All the more reason for the public to watch what's said,
suggested, decided, VERY CAREFULLY!
Not only that, WG mbrs are not sworn to secrecy as ccl mbrs
are so they're not obliged to keep quiet on anything they're
discussing. A simple case of the opportunity for them and their
friends to have an inside track on decisions.
Simply untenable.
How cd Cclr F underplay all of this? She's on the
CEC, the open policy has been circulated for over a month so why is
she ignoring it? coming up with false or misleading or slanted
statements to justify closure interpretations of the in camera
legislation as to qualification?}
Sop: well, under the WG issue, when we got to a specific
area, wd we then go in camera about the issue and then back to open
public on the rest of the issues?
why all under the guise of in camera when some of the issues
cd be solved quickly?
JF: mtg is going to be a workshop
Sop: right
JF: going to be shirtsleeves, and just a free flow and open
discussion
{and just by what fantastic stretch of the imagination does
she think that a 'shirtsleeves' discussion qualifies to go in camera
or be a closed mtg??? just calling it a workshop? using the
magic 'land' word as a skeleton key to the closet???}
virtually little will be discussed that hasn't been discussed
piecemeal in our open mtgs thus far, and the group has requested
this. I seem to recall the financial taxation WG convened in the
fall certainly had an in camera presentation to Ccl prior to having a
presentation publicly,
{Oh really? Maybe that wasn't proper either!
Have to look at that. In any case, JF is a mbr of CEC and shd be
advocating and practising openness. What deals don't they want
the cmnty to know about?}
I don't think there was anything wrong with that, nor do I think
there's anything wrong with this. It does in fact meet the
guidelines we have for our WGs.
{but the group has no right to request a closed mtg!!!
By this time I was out of my seat with alarm. Dear Readers:
This is serious. WG mbrs make no undertaking to keep closed mtgs
secret whether called in camera or not -- ccl mbrs are sworn in and
are obliged by oath. This means such mtgs, and something as
sensitive as rezoning/densifying the Ambleside Town Ctr, gives the
mbrs inside and early leads into what might be planned. To avoid
such an advantage, that's why the public ought to be present -- it shd
all be done in public.
Land, by itself, does not qualify to go in camera (even if
a WG cd); it's only when knowledge of the item wd be financially
detrimental TO the District. There has never been any indication
that DWV is going to buy any property. The discussions have been
wrt revitalizing the area, increasing density, introducing more mixed
structures with ofc/retail and residential..
By this time I'm beside myself, out of my seat, and
standing up alongside the first row of seats eager to find out what's
going to happen and anxious/ready to speak for and to defend yet
again, and vigorously, openness.}
Mayor: Cclr Sop - oh, sorry, Cclr Clark
JC: I side with Cclr Sop on this if what I just heard Cclr F say
is that all the information about to be discussed at this in camera
mtg has already been discussed in open public forum, what's point of
in camera mtg? Makes no sense.
Sop: hear, hear
{Yay, Cclr Clark. He followed Sop -- unexpected but
music to my ears!}
Mayor: I think, this is a really tricky one.
{No, it isn't}
it's the mbrs of the public's interest in being able to have an
open conversation with Ccl, that's all; no decisions. Anything
that comes out of this, will go back I guess to the WG and forward to
Ccl again. And I think we have to respect the fact that we're
learning, and the fact that this is a challenge for some mbrs of the
cmnty.
{hm; she's waffling -- sitting on the fence??? Let's watch
the dynamics....}
If we don't want to do that, then we will still be sitting down
with them, we may have a slightly different kind of conversation, I
don't know, but certainly it's Ccl's prerogative.
{Well, Ccl's prerogative we're counting on is to have OPEN
mtgs. Period.
Sop takes up the gauntlet again and strikes another blow
for the cmnty and openness!}
Sop: I'll tell you from my side, if it's going to be a closed
mtg and we're discussing things that have already been discussed [in
public], then I'm not attending! What is to hide? What
is so pertinent that only a section of that mtg might go in camera on
some issue? the rest of it has been discussed with the public,
why go in camera with it? We don't have to. These are
open actions by ppl, these are public being involved, communication,
engagement of the public. It isn't behind closed
doors.
I'm not going if it's going to be a closed mtg, I'll tell you
that right now.
{Sop standing firm!}
Mayor: Cclr F has given us that information. We're
not here to make a decision. Perhaps Ccl cd let me know, each of
you, and you're more than welcome to do that now.
{but why doesn't the Mayor lead? why not use the
chair for leadership in this matter and say right off that she stands
for openness in govt and Ccl had approved the guidelines wrt
openness???}
RD: on the Rodgers Crk WG, we've twice had mbrs who requested in
camera session or mtg and we decided not to do it. I was opposed
to going in camera
{Maybe so, but that's now b/c at their first mtg they
voted, yes voted when that's not legal, to have their next mtg closed
(and the Mayor was present but didn't speak to dissuade them) and it
had a presentation from BPP. At the Apr 12 mtg, they even talked
about having another closed mtg and RD as Chair did not say they
cdn't, rather mentioned dates. This was the mtg that was the
last straw for me and as Readers know, I objected vociferously and
brought it to Ccl's attention. Happy to say that after that,
RD's conduct has been absolutely exemplary and even gone beyond what
we had in mind in the openness policy. His WG mtgs are a delight
and the public is welcomed. Do note, however, that they will
have no more mtgs until the end of August while staff and BPP work on
plans for the area.}
I don't think we're dealing with anything that really needs to go
in camera. Property matters, things of that sort, where you have
to do so. I think it's better to always do things in public so
that ppl can [?didn't catch word]
one of the mbrs last time said yes but the press reports and
misinterprets what we say and distorts what we say
I said, yes, that's true, they do sometimes, but not always but
in any case, that's part of the system. It's a free system in
wch we take certain risks when we are in public life and we know that
the press may make mistakes and may not always be perfectly accurate,
but generally it does the best it can
{Well, everyone makes mistakes and misquotes -- staff, ccl
mbrs, and WG mbrs are not immune. At that mtg, RD allowed me to
comment. I pointed out that it's better to have the
newspapers/media put it in writing b/c then someone can write in
return to correct the record whereas mbrs and others who hear (or
mishear, or partially hear) can tattle away to friends and others with
no one able to know what's being misstated or being passed on.
Besides, b/c a reporter on occasion might get a fact or two wrong, is
that a reason to bar the press and/or the public???
That logic doesn't work if you believe in an open
democracy, does it.}
in any case I think that we have to take that risk of staying in
the open and it's tough, all of us know, have our scars from it, but
it's a lot better than going in camera
The only time to go in camera is when you're dealing with things
like property matters or legal matters or personnel matters, otherwise
you stay in the open.
{The smile is growing on my face. That's three cclrs
-- the Mayor now will have to change to openness -- though with the
CAO support of JF and with both JF and the Mayor calling on him to
give reasons (land, the magic word) to support closed, no doubt they
knew it was coming, but possibly the rest of Ccl didn't know and
weren't prepared. Anyway, a brave bold stroke for openness and
those three have taken a stand at last. All had assured me in
the past their commitment to openness but the breaches over the past
few months have been dispiriting. I knew the game was won b/c I
knew that VV had never agreed that WGs shd be able to have closed
mtgs, so here's the majority vote!}
VV: Yes, I've not changed my mind. I don't believe we have the
right to confer on the WGs the right to go in camera. I think in
camera mtgs shd be ccl mtgs and for specific items as we
customarily do.
MS: pretty hard to comment intelligently after 17 hours and 6
minutes of continually being on the job. Some of us start at
5am.
{Poor, Mike. Let's hope he can take a nap on Monday
afternoons if he can't arrange starting later.}
So I won't even try to comment. As far as I'm concerned the
solution shd be we start off as an open mtg and if there's something
that the Chairman of the WG, MMgr, and staff think need to go in
camera, I suppose they cd identify it and go in camera, but we
might as well start off certainly and hopefully finish, in
public.
{Mike caps it off! That makes five so we have more
than majority. Overjoyed!!!}
Mayor: Well, frankly, I just don't think you can represent the
cmnty any better than to show leadership and confidence in conducting
biz in public,
{ye-e-ee-eesss; we have been hoping...}
and that's going to be our job to create that comfort zone for
these citizens.b/c they are working really hard and so, that's
perfectly fine, I think it's exemplary, but I don't think it's going
to be easy for everybody and I think it's important for us to remember
we're maybe a little more used to it so if we're asking this of our
citizens, we have to create that environment for them as well. I
think that that's really the ideal.
{Yes, but this is democracy, public govt. Anyone who
is uneasy meeting in public over public biz shd not apply! The
application forms that citizens fill out to offer their
expertise/knowledge and time shd make it clear that mtgs are open so
it's no surprise and wd avoid resistance and arguments. One
Chair a few weeks ago said they cdn't be creative if it was open.
Creativity while desirable is not a reason to go in camera.
Another mbr said ppl wd have to be careful what they said.
Well, I guess! Out of consideration of the rest of the WG, let's
hope remarks are considered beforehand. From a resident's point
of view, it is interesting, nay essential, to make sure someone on the
WG does not dominate proceedings and get his way. Someone might
be reluctant to be so obvious. It also might prevent (well, slow
down) someone with a lot to gain -- whether a property owner or an
architect hoping for the work -- from advancing his personal
preferences for advantage.
A lot to consider.
Lots of reasons the legislation stipulates
open.
A lot of abuse in the past; this is an attempt to limit
it.
Real estate is big money in WV as you homeowners know, and
upzoning means even more money/value!
Now do you see why I've been fighting so hard for
this?
They started out saying that WGs didn't have to follow the
legislation at all. I want to make sure they follow the 'open'
part.
At this point in the mtg, I'm grinning from ear to
ear!}
so there's your answer, Cclr F
JF, facing the Gang of Five's revolt: so it's an open mtg
Mayor: it's an open mtg, that's the consensus of Ccl
{Well, that's some relief but again, it shdn't hv bn a
question of consensus. It's the law, damn it!}
JF: I will relay that
{Better late than never, however knowing Ccl's policy and
the WG guidelines, JF shd hv explained it to the mbrs when it came up,
told them their mtgs were open, and not have bothered Ccl with this,
or worried the public mtgs behind closed doors.
OTOH, to be optimistic, let's hope this has put the beast
back in the cage
At least for the next mtg and the time being. (Yes,
the mtg Wed June 27 was open but at an earlier time than originally
given, at least four residents in attendance and the one Wed July 4
will be at 8am and at the Ch/Commerce boardroom. They wdn't let
us see the document with the list of recommendations they were
discussing but I'm working on that b/c doubtful that qualifies as top
secret. Stay tuned.}
Mayor: The Rodgers Crk Area has already gone first
Thank you for your reports. You never know where we're
going to go with these things.
Now to PQP -- Carolanne Reynolds, you're standing there
CR, yes, indeed I was still there the tension having turned to
excitement at success: I just want to say thank you very very
much; just to say thank you
MS: I want to move receipt of verbal reports....
Mayor: Motion carries. We'll take that thank you!
CR: Thank you for continuing the commitment to openness.
It is very very much appreciated.
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Mayor: all right, and now motion to adjourn.
[MS moved adjournment "with pleasure".]
11. PUBLIC QUESTIONS AND COMMENTS / 12.
ADJOURNMENT 10:11
=== MEDICAL TERMINOLOGY
=== THE PSYCHIATRIST AND THE PROCTOLOGIST
Two doctors opened an office in a small town and put up a sign
reading:
"Dr. Smith and Dr. Jones: Hysterias and
Posteriors"
The town council was not happy with the sign, so the doctors
changed it to read:
"Schizoids and Hemorrhoids"
This was not acceptable either, so in an effort to satisfy the
council, they changed the sign to:
"Catatonics and High
Colonics"
No go.
Next, they tried: "Manic Depressives and Anal
Retentives"
Thumbs
down again. Then came: "Minds and Behinds"
Still
no good. Another attempt resulted in: "Lost Souls and Butt
Hole"
Unacceptable again. So they tried: "Analysis and
Anal Cysts"
Not a
chance. "Nuts and Butts"?
No way.
"Freaks and Cheeks"?
Still
no go. "Loons and Moons"?
Forget it. Almost at their wit's end, the doctors finally
came up with: "Dr. Smith and Dr. Jones, Odds and Ends"
Everyone loved it.
=== QUOTATIONS
===
My kind of loyalty was loyalty to one's country, not to its
institutions or its officeholders.
--
Mark Twain, author and humorist (1835-1910)
The true danger is, when liberty is nibbled
away for expedients, and by parts.
--
Edmund Burke, British statesman (1729 - 1797) ...
Not to engage in the pursuit of ideas is to live like ants
instead of like men.
--
Mortimer Adler (American, 1902 - 2001)
Jean Rostand (French, 1894 - 1977):
Je me sens tr=E8s optimiste quant =E0 l'avenir du pessimisme / I
am optimistic for the future of pessimism