Just one ccl mtg to go!!!

=  Vive le Canada: Heritage West Van/RoyalTea; UPDATES/INFObits (Tax Rates; HAF Costs; Wentworth PH Correction/Addn); Some DWV Salaries and Expenditures); Calendar to July 31st

=  Ccl Mtg July 16th NOTES: Ambleside Town Ctr Strategy WG Recommendations (staff to come back in Sept); Update/Report on Housing and Nbrhd Character; Cmnty Ctr Qtrly report; Amb/Housing Qs at end

=  Agenda July 23rd; Letter to Mayor & Ccl re Wentworth PH transcript vs DWV minutes (compare A and B); Definition of Globalizaton; SPLOG; RoyalTea-by-the-Sea; Quotations

*** VIVE LE CANADA -- HERITAGE WEST VAN

RoyalTea-by-the-Sea -- See www.royaltea.ca for information.

The eighth annual RoyalTea is at Dundarave Park from 2 - 4pm on Saturday July 28.  Please reserve by email reservations@royaltea.ca or call 922 4400 and Rebekah or Gen will record your name.  You are most welcome to bring memorabilia for the display table.  Wear a fancy hat and you may win one of three gift certificates.  This is an occasion to celebrate an integral part of our history and heritage.  Videos of the royal visit in 1939 and past RoyalTeas will be available ($5).  Pipers will be piping......

The adopted PH Minutes have all the names.  Abject apologies for any concerns or inconvenience.  See sections below.

***  CLARIFICATION re TAXES

As a result of several callers a bit confused about the District finances/taxation, please allow me to clarify.  You may have read recently, and it appeared in a column in the NSN, that the DWV 2007 budget is a zero-per-cent tax increase however that is not quite true.  Council deserves congratulations but the fact is that the budget has increased, thus the taxes collected are a higher amount but it is a zero per cent tax RATE increase.  The mill rate is set, the same for the whole municipality, so if your taxes are higher it's a reflection of the assessment of your property.  The Finance Dept put out a helpful map of the neighbourhoods with the average assessment changes.  If your assessment went up around 17% your taxes wd be about the same as last year; if less, then less than last year and if more, then more than last year.

After many years of asking maybe b/c with more ppl/groups asking and it's now the will of Council, we now have a commitment that the salaries will be made public much earlier.  You've read in this newsletter over the years no reason to wait till after the budget passed since those figures are known by Feb 28 when by law T4s must be sent out.

Keep in mind that Council establishes a budget -- it comes first -- and then with the amount from the BC Assessment Authority giving the total assessment in WV, determines the mill rate so that the taxes collected equal the budget b/c a deficit is not permitted.

***  HARMONY ARTS

TYVM to Kevin Pike, Director of Parks, who, the day after the July 9th ccl mtg kindly provided the 2007 budget figures for the HARMONY ARTS FESTIVAL:

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=  NB: More CORRECTION/CLARIFICATION:

v strange.  My letter had a paragraph added stating there were some omissions from the minutes wch were appended but there were no omissions in what was attached!  Though working remotely confused and puzzled, still my responsibility and trying to find out what happened.  Sorry.  Totally bizarre.

= B/c the DWV's minutes are brief and omit points made, by saying "spoke relative to", I sent a transcript of my submission wrt Collingwood/Wentworth Campus Public Hearing but had Additional comments and questions:

The traffic of course has to be settled and I understand that will be in the report before the resumption of the PH on July 23rd, but IMO the further geotechnical study really is needed given the heavier rains recently and the slides in the area.

Have all streams including ephemeral been studied?

According to DWV's procedures, has this aspect been evaluated by WV Streamkeepers and the Environmental Coordinator?  Will those reports be made public?

In particular, the effects of the four streams blocked or diverted into a drain should be examined since a resident stated he's taken some measures but still experiences seepage.

Can more be done to eliminate or mitigate the effect (previous and potential) on his property?  (and of course anyone else's)

Has DWV better policies now wrt creek habitat restoration and environmental protection that cd be implemented?

Moreover, wrt the topography and sustainability, has a study been made of the tree/vegetation retention? the before and after of rain/water absorption and retention?

We look forward to the results of the staff report on these issues.

REMEMBER the Farmers' Markets:

~ 6:30 - 9pm ~ Cmnty Ctr Governance at Srs' Ctr -- MOVED to Aug 14

~ 6:30 - 8:30pm ~ Child Care Services WG

~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review -- CANCELLED

~ 5 - 7pm ~ Heritage Strategic Plan WG

~ 5:30pm ~ Police Board at Chamber of Commerce Boardroom

== Fri, July 27th ~ 8:45 - 10am ~ Arts & Culture Strategy WG at FBG

~ 8:30am start, Dundarave Park, Walk Run for Prostate Cancer

+++  WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++  CLOSED on Sundays in July and August.

+ July 1 - 31st + GALLERY AT THE LIBRARY ==  "TEXTURE" {details in last two issues}

The WV Museum building (house) was originally built by Gertrude Lawson, who hosted countless nights of Scottish dancing in her house. The main floor, made of oak, was designed to be large enough for two sets of Scottish dancers. There was a raised platform at one end for Scottish bag pipers.  Learn the ancient art of Scottish Country Dancing at the historic Gertrude Lawson House this summer!

You are invited to join for an informative demonstration of Scottish Country Dancing. May Loudon (experienced Scottish Country Dance teacher) and Angus MacKinnon (Scottish fiddler) will discuss the cultural significance of Scottish dance and fiddle music.

Each session (7:30pm) will focus on a particular theme:

July 11 =  17th century dances  /  July 25 =  Old dances still popular today

August 8 =  20th century revival  /  August 22 =&nbs= p; Contemporary Scottish dances

Admission to these sessions is by donation. Please call at 925 7295 to book your spot in advance.

+++  WV ARTS COUNCIL +++ visit www.silkpurse.ca for events (most ticketed)

2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES -- No items scheduled

Geri Boyle, Planning Staff: 2004 OCP calls for reinforcing Ambleside Town Ctr; next item key but other initiatives going on.

One the cmnty may hv heard about, in early stages, is the Gateway to Ambleside to Marine Dr from Pk Royal Shopping ctr to 13th St.

wd be nice to improve entrance, more exciting

Project will not only slow traffic without changing capacity for cars but improve pedestrian -- visual clues, separated sidewalk, tree planting, landscaped boulevard,...

S side will actually be placed in the playing fields

third major impact will be enhancement to Sway-wey (sp?) Crk, filtration, improvement to Storm Water Mgmt System

results will be a much more memorable entrance to WV, a median, landscaping

Timing will be determined by Ccl.

Mayor: any questions from Ccl?

[NONE: CARRIED]

RECOMMENDED:

Begin with John Seddon [sp?]

JS: I represent the owners of Bellevue Landing wch is a mixed use residential and retail bldg at the corner of 14th and Bellevue, wch has its residential entrance at 2145 - 14th St.  Very supportive of plans to revitalize Amb but cannot in any way support the use of 14th St as a civic square or as a  location for Farmers' Market as we discussed two years ago, and we don't approve of its use for Harmony Arts or any other festival, functions.

The street wd be closed to vehicular traffic and access to our bldg by emergency vehicles wd at least be impaired if not restricted completely. This must not be allowed to happen.  Fire, ambulance, and Police must have unimpeded access to our door.

Also concern b/c of sales, litter and garbage wch wd hv to be cleaned up, maybe hv to be done by us.

Festivals have to have toilet facilities, eg Harmony Arts, but don't like prospect of port-a-potties by our front door.

Parking spaces on 14th St are v much needed and shd not be eliminated.

A couple of constructive suggestions:

but first can't think of a better way to beautify Ambleside, waterfront, except to bury the ugly power lines that exist -- that's part of the OCP and shd be put in place, it's certainly time they were buried.

When WV residents meet, don't meet in open air, not in a civic square, they meet in coffee shops and restaurants and that's as it shd be.

Have given you our written presentation.

Mayor: perhaps not mentioned by Ms Boyle, but the power lines between 11th and 13th are to be buried as part of the entrance, but that's not quite in yr nbrhd

JS: they don't end at 13th

Mayor: I know, but we've started...

Roberta Burney/Birnie (sp?): 14th St; lived there for nine years; agree with what John said, in particular wrt town square; parking is a problem; teenagers wd gather -- got 711 there

problem wrt access to our bldg; emergency vehicles, some elderly getting cabs, etc

The 2004 West Van traffic study states that 20,000 -  29,000 vehicles  travel down Marine Dr across 13th St in a 24-hour period.  Marine Dr is listed as a high accident area -- this crossroads at MDr and 13th.  Imagine the traffic congestion from additional vehicles when the Evelyn Dr development is completed, 349 units, the Water's Edge (Park Royal Hotel site), 76 units, the Rodgers Creek area (Upper Levels) 2008 acres, ten times the size of Evelyn Drive,

and what kind of density us the Amb Town Ctr  going to produce and how many cars?

The 1300 block Marine Dr is considered to be the Gateway to Ambleside. What kind of a gateway are we planning on developing?

At the Strategy WG mtgs, I heard about a boutique hotel, an ofc complex, or both, wch was suggested by this cmte for 1300  block Marine, replacing the Police Stn and various other bldgs in that block.  How high will this hotel and ofc complex be? we heard six storeys? eight storeys?

The present Official Community Plan (OCP) provides for two to three storeys. The Canada Safeway site in the 1800 block of Marine is also slated for higher density.  WV has more home-based businesses per capita than any other M in the GVRD.  The trend for major biz is home-based, as it cuts down on pollution, travel time, and ofc expense.  The City of Vancouver as reported in the V Sun is seeing a surge of this kind of biz practice, and this is the practice of businesses coming out of the home.  So why are we advocating another ofc block complex?

This Working Group, as I said, consisted mostly of architects, developers, and businessmen landowners with no ratepayer associations represented on this cmte, and we live in this cmnty, and we wd like to think there wd be fair representation.  Now, high density in one block can set a precedent for higher density throughout Ambleside, and what will become of the Ambleside Village as we know it?  Will it just be another busy congested town ctr? another Yale Town?  What kind of devt are we proposing for all the residents of the cmnty, not just for a few?

Thank you.

Mayor: Next, Jann Gibbs

JG: my question wd be better at PQP.

Mayor: Lock Gibbs?

LG: want to speak about the Housing Dialogue Dundarave Nbrhd

Mayor, since this is also for later item or PQP: fine, thank you.

All I have for public input at this time; this is the beginning of the effort

with great anticipation Ccl hears from WG; will ask Cclr F what WG has been doing.

JF: delighted; make recommendation first?

Mayor: certainly.

JF moves: The comments and recommendations of the Ambleside Town Centre Strategy Working Group be received

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Dolly: delight to be on cmte....

excited when again destination of choice, our seaside town ctr

see a nbrhd inviting us at all ages.

to shop for the essential and exotic, in new and renewed bldgs; biz and commerce in a thriving core

enjoy cultural entertainment

to stroll, walk with walkers, electric car, whatever you have; with aging, motorized scooters

dine, wide safe sidewalks, winding lines to waterfront

bring back what WV shd be, a seafront

Karl Gustavson: resident since 1981... sustainability

setback requirements; only the larger sites 1.75

still analysis and due diligence

three large sites, 13th Safeway, 14th, potentially going past 1.75

wd go through rezoning process, hts have to be proven

flexibility and variation

McDonald's realty site beside Kiwanis Lane -- Rotary Lane; cd use second storey

another 1000 sq ft encourage retrofit; LEED certification standard

1.72 Hollyburn Medical

IGA 1.6; Dundarave Village Mews 1.4; Clearly Cdn building on Bellevue .75

not scary to look at, functional

this process went through design, gave endorsement

our cmte unanimous, such a diverse group

Staff come back in Sept

WV behind the times, want to be leaders

Mayor: questions?

Sop: WG cross section in cmtes; what done to date, a good start; attractive initiatives...

cd be done in other places

now look at 17th and Marine; with presentation, work to be done, sure will be attractive

look at road ends and how conduct traffic through it

request that future developers present bldgs pull away from sidewalk and create walkabout, three distinct nodes; around our building; attractive mtg place

we'd better take a step back, baby steps

1783 Bank of Mtl, has .60 not v big, attractive

sev small, unless amalgamate not going to get benefits

you made point, Mr Gustavson, the process they have to go through, we cd look at

restoring a small property

what I cannot accept is 60ft all the way down b/c ev devpr will want to go there

Mayor: Ask Ms Boyle to expand on that, that 1.75 needs more

important for Ccl to flag for its reporting in the fall

Sop: how can you go if not accept 1.75?

Mayor: --

Sop: where does it go then?

not looking at as base, as max on those three starred sites; based on amenities

GB: yes that's what it says

Sop: LEED already required and parking reqmts met

had a traffic study done that said not too bad the way it is but we want to make street ends easier to go through, maybe crossing in middle of the block

really know from Bunt report; but how do we know for day to day shoppers?

traffic report and traffic study more important to me; those requirements

who goes underground?

how many ppl?  balance???

requirement to provide illustrations

two from strata who spoke were xxxx

we can provide illustrations, provide options, conclusions, provide something may or may not what cmte wants; enough in Sept to proceed

JC: not going to be dealing with the abstracts and attended week and a half ago at Chamber info mtg

discussion around table, problems putting parking underground

entire N side of 1400 Bellevue has underground parking

city xxx ...  Walker bldg xxx [has parking?] and

quite surprised confusion about ability putting parking underground, in fact we do have a prob in Amb with staff, as you know in [our block???]; we turned it around and all of our staff park below grade so don't have to keep running around moving cars

what's happening now, their staff are parking on street, at bank, come out at coffee, lunch, coffee and move [their cars], four diff spaces all day long

underground parking expensive as it may be

[as for] biz on lanes......  don't now if I'd want delivery parking blocking my door

Mr Walker has been consulted, as well he shd, but some other signif prop owners who have not been talked about as to their thoughts, in his words last week, he had been talked to a couple of times -- surprised they weren't talked to will give names later

we heard tonight from representatives from Bellevue Landing and same to bldg that backs/fronts onto 14th and Marine wrt this so-called town square

I've been sitting here for eight years and heard no conversation specifically of designating that area as town square where festivities wd be held on a regular routine basis, closing the street on a reg routine basis, I know a bit wider and leads to FBG and know 20 years ago as gateway to that festival area but at no time, but the market -- we voted to move it and put it elsewhere

possibility to move it to cmnty ctr

never contemplated holding festivals or anything close to that on that street

important we allay those fears, I know they're laying awake at night fearing it going to happen

VV: was interested in remarks by ADRA about the composition of the WG

interesting we have a group expert in xxx and one the resident... rather a group of experts having [mtg?]

not comfortable staff taking experts and then

mtg with Ccl impressed with intention to be helpful to us

it's the structure we set up, not critique of indiv input

along lines of Cclr Sop, think a lot we cd do wd get support of public

simple; taking bldgs from two floors, three to four to outright five floors, haven't met one who'd like that on the south side; affects sun, no enthusiasm at all; look at the little things

sidewalks shd be cleaner and power washed twice a year, we can do that, not controversial

parking can be improved, better access; we can implement parking proposals without changing number of floors

on long blocks midblock passageways, again can be done; lane devt too

more trees, that can go ahead and improve attractiveness

starting point made comparison with Edgemont, Dunbar, Kerrisdale, and [4th?]

that's where came from, ht both sides so sense of enclosure

don't think we need to do this, don't think it's a connection we can make

mistake splitting; condo owners not same interests as biz owners

need to give priority to commerce on that street and don't need to add sep tenancy

ev time we add residences we add costs to the cmnty; EvDr 300, huge implications

don't have DCCs to reflect that

MS: WG's done good work; Amb desp needs to be revitalized

some of the suggestions, more ofc space, smaller rental units, boutique hotel, vibrant restaurant and stores, need for diff arch styles, shapes; good suggestions but there are questions

wd support for staff report; what's public input going to look like?

corner of 14th and Marine, probably zoned?

SJN: Esso? zoned as a service stn

MS: I can assure you the land owner doesn't even need the money; just grind customers

rather than say .....

can't...; makes no sense to me; think we have to have that public amenity policy in place

rather than base

RD: agree with Ccl Smith; back to Planning and have them refine

wish there had been [ratepayer?] representatives on it but cmte has worked hard

don't see this as radical, cd have been worse; 1.75 built on large lots

right now don't know so don't...

stay as it is but reasonable to have new bldgs there; three sites cd go to 2.5 but only three and that's clear

these issues have got to be discussed; at least proposers wd know what rules of game are

Mayor: thank cmte

serious challenge faced for decades

don't think we can have blind faith, given us what we have now; character and human scale

here talking tonight; go forward with intent; grappling with what do we intend

thank you to WG; thank you for talking about "incentiving"

only three sites that cd go above four storeys

sustainable cmnty devt is

foster common experiences

one large village square might be alienating, and five small better

ev benefit small local biz thrive; build self-reliant; increase cmnty participation

[our ofc] 1846 MDr ofc down in Ambleside

supporting and bldg infrastructure

we need to have courage, stick together, and shd begin; need assurance not wholesale change

ccl after ccl, .....  with return to Ccl  key issues

stated goal of ev mbr of Ccl at last election; want to stick with the cmnty and get this right

JF: respond to some of the concerns

the maj of bldgs we see built under existing zoning

part of prob, and reason, we took this on; want to see redevt and revit; bizes are leaving; turn around pattern of failure

some successes, will tell you how diff

if present zoning working [no need?] change

so most of the devprs do nothing, brings in rent

xxxx ... if working wdn't be [like this? left?]

prop owners looking for some predictability, won't have to go through whole lengthy processes

no other; if want to sell it

lots of ppl like to park underground; surely no one's going to pay ....

undergrd parking is the future, also the past

doesn't look good on site

if concerned about undergrd parking you park on street; if you're worried, I'll hold your hand

JF: ... bizs in lane can do so at reduced rental

cd take place on Clyde, perfect for small scale, cobbler, lawnmower repair shop

where you need to go to get appliances fixed, not on more exp streets

didn't approach owners one by one; wasn't aware one not talked to, we'd be happy to

no recomm that any [streets] be closed for a town square

do support..... on special occasions but wd maintain existing at other times

one or two spots for drop off on 14 th St and 17th St

17th St was originally designed as a festival street, by John Lawson and no reason not to use....

in terms of mbrship, only one typical resident? every mbr was a resident

most v close to Amb

and it speaks more to... as if a resident cdn't have typical, cdn't be expert

improving parking -- yes we all

frankly I'd rather do it with DCCs rather than increasing taxes

residences not being compatible, ensure from good design that they be compatible; ppl looking to live in heart of cmnty

agree with Cclr Smith, ev referred to CB policy

Planning Dept refining these, they will; but took over two years to come forth with these rec and it was our job to support, amend, change; in large part we have supported them with one signif diff

WG is v anxious things proceed as quickly as possible, one wants to see change before she dies

waiting a long time; a long-term prob

sincerely feel you folks got together and did ...

I'm sure any one of the four site owners cd come with a design on South; or fourth

what is stated by the cmte -- outright three storeys and four storeys conditional with amenities

no objection if on N side of the street but we have many little stores that won't meet this

but if the acq of three storeys outright... back to ht, we're not talking about 8ft floors

Walker bldg, nice bldg 1.42, Hollyburn Mews, 1.65 ..... beautiful why say higher with amenities?

don't know how many amenities cd be provided?

sure three with stars; going to have to go through with own zoning

VV: interested in Cclr F's remarks that rents too high

the point I was making, plenty we can do without

don't zone every 20 years, why rezone when props run down

had an interesting talk by Dir of Planning -- ppl were paying too much for their props

why wd they keep doing that? they're betting on a dead certainty Ccl will give them an upzoning

maybe we're part of the problem than the soln

we don't have the habit we upzone if rundown and bylaw if upkept; don't see answer to that here

JC: wrt retail rents; I have a passing knowledge

I'm in one of the most recent bldgs in Amb 14yrs old only two after that

the rents we pay are roughly half what paid in Park Royal N and S, and less than half of Pk Royal Village

probs going on generally a fallacy; when you drill down, it's usually mgmt style, lack of financing, pocket depth; rental a mere function of sales

misleading

Mayor: who are we rewarding here? we are rewarding ourselves

my experience, Edgemont Village, 32 Books, moved in; outstripped ..... in six months

loyal customers; ev knows we're missing that

feeling is diff going through Amb than through Dund

CAO: at some point when Ccl feels explored enough

true we have some nice bldgs in Amb but not enough; Dund is a good example of revitalization; need more of bldgs like Delany's

haven't seen much change in Amb: Hollyburn Medical Ctr painful

seems we have guidelines to keep character, doesn't foresee radical changes; those three starred lots, a lot of discussion before those three; not as if change overnight; need to proceed and go ahead

JF: wrt biz failures, those who commented to me on only one point

wanted to make sure thanks to WG, and to Colette Parsons who's recovering well

in agreement we need more public and more Ccl understanding what they do contain and the nuances; nor averse to that nor wd WG be; happy to continue

Mayor: vote on Receipt

CARRIED UNANIMOUSLY

JC: I left room and let WG choose its own Chair; Stephen Mikicich [staff] was astonished

not to come up with our own ideas for WV; we see our job as providing the process to elicit those ideas and concerns from the residents of WV; wanting to make sure developing a framework; been focusing on how are we going to do it

want to give vocabulary; highly cognizant don't want to impose our own views

Stephen has done a wonderful powerpoint; you won't have to stay here v long, will step in

Stephen Mikicich: will provide an overview; at our first few mtgs, time spent defining role of this WG and the seriousness; Housing Choice and Affordability identified in OCP Review process; gain better ......; in Jan 2005, Ccl approved Phase One of the Housing Dialogue

WV Facts and Stats -- av on DWV website

Mobility Report nearing completion; Leanne working on that; been working on a few other things

Heritage Strategic Plan recognizes distinct nbrhds; Incentive tools that cd be used; Clovelly-Caulfeild to design with nature; raise to District-wide level; hear from public over the counter is change in nbrhds and limited opps for seniors; talking about cmnty's future needs; working with site's natural features

xxxxx?

CB: The Process:

want to get ppl to talk about; housing the might need or want

devp awareness of those needs for cmnty as a whole, not just personal level

great deal of experience in Group; hot topic can become either/or

have to get process right

[SLIDES -- newsletter, cmnty forum, other Ms, etc]

CB: mbrs worked with staff; Cmnty Day staffed by volunteers, residents more forthcoming -- ifjust staff or cclrs oh it's just, but ppl talking to ppl really gets them talking

interactive materials, ideas for website and forum; got some hot topics for the forums

hope a great way for ppl to have their say without fear of public speaking

until internet area had to sign and speak, some didn't want to do that or didn't want to wait two hours; think it will be a great way to get unbiased unfiltered; can participate 11 at night or whenever

SM: Information and Ideas -- we have a lot; using webpage to make it available sequentially

Ideas Fair in October -- coming together in a large venue

End of first phase in Nov, will report to Ccl what ppl are talking about

three cmnty workshops in Jan and early Feb; more indepth, re housing needs; summarize wkshop results, findings in March; proposing a cmnty survey following workshops as a way of gauging public opinion, reporting back in May

Recommendations and synopsis in June; throughout process online updates for cmnty

CB: so we will be back here; you can have your say; want to hear what West Vanners want to say; great wealth of ... and expertise; informed information you can shape policy for WV nbrhds

Sop: been waiting for this for a long time; hope you'll be addressing

character of nbrhd, perceived to be a livable, perceived to be a nbrhd; livable, likeable and here b/c want to be there

then a nbrhd all happy and a large house dominates and there goes the nbrhd;see it ev day

Mayor: opp to ask questions

Sop: is a question, are you going to?

CB: zoning, treatment of trees; at this point not anticipating giving ....; do want to identify issues

JF: really looking fwd to reporting of this group; and have some scars from election

going to have a wonderful time

plans to discuss with School board; large land owner, large role to play?

b/c of their clientele they hear a lot of things, in terms of housing, character, housing

CB: one of the items we've already recognized; not just housing: transportation, ancillary services, as well as school

Andy Krawzyck is a principal [in Vancouver]; he's going to contact sch bd; anyone with school age chn will get it out into cmnty; underway already, already made that contact.

Lock Gibbs: lived at 2596 Ottawa for 22 years; really appreciate .... this WG is taking

we live in upper Dund, beautiful, second house that was built, 1912, we rebuilt to maintain character of the house; feel deeply about the [nbrhd?]

talk to ppl in other areas; losing skyline views

one thing came to our attn, a devpr across the street; asked permission to cut down one tree

issue is urgent IMO; wait for a year and a half seems to me; not wonderful, happening to me right now; wonderful cmte wants to look at what it feels like, to blend

right now we cd institute dialogue right now

Jann Gibbs: my family has lived here for about 51 years; one thing I've always admired, WV is a cmnty

go down to MHall; ppl wanting to live and be part of cmnty

you see some dialogue; whole opp for discussion

what is happening now with us is that our nbrs are coming and talking to us

omigosh I thought there was a rule; I didn't think wd happen in WV...

lots saying love where I live now getting worried, it's changing; fast, really, really fast

love work cmte has done well thought out

a year and a half from now Dund will not be Dund; on our street alone, five in past year, three going up right now; sense of Dund is being lost

want to know process you go through to take action; sounds like things have been on table for a long time

controversy, needing to appease many groups, things take time; what can Dund do to speed up that process; what wd you recommend to speed up that process

frankly in a year things will be v v different; how do you get together, what's timeframe

Mayor: Ccl will have heard from .......

in Clovelly; comment on rezoning bylaw; this ccl trying to be proactive

SJN: intend to embark on this this fall

running parallel to this, quicker than character b/c diff perspective

can't be discretionary; can't say allowed second storey unless affects nbr

Mayor: how long will it take?

SJN: probably in phases and begin with proposals this fall and Ccl act on them in new year

Mayor: be surprised that some devprs have approached us...

range of ppl interested

no question a priority; adding another 18mos, staff challenged with numerous initiatives

will look to staff, draw process out

JC: ... not reporting back this fall; reluctantly looking at May or June next year

we're building portable in WV, and NV having trouble keeping their schools open; shd ask if in fact all within the catchment area

based on ability of schools to provide education

ask for permission; we can ask for information but if they're providing the information, they are entitled

where are these chn coming from?  not that I have a prob with that but how big is it going to grow?

VV: not as familiar with school system as Mr Smith

don't think...  don't know why not ... in portables ... having NV repatriated

not in favour of expanding system if [portables???]; do less poaching

JF: have been portables for many years; maybe part of ebb and flow

sure within our purview look out

not going to have visible impact, no parking (fewer driving); our elected sch bd is who we shd be turning to; this report enough for me to pass this

Mayor: grey area, in favour of expediting, but our

SJN: Sch Bd provides education and can WV go against legis?

sch hts, prop lines -- we'd have some say

cd probably ask them to demonstrate cannot provide; cannot xxxx

at some point in time, they have the right to.

CAO: the issue wd be...  did anticipate Ccl's asking... if discretionary education

if Ccl wanted info on trends, within Dist, foreign, NV, cd provide this next week, know SdhBd anxious

JF: have mtg with Sch Bd; put that on the agenda; why from other Districts

CAO: motion to staff to....subsequent joint mtg

MS: v important that ev understands we are involved in this

JF: and date to?  that's why I served there for eight years; but when you bring 1000 huge impact -- traffic, being driven in

found out with Cedardale, most parents' location of choice is on sch site

if going to evict all these progs from sch sites, impact, have to be upfront and deal with issue

JF: that's why called for a mtg

BOTH CARRIED

KP: operating under for some time; relative to facilities study; for next year

CAC has been doing a better and better job and we see them as excellent partners providing service at the Silk Purse, well used and attended

JF: agree, anticipate an even stronger role; attend one of the musical sessions there, joyous, particularly on a sunny day

new piano; Cheryl Karchut does a great job

KP: don't understand

Sop: we do ev for the bldg, and pay for telephone

KP: way done initially

Sop: see Cclr Smith's ears twitch; looking at ways to [pay cost?]

grown beautifully; when get into large numbers, when spread their wings

money from taxpayer, time to stop?

KP: don't think they'd come to you and ask stop; annual evaluation was asked but now clear part of the cultural; part of whole budget; not suggesting we back off; fill a v important niche, chamber music, certainly money well spent for the arts

KP: Josie is riding horses in southern Alberta not been thrown, getting eight emails a day wondering what's happening here

project moving along well; a bit off time but on budget at this point and no reason to think that won't continue but still some eight or nine months away from completion

nothing unusual

unusual predictable in last little while, around access -- been working on connection, atrium, had to eliminate entrance to Aq Ctr; will be cutting off passageway; looked for ways to avoid that but cdn't; Srs' ctr, you'll have to walk further than before

some parking solutions down the road, shuttle buses rather than having them driven there

if you go to Aq Ctr today you'll see two new exits/entrances

MS: not sure where to start

in the interests of consistency went back through the last few reports; folly to say alarm bells not going off

talk about LEED, drought resistant ....; not Arizona, don't know why

eight months, [contingency funds] down to $1M...

if means not painted inside, I'm prepared to live with that; not a dime more; final question, asked 20 times -- how are we going to pay?

$14M for landsales, Endowment Fund -- when?

how are we going to retire the bills that are going to come in as project is completed?

the alarm bells shd be going off, [decision?] has to be made; msg to staff, no suggestion we're going to spend any

CAO: in some cases we're reallocated... 90% done; v comfortable on budget; wrt parking, may have shortage; depends on usage

rather than just providing parking; in fall, report in fall

not concerned for need to provide any more permanent parking spots until we see ####

wrt funding, we've made it clear that $5.9M through land sales or the Endowment Fund threshold will have to be reduced; identified since project started, not changed

Sop: may I ask Mr Davis a question

Basil Davis, Project Mgr:

CAO: he can tell us why not

BD: we lost time about two quarters ago almost entirely b/c of weather

technical problems, got over surface and subsurface probs

trying to resolve least inconvenience to public

if leave to last moment wd clutter up front of the bldg

we have to get into that front lawn, terracing, etc,...

have to do it in the dry period; if in Feb, wd be damaging with pipes, heavy trucks coming in

the point re actual budget, when I did the last quarterly report, not in formula with guess

now later, some of these contingencies likely to end up; feel we can pull back to where we were before; v conservative approach

actual project in good shape, lost maybe a week since last qtr and chance of catching it up

wrt quality, ev main contract been a  fight, been a lot of substitution

panels down; if done by fixed sum we'd have really been unhappy

the way the present market is, can't say what's going to happen with trades, av, labour and what they feel like charging you; affecting everybody, just go down to convention ctr

Mayor: return, be more flexible with deadline ...

BD: ...cd have fee structure

2 and 3/4% whatever element at that time; trying to minimalize those two components

rather than rush it, we placed 90%, the only major one left is flooring

7 or 8%, small items washrooms; think we've broken the back of the mtg

JC: move mtg extended to end of 9

Mayor: 9 and end of QP

MS: do we need PQ?

{OOOO!  Cclr Smith.  Why wd you not want to hear residents who may have stayed waiting to speak?  Rather unsettling.  Good thing Mayor insisted on leaving PQP and the other cclrs did not support his reluctance to have Public Questions and Comments.  Last time it was cancelled while the Mayor was away, I think she stated that that wd not be done again.}

CAO: Item 8 re need for sp mtg

JF: will be v happy with the exception of one thing ...[pottery studio]; need some public discussion b/c been receiving letters

[potters rather go to] main [ctr] rather than travelling to Gleneagles; what wd cost be?

BD: in original budgeting

connection $1.4M to Srs; predicated trades on main bldg; none include going through to xxx

they were asking us to make  commitment up front, not later; problem

became part of $5M trying to get out; now found out more for Srs, bigger envelope; wdn't want to close down; so becomes bigger project

[cost wd be] $1.7 to 1.8M then have to add onto it envelope $$

JF: unlikely to proceed

BD: disastrous to do a pullback wdn't have got dollar for dollar

JF: then if Ccl reverses

not going to happen; three-dimensional studio, important to make

don't need, so cancelled

SSch: back to Item 7 mover and seconder

Day/Sop: moved/seconded

SSch: can we go back to Item 7 for mover and seconder?

Sop: wasn't moved

[Done/CARRIED]

Mayor:  I apologize.  Consent Agenda.

10.       Correspondence List [Receipt carries; Mayor says if want to comment, can next week]

11. REPORTS FROM MAYOR/COUNCILLORS [Mayor also says can do so next week]

Carolanne Reynolds: That's fine.  Sorry about that...sorry for missing that.  I do apologize to Cclr Smith, cuz if I'd commented then I wdn't be here now keeping you a bit longer.

Anyway, I want to thank you for the suggestion that was made that the Amb recommendations wd come in the fall and I wd like to ask for a few more things to make sure be made public b/c we want to speed this along.

if you recall with Ev Dr, although allowed to be .35 was .17, and so that was what ppl were taking into consideration when going to .75, so we wd like to know.

we need to know how much [of a difference] this is.  I don't think we're afraid of change, I think we want to feel we have some direction and input into the change and how much that change will be and [if/how] overwhelming.

Also, they keep talking about affordability of rental.  This is a big debate in this cmnty.  I have yet to find some devpr who is going to have rental accommodation that is not market value.  They've even firmly said-- when it came to Hollyburn Medical Bldg,

and he was asked wd it be affordable, he was honest and said it wd be market.  So I think affordability shd be defined b/c otherwise it means the M is subsidizing.  If the M wants to subsidize land for rental then that's one thing, but I think we shd know when that's going to be.

Mayor: I think Cclr F was referring to the introductory statement Dolly Cartwright made this evening.

CR: [Cclr F's] words were that they were/she was/ 'working on developing the vision', so that's--

so that's good; if this is going to be out [for public input], I'm really happy it's going to come back.

So, the cmte recommendations are going to be out, perhaps cd be put in Tidings and on the website so ppl can look at them over the summer.

The question later that Mr Gibbs asked, and you answered about nine nbrs--  It's happening in Upper Dundarave too and there are houses going in that are completely eclipsing other ppl, so I sympathize.  Some of the nbrs have asked questions, and what has come back is that many of the things that these ppl are doing as the resident mentioned, they're building to the max b/c they're speculators, not ppl who are going to live there.  They are building within the bylaw, so no requirement to contact the nbrs so that in NV when you say they had to contact nine nbrs -- were you able to do that or ask for that even if staying within the bylaw?

CR: Oh, my heavens!

Mayor: and that was in direct response to a HUGE cmnty outpouring in the Capilano Highlands area.

CR: okay, so if we have a HUGE--

Mayor: I don't think we can get into this now.

CR: no, no

Mayor: but I think--

CR: just wanted to understand that, and how it was done b/c that is happening and it is a concern in Upper Dundarave.

Mayor: yup, any further comments?

CR: tyvm

===  RECONVENED PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING AGENDA  =======

...  Then the PH/Public Mtg will be closed or if Ccl wishes a staff report, it will be reconvened at a given date.  If so three readings are scheduled in the regular ccl mtg that follows (Item 5); adoption then wd hv to be Wednesday probably.

7.         Animal Control Bylaw 4208, 2000 Amendment Bylaw No. 4520, 2007 - Horseshoe Bay Park Dog Control Designation for receipt, then to third reading.

=  for Public Correspondence (b/c of comparison of transcript with minutes)

=  for the Public Hearing (for more complete record) July 23

NB:  [...] indicates deletions

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2007 July 12

Dear Mayor and Council:

or

DRAFT/PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT; what was actually said (A) vs DWV PH MINUTES; what Ccl adopted (B) July 9

For the record, here is a draft transcript of what was said for a more complete report on what was said for Council's consideration at the Public Hearing June 25; attached are the DWV's minutes wch often do not indicate points of agreement and disagreement [...].  Since my notes are typed as people speak, there are some gaps and of course all names are best guesses, presumably correct in the DWV minutes.

If you compare what each speaker said with the official minutes that follow however, you will see the enormous difference and have a more complete picture of what was said in particular for and against, rather than using your imagination or deductions from the rather vague official "spoke relative to".

The minutes do not indicate that one speaker asked several times why a sign regarding development had not been put up earlier according to procedures, or the staff reply that they'd been asked to several  times.

Nowhere as far as I can see can anyone reading the adopted minutes tell the source of neighbours' concerns re enrolment (enrolment is in the minutes several [times] but not clear the relevance).  To wit, if Collingwood at Morven has a permitted enrolment of 600 but has at least 718, the concern for the neighbourhoods is over assurance that the Wentworth campus will stay within the limit on this campus.  That is not conveyed by saying "spoke relative to" enrolment, traffic, etc.

From the minutes you would not know that someone asked if Collingwood says they'll comply with their zoning conditions in 2010 once Wentworth is completed, why Council would not say instead once there's compliance at Morven then Wentworth would be considered, ie why reward non-compliance?

Another issue the public should know is that DWV (presumably staff, and it was said Council was unaware, though some think they are the ones [who] ought to be accountable -- we shall see) signed documents confirming that Collingwood/Morven was in compliance with all DWV bylaws (thus qualifying the school for millions of dollars of provincial grants) when in fact residents had told staff in 2004 or earlier that enrolment (zoning limits it to 600) had exceeded that permitted for some time -- over 700!).

...

A and B follow and then a final comment.

=== A === DRAFT/PARTIAL TRANSCRIPT, what = was actually said:

6.         APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION -- The applicant will be provided an opportunity to make a presentation.

Geri Boyle (Planning staff):  expansion of site to 17.5 acres; changing zoning from sgl-fam to accommodate school and new school Grades 6 to 8, separate bldg, two gymnasiums, cafeteria, field and artificial turf field

traffic; willingness to enter into a Good Nbr Pledge

requires closure and purchase of road from M; clearing

bldg requires variance for ht and for the retaining wall alongside the artificial turf field

the model has gone missing, not this one, but will have an overhead plan.

[Mayor explains conditions for speaking; MClerk lists notices, reports, submissions to date]

Platinum (applicant): My name is Hart Gunjan (sp???), representing Collingwood School.  We did have a model and for some strange reason it did not get here.

Slide of plan of Collingwood Middle School (Wentworth Campus) [points and explains] about 17-acre site; consists of five parcels; b/c of slope, an inground cafeteria; proposing a warm-up field plus an artificial turf field; parking as far away as we can, close to creek

30m setback from top of bank

to alleviate traffic concerns, have created circular interior drive, one-way, two lanes (one for dropoff, one for through); mitigates current traffic problems on Chairlift and Wentworth; created a drive aisle; traffic consultants

dropped 6ft from Wentworth location; lowering field to make sloped site flat, but have to take more out, advantageous to keep as fill on the site (artificial turf field, retaining wall alongside)

ht variance -- 2 inches lower than other school (peak of roof)

green solns, green roof, bioswales in parking lot to control runoff and type of runoff

largest constraint is the slopes, trying to balance cuts and fills; least impact on adjacent lands

Mayor: any questions, mbrs of Ccl?

[None]

>> Lynn LeFleuve (sp?): map got on Friday wasn't clear dropoff/circulation; not clear one-way

still many concerns, still a problem

everyone has to go round the roundabout, formerly fire lane, doubt ev will conform to that; simpler do what they currently do; wd be ignored b/c watched and almost all dropped off individually, usually in SUVs; many hundreds of chn, more Chairlift impact; and on 26th

just b/c they say they're going to be on buses -- isn't happening

did talk to planner; new internal road not deemed to be safe or not approp for parking

I think nothing more inapprop than parking on Chairlift

if brand new nice flat road, surely you cd put at least one lane of parallel parking -- and have parking on the road; doesn't look as if enough parking; not going to walk chn up; too far so much easier to be on Chairlift

they have a big bldg envelope

we had always hoped that 25th cd be put through some day; told repeatedly it was too steep -- wd be a really nice option

nbr says plan looks suspiciously like a highschool; the former first choice of making this the HSchool does not reserve and a switch effected, that's what they were looking for

Mayor: proposal that it will become a Middle School

Ans: worried about the future

[MODEL for proposed school arrives and is set up]

>> Kim Johnson: never spoken before Ccl before so let me know If I go beyond, will try to beat bell

comments wrt Apr 24th, May 28th report

wish to express my appreciation for Jim

good start, but not great, not good enough

TRAFFIC report May 28 says Traffic Mgr has reviewed plans and advises will significantly improve the existing traffic condition -- NO -- another bland comment, nice man, but....

at mtg said all schools have this problem

I followed up by submitting study of three schools in Vancouver to Jim

shd show trauma of kids hit by trucks and cars -- Lynn's v polite but we've all seen near-misses; we need to see one hit, one.  I had to take my child, a crying child to Chn's hospital

just got back from Beijing, jumped up on literature, and there's a WG, for Rodgers Crk, where a guy by the name of Tony McCallum (sp?) of Mulgrave sent a letter where he actually blasted the WG saying, "how cd you possibly put a tunnel for road access if we need more space?"

Now here's a fellow who probably wants to expand his campus and he's biting the hand of the ppl who will feed him.

I want to know why the headmaster of Collingwood who I found out lives in the worst part of road has done nothing, has avoided us -- go for walk

not good enough; get all chn safely on to Wentworth campus

says traffic/road permit has to be approved

on 30th I also wrote to Geri Boyle and Jim Bailey:

- to present a nbrhd policy/plan similar to St George's, York, and Crofton House

- to create the position of a nbrd relations mgr

- to facilitate a nbrhd cmte open to all nbrs and all mbrs of Collingwood

know a lot of families go to Collingwood, great friends of ours, and they don't want to see kids get hit

comprehensive traffic plan; a good-nbr pledge -- fifth strand, four on their website

not just speaking of another 280+, nor influx workers/construction, not senior students travelling to the fields

while away, my wife had the solution -- in the footprint

.... to consolidate all of the properties; suggest a ring road at the entrance to the site, near Marr Crk; second entrance and one xxx

similar to Stanley Park Drive; gated, circumnavigates; that park lane only opened up in morning and evening; remainder gated

primary purpose to get traffic on Collingwood prop

safety of chn but cd be a cross-country track for school; family walks, cycling, inline skating, section for street hockey, many seniors in area, cd walk; add into cycling program up to....

Mayor: we can invite you back

KJ: I understand

JC: can you trace on the drawing on the screen?

[He points it out, ring road, connection, explains it, calls it park]

Life is rarely simple and this is a complicated issue.

I support the concept of private schools -- there are good and bad private and public schools.  When Collingwood proposed replacing the school for 450 [in Glenmore] with one for 750, naturally the nbrhd was apprehensive.  Cclr Day and I were on Ccl then and the compromise was 600 with parking space requirements as well as provision of a shuttle bus to lessen the impact.

Assurances were given that the conditions included in giving the special upzoning wd be abided by -- besides it was the law.

We learned last week that even a fine of $1K or $100K is not a deterrent.  The document required signed by the Ministry confirming compliance released funds of over a million dollars.

While cognizant of some mitigation, it is hardly a compromise to allow the school to be in breach of its conditions of zoning for an additional three years in any case planned all along for Wentworth.

This is v disappointing for me, having supported the school's establishment while on Ccl and spending $3-4K at an initial fundraising auction in support.

No one influences my vote.  I have always acted in what I feel is objective, fair, and an enhancement.  The warning that powerful ppl were involved did not move me; [it was said Glenmore residents wd not be sending their children there -- ] and we see that despicable attitude on the part of some continue as they ignore a nbrhd that they don't live in, and students egg the cars of residents they think have complained.

They shd be offering to mow their lawns for free to make up for the disruption!

The zoning enrolment limitation to 600 has been blatantly ignored -- evidently with little or no fear of consequences -- and little use made of the shuttle buses.

The headmaster and a mbr of the board said they were unaware of the 600 limitation.  When did they find out?

Why did their sense of honour not move them to comply as soon as they found out, or rather the September of the coming year (b/c no one wd want to disrupt the year of education)?

There are spaces in schools in NV, and Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr is available, has space.

Mayor: Cd I ask you to comment on the Wentworth, although I understand they are related?

CR continues: Does it not require a public hearing in effect for Ccl to change a bylaw or zoning provision even for one year, let alone three?

Some got the impression that Collingwood was not prepared to decrease if they didn't get approval for Wentworth.  This is unfortunate.

The neighbours were even 'warned' when Wentworth is built the Morven campus wd no longer be a combined school so cd be a high school with no limit, ie cd go to 900, this is not true and is outrageous.  The pressure was unconscionable -- and it's no wonder there's some discontent in the nbrhd.

We all want to be proud of our schools in WV; each one offers something special.  Any pretence of superiority by a body that breaks the law and once caught just plans to continue doing so for the next three years is, to say the least, a disappointment.

Please understand my remarks are not meant in any way to diminish the good intentions and efforts of you, Madam Mayor, or of the negotiations facilitated by staff, and the goodwill with improved cooperation and consideration of the residents we have now -- but it shd not have come to this.

Please ensure that the conditions, environmental as well as access/traffic etc, are monitored with compliance as a prerequisite for special zoning and penalties that discourage infractions.  In view of the breaches we've heard lately re the noise bylaw and blasting bylaws, etc, it may be time to review WV's practices thoroughly.

And I remain astonished the District wd sign any provincial legal document confirming compliance, involving millions of dollars, without verifying or being obliged to.  It's incredible.  The lines of responsibility and accountability must be made clear -- if West Van's bylaws are to be taken seriously.

Thank you.

[applause]

>> Jack Shepherd (sp?): the solution -- cut back!

at Morven, no expansion wd be necessary

I'm representing homes here; real problem with runoff, think it will be life-threatening

look at slope, considerable; two years ago we had to put additional drainage in our back yard and seepage not over wall, coming under

noise pollution; we didn't build house to have a field built above house

if [that of] any of the ccl mbrs or the mayor -- you wd have concerns

[applause]

>> Ron LeTroy: live Chairlift Rd; concerns, when we bought, no designation of this school, looked at zoning of props around it, said RS1 zoning; two-lane road, there's no way of driving around that property from 8 to 9 in morning, and 2 to 3:30 in the afternoon on any given school day; in evenings, Parent-Teacher deals, parking on street any way, every way, on sidewalks

no concerns for anyone else getting in or out of that subdivision

too much traffic for this proposed new school, needs to be relocated need other place

no problem educating chn; must make better; Chairlift and Skilift a disaster; have to go down street and it's like Park Royal just before Christmas

[applause]

Mayor: don't have anyone else....

>> Dean Mailey: Chelsea Close; lot have been addressed already

these traffic issues are v real; safety issues real

came home 2:30 in afternoon and impossible to drive up Chairlift road and right up to school

how can emergency vehicles possibly get in or out when choked two and a half hours a day

high degree of construction with Taylor Outlook devt in full buildout now

urge you some sort of truck mgmt or policy so at least 50% routed over top of the hill so Chairlift not taking 100% of the truck traffic

>> Sherry Bahri: confirming what my nbr Mr Shepherd said

expect dbl, triple, at 8:30am going to work have to wait at Chairlift road 20, 25 minutes until someone gives me way; 100% against this expansion

>> Peter Joyce: principal with Bunt Assns, for Collingwood

had opp to meet with a number of the nbrs at sev mtgs held in indiv homes and at school itself

we've bn up there and documented the traffic

parking, parents turning around on Chairlift road problematic

we believe we're bringing a fix

on-site queueing -- for 45 cars, and have that number again on Chairlift

parents choosing not to get caught up thinking can avoid by staying off site

school kids directing traffic

more likely to get middle school kids to use bus; think more will be riding by bus

opening of the Chippendale Connector-- over 50% comes from Brit Prop to east

they can then come from there and exit there as well

Traffic mgmt plans for others, our firm did that for York and Crofton; willing to do that for Collingwood

>> Michael Noble (sp?): purchased home at 2536 Marr Crk Court exactly at entrance.  We bought that home overlooking a field with no knowledge of devt.  Asked questions about school about it today.  To find out today will be increased by several hundred students and to find about that many more cars passing by every day -- totally opposite of what we expected

Expansion of school is at expense of ppl in that nbrhd

>> Eileen Fubakdi (sp?): 22 Chairlift Road [that's my property there -- pointing]

Chairlift road narrow and steep, noise comes right up; v unpleasant

suffering

is there anyone who wd give fair market value for this prop?

Collingwood?

huge devaluation of my prop and all on Chairlift Rd

I have chn and I say they have to be out by half past 7

none of the devprs have offered to buy my prop

if they bought these props [pointing] they cd buy

>> Eleanor Maish (sp?): from Collingwood Sch Bd

wrt parking, this area is where kindergarten parents like to drop off chn and walk them in to school

someone mentioned hi school, at one time we looked into this at one point; was cost prohibitive

Bunt has been employed to do the traffic

want to develop a nbrhd pledge

want to assure ppl here that's Collingwood's commitment

Mayor: helps if you sign

>> Ken Porter: resident in the area for 15 years, seen a lot of changes

still stuck with it; led to believe it wd be done

>> Rick Malkin: 2295 Chairlift Rd and have for many years.  In fact when we moved there Chairlift Rd was called 26th; seen a lot of growth and changes

I live here [pointing]; and traffic is the big questions

traffic generated by the first, the existing, school

it far exceeded what we anticipated when we gave passing [agreement?] to this

the traffic in front of our place often obstructs our ability to go out on the road; we have a lot of parking and ppl sometimes park in our driveway

our concern is expansion, more schools, things have changed; we used to bicycle to school, three or four miles, now they all need SUVs

given a description how loop will reduce the traffic and I don't see how it will here [pointing]

won't reduce number of cars in that area; if school expanded, number of cars will increase

don't see an answer

we're just talking about cars but having tremendous number of children in one area

another problem is drainage: there were four streams across this property that were blocked off and directed into drains

fear for the ppl down here, it will drain down here [pointing]

traffic know answers thoroughly before going ahead and we have not heard answers this evening.

Mayor: using microphone helps TV, ppl at back of room, and

>> Maurice LaFleur: Chelsea Close.  I oppose this devt.

Ccl is contemplating developing 200+ acres up above, more traffic; don't understand how BPP can contemplate their billion-dollar enterprise -- down Chairlift

watched TV Ccl mtg last week and pretty disappointed -- pretty well gave approval [for Wentworth so C'wood complies 2010?]

The Planning Dept seems to have developed [special] zoning for C'Wood

skewed; this proposal, seven or eight years after, wd hv been good at that time

C'wood wdn't

skeptical these will be heard, surprised if they wd

back, take a bit of time

>> Connie Letroye (sp?): when we bought knew school was there

where we bought, quiet little cul de sac; no one wd know; we're still building it

get out of it now

ppl come down that road at 80mph, not Kmph, it's now a thoroughfare

come from Chippendale, down Chairlift, a wide large road ppl speed up and down

with expansion of the school at least 150 more cars coming down

have letters from nbrs upset who cdn't come

this circle won't help 21st, might help some of the congestion for a while

already spoken to Police and nbrs; they're appalled

buying on a quiet cul de sac and now ....

and now Chippendale, Oh my goodness

Mayor: looping through who've already spoken

> Kim Johnson: do I ever feel taken for granted

you did traffic for York? Collingwood

ppl, we're pretty docile, quiet

I have a two and a half year old now and can't walk him any more

Bunt's got to do a better job

went to a couple of mtgs, but at Collingwood; this is the first time we can talk about our concerns -- so shd have a nbrhd cmte

this was a great plan for six, seven, years ago

if you can't come up with plan for 825 cars then some construction, you gotta tell 'em no

keep it zoned for residential low density

>> Man (representing C'wood's interests): we did a mailout, 350m at request of city

Mayor: debate will come when Ccl debates

Man: do intend a Gd Nbr Pledge

a Nbrhd Cmte today, start resolving as moving things forward

as done for York and some other private schools

this is a solution for problem that exists there today

echo pledge on behalf of school; establish nbrhd cmte, have some experience with this

want to take that on and talk with our nbrs

make sure we are good nbrs; a nbrhd cmte

>> Lady: no devt sign up; it was my nbr who told me

called City Hall and spoke to someone named Jim and he said there was a sign there; said we told them a couple of times

well one just went in a couple of days ago

so just how ......

why doesn't the school have to?  we have to when we do

Mayor: Ms Boyle, why not there?

GB: have to check

Lady: just went up; why not rezoning sign [before]?

if they're such good nbrs, look at the landscaping there -- old buddleia, been there for years, is this the best they can do?

First Lady: it doesn't really matter about the traffic plan, circulation is whatever it is; Skilift and Chairlift just cannot handle that amount of traffic

they say 25th can't come through

we had mtgs a couple of years ago, another type of improvement; never a rep from the school, they had facilitators, not from school just ppl who worked for therm

JF: have some questions about the numbers at the school

had proposed a diff bylaw at Morven for numbers down, any listing for this school?

might address some of the concerns

GB: the proposed is a zone specific to it

JF: re artificial turf, lights planned?

GB: draft does not include approval for lights; applicant wd hv to come back

Mayor: close or ask for staff report?

VV: wd move we have a further report

hear experts saying traffic saying being provided for but hear what public is saying

if too difficult now, does nothing to solve that problem so I'm not convinced

if debate with experts, whatever

if we can have a report from staff

Mayor: capacity of roads?

JF: I do, about field, retaining wall, runoff

perhaps a diff or better site for the field? or parking lot? distancing it from existing homes

buffering from sound and runoff

Mayor: anything else? adjourning PH to?

VV: understand our last ccl mtg is July 23, is that approp?

GB: Brent? 16th or 23rd to answer those questions?

Brent Dozzi: no prob with traffic, but geotechnical issues

Mayor: read motion as printed at bottom of page, No 8

[VV does so]

...THAT Staff report back to Council regarding the June 25, 2007, Public Hearing and Public Meeting re Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4517, 2007 and Development Permit Application No. 06?034 (re:  Collingwood School - Wentworth Campus, West Vancouver); and that the Public Hearing and Public Meeting be adjourned to July 23rd in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.

July 23rd

SSch: 7pm

MS: think it's a bit vague to say report back

think we shd be more specific

why geotech studies -- when approved assumed approval from engineers

why have staff charging out on non-existent walls

seems to me traffic, egress ramp from highway, shd confine staff report to major concerns wch is traffic

ask Police, same question I asked when I went to Morven, why streets blocked for 40 minutes and no one can get through, where were police?

Mayor: each mbr has right to

CAO: likely the enquiry we'd make was with consultant to see if adequate

don't think a significant task; depends how broad

Mayor: haven't articulated that in motion

enough direction; in a couple of weeks

address issues raised tonight

=== B === DWV PUBLIC HEARING/MEETING MINUTES  -- JUNE 25, 2007

APPLICANT'S PRESENTATION

H. Hoonjan (Applicant) presented the application, referred to a site model and described the subject application and its components.

PUBLIC INPUT

The Mayor called for Public Input. [Pls note in place of Mayor Goldsmith-Jones, this reads Mayor.]

L. Lafleur (2007 Chelsea Close) spoke relative to her concerns regarding traffic, insufficient infrastructure on Chairlift Road, the lack of buses and on-site parking.

K. Johnson (2696 Chelsea Place) spoke relative to his concerns regarding traffic congestion, traffic safety, parking issues, and proposed an alternate ring road to assist in managing traffic.

C. Sheppard (2179 Chairlift Place) spoke in opposition to the application and spoke relative to his concerns regarding the number of students at the Morven Campus, run-off issues, slope stability, drainage and seepage under rock walls, and noise pollution.

R. LeTroy (2575 Chairlift Place) spoke relative to his concerns regarding traffic congestion and parking and his opposition to the application

The Mayor noted that there was no one else on the Speakers' List and asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

D. Mailey (2790 Chelsea Close) spoke relative to his concerns regarding traffic congestion, traffic safety, emergency vehicle access, the high degree of construction in the area, the need for a truck management program, and the relations between Collingwood School and the neighbourhood.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

S. Bahri (2185 Chairlift Place) spoke in opposition to the application, supported the comments made by C. Sheppard and spoke relative to her concerns about traffic.

Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

P. Joyce (Principal of Bunt and Associates Engineering Limited) explained that his firm was engaged by Collingwood School's traffic management plans.

Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

M. Noble (2536 Marr Creek Court) spoke relative to his concerns regarding noise, high student enrolment and traffic congestion and the impact the school's expansion will have on the neighbourhood.

E. Van Wyk (2222 Chairlift Road) spoke relative to her concerns regarding traffic congestion, noise and the devaluation of area properties.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

E. Minish (Vice Chair of Collingwood School Board) spoke in support of the application and spoke relative to proposed parking facilities, whether a secondary school would be developed in the future, Collingwood School's commitment to work with the traffic consultants and School's good neighbour pledge.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

K. Porter (2616 Chairlift Road) spoke relative to his concerns regarding traffic and commented relative to the relationship between Collingwood School and the neighbourhood.

R. Malkin (2295 Chairlift Road) spoke relative to his concerns regarding traffic, parking drainage and the impact on property values, and commented that there shouldn't be a larger school that will further impact the neighbourhood.

M. LaFleur (2770 Chelsea Close) spoke in opposition to the application and spoke relative to his concerns regarding the size of the proposed expansion and traffic issues, and concerns raised by neighbours.

The Mayor whether there was anyone else who wished to address council.

C. LeTroy (2575 Chairlift Road) spoke relative to her concerns regarding traffic safety, speeding on Chairlift Road, and the approval process for the application.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council for the first time and there was no response.  The Mayor invited members of the public who wished to speak for a second time.

K. Johnson (2696 Chelsea Place) spoke for a second time relative to his concerns regarding traffic and the impact of additional students at the school, Collingwood School's relations with neighbourhood and the need to establish a neighbourhood committee.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

C. Sheppard (2179 Chairlift Place) spoke for a second time relative to his concerns regarding drainage, the safety of slopes and the retaining wall that will be above his property.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

H. Hoonjan (Applicant) spoke for a second time relative to the public notification, discussions with the neighbourhood and the traffic issues and the plan for a middle school.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council.

R. Wright (Head of Collingwood School, 2606 Wentworth Avenue) spoke relative to Collingwood School's plans to establish a neighbourhood committee, discussions with the neighbourhood and the good neighbour pledge.

C. LeTroy (2575 Chairlift Road) spoke for a second time relative to her concerns regarding notification for development applications and landscaping at the subject property.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wanted to address Council.

L. Lafleur (2770 Chelsea Close) spoke for a second time relative to her concerns regarding traffic and Collingwood School's communications with the neighbourhood.

The Mayor asked whether there was anyone else who wished to address Council and there was no response.

Council commented and queried relative to the District's bylaws regarding student enrolment and restrictions regarding changing elementary schools to secondary schools, and issues regarding the artificial turf field and lighting.

G. Boyle (Manager of Planning) noted the provisions of the Zoning Bylaw relative to student enrolment and permitted use for the zone, and that the field did not include lights.

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THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER.

WHILE I SUPPORT COLLINGWOOD AS A PRIVATE SCHOOL, IT IS ASSUMED THAT THE SCHOOL WOULD OPERATE WITHIN THE LAW AND EXPANSION WOULD BE DONE WITH CONSIDERATION FOR THE NEIGHBOURHOOD, THUS SEEN AS THE DESIRABLE ELEMENT IN OUR COMMUNITY THAT I'M SURE IT IS.

IT IS CLEAR COMMITMENTS MADE OUGHT TO BE KEPT.

OPTIMAL WOULD BE THAT THE SCHOOL BE VIEWED AS SUCH AN ASSET THAT A NEIGHBOURHOOD WOULD WANT IT.  THAT'S THE GOAL FOR AN AMICABLE QUALITY COMMUNITY WITH RESPECT FOR ALL.

[sig: Carolanne Reynolds, Editor, WVM]

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[Courtesy of Michael Quinion, of World Wide Words]

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It's that time of year again!  Don your best chapeau and prepare to sip by the seaside!   Celebrating

Dundarave Park (foot of 25th) in West Vancouver, BC

Reservations@royaltea.ca or call 604 922 4400

tix/donation $5

Sign and send greetings to Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth II

Listen to the bagpipes!

Official Remarks around 3pm.  The Bard himself will be there in spirit and may even appear this year!

Please --

Join us for tea and goodies at the foot of 25th to celebrate our heritage. This is the eighth annual RoyalTea -- the first was to celebrate the Queen Mother's 100th birthday on 2000 August 4th.

Bring memorabilia for the display table.   Let me know if you'd like to tell its story.

Buy a videotape ($5) of the royal visit in 1939 and of previous RoyalTeas.

Listen to the music of some pipers from the JP Fell Pipe Band, West Vancouver's official pipe band.

Wear a fancy hat and win a gift certificate (three!) from Eleanor Mack, Milliner, for another one!

An estate tea from the 'Raj' will be served.

Conceal a flaw, and the world will imagine the worst.

                -- Martial (Marcus Valerius Martialis)

Where is the wisdom we have lost in knowledge? Where is the knowledge we have lost in information?

                -- T. S. Eliot (1888-1965)

Failure is the opportunity to begin again more intelligently

                -- Henry Ford

If you have made mistakes, even serious ones, there is always another chance for you.

What we call failure is not the falling down but the staying down.

                -- Mary Pickford

Appeal, v.t. In law, to put the dice into the box for another throw.

                -- Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary (1906)

The only way to keep your health is to eat what you don't want, drink what you don't like, and do what you'd rather no.

                -- Mark Twain