West Van Matters - WVM2007-27: Ccl NOTES Sept 10; AGENDA Sept 17; Calendar to Sept 27th

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>>> LUCIANO PAVAROTTI

HE REMEMBERED the moment it began, at four years old: jumping on the kitchen table, setting the lamp swinging, singing "La donna =E8 mobile" to an audience of adoring women. His father sang, beautifully, as a tenor in the church in Modena; the soaring voices of Gigli and Caruso filled the house from the crackling gramophone; at the cinema Mario Lanza sang and young Luciano Pavarotti copied him, warbling and gesturing into the mirror. To sing was to be loved. [For the rest, go to:]

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=== UPDATE -- New Police Chief Sworn in

Dignified Swearing-In Ceremony for Chief Constable Kash(mir) Heed

Sept 12 at Kay Meek Ctr wch was about 3/4 full on a Wednesday morning.

While awaiting the start (yes, I actually arrived before it started), a pianist played -- I was intrigued as she played the Beatles' tune "I believe in yesterday".

Bagpiper piped those on the stage in. Mikayla Sager, lovely voice, sang O Canada.

Odd the Mayor was introduced referring to openness and accountability (I'm not necessarily implying she isn't, just that it's not usually mentioned at such an event, and may explain some later speakers speaking of others and saying they weren't running for office).

After messages from cmnty leaders, 'blessings' were given by Dennis Joseph (Squamish Nation, peace stick), Dr Syad Javad Hejazi (Muslim, with Koran, remarks also in English and French), and Giani Pratap Singh (Sikh in Punjabi).

Remarks from the Honourable Wally Oppal, Attorney General included best wishes as well as facts including 25% of BC is now visible minorities and a story of an immigrant coming to his office when he was a lawyer. After learning the legal fee, he asked how much for the judge. Mr Oppal had to explain nothing for the judge, that's not the way we do things here. Then, jokingly said that once he was a judge he was disappointed to find out it was true.

The Mayor explained that the Police Board operates at arm's length from Ccl and almost all of Ccl was present. She went on to say that Chief Heed is driven, respected, and already hard at work.

Chief Heed revealed that his wife grew up in West Vancouver. He said his door is always open and he is working on a strategic plan understandable to all: officers, Council, and public. He will use the COMSTAT system, and his three-year corporate biz plan includes partnership and information exchange. Chief Heed added that he is willing to accept the consequences of actions and results.

The ceremony ended with Squamish Nation dancers and a reception.

{We all wish the new Police Chief well.}

=== CALENDAR to Sept 27th === [M Hall unless otherwise noted; ongoing at end]

REMEMBER the Farmers' Markets:

Saturdays: Dundarave 10am - 4pm; Sundays: Ambleside (14th/Bellevue) 11am - 3pm

*** 2007 North Shore Heritage Weekend ***

North Shore Heritage Weekend is a celebration of heritage from Deep Cove to Horseshoe Bay that occurs every September. This year's North Shore Heritage Weekend takes place from September 14th through 16th, at various North Shore venues. [Details were in WVM2007-26]

See www.dnv.org and www.cnv.org and www.westvancouver.ca/heritage for full information on all events.

Besides the classic/collectible car display (over 100 cars), there are port/harbour tours, trolley bus tours, antique collections, and more!

+++ LIGHTHOUSE PARK PRESERVATION SOCIETY

~ 9am - noon ~ IVY PULLS -- Saturday, September 15th & Saturday, September 29th,

We pull for three hours, but if you can come for only an hour please join us. Dress for the weather in old clothes and bring work gloves. Meet at the upper kiosk in the parking lot.

== Sat Sept 15th

~ 9am - noon ~ N Sh Stroke Recovery Ctr "Stride for Strokes" (John Lawson Park)

== Sun Sept 16th

~ 9am - 1pm ~ Terry Fox Run (Ambleside Park): Run, walk, wheel the seawall

Registration 8am; info 1 888 836 9786; visit www.terryfoxrun.org

~ 11am - 4pm ~ North Shore Gardens Tour -- Info: 984 9730, www.naturalgardenstour.com

== Tues Sept 18th

~ 6:30pm ~ Cmnty Dialogue on Nbrhd Character and Housing

== Wed Sept 19th

~ 10am ~ Cmnty Engagement Cmte

~ 7pm ~ Library Board at Library

~ 7pm ~ Bd of Variance

== Thurs Sept 20th

~ 5:30pm ~ Police Bd mtg in Ch of Commerce Boardroom

~ 5:30pm ~ Rodgers Crk WG -- CANCELLED

~ 6pm ~ N Sh Family Court & Youth Justice Cmte at CNV M Hall

~ 7:30pm ~ WV Streamkeeper Society AGM at St Stephen's (885 - 22nd Street)

== Fri Sept 21st

~ 8:45am ~ Arts & Culture Strategy Implementation WG

OUR SHORELINE

The Vancouver Aquarium's TD Canada Trust Great Canadian Shoreline Cleanup takes place every September across the nation. Clean-up groups are already organized in West Vancouver by concerned citizens, Irwin Park School, BC Ferries, and UBC Aqua Society. They'll be cleaning up a number of our beaches on September 21st and you can pitch in and help out. Visit www.vanaqua.org/cleanup to find out more about clean up initiatives in West Vancouver.

== Sat Sept 22nd == The Chamber of Commerce moves its office to: 1846 Marine Drive; tel number remains the same.

== Tues Sept 25th ~ 7pm ~ Cmnty Service Providers Forum

== Wed Sept 26th

~ 6pm ~ Cmnty Consultation Mtg re Proposed Redevt 24th & Marine at Irwin Park School

~ 7pm ~ WV Historical Society mtg at Srs' Ctr: The Heritage Home in WV

Peter Miller of the North Shore Heritage Preservation Society (re preserving historic/distinctive bldgs in NV and WV); Stephen Mikicich, Sr WV Planner (The Heritage Strategic Plan and the WV Heritage Register); and a film presented by Dr Olga Kempo ("Margaret Martin Built a House", the story of an Edmonton home restored to its 1907 grace).

~ 7:30pm ~ Child Care Services WG

== Thurs Sept 27th

~ 4:30 - 6:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte [MOVED to Oct 4]

~ 5 - 7pm ~ NSACDI, CNV M Hall

~ 5:30pm ~ Rodgers Crk WG -- PROBABLY!

+++ SFU Courses

Sept 21: Designing Environments which Reduce Crime, SFU Surrey. Instructors including Mary Beth Rondeau, a development planner with the City of Vancouver, will highlight new theory based on the field of environmental criminology and will focus on the application of new approaches to design through interactive examples. Details/Register: http://www.sfu.ca/city/course1popup.htm

Sept 28-29: Urban Design: Theory and Practice: http://www.sfu.ca/city/course2popup.htm

+++ CHAMBER OF COMMERCE CORNER [926 6614; www.chamber.westvan.org]

== Wed Sept 19th

~ 7:30 - 9am ~ Networking Breakfast at Hollyburn Country Club, 900 Cross Creek Rd

The 2008 Canada Post Freestyle Grand Prix is a large event which will impact our community in many positive ways. It will be a precursor event to the 2010 Olympics and offer the business community on the North Shore the opportunity to prepare for and get the most out of the 2010 Olympics.

SPEAKER: Bruce Robinson, COO of the Canadian Freestyle Association.

Cypress Mountain will be the site of the 2008 Canada Post Freestyle Grand Prix Feb. 8-10, 2008. This event has our athletes take on the best in the world in different events, such as the [Aerials]. [Aerials] are not for the faint of heart, with the athlete hitting the jumps at speeds of 60 km and launching 50 feet in the air. Other events include the fast pace of mogul racing. Athletes, spectators and media will be descending on our community for this world-class event. He will speak about the opportunities and celebrations that are to take place in West Vancouver. It's an opportunity for you to be part of the discussion.

Breakfast is sponsored by Canada Post Corporation; $25 for mbrs, $35 non-mbrs; see the website for details and to register.

== Wed Sept 26th

~ 5 - 7pm ~ Member Showcase at Steamworks

The event is located in the private room at the back of the restaurant. STEAMWORKS will be providing delicious complimentary appetizers, and there is a full no-host bar. There will also be door prizes. FREE - RSVP required for appetizer preparation

+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY

+ MAKING AN IMPRESSION: PRINTMAKING -- September 11-29

Heather Aston, Marie Price, Rina Pita, William Steinberg, Ingunn Kemble, Marja-Leena Rathje, Patricia Baldwin, Valerie Metz, Susan Campbell, Arnold Shives, Jane Adams,Peter Kiss, Tanya Gleave, Gillian Armitage, Michiko Suzuki, Wayne Eastcott, Ross Penhall, Gordon Smith

OPENING RECEPTION: 6 - 8pm Tues, Sept 11 ~~~ ARTISTS' TALK: 2 - 3pm Sat, Sept 15

+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++

* FRIENDS OF THE LIBRARY BOOK SALE

- Mbrs-only SALE 6:30 - 8:30pm Thursday Sept 20th (mbrships $10, av at the door)

- BOOK SALE 10am - 4pm Sat (21st) and Sun (22nd)

* Doc TALKS -- A Documentary & Discussion

The Future of Food -- Unravels the complex web of market and political forces that are changing the nature of what we eat. Discussion moderated by Harry Greenwood. No registration required.

Thursday, Sept. 27, 6:30 pm, Peter J. Peters Room

+++ WV MUSEUM +++

Binning and Billaux, A Place in Art History -- Exhibit to Oct 27

Saturday September 15th

1 pm Talk and Guided Tour on Binning and local landscape

3:15pm Talk on Jane Billaux; 4 - 6 pm Opening reception:

The Black Slip -- The Paintings of Jane Billaux (to October 27, 2007)

West Vancouver is home to numerous artists drawn to its spectacular landscape, forested slopes, and proximity to both the mountains and ocean. B.C. Binning, a key figure in the development of modernism on the West Coast of Canada, created numerous lyrical drawings inspired by local landscapes and scenes. Jane Billaux, who moved to Canada from England in the 1930s, painted local people and places over her long career.

+++ WV ARTS COUNCIL +++ visit www.silkpurse.ca for events (most ticketed)

---> For events at KMC, see www.kaymeekcentre.com

here's one coming soon but unfortunately on a ccl mtg night:

*** Movies at the Meek *** $10 per screening; buy tickets to the complete series and save 20%

PARTITION

Monday, September 24 (7:30pm) Special guest: Vic Sarin, film director.

PARTITION, featuring an international cast and shot in British Columbia and India, is an epic historical film and a heartbreaking love story set amid the turbulent political and religious backdrop of India in the 1940s. At the end of the Second World War, 38-year-old career soldier Gian Singh resigns his commission with the British Indian Army and returns to his childhood village, near the border with Pakistan. He is haunted by the memories of war and seeks a quiet life of farming, solitude, and prayer. His peace is shattered in August 1947, however, when India is granted independence. A new border is drawn between Hindu-dominated India and Muslim-dominated Pakistan, and the region is torn apart by massacres fuelled by ancient animosities. In the midst of one such massacre, Gian finds Naseem, a 17-year-old Muslim girl, and takes her under his protection. They gradually find themselves drawn to each other but, as their remarkable story plays out, the obstacles to their happiness prove all but insurmountable.

"A balanced depiction of both Muslim and Sikh roles in the historical upheaval and the way it so lovingly evokes India's way of life, from its dusty rural farming traditions to the colour-drenched Festival of Holi. Vancouver-shot sets meld seamlessly with the South Asian settings." Georgia Straight

=== WV Council Mtg NOTES Sept 10 ===

CALL TO ORDER -- Mayor's remarks regarding R. Harrison (1914 - 2007).

West Vancouver has lost a pioneer and a man who defined the word CITIZEN.

On behalf of Council, it is with regret that I inform you of the passing of Rupert Harrison, in August, at 93 years of age.

Rupert was a lifetime resident, community volunteer, and municipal employee.

Rupert had been a West Vancouver resident since 1928, when he began attending West Vancouver High School. Even as a high school student he demonstrated his willingness to contribute to the community. He was involved in a number of school activities including being a charter member of the West Vancouver High School Band.

He then went on to join the West Vancouver United Church choir, the Hollyburn Versatile Players theatre group, the Vancouver Little Theatre group, and for two decades was a Sunday School teacher at West Vancouver United Church. He also served as a member of the Board of Elders at the Church for 24 years. Rupert was also a charter member of the West Vancouver Rotary Club, its first president, and attended every meeting for 54 years!

Rupert began his career with the District in 1938 as a cashier, typist, and tax record keeper. In 1943 he was appointed as the Municipal Clerk and secretary/treasurer of the cemetery board.

In the 1950s Rupert:

Was offered a position as Deputy Minister of Municipal Affairs (but declined)

Was the president of the provincial Municipal Officers' Association

Began 26 years as a Justice of the Peace

Began 25 years as a member of the Board of Examiners in municipal administration.

Rupert retired from municipal service in 1979. That same year he was named Man of the Year by the West Vancouver Chamber of Commerce. In 1980 he returned to the District as a part-time historian. He retired from that position in 1998 (totalling 60 years of fulltime and part-time employment with the District).

In 1987, the District's 75th anniversary, Rupert was presented with an Achievers Award.

Those who worked with Rupert remember him with a smile always on his face and he always had time to stop and say hello. To the delight of employees and volunteers with whom he worked, he had quite a wit, which he often shared.

Rupert has been a legend in the municipality and leaves a tremendous legacy for the community in his dedicated work and volunteerism.

With Rupert's passing, the community has lost one of its gems.

On behalf of Council, we send our condolences to Rupert's family.

RD: along with you, attended memorial for Rupert Harrison

essentially set up, dedicated part of his house, to maintaining our records -- we weren't v gd about keeping our records

two rooms, files, in 1980s set up Archives, GLH became Museum and Archives

37 years as M Clerk and 19 years as archivist

this M owes him a great deal -- kept much and many artifacts intact

amazing an individual cd attend Rotary mtgs for 52 years, not missing one, elder with church and didn't miss those either

person of place, family, church, deep roots

{As you read in earlier enews, I attended as well and wrote in last WVM. His garden was well-known. BTW, it wd hv bn his 68th wedding anniversary soon after. A great loss. WV owes him a great debt of gratitude.}

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

Amendments: item 4 add'l correspondence; item 5 add'l corresp; item 7, letters; item 8 supplementary info; item 10 change to ccl mtg schedule

VV: may I add to agenda: Hugo Ray Park and the M Calendar on the website

Mayor: reports, no one else knows what that is about

VV: number of things in cmnty re Hugo Ray Park; has been an applic for funding from prov; get info, maybe public wd like to hear

Mayor: have asked for a status report

CAO: intended for next week on all the things that have happened

Sop: I wd second Cclr V's additions to agenda

Mayor: ask for agreement of rest of Ccl?

SSch: cd do that as a friendly amendment

Mayor: second item was

VV: Calendar, appearing on website; as Ccl had previously [decided/requested]; need a resolution, shall appear

CAO: a number of ways; right now it goes to another link

as we add new items, drops to another page

trying to do that; it is one click away

Sop: bn making these recommendations for openness

conversation brought to Ccl next week/meeting?

Mayor: tomorrow

Sop: CEC mtg tomorrow

Mayor: Day's motion first, then Hugo Ray

Sop: Point of order, amendment first

Mayor: either way

in favour of adding Hugo Ray: in favour, opposed?

I've called twice

MS: was reading something else, was not paying attention but if Ccl wants to hear

Mayor: tied, and will vote in favour

HR on, Calendar next Monday

{UPDATE: by now you know that by that next afternoon the Cmnty Calendar was on the righthandside list -- GREAT

but it shdn't have taken months to have it there after the policy had been set months ago. Most grateful Vivian (seconded by Bill) brought it up in public -- perhaps a result of the delays and frustration but at least it got action.}

7;13

2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES: July 16, 23, 25

3. DELEGATION: D. Cartwright regarding North Shore Volunteers for Seniors

DC: non-profit society on the NSh; promote the independence and well-being of seniors, esp those frail; in existence for 46 years

av age is 85 years -- now classified as super seniors (80% women)

transportation and socialization an issue; have to reach out, we've done that

two part-time employees who administer the office and organize the volunteers.....

60 to 70 regular volunteers and a number of occasional volunteers

lunches, puzzles; monthly bus trips to destinations in Vancouver and on the NSh: popular since many no longer drive -- Grouse Mtn, Stanley Park, etc, and btw, they love the Sylvia Hotel

respite for a housebound family mbr taking care of them

referrals from geriatric outreach prog of Vancouver Health

volunteers needed: wanting someone to talk to, some men want to discuss the war, play bridge/poker

Deep Cove to Horseshoe Bay; visited care facilities; Health Region own programs so that's why now we do one-to-one

urgently need volunteers; pls call 922 1575

volunteer and senior both enjoy the experience

Volunteer application plan; pls help us to keep seniors at home for as long as possible

Sop: our volunteers the greatest treasure we have, many at srs' ctr, Coho Festival

Mayor: I've volunteered a few times

DC: yes, you have

Mayor: I played the piano a bit too loudly

JF: thanks too; note you have an email address and that might save time

DC: just got it, and we will be putting it up so ppl can get it if they need to

one-to-one, you do have to have a criminal check

JF: if I cd give it: NSVS@telus.net

7:23

REPORTS

4. Development Permit Application 06?015 for a [Two-Lot] Subdivision at 4249 Rockbank Place

At the July 25, 2007 meeting, Council received the report dated July 12, 2007 from the Manager, Community Planning titled "Development Permit Application No. 06?015..."....

CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT

Mayor: one mbr asking to speak, David Grierson {Greerson? don't know spelling}

SJN: at one time I had a conflict of interest b/c of a nbr.... so will ask Geri Boyle to come up

DG: My wife and I live South and we have a number of concerns

b/c of position on top of 20ft cliff above us, we see it as altering landscape and character

request an add'l 4ft setback, and appreciate that but when you see a four-storey house on top of a cliff

better than nothing but we ask for more

we have a v contemporary house we didn't build it, built in 90s, glass so it's an issue of privacy

we have twin three-year-old daughters and have this deck

feel privacy will be negatively impacted

third point is that we rec'd notice of this mtg around Aug 23/25. I went immediately to geotechnical engineers I know if they cd do a report, and report back in time and they just laughed; no possibility can be done in that time

not saying I disagree problem, just wd be more comfortable if opportunity to check

we were going to hire one last year and Planning pointed out no point spending the money then if you don't know if it will be approved or if that will be the plan

request 45 days to look at it and do what's necessary

asked to see the principle elevations to get a much better assessment; floor plans good but only two dimensions and elevations three dimensions and better idea

I was told not part of the process, no right

to me that doesn't make any sense; point of clarification

I don't feel the subdivision is in the public interest

the more I think of this WV has beautiful spectacular lots, maybe you've done this, but have a survey take these lots carve them up and I have a strong suspicion residents wd say we don't like that at all

This is not in particular to do with the Dowlings

Sop: this is for a subdivision?

GB: that's correct; steep terrain so in order for the subdivision cd take place

Sandy Dowling: thank you

technical expert, our daughter

eight years and come to love the area; house too small, daughter's allergy

renovating not viable

real estate reps' advice build as big as possible 11Ksf but then we'd have to sell b/c we cdn't afford to keep it

better to subdivide and build two houses; our existing lot is three times the allowable lot

probably the smallest house in the nbrhd

NSNews had article about monster houses

Clovelly-Caulfeild [nbrhd]

contacted our nbrs and held two open houses

tailored our plans; have received letters of support

with the exception of one small variance for each there is nothing not allowed

small house

my husband is an architect and LEED-certified; Gregg has designed the house to the natural terrain allowing lower height, reducing need for rock removal

had a comprehensive geotechnical study done: safe and will provide benefits to nbrs

have considered nbrs' views and privacy

10 to 16ft below floors of houses behind us

the only other nbr is below us to the south; they asked for three changes: move driveway,

so they cd sell their house before we started building -- we have set back further and turned house further to the east although this will affect our view

Arthur Mudry design of their house

believe more sympathetic, believe more sustainable approach

Sop: want to clarify: this is a panhandle lot and by bylaw we don't allow that

is it by interpretation?

GB: at first blush it looks like one but what distinguishes this is that the panhandle is simply road frontage wch is what makes it a non-panhandle lot

Sop: road frontage on their property?

Mayor: other from public; it is important but during discussion

JF: on p 66 sustainable design and smartgrowth, and there's photovoltaic and what's that

Greg Dowling: one of applicants. It's a solar panel

Mayor: Bill Chapman?

BChapman: asked to put names down in case questions, just technical

Sop: was shown the site

the variances requiring minimal; interesting part of driveway on M land so that's a third variance

if you deduct off driveway you're under 12Ksf and that's under the requirement

BChapman: will give you the exact number, give me a second.........

still 145ft over without the panhandle -- 12,144

Sop: panhandle

BChapman: called it that b/c Cclr Sop mentioned that

Sop: road alignment but it's on a driveway, parallel to a road so what makes it different?

GB: examples in M parallel with road and it's dealing with steepness so can get there

Sop: did see effort by owners, saw where house going to sit; variances minor; little bit of driveway on M prop and sheds

the two-car garage cd hv bn put toward the front of the prop; then b/c of slope it wd appear to be four-storey

props behind elevated much higher

if they didn't have these variances, wd they have the right to have this subdiv as stated?

GB: probably remove that and leave as parking slab; the second the applicant has agreed to set back wch we think in M's interest; third, this is improvement to conforming garage

Sop: wrt Mr Grierson, do think about nbrhd's affected

applicant going to have to submit building plans to Ccl for approval?

GB: no; just with Devt Permit wch is before you now

Sop: geotech?

GB: it's attached to permit; does provide prior to issuance have to provide for slope maintenance and protection for properties

Sop: netting for falling rock? doesn't say

GB: recommends maintenance along steep rock where originally cut years ago

if no agreement during construction phase, then netting

Sop: is there a statement within the bylaws about the panhandle that we can now call this a road alignment or is this an interpretation by staff?

BChapman: I did a panhandle study for the M back in the 70s, hate to admit it

generally it's to get to a home behind.

it's not a panhandle but we've used the panhandle policy to come to Ccl before

try to have enough width

study in 70s found that 98% of the adjacent owners preferred a panhandle between them than houses side by side

look forward, think it's a vital tool that's been missing for 35 years

it's not to get to a home behind

the minor variance is so can control driveway and have landscaping

nbr here gave me verbal approval this afternoon but unable to give me a letter

we're trying to save this tree [points to plan on screen]

want these two trees protected even after built

live in this home while building the other

cd narrow access and not require variance; trying to be green

Nbr Palfrey concerned, trading 8ft for 12ft; tucks in so less visible with variance

My clients won't raise house any higher

ev has bn done to minimize rock volume; 350 cu m permitted and anticipate less than 150 cu m

123 shows where garage cd be as an accessory structure; by tucking underneath minimal blasting then not visible to any of nbrs; four storeys but to reduce visibility

all the trees that show on here exist on site, with the exception of three to replace two to be taken out

Dowling: four storeys but bottom is garage

[pointing] this part not seen by nbrs

topmost floor is terraced back; small part beyond main floor

......appearance wd be a sgl-storey house with second partway back

MS: why if an encroachment agreement nec, why the financial terms not in report

GB: routine, dealt with administratively and only charge to carry them out

MS: getting off topic so will shut up

{Mike has a good point. Why give away the land? Furthermore, as I point out in the seconds left for PQP, if the tree is the reason, then you have to put a covenant on the tree -- or pay for the land! No covenant means as soon as completed can be removed if not by this owner then the next after sold. And no doubt the extra land means increased value of the property. DWV not being fiscally prudent yet again, as Mike is pointing out and thinking of, as Chair of the Finance and Audit Cmte.}

Mayor: anyone else in public? then close public input and go to Ccl

RD: take it this is their house? appearance -- see a rock ridge and house wd sit up there, in that case a four-storey house wd be pretty dominating

you say tuck in and with v little blasting wd go on top and be v visible

Ans: basement and garage not there, only two storeys on the ridge and second set back

demonstrated to Greersons cd not see, not majority of second

RD: sounds reasonable but wd be useful to have a model

BChapman: we're here wrt subdivision of two lots and while my client has spent considerable time money showing to nbrs over past 18 months, haven't designed a house per se

we're here tonight b/c of steep slope bylaw to demonstrate to Ccl we've met steep terrain, rock breaking, etc

we'd love to have the subdiv approved but house not yet

RD: just we have nothing in front of us

time with nbrs commendable but we've just got a bit of time

Mayor: not time to discuss with public

RD: hard to see what will look like

Ans/Dowling: [pointing to drawing showing four storeys -- two beside cliff and two above]

the only part visible is this corner; rest hidden from view by prop line and house wall

don't see from within house

in mid-90s rock removal and ev tree removed

so we're trying to move house back; we don't want to see them from our deck

want to avoid encroaching on their privacy

Mayor: does that answer?

RD: exactly what I was asking for; helps a lot

8:06 -- RECOMMENDED: THAT all written and verbal submissions, ... received.

PASSED

Sop moved that Council approve. Seconded by JC

MS: still a bit confused

from Financial Task Force; curious why convey a M asset to --

Cclr Day throws me off my thoughts

anyway, if no financial remuneration to M in return for conveying that

CAO: almost ev driveway encroaches on the blvd; we ensure registry costs are covered

if to occupy a minor area like this, considered in public interest, vegetation retained; haven't sought add'l funds for that

GB: first accept that driveways cross our prop but this crosses in a diff way

might be a small number of encroachments agreements for

but have to accept crossing

CAO: we do have a blvd policy and we cd provide that to Ccl

MS: agree if driveways cross M blvds but it was not clear from this report that any land involved

if just a question of crossing a blvd okay but land a diff matter

CAO: maybe "acquire" -- we have a fee schedule for that

GB: yes, v modest

VV: our role; understand subdivision officer approves but wonder what discretion Ccl has

newspaper had an article about disruption in the nbrhd

this has blasting, will move into new house, surmise house demolished and new one construction so disruption

providing hazardous addressed we have no power

if they comply wd be more intrusive so no progress

are we choosing between what's submitted or applicant simply building a house that complies

as I read it we can't prevent; v little discretion

a house that complies with bylaws nbrs wdn't like or this with variance and nbrs wd provide

is that correct?

GB: under the OCP, it is v specific that Ccl is not required to issue a Devt Permit, some grounds for refusing but restricted

VV: sure hazardous addressed, but left with no real discretion

not prepared to hold it up however much disturbed we are to control nbrhd quality of life

applicants have done as good a job;

nbr wanting to delay, don't have power?

although misgivings wrt disruption to established nbrhds b/c I think it's going to be approved

Sop: cd turn it down but these are minor variances

in looking at that lot today, these owners cd say we're going to tear down the house and build up there

we seek that sort of concern

to Cclr's Smith's point, Ms Boyle to save a tree we're letting them put driveway on our prop

GB: to save more than one tree

they cd put the driveway 100% on their prop; but to preserve character, in nbrhd's interest to put driveway there

staff thinks better there; some early ones were far more on the slope, now it's more modest

landscaping speaks to area

Sop: find that bothersome

this is public land; assumption arbitrarily give public land on basis to save a tree

written down somewhere, or interpretation?

GB: part of what Ccl has to consider today

Sop: how much land?

GB: at most 5ft wide at width here and doesn't go 35% up

Sop: 35ft?

Mayor: may we go to cclr

Sop: no

Mayor: while staff figuring it out

Sop: our time

Mayor: important will come back

JF: having heard, impressed with what applicants have brought to bear

applicant cd hv built huge house, huge disruption, wd hv taken years

here they are, prepared to remain in the nbrhd, one nbr concern but a huge number in favour and have approved

this applicant has considered nbrhd and quality of life

deck will block view

think it's a good solution, excellent way to go

trees provide a buffer; important to retain those trees

JC: this applicant shd be applauded; they cd cut down trees and desecrate house

they've done design with nature, etc; if they hadn't wanted to do a better job they wdn't be here on their hands and knees

I'm prepared to get on with it

Mayor: Cclr Day

CAO: perhaps allow CAO to speak

Mayor: Cclr Day first

RD: is a sensitive design; wish it were happen more often; my only regret is having taken so much time

GB: it's between 40 and 45 ft

Sop: it's 350sf?

hv seen prop, trees topped will have to come out; the majority of the green is on M prop

350sf, do we never charge for that?

nothing to do with owners, it's policy decision of staff

Mayor: not sure

Sop: have some information to Ccl

this is a sensitive site; some issues here -- I say a panhandle and the transfer of land

if have answers I'll be quiet and bring it up another time

CAO: adjacent to blvd; have policy will bring it

unusual, sometimes sale; can discuss with Ccl

VV: my fellow cclrs have noticed indiv house wd be 10Ksf house but as if somehow not our responsibility; but it's something we allow in our bylaws

we need to work on our bylaws

Mayor: underway with our nbrhd housing WG

JC: you've raised some interesting things in your letter, and I will take these to the [Nbrhd] WG

8:29 -- CARRIED

5. Development Variance Permit Application 07?019 (4343 Erwin Drive)

At the July 25, 2007 meeting, Council received the report dated July 10, 2007 from the Community Planner titled "Development Variance Permit Application No. 07?019..."...

CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT

(Lady) Gunther: not a lawyer, on behalf of my brother John Gunther:

only found out about this on Aug 23

wd like to give notice to Ccl, object -- as owner of [number] Ross Crescent, I am the one the most affected

This property was purchased last month and I paid the price I did b/c I expected to enjoy the view as I saw it; a creek, trees along the creekside

the entire east side has windows on both floors facing this house

anything done to encroach has effect on my view and enjoyment

where we cd see no house, we now face the possibility of a 9Ksf two-storey home

Second, environment. Cypress Crk -- want to see it protected, want to see those trees bordering the creek (fir tree and five or six smaller cedars); generally 30m setback and the plan shows only 15m

These trees are our main concern

keep house back as far as possible so we don't have an obstructed view

important for ev in our cmnty to enjoy surroundings as much as possible

view and not undue hardship

SJN: cd I put this on overhead?

Mayor: Gordon Hlynsky, the architect

Sop: question to lady first. You're looking across? and you think trees will go?

Ms Gunther: the fir and the five or six trees; haven't seen so that house?

GH: I'm the architect and also have Bill Chapman who's done the survey

prop borders on creek and waterfront, large -- over 35Ksf

several surveys; one goes back in time that has an original setback and prop line [pointing, accretions]

current house is about the same size as we're going to construct; there are two legal lots and you cd put two there

not a huge house, part of the 9Ksf includes a large garage and a caretaker suite above the garage for taking care

Planning suggested we meet with nbrs and after several revisions plan meeting with nbrs

this person who just spoke we did not know about; they moved in last month; this objection came up last Friday, not something we anticipated

trees here, a large spruce tree and they completely obliterate view of house

The variance is affecting this section [pointing to drawings put on on west wall so ppl sitting on the west side of the gallery cannot see]

15m setback for creek preservation -- that's outright but can be 7.5 depending upon remediation

we came up with remediation working with the environment ppl

also trying to maintain this old oak

SJN: is this picture what nbr is looking at?

this oak tree is here, and this tree is off the prop (near water)

when said moving forward, impression on lawn but this shows orientation

GH: footprint was here and had to push the house this way to maintain some separation

hedges in here

think we've taken into consideration immediate nbrs and don't think nbrs on Ross Crescent affected

owners serious about retaining hedge

CAO: point of information -- if vegetation within setback area, wd need staff approval

JF: hedge along creek going to be maintained

GH: yes; and our client doesn't want to look across either

Sop: guarantee

GH: part of

Sop: registered?

BChapman: I did do the original survey for WV; Cypress Creek had a bulge here, so the line was down here and came across; the M was able to create a line down here

we moved our front prop line out to here

WV was in a hurry to get this work done, sandbags here, not prepared to entertain an application so we moved red line out to black line and currently applying for the accretion

done before the bylaw was brought in for setbacks for houses

somehow this house was not included in that list

much further forward on the prop

JC moved all written and verbal submissions, ... received.

8:49 -- CARRIED

JC moved:THAT Council approve the DVP which would provide for a new single family home with a variance to the required Waterfront Yard Setback as presented in the July 10, 2007 report from the Community Planner titled "Development Variance Permit Application No. 07?019 (4343 Erwin Drive)".

VV: again looks like a case even if we refuse the variance requested, wd make no difference

looks as if the view will remain as it is and if we refuse variance view wd remain as it is

Sop: friendly amendment: written guarantee that trees wd be there in place

Mayor: what does it say in Envtal?

SJN: if Ccl wants to put condition in

Sop: may be redundant but sometimes it disappears -- my goodness it's gone!

put in for nbrs

prop has suffered when high tide came in and channel widened

12 years ago went out there when they wanted to put a bridge across

such a big front yard

if nbr has wonderful view, make sure and as I understand no house there

8:52 -- CARRIED

{at least for this one some guarantee of retention of trees asked for!}

6. Animal Control ... Amendment Bylaw - Horseshoe Bay Park and Tantalus Park Dog Control Designation

Rebecca Black: dogs not allowed this summer in Ambleside Park

walked there and got fine of $135; just about everyone on our street hefty fine, $165

not nec

ppl and dogs; totally believe pick up

reason behind bylaws is to educate ppl

don't think giving fines to reasonable ppl walking

in Kits, English Bay all allow, adjacent to the beach, seems happy

strange make the most used park in WV

yesterday Coho Festival, didn't take dog b/c didn't want to get a fine {but dogs were there and allowed}

fines at soccer games

getting fines little girls with a dog on her lap get a $165 watching her dad play soccer

parks shd be public places

as long as good behaviour not dangerous, controlling dog

take our dogs to Park Royal, dog dishes

don't see why dog owners and leashed dogs not acceptable in park

it's the park where most of the events occur

hope you will consider this

a great deal of upset in cmnty, high fees and seniors can least afford it

ppl not driving to the dog park

huge demographic in our cmnty; we consider them part of our cmnty

Man: I entirely agree with that lady who just spoke

Mayor: we have you

Man: wd go forward

the only objection I have to dogs is walking on dog poo

anyone who doesn't clean up deserves a fine but not for just walking

if dog under control off leash that's fine

Mayor: considering western part of cmnty; like to hear from staff

CAO: become quite obvious consider others than these two

didn't want to rush that

our intent to come back to Ccl as to where relax

Mayor: we'll be advertising that

Sop: what struck me and lady who spoke

how do you get there?

drive Pound Rd.......

fascinating we'd give a ticket to someone walking a dog to a designated site

Mayor: motion on floor

Sop: but there isn't

bylaw enforcement, follow rules, but maybe not working

tonight two parks, obvious for dogs waiting for ferry; and I expect from conversation tonight letters to editor and fines now, come back in not to distant future

MS: in deference to Ms Black who suffered through two hours

make sure our staff are not ticketing citizens walking dogs down the street

we shd direct staff not to ticket anyone walking on a public road, this is absurd

CAO: Ccl cd direct staff not to enforce bylaw in a specific area

suggest we change enforcement for this week; probably practical recommendations we cd make for Ambleside

going east you're not supposed to have a dog but you park there and have to go to the other area

we can direct staff about this

Mayor: does that satisfy?

MS: no; it shd not be an offence anywhere in WV to walk your dog anywhere [along a road]

Mayor: you mean not just on Pound Road

CAO: if you use the word Road, difficult to know if meet goals

wd like to do it informally for a week

Mayor: IOW, strict enforcement not this week

letters this week

common sense to do; think a report is coming this week

address then, less confusing and more straightforward; or do you have better wording

MS: I throw myself at the mercy of the chair

VV moves THAT

1. The report dated July 10, 2007 from the Manager of Bylaw & Licencing [sic] Services regarding ... be amended to convert the area of Horseshoe Bay Park east of the paved parking lot on 6317 Bay Street and all of Tantalus Park to "dogs on leash" park areas be received.

2. Animal Control ... Amendment Bylaw No. 4520, 2007 be given 1st, 2nd and 3rd readings.

CARRIED

Mayor: and we'll be considering the Animal Control bylaw writ large asap

9:06

7. Development Permit 07?013 (District Lots 6264 and 6339) West Vancouver Yacht Club Wharf

Frank Musson: met with residents and have modified the plans; West A and East A

have a small window

DFO, five-year process, now have till Feb of next year to do this

Area is on rock; grid, dries fairly rapidly

[overhead] -- to encourage marine life in that area

Sop: wrt parking for island residents

with addition of this dry wharf, boats of longer length but probably desire to park

parking for Eagle Island

FM: won't change; complicated history but not really relevant to Devt Permit

Sop: if something is done and it affects others, what?

FM: original agreement for parking and length of wharfage remains

Sop: permit DFO

FM: yes, and took five years

Sop: agreed?

FM: general mtg required 66% approval b/c financial and it passed.

RD moved:

1. Notification for Development Permit ... which would provide for a new wharf with launching crane, be waived; and

2. Development Permit 07-013 (District Lots 6264 and 6339) for wharf construction be approved.

9:14 -- CARRIED

8. Evelyn Drive Presentation Centre

Mayor: received some add'l information

may I ask Mr Nicholls a question -- has it been to Design Cmte?

SJN: not aware; Geri Boyle handling that

Ans: HAS NOT [been]

JF moved

1. The report dated August 29, 2007 from the Manager of Permits and Inspections ... be received.

2. The Manager of Permits and Inspections be authorized to issue a Building Permit for the construction of the Presentation Centre with the condition that the building be removed after a period of three (3) years unless renewed by Council.

9:16 -- CARRIED

9. Rezoning and Development Permit Application No. 07?027 (445 13th Street)

Karl Gustavson: asking for a change of use

have already gone through our own process, notification, mtg at Pat's Restaurant

just asking receipt but proposal is less height than allowed, less traffic resolves parking and attention paid to views. Worthy of attention.

Mayor: just receipt, more to come

JC: why have you chose to access parking from 13th instead of the lane

discussed with staff and Brent Dozzi, b/c of grade, minimal number of cars going in and out

Sop: why if we've been working on the Amb plan for this past time, why looking at a devt with no height decision yet

wd be reasonable to work on height, density, on the plan before any decisions within that corridor

{ah yes, and wonder how many realized that Karl Gustavson, architect, was in fact on the Amb WG so perfectly familiar with what's been recommended. This is the site of Pat's Restaurant.}

SJN: the ppl who own land are entitled to apply for rezoning

this is consistent with what was put forward with the strategy put forward by the WG but that Ccl has not yet approved

apply for under C2 or this wch wd be consistent

anticipate by the time this comes, Ccl will have had its workshop

Ccl is not obligated to proceed at this time

Sop: this devt may go through but I wd think, all we've had before us, it wd be imperative consensus on Ccl, this is what we like, steps taken to get there, this wd fit rather than before

MS: just moving the process along: THAT The Council Information Report from the Sr. Community Planner ... be received.

9:22

10. 4064 Marine Drive (BP 103748): Request for Increase in Rock Breaking Volume

Nan Gingras? [didn't catch name]: here with owner and land surveyor Bill Chapman

project stopped in 2005 when architect passed away

planted rooftops, will look like a garden going down the hill

roof free of mechanical equipment

with land and cooperation with nbrs, permission of greater volume of rock

minimize view from props and open view to water

we do have a model [brought out, points]

Mayor: and you wd not require any further variance

BChapman: option 2 we be what approved in 2005

Sop: a bit of history here, perhaps explain for Ccl's benefit

BChapman: perhaps you'll recall a problem earlier this year in Caulfeild and staff has reviewed the requirements and as a result calculation ........1ft .... 20% for overbreak; under current rules 2ft so 40% goes for floor; and around house changed from 3ft to 4ft

blasting approved in 2005 at 557 cu m if we base on current calc wd be 700 cu m today so in actual fact while 75 higher than 2005 it's over 100 cu m less than wd hv bn approved before

unfortunately 80% of the house had been blasted out and unfortunately architect died and had to get new architect

as a result house already placed into the land; already blasted out

want to finish house, garage and a mechanical room underneath, going to take energy from the sea

need to place some machinery in a subbasement below garage

architect has rotated the studio 90 degrees to blend better into the slope of the land, causing minor adjustment in blasting Cclr Sop is asking about

Sop: is house across the street on ground level on MDr?

lower portion of prop prepared, small area still has to be prepared blasting for upper studio

if amt of blasting was altered recently, was it a bylaw change, did we change it, or whose interpretation was it?

SJN: it's a combination; bylaw itself allows calc on basis of footprint of main house

prev included outbuildings, whether error or not, don't do that now; we're more conservative

where we wd hv before, we'd give higher volume now

not necessarily changing total, always same total allowable

stated in this is that if excavation and blasting had continued with last permit wd not have had to come to Ccl; b/c of change have to come

now blasting bylaw says can come to Ccl, as long as not changing .....; building permit had already been issued

basis already been doing this, staff suggest continue

Sop: witnessed today, and was told on westerly side of prop an abundance of concrete removed and natural rock outcropping established

holes already drilled

inasmuch as always looking for new methods, is there a powerless blasting technique that cd be achieved?

BChapman: sev years ago the magic machine that wd scour, at expense brought to Canada and told Ccl we'd use it brought from States and broke teeth, maybe harder in Canada, diamond cutting edges just made three scratches down the blackboard before it started breaking teeth, and we ended up using an impact hammer for eight months to finish the home b/c we told Ccl we wd not drill and blast and so we drove the nbrhd crazy

To answer your question, we haven't found a rock-eating beetle yet that can come in and do it, but we do have more sensitive methods

Our client, Mr Everensall (sp?), has told the blaster to drill more holes, more noise but gives a tighter fit; reducing possibility of accidental overbreak

methods have changed even in last two years; eg don't put blasting mats on the ground

to east and two homes behind have given approval; house in front for sale, he's in east but letter from realtor

Sop: RECOMMENDED: THAT the request by the owner of 4064 Marine Drive to increase the rock breaking volume from 488 cubic metres to 597 cubic metres be approved.

9:36

10.1 Ccl mtg to follow Cmte of the Whole mtg on Sept 17

10.2 is Hugo Ray Park

VV: do need discussion b/c of the correspondence we have received

[Mayor wrote] letter MRIF grant for $2M from province

I'm a little puzzled b/c I don't remember any resolution of Ccl supporting that around July 30

Hugo Ray Society to fundraise from public, solicit from nbrs and solution to traffic

also have letters from Friends of Hugo Ray Park

instead of the nbrs being progressively brought on side with this, we now have cricket club now alienated and siding with the nbrs.

time for Ccl to admit this isn't working; great distress and exasperation on the Friends of HRPk

Mayor: can't agree more with you that there's been a lot happening

difficult to address all of the concerns

motion in a 4-3 vote was to support activities to fundraise and address traffic

have raised $2.2M from cmnty and applied to prov

based on my understanding support them

also $1M pledged by Ccl to get traffic off that road

Mr Dozzi has worked tirelessly to reopen Hwy 1 and has succeeded in that

communicated with nbrs almost ev week throughout summer, my feeling shd have asap -- Mr Pike, when will it be on our agenda?

KP: .... Sept 24th

Mayor: everyone will be well-notified; does that address your concerns?

VV: Mr Dozzi has persuaded open Hwy?

Mayor: access; important to relieving

Sop: agree with you have to get info; supported Cclr V b/c I remember a mtg a cpl of years ago

regulating traffic one way in and one way out, fields one and two but that was field hockey and cricket

then a new society formed and all over again

during the summer the Cricket Club was told to be out of there for a year

I cdn't find out, who made that

I with Mr Pike met with them to work on a win-win

time developed and more problems

if we get to the bottom; anything salvageable -- we shd hv a town hall mtg

communication links all there

Mr Dozzi has moved into something

one thing we must not overstate -- the area residents have not been given fair/time

so much out there not been categorized, don't know if rumour

do know residents there besides themselves, they're taking legal action

have seen this at Wentworth, Morven, and now here

don't have answers...

leave it to you Mayor but have a town hall mtg and get it out

Mayor: step one is to get full info in front of us, staff working on that

hard in summer, trying to keep straight and share it

take traffic concerns seriously

my understanding is that cricket working with field hockey, numerous groups on sporting side collaborating

KP: Society made up of mbrs on board two from cricket for 80 whereas soccer has 2000

hv asked whether official position but no answer

others asking if coming from executive

Mayor: so staff a status report for Sept 24

VV: yes

Sop: town mtg

Mayor: get info then, and see

Sop: this chamber will be full

Mayor: well, it's a ccl mtg

CAO: we know the decision on the grant will be early to mid October and that will dictate what will go forward; affect design; a lot of things up in air right now

Mayor: opposed Cclr Smith?

MS: we're waiting on grant, on Min of Hwys

why ppl out when concerned about traffic and not a proposed project to put in front of them

Mayor: b/c evolving over summer, have a responsibility

lots of things ppl not aware of

9:50 -- PASSED

>> CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS

11. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence

> REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA

12. Development Variance Permit Application No. 07?021 (1881 22nd Street)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated July 30, 2007, ... be received for consideration on Monday, September 24, 2007.

13. Development Variance Permit Application No. 07?024 (6655 Madrona Place)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated August 20, 2007, ... be received for consideration on Monday, September 24, 2007.

14. Development Variance Permit Application No. 07?025 (480 Eastcot Road)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated August 21, 2007, ... be received for consideration on Monday, October 01, 2007.

15. Development Variance Permit Application No. 07?029 (5771 Cranley Drive)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated August 28, 2007, ... be received for consideration on Monday, October 01, 2007.

> 16. CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR CONSENT AGENDA -- [for receipt; full list in previous issue]

These removed for discussion:

(1) R. Sultan, M.L.A. West Vancouver-Capilano, July 13, 2007, regarding Home Owners' Grant

Referred to the Director of Finance for consideration and response.

Sop: did ask them to look at this

overlooked it in this package but did see it there; assume some time

Mayor: Mr Laing has responded in a joint letter with me

RL: did receive letter and drafted response not sure gone out; not sure Ccl has seen it

Mayor: think it has gone out but will check on that

Sop: equalized?

Mayor: yes

(22) August 08, 2007, regarding Proposal for New Streetlight Installation on Greentree Road

Referred to the Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

Sop: I used to live there, dark

one area resident said no so it doesn't go in

Brent Dozzi: we do have a policy whereby if a cmnty requests a new streetlight, require 100%

light wd be in front of the home and that gentleman doesn't want it

cd have a lease light ... has a transformer so not a possibility ... $35 500

other options at residents' cost; ornamental pole, go local improvement rule

Sop: under safety, BC Hydro put one?

BD: we'd run a warrant

looks at whether necessary; no crash history, v low ped or vehicle volume so wdn't merit

Sop: we say 100%?

JC: Point of order. I move mtg continue till close of biz

NOPE! -- MS opposed! {it requires a unanimous vote of those to continue}

{This was a shock. No doubt Cclr Smith was tired having just returned from abroad, but that there was a ccl mtg was no surprise, nor shd it be that it might go beyond 10pm. When this happened in the past (approaching 10pm), it was pointed out that if a cclr didn't want to stay, he shd simply leave the mtg. That way the ccl mtg continues (for anyone who chooses to stay). By voting no, he's imposing his views on the rest of Ccl wanting to complete the agenda, and any mbr of the public who's waited to speak.

Selfish?

and what respect does it show for colleagues and residents?

When it happened earlier this year (two men left standing, waiting to speak) and he was told a better choice wd be just to leave as Cclr Day has on occasion, we had understood that he wd show that consideration in future.

Whether ill, tired, other commitments, or whatever, of course one understands a councillor might have to leave, but why prevent others who want to stay, finish agenda, make reports, and listen to public??? }

(24) August 12, 2007, regarding Reconsideration of Bylaw Banning Outdoor Clotheslines

Referred to the Director of Administrative Services for consideration and response.

JF: energy saving, don't prohibit, just prohibit permanent clotheslines

Mayor: not sure either is the case

RB: staff have investigated this enquiry and we do not have any bylaws prohibiting; will be responding

9:58

Mayor: Receipt of Correspondence 1, 22, and 24

Wd like to remind mbrs of the public welcome to join us at 11am Wed at KMC for the Swearing-In of Chief Kash Heed.

Now about 90 seconds left

17. REPORTS FROM MAYOR/COUNCILLORS

VV: Need to remind the public of the North Shore Heritage Weekend

Displays from 1 to 4 o'clock outside the Ferry Bldg Gallery, Classic Car Show

[holding brochure] further events; I won't take any more seconds

18. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS

Carolanne Reynolds, Heritage West Van: I was going to welcome everybody to enjoy the NShHeritage Weekend too but already done.

Since I only have 60 seconds I suppose

The other thing that came up

~ First of all, the dedication of M prop [to a homeowner] wch I thought was quite rightly brought up by someone, what I was wondering is if Ccl wd consider in that case if they're [the M] not getting money for it, if it's on the basis of keeping a tree, there shd perhaps be a covenant on the trees b/c it has happened in the past that ppl have said we're keeping the trees, we're getting this, get what they want, and they cut down the trees. So I wonder if Ccl wd consider a covenant on that.

~ Ambleside, Pat's Restaurant, I thought was v interesting b/c, and Cclr Sop brought up was it going to be in keeping with the WG [recommendations]... Well, since Mr Gustavson was on the WG perhaps he was making it comply with that.

{NB: Those recommendations have not yet been passed/adopted.}

~ As for the [Cmnty] Calendar,* I was a little surprised that it wd be looked at again b/c it had been [put up] twice [on the DWV website], it's been on the homepage twice; it's been removed twice; [now] it's been removed a third time; and I had been given assurances that b/c that was the direction given that it wd be, so you're saying this will be resolved tomorrow? or?

Mayor: I know that you will ably represent this issue tomorrow

I'm not sure it's been removed at all, though I know it scrolls down below the screen that immediately comes on, but we will return this to Ccl next Monday following our two mtgs this week.

I'm sorry, but I don't have permission of Ccl to continue past [10 o'clock].

CR: Thank you very much

Mayor: You're welcome.

Motion to adjourn; we'll see you tomorrow

19. ADJOURNMENT 10pm

* UPDATE

The next day, a present for me at the CEC mtg. It is now on the righthandside of the DWV homepage! Well, it shdn't have taken so many months and shdn't hv bn removed once up even though put in "New on Site" section. Anyway, two months ago I said it wd take less than 15 minutes to do; they confirmed it took ten.

Dear Readers, this is for you. Now when you click on the Calendar you will see the mtgs (Ccl, cmtes, WGs) so that now you'll be able to quickly/easily check to see if there's a mtg you want to attend or an issue having a public mtg or open house.

It's great to say mtgs are open but meaningless if little or no notification.

Ccl has opened a door to Ccl's decision-making machinations for you to observe and even have input.

That's included in the WG guidelines we at CEC also developed and circulated during the Workshop on/for WGs, Friday, Sept 14.

Slowly the doors are opening wider and wider -- it's going in the right direction and "that's a good thing."

=== Ccl AGENDAS Sept 17: Cmte of Whole & Sp Mtg ===

---> COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE

CALL TO ORDER

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

2. DELEGATION -- L. Gibbs, Dundarave Neighbourhood Association (DNA), regarding Development Issues in Dundarave

REPORTS

3. Council Meeting Procedures and Meeting Schedule -- Information to be provided.

4. North Shore Child Care Needs Assessment =96 Final Report

RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated August 27, 2007 from the Manager of Social Services ... be received for information.

5. Ambleside Town Centre Strategy =96 Key Issues

RECOMMENDED: THAT

1. The report dated September 11, 2007 from the Manager, Community Planning be received; and

2. Council provide guidance to staff on the issues to be addressed in the final draft Ambleside Town Centre Strategy, for further consideration at a Town Hall Meeting to be held in early October 2007.

6. REPORTS from MAYOR/COUNCILLORS + 7. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS + 8. ADJOURNMENT

---> SPECIAL REGULAR CCL AGENDA (immediately following Cmte of the Whole mtg)

CALL TO ORDER
1. RECOMMENDED: THAT Council resolve into the September 17, 2007 Special Regular Meeting of Council.

2. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

3. OPTION OF MINUTES -- No items scheduled.

RECOMMENDATIONS FROM September 17, 2007 COMMITTEE OF THE WHOLE MEETING

4. RECOMMENDED: ... ratified.

REPORTS

5. Zoning Amendment Bylaw No. 4525, 2007 and Development Permit 05-016 for 1305 Marine Drive (Shell Gas Station)

RECOMMENDED: THAT ... now introduced and read a first time in short form.

RECOMMENDED: THAT ... be considered at a concurrent Public Hearing / Public Meeting to be held on Monday, October 15, 2007 at 7:00 p.m. in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.

6. Information Report on the November 2006 Report of the Premier's Council on Aging and Seniors=92 Issues

RECOMMENDED: THAT the Report dated September 4, 2007 from the Manager of Social Services ... be received for information.

7. Dog Walking Enforcement/Regulations in Ambleside Park

Report to be provided on table.

BYLAW FOR ADOPTION

8. Animal Control Bylaw 4208, 2000, Amendment Bylaw 4520, 2007

CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS

9. Consent Agenda Items =96 Reports and Correspondence List

=B7 Item 10 =96 Development Applications Status List; and

=B7 Item 11 =96 Correspondence List.

REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA

10. Development Applications Status List: received for information

11. CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR CONSENT AGENDA

Requests for Delegation -- No items presented.

Action Required

(1) August 28, 2007, regarding Proposal to Construct Boat Moorage Facilities Along Waterfront

Referred to the Director of Planning, Lands & Permits for consideration and response.

(2) September 03, 2007, regarding Surveillance, Monitoring and Reporting of Ocean Water Quality

Referred to the Director of Parks & Community Services for consideration and response.

(3) September 05, 2007, regarding Serious Problem with Curbside Recycling Program

Referred to the Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

(4) September 06, 2007, regarding Curbside Recycling Pickup

Referred to the Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

(5) B. Binnie, President =96 UBCM, September 06, 2007, regarding The BC Climate Action Charter

Referred to the Mayor & Council for consideration and response.

No Action Required (receipt only)

(6) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes

(a) West Vancouver Police Board =96 July 26, 2007

(7) G. Stewart, President =96 Capilano Community Services Society, August 15, 2007, regarding Thank You for Community Grant and 2006-2007 Annual Report

Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.

(8) A.S. Hilsen, Municipal Clerk =96 District of North Vancouver, August 28, 2007, regarding North Shore Child Care Needs Assessment =96 Final Report "Today's Children, Tomorrow=92s Leaders: Child Care Needs on the North Shore, June 2007"

Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.

(9) A.S. Hilsen, Municipal Clerk =96 District of North Vancouver, August 28, 2007, regarding Federal Revenue Sharing with Municipalities Reallocation of One-Sixth of the GST to Municipalities as a "Targeted Infrastructure Renewal /Replacement Fund"

(10) September 03, 2007, regarding Animal Control Officer Position should be Permanent

(11) G. Clarke, Chair, Board of Directors and L. Berg, President & Chief Executive Officer =96 Vancouver Airport Authority, undated, regarding Invitation to Attend the Vancouver Airport Authority Annual Reception at the Union of British Columbia Municipalities Convention

(12) E. McLaughlin, Chief Executive Officer =96 Hollyburn Country Club, September 05, 2007, regarding Proposed Expansion Plan for Hollyburn Country Club, Plan 2007

(13) September 07, 2007, regarding Rezoning of Shell Station at 13th Street and Marine Drive

Responses to Correspondence -- No items presented.

Responses to Questions in Question Period -- No items presented.

12. ADJOURNMENT

=== LANGUAGE === LICENCE/LICENSE

Some of you may have noticed a [sic] in item 6 of the Sept 10 agenda. That's b/c for some reason someone or whoever's in charge of the agenda apparently is intent on using a word that does not exist and I don't want to pollute your eyes by seeing a word not used in any version of the English language.

There are, as I'm sure all of you are aware, some minor differences in UK, US, and Cdn English. In a few things Canada has its own distinctive word, spelling, or usage. In others, Canada uses either the UK or the US version.

licence/license is an example of UK spelling used in Canada.

We (and the Brits) use licence as a noun (singular) and licences (plural). It is only in the noun that the C is used. We use license for the verb and its various forms: licensed, licensing. You will see this in provincial and federal govt documents plus in the newspapers (it's in the Cdn Press Style Guide).

In the US, license is used whether noun or verb.

Therefore there's no verb form ending CE and the DWV agenda has -cing in Item 6 but there's no such spelling!

It is my hope that my govts will not only use Cdn spelling, but also use them correctly.

BTW, the same distinction holds for PRACTICE/PRACTISE.

=== QUOTATIONS ===

-------from the weekly newsletter by Dr Mardy Grothe, American quotation anthologist-------

On September 13, 1592, Michel de Montaigne died at age 59 in his chateau near Bordeaux, France. The son of a wealthy Catholic landowner and a mother of Spanish-Jewish descent, he was allowed to hear and speak only Latin until he was six years old. After a brief career in law and politics, he retired to the family chateau at age 35 to focus on a life of reflection and writing. In 1580, he invented a new literary form with his historic "Essays". Montaigne was also one of the world's first great quotation collectors, even going so far as to carve approximately fifty memorable quotations in the wooden beams of his office and study (he called it his "solitarium"). [He was a] truly gifted writer, and had a special knack for crafting quotable quotes.

Many of his best were metaphorical:

"It is good to rub and polish our brain against that of others."

"The beauty of stature is the only beauty of men."

"Age imprints more wrinkles in the mind than it does on the face."

He also penned many wonderful oxymoronic observations:

"The secret of success in life is known only to those who have not succeeded."

"I have seen people rude by being over-polite."

"He who does not live in some degree for others, hardly lives for himself."

More about life from Dr Mardy Grothe's weekly newsletter:

~ Arnold Palmer: The road to success is always under construction.

~ Jimmy Buffett: Life is much more manageable when thought of as a scavenger hunt as opposed to a surprise party.

~ John Gardner: Life is the art of drawing without an eraser.

~ Charlotte Perkins Gilman: Life is a verb, not a noun.

~ Danny Kaye: Life is a great big canvas, and you shd throw all the paint on it you can.

DR. MARDY'S THOUGHT OF THE WEEK:

"If all of human existence is like a grand painting, then every individual life is a self-portrait."

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Johann Wolfgang von Goethe: The man who knows no foreign language knows nothing of his mother tongue.

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