Still HOPING FOR AN INDIAN SUMMER!

=3D  MAIN ITEMS Ccl mtg Oct 1: DVPs 480 Eastcot (to allow existing garage within required front yard!) and 5771 Cranley (small one-storey addition with variances); Prov Electoral Area Boundary Readjustments; Cmnty Engagement Policy (our work on openness and inclusion of you, the public); Bylaws re tax exemptions, fees and charges, solid waste utility, lane paving, Animal Control; DVP Application 2929 Altamont; Correspondence including parking at the Srs' Ctr, WV Police Bd Aug mtg minutes [14.5(a)], Hugo Ray Park

=3D  Vive le Canada (Golf; Southampton Island); BORDERWATCH (original homeland security); ANIMALWATCH; UPDATES (Capers Dund RIP; Hugo Ray's cabin =3D Heritage Lost; Cost of Termination of Police Chief); INFObit (what's FAR/FSR?); THEATREWATCH (Bard 2007; 2008); Calendar to Oct 12th

Amazing that DVPs for 1881 22nd (in area zoned for lots of 12Ksf; two houses, each on a ~4Ksf lot -- read affordability!) and 6655 Madrona (two-car garage built without permit approved); Ambleside Town Ctr (good to learn we'll be getting more info before a Town Hall mtg); Dog Control Bylaw (enforcement changes and review planned); in PQP/C more pleas for pottery 3D studio in new Cmnty Ctr; informing Streamkeepers part of process? and celebrate Rivers Day/Weekend with Mark Angelo on Sunday but WV Streamkeepers on Saturday 10 to 3pm on McDonald Creek at Kings and 19th.

=3D  Ccl AGENDA Oct 1; WEBWATCH (Wiki on the Iran Prez); Quotations

>  CBC has had a series on The National called "The Big Melt".  On Sept 26 it was about the geology of Southampton Island.  I had to look it up (Wikipedia to the rescue), so here's a bit of Canadiana:

Southampton Island is a large island at the entrance to Hudson Bay, Canada. It is part of the Kivalliq Region of the Nunavut Territory. The area of the island is stated as 41,214 km? by Statistics Canada. It is the 34th largest island in the world and Canada's 9th largest island. The only settlement on Southampton Island is Coral Harbour (pop. 712, Canada 2001 Census), called in Inuit Salliq.

East Bay Bird Sanctuary and Harry Gibbons Bird Sanctuary are located on the island and are important breeding sites for the Lesser Snow Goose (Anser caerulescens caerulescens).

It is one of the few Canadian areas and the only area in Nunavut that does not use daylight saving time.

Historically speaking, Southampton Island is famous for its now-extinct inhabitants, the Sadlermiut (modern Inuktitut Sallirmiut "Inhabitants of Salliq"), who were the last vestige of the Tuniit. The Tuniit, a pre-Inuit culture, officially went ethnically and culturally extinct in 1902 when an Western illness wiped out the Sallirmiut in a matter of weeks.

=3D=3D=3D BORDERWATCH --  Just in = by email "The Original Homeland Security":

        "Ask the American Indians what happens when you don't control immigration."

=3D=3D=3D ANIMALWATCH: that adorable polar bear cub: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3DUfqbck9szME

>  Loss of Capers in October devastating for Dundarave.  Did NIMBY nbrs deep-six their plan to relocate to the southeast corner of 24th & Marine or weren't they serious b/c Whole Foods (one in Park Royal) now owns them?  Wd be nice to have anchor attractions at both ends of the single block that is Dundarave Village (biz).  Lost heritage in effect, since it was the first Capers store.

>  Please note: it's no longer GVRD, it's now Metro Vancouver.

>  HERITAGE LOST: incredibly although it was only a few months ago when we lost the house on Keith that had historical significance and I requested Ccl put in place procedures for notification to give heritage/historical groups and the public time to offer to preserve, move, incorporate, etc., I've just learned that Hugo Ray's log cabin (Third and Mathers) near the eponymous park has been demolished yet several heritage groups and the public were not alerted to its possible or imminent demise!  I've offered to help devise a process if Ccl/staff don't have the time or inclination.

>  Dog-walking in Ambleside has been prohibited for a long time, the difference is that they started enforcing it this summer. {Recent controversy means the Dog Control bylaw will be reviewed.}

Courtesy of/Reprinted from/ Inside Ambleside & Dundarave, September/October 2007 Page 3

Mayor in the Chair

What's the estimated cost to West Van taxpayers for the dismissal and replacement of former chief constable Scott Armstrong, including the subsequent legal dispute and his $200,000.00 payout?

                                                                               -- Inside Ambleside and Dundarave

       The Police Board and Scott Armstrong agreed to a settlement amount of $199,000 which is equal to 18 months of service. In agreement with the pension company, we will continue to pay $17,000 over the course of another 12 months so that the pension benefits to Mr. Armstrong are maximized, and $4,200 in lieu of other benefits.

        Scott Armstrong brought (1) an application for an injunction prohibiting the board from terminating him and for declaration that his contact was not [enforceable] because it was not legal to include an evaluation and assessment period (those questions represent the essence of accountability for both the Police Board and the police chief) and (2) an application for declaration that the matter was settled through mediation efforts. As a result the Board was compelled to defend its position in court twice. In each case the court found in the Board's favour.

        As well, we were required to spend extensive counsel time handling a very comprehensive =46OIPPA (freedom of information and personal privacy) request, and to attend two separate mediation sessions. The cost of this is $270,000 in legal bills, paid for by the taxpayer. This is a significant one time cost, and has been budgeted for through contingency.

        What have we gained as a result? A Police Board, Chief, and Department that are working together quickly to bring our policies and professional standards in line with policing best practices. A draft strategic plan will be available for public comment in September, and the Department is being reshaped so that responsibility for strategic goals is being shaped throughout, which in turn creates opportunity for both the civilian and non-civilian staff. The chief's contract and performance standards are in line with these goals.

                      -- Pamela Goldsmith-Jones, Mayor of West Vancouver & Chair, Police Board

Many have asked what FAR is.  It's also called =46SR.  They stand for Floor Area or Space Ratio.  It's the relationship between the square footage of of the lot, and the square footage of the house/structures.  The footprint is the square footage on the surface of the lot whereas the FAR, is the square footage of the house, and of course can be more than the footprint since it can be two storeys, for example.  To make the math easy, it's the percentage of the lot size.  At present, the maximum for a single family house is .35FAR.  That means that if a lot is 10Ksf, the house can be 3500sf, ie 35% of the lot size (.35 is 35% of 1; 1 being the whole lot).  {When I was on Council about 20 years ago, the maximum was .45FAR -- that's almost 50%, almost half! -- and much dismay about monster houses.  Cclr Day was on Ccl too then and we were proud to have achieved such a reduction.}

Some comparisons.

Evelyn Drive will be .75FAR.  The Hollyburn Medical Ctr is 1.65.  Some businesses in Ambleside are .40 and the Ambleside WG has recommended a 1.75FAR base (one and three quarters the size of the lot) with bonusing possible to 2.25 and 2.75, that is about seven times the small businesses' premises and seven times the size of the residential limit.

>  WVHS: v interesting Historical Society mtg with slides of the ten most endangered buildings on the North Shore (and the M Hall is one!) by Peter Miller of the NSHPS; info on the Cmnty Dialogue, the WV Heritage Register, and the Neighbourhood Fair Oct 13/14 at Pk Royal by Stephen Mikicich, DWV Cmnty Planner; and a DVD by Dr Olga Kempo on a 100-yr-old house (with the story of the woman who built it as well).

=3D=3D=3D THEATREWATCH -- A bit of history first [http://www2.bardonthebeach.org/history.html]:

REMEMBER the Farmers' Markets:

~ 7:30pm ~ AT THE LIBRARY: The Music of Grieg

Pianist Milton Schlosser & soprano Kathleen Corcoran will preform a program of works by Norwegian composer Edvard Grieg (1843 - 1907). Seating is limited. Doors open at 7:00 pm. Refreshments provided by Friends of the Library. Music at the Library is funded by the bequest of Robert Leslie Welsh.

 We pull for three hours, but if you can come for only an hour please join us.  Dress for the weather in old clothes and bring work gloves. Meet at the upper kiosk in the parking lot.

        ~ 3 - 7pm ~ Way Out West Fest - Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr

SATURDAY Sept 29th.  West Vancouver Streamkeepers will celebrate Rivers Day with a display and information table at the rearing pond at Kings and 19th Street from 10am - 3pm. Coho and cutthroat fry caught in the pond will be on view as well as insect life from McDonald Creek. This pond is thriving with  fish and invertebrate life.  Help us plant some native species along the creek.  We will supply plants and shovels, cookies and soft drinks.

SUNDAY Sept 30th.  Mark Angelo will be at the Capilano Dam in the early morning, and then at the DFO =46ish hatchery from 11am - 3pm. There  will be displays, information hand outs, and tours.

=3D=3D Wednesday Oct 3rd  ~ 6pm ~ Cmnty Ctr Governance WG at Srs' Ctr

=3D=3D Thursday Oct 4th  ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte (Moved from Sept 27)

Heather Aston, Marie Price, Rina Pita, William Steinberg, Ingunn Kemble, Marja-Leena Rathje, Patricia Baldwin, Valerie Metz, Susan Campbell, Arnold Shives, Jane Adams, Peter Kiss, Tanya Gleave, Gillian Armitage, Michiko Suzuki, Wayne Eastcott, Ross Penhall, Gordon Smith

CALL FOR ENTRIES -- GREAT STUFF 2007 Christmas Gift Sale (Nov 30 - Dec 21)  An exhibition and sale of unique crafts, fine artwork and distinctive gifts at affordable prices, just in time for the Christmas shopper!

+ DEFINING MOMENTS: INTERRUPTED LIFE -- Oct 2 - 14; George Dart, mixed media assemblage

+++  WV MUSEUM +++  The Black Slip -- The Paintings of Jane Billaux (to Oct 27)

+++  WV ARTS COUNCIL +++ visit www.silkpurse.ca for events (most ticketed)

+++  CHAMBER OF COMMERCE [926 6614; www.chamber.westvan.org]

CALL TO ORDER

1.  APPROVAL OF AGENDA -- letters added

2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES (for Sept 10)

3. L. Pierce, Transportation Planning Advisory Committee (TPAC), District of North Vancouver regarding Ride Club (Carpooling Pilot Project)

LP: resident of DNV, mbr of [their] Adv Planning Cmte; had an idea when at SFU in 1970s, got tied up in practising law for 23 years, and now the time's right for TPAC's Ride Club.

made recommendation to CNV and one said he was wary of silver bullets

this is not the solution, it's a solution, part of the solution

this blue book was delivered to you this afternoon

lots of cars, just need to find way to get more than one person in a car

mom always taught us not to get into a car with a stranger; have to get over it

person at side of road, holding up a Ride Club car -- every one will be issued one; reflective so can be used at night.  [slide of Ride Club card with photo ID]

car has dashboard card with type of car

survey results are at tab 1; we've put up a website -- rideclub.ca

[listed reasons] reduces global warming, sharing a ride, etc

Tab 3, everyone who visited site left email address, a good sign

ICBC, stumbling blocks? if paying but if contributing gas money no problem

for Motor Carrier Commission, problem to be dealt with -- can't be paid, or even a cup of coffee

slug lines, started in WDC, been going since 1970s

tab 8 is a biz plan; I'm willing to donate my time; in process of trying to get funding; support from CNV (endorsing idea, directing staff to meet with me for in-kind support)

I want your support, have NV's

I believe we can provide a network -- ppl will pull up and pick up a club mbr

small amt of money, budget on last page $91K for two years

stuck here with two bridges; start with focus on Lions' Gate Bridge

Sop: guess they haven't written the book on a man, his car, and a cellphone

is 80+ responses good?

LP: well, it's not; you can read the summaries; do we need another survey? no

all we need right now is how many will sign up

Sop: do you think concerned about liability?

LP: everyone has insurance; I do personal injury for a living so I know; just not insured for criminal acts

Sop: gone to Phoenix for 30 years and I've seen

have loops and HOV lanes and no one in the HOV lanes

shd look at this, support in principle

Mayor: Cclr V is making motion for receipt -- Cclr Clark?

JC: no cost to the rider? got to be cost somewhere, cards

LP: small mbrship fee; a great deal on line; simple; in the nbrhd of $30 - $40 per year

VV: but buses have special lanes, unless a vehicle with four occupants same privileges

stop at bus stops and take from line up?  same rights as buses -- maybe have a trial period

LP: stop and pickup a question but if NShore got together cd agree at predetermined places or bus stops or have more HOV lanes; hope never as bad as Phoenix

RECEIVED and referred to Dept/Engg for further comment

[7:22] REPORTS

Additional Information: Memo dated September 20, 2007 from the Community Planner attaching a landscape plan for 1881 22nd Street.

At the September 10, 2007 meeting, Council received the report dated July 30, 2007 from the Community Planner titled "Development Variance Permit Application 07-021 (1881 22nd Street)", a copy of which is attached for reference.

Mayor: anyone wishing to comment?

Farzin Yadegari (sp?): I'm the architect for this project.  Two adjoining lots; due to nature of land, one lot is at corner of Queens and 22nd and the other at 22nd.  B/c of setbacks will be v narrow lots and narrow buildings and doesn't really meet bylaws.  Earlier was not passed so have changed to North West side wch works better with surrounding buildings

[pointing to drawings on wall] one 4Ksf and the other about 4400sf; not big bldgs, one 2000sf, the other about 2100sf

SJN: there have been some questions about these lots; they were created in early 1900s

two in east-west direction, on both of the lots someone may apply

on one by applying the bylaws strictly, a long house cd be built

on the northern lot, you'd have to have a setback, on east-west street; wd have to come to Ccl or Bd of Variance to build on this lot

the lots across the street are under 50ft

MOTION TO RECEIVE PASSED

nice architecture

can't see looking back to 1900s rather than subsequent bylaws

Sop: based on need for variance -- architect did a good job, but what obligation to we have some semblance of nbrhd character that some realization for their lifetime, what they purchase in area, will see some change but, had garden and plants, enjoyed ambiance... but seeing an anomaly like this has an irrevocable effect on nbrhd and just not nice/right.

good job Mr architect, two small houses; but I saw it today and nbrs some smaller homes but lots broaden out and get bigger -- this area is 12Ksf and these are 4Ksf

most nbrs won't realize a large house -- the two with narrow space between

SJN: see that Bd of Variance's decision

the northern lot is a flanking lot and if you take off the setbacks, you cd not build but you cd on the southern lot

have to receive from Bd of Variance or Ccl

I too read the minutes from the Bd of Variance, a number of nbrs, four, who spoke in opposition to the earlier subdivision; understand they're more satisfied with what's proposed tonight and I don't see anyone opposed in the audience tonight coming forward with objections; like concept; provides an alternative; more affordable than houses in the region; deserves my support

[MOVED THAT the DVP which would provide for a re-orientation of two existing legal non-conforming lots and two new single family homes with variances to siting and parking location be approved.]

zoning bylaw states sgl-fam lots existing at time of bylaw may be used for sgl-fam use

these under the use provision can be used as sgl-fam lots; the ones across about 49ft wide and adjacent are not RS3, they're 5Ksf

these are unusually narrow; probably one or two like this others in the Dundarave area, may or may not come up

immediate nbrs have said preferable

if Ccl does not approve and BoV doesn't, we cd not give a permit for the northern lot, so in difficult position, not able to proceed with construction on northern lot; not sure wd have to check with solicitors what situation leaves them in legally but don't believe different from situation in last 70 years

other than a legal opinion, both applications have been turned down

Mayor: wish we'd had the discussion on housing before this

we know for a fact ppl living in smaller houses, smaller families

dangerous to think precedent-setting, think it's actually the opposite; anomalous site, v unusual situation

based on what seems to me to be a few years of work and a few years of trying to fit in, I'm prepared to approve the application.

7:42

At the September 10, 2007 meeting, Council received the report dated August 20, 2007 from the Community Planner titled "Development Variance Permit Application No. 07-024 (6655 Madrona Place)", a copy of which is attached for reference.

CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT -- none

RECEIPT passed

CARRIED

7:43

KP: previous ccl.... reviews; how to support seniors

addresses how each relevant in WV; we've done a considerable number of things, many addressed by our Seniors' Ctr, opened in 1981; Aquatic Ctr now. and our new health ctr will open next year

lots of mixing of youth and ages, happening in Gleneagles as well

over half of those over 65 in this cmnty are mbrs of the Srs' Ctr and 1000 are volunteers

baby boomers just entering their 60s -- will they want to take it over and run it themselves? new cmnty ctr may be the case

This info must be at the forefront for Parks and Rec Dept; Seniors will be leading

Sop: one of our WGs looking at this

work on governance of new Cmnty Ctr, through volunteerism, look at how we're serving and think we're well ahead of the game

Mayor: it struck me we've anticipated and we're leaders in this field; think we shd write to Premier and say what we've done; the three mayors on NShore met Friday

like to compliment Anne Mooi on her report, taking report and responding enables Ccl to act on this

JC moved:

1. The GVRD Board be advised that West Vancouver Council supports the overall directions of the Draft Regional Affordable Housing Strategy (July 2007), on the understanding that support for specific proposals related to targets, regional development cost charges and a regional affordable housing trust fund would be subject to municipal consideration of the forthcoming technical analysis; and

2. The issues around affordable housing and potential strategies for addressing them be discussed as part of the Community Dialogue on Neighbourhood Character and Housing.

VV: I think we shd be v cautious of signing these kinds of things

notice there's a memo from the WG and they don't give us the info to justify using the report

talks about supporting the spirit of supporting a strategy and then talks about discussions

our own WG doesn't make any comment on the strategy and we shdn't be going ahead of them

if you look at the affordable housing, it doesn't take long to get to densification and that has to be dealt with in its own right

I look at us as trustees

if strategy runs counter to what our WG says to us

we've had comments about WGs having developers ant this cmte had real estate...  has all been developed from ordinary residents, all in the housing/devt industry, conflict of interest

can't see we shd sign on

Sop: so many questions; can't support unless concrete suggestions; what has been taken out?

Mayor: item w cd stand

JF: don't understand reference to signing on; support overall suggestions but wait for more info, right?

Mayor: yes

JF: note we have specific concerns

JC: the Housing WG was offered this report early in its life, did consider; what you're offered here is support in principle, says you will get a clearer picture

Mayor: consider all together?

MOTION CARRIES

7:57

8. Branding the District of West Vancouver as a Desirable Employer (for receipt)

Mayor: recruitment challenges.  Susan Ney.

SN:  information report, one of the initiatives;

same recruitment challenges; our demographics mirror rest of NAmerica, actually worse

within ten years 55% of our non-emergency personnel cd retire, seeing a large number of staff leaving

look at how to keep; look at who we are, hire the right person the first time

skill shortages; lot of positions not filled, cost attached to that; also readvertise

so we created some focus groups asked staff why they work for the District

using team.......

branding helps describing what it's like to work for local govt

bn working with GVRD; working on creation of decals encouraging ppl to look at our website and urging ppl to go to www.westvancouver.ca/careers

info, benefits package, perks

great forum for telling cmnty great place to work; want to scream from mountaintops who we are and we shd be their employer of choice

will see what's effective; excited about building a team and providing services for this cmnty

MS: congratulate Susan for the initiative, looks catchy, slogan: "this team, this place, and you"

SN: set by Pension authority; choice to leave; indicating when they can go

ppl leave and work elsewhere part-time

keeping ppl and keeping ppl creatively

if Pension plan looking to raise those age wd be interesting dialogue and wd create problems

now have to sign won't come back and work for us; whole set of problems

opp to do things differently, exciting

JF: we're not the only M experiencing difficulties hiring

the cost of housing in the Lower Mainland, escalated in past 15, ten years, is that playing role in adding to the difficulties?

SN: going to see that.  Right now 50% of our staff live on NShore

look at these things to keep great staff we have

Sop: benefit-wise WV has supported v well

SN: yes

Sop: why wdn't someone want to come here? money?

employees' market now and may be 30 to 40 years before employers' market

WV has worked well but have to keep

Sop: recent settlements, most Ms will face staff cost increases

those are complements to the quality of life, inflation, so really not a downhill, always will be positive

have had some experience; we've had difficulty wrt certain departments; some outside of the country

wonder what will happen after Olympics

taxpayer looks at it and seems well looked after

SN: City of Vancouver lost five or six planners to Dubai

haven't seen before other countries recruiting Canadians; puts some pressure

VV: interested in what Ms Ney's told us; puts finger on one thing -- globalization

the intersection of globalized forces on our little world; thank Ms Ney for reminding us

RD: this is okay but problem with lingo -- decals make us look desperate

"get on the team" -- that's not going to get anyone; let's be original; I think a brochure;

SN: that's why we went to focus groups; why they chose to come and stay

RD: a good idea, not decals

SN: I grew up in WV, went to WV Secondary and ashamed to say I didn't know where the M Hall was

time we got out and talked to ppl and say hey, we're here; we haven't had to do that in past

RD: ads in buses, go to schools

SN: we're going to do all of that

RD: okay.

8:13

8:15

This item was deferred from the September 17, 2007 Special Regular Council Meeting.

This Bylaw received third reading at the September 10, 2007 Council Meeting.

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the report dated September 18, 2007 from the Manager of Bylaw & Licencing [sic] Services regarding [the Bylaw..] be amended to convert the area of Horseshoe Bay Park east of the paved parking lot on 6317 Bay Street to a "dogs on leash" park area be received.

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the third reading ... be rescinded.

DONE, then moved:

THAT the bylaw be amended as described in the report dated September 18, 2007 from the Manager of Bylaw & Licencing [sic, shd be Licensing] Services.

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the bylaw as amended, be read a third time.

Mayor: wonder if Dave Stuart cd update us

CAO: after daycare, etc change except decided to leave as it is, Horseshoe Bay east...

mindful of signage; as for Amb, better signage; right now instead of ticketing, warning instead; this past weekend only ticketed four ppl; wanting to put better signage; appeals are based on lack of signage and some appeals being upheld; moving ahead with our signage package.

Mayor: now move recommendation?

Sop: I move  receipt [etc]

CARRIED

Sop: move third reading be rescinded

JF: opportunity for public?

Mayor: I didn't have anyone on my list; so I'll ask for that; thank you. Vote for rescinding [PASSED]

Anyone wishing to comment?

[Nope, then Sop moved third reading]

MS: in view of the correspondence and email we've had on dogs we shd discuss this whole question

restricted from [gave long list, plus 20 parks dogs prohibited on]

Sop: we did go through a process re dog bylaw

guess at the time, we didn't get to how to get to a destination

found it strange allow a dog to walk behind a fence beside you then move away; what was the issue with leash

many feel correct and heard from them

have a look at what right to walk dog, looked at in NV; may have to change our ways

8:26

11. Local Area Service Lane Paving Construction 1300 Block Jefferson and Inglewood Avenue and 1160 =96 14th Street Bylaw No. 4526, 2007 (for three readings)

JF: wd like to ask Dir/Engg -- frequently done but how sustainable are they for allowing water to sink in

Raymond Fung (Acting):  creating lane more impervious surface certainly but locals maybe not as much maintenance; have been doing some education with public, doing some pilot projects more permeable and you may be familiar with City of Vancouver "country lanes programs" for their LIP.  More expensive than paving with asphalt.   Haven't seen any local group come forth yet with an application.

JF: wd be more in keeping with our goals as a cmnty and envmtal sustainability

not going to oppose this but shd make sure WG addresses this whole question

Sop: in fact we are looking at that in Envtal Strategy, lanes as well as services; new principles

We did experiment at Gleneagles, seems to work well, gravel under mesh, successful?

RF: yes, and another experiment at District's initiative, a lane, a grid at St Francis in the Wood, allowed water through for storm water purposes; believe been successful as a pilot project

costs, a bit expensive, but over time as ppl see more, and more educated wrt storm water mgmt hope to bring more to Ccl; hope to bring more to Ccl.

8:30 PASSED

12. Change to October 15, 2007 Council Meeting Schedule

Committee of the Whole Council Meeting scheduled ... changed to a Regular Council Meeting

8:31

13. Consent Agenda Items =96 Reports and Correspondence List (for approval as listed)

Item 14 =96 Development Applications Status List; and Item 15 =96 Correspondence Lists.

Mayor: anyone want to exempt items?

MS: 23

Sop: 3

REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA

14. Development Applications Status List (received for information; complete list in previous issue)

Sop: acceptability of certain type of can? used to have brown bag; all in place and are recycling folks doing their job?

RF: current system of blue box and yellow bag; throughout GVRD and our contractor is using that system, our present till July 2009, joint North Shore; until that time not anticipating any changes

Depending upon driver, some are more accepting to variations of what they see; benefit to consistency as to what they can set out' it seems it's the wrong [container?] and person wants to use own; will be meeting; particular situation; highest participation rates in region

MS: motion to meet with Sch Bd; [number coming here from] out of District' effect on traffic

built as nbrhd schools, not designed to have a whole slew of cars at 8:30 and 3 o'clock

rightly concerned about traffic around Collingwood so shd to public schools

Mayor: set up a mtg

JC: refer to Traffic and Transportation Cmte

Sop: first annual bed race in Pk Royal South last weekend

thx to Cclr Ferguson who sewed up these costumes; we went as bedbugs --

we were in the masters over 50; but we were put in with the young guys

Mayor: hear the fire chief in better shape

we were told by several that our costumes were the highlight of the show; cdn't understand why honorable mention

Mayor: b/c I was the judge

Sop:... had we known just a...  now I have to go through an exercise program

JF: the winners were about 20 years old and in spandex; maybe we shd wear spandex

Mayor: a great day, for LGHospital will continue

right after that went to welcome the HTV -- eight days five riders

never done before in history of country before (all NSh ppl); raised for juvenile diabetes; ... real athletic leaders.. Premier there to launch them off and welcome them home b/c of his support for Act Now; some say do and some just do it; shining moment for the NSh

GVRD mtg on Friday, complimenting DWV staff for showcasing innovation in Green Infrastructure projects

I put together a mtg with these four leaders/innovators last year, staff and province and it's gone on to be a partnership, gone incredibly well; Chair Jackson v complimentary to WV staff for leading on that

Sop: this week UBCM and we're meeting with four ministers; public shd know

Mayor: Mr Stuart has just finished the briefing notes

CAO: Minister Thorpe re sgl licensing system, Hanson re 2010; Minister Taylor fiscal sustainabiltiy; Minister Les update re wide variety of policing issues

Mayor: I am meeting, with a GVRD delegation, with Minister Penner around the Lions' Gate sewage plant

CAO: also Minister De Jong, a number of initiatives with First Nations

8:41

June Sutherland: lived in WV almost all my life and taxpayer for 38 years

on mtg with Mayor June 5th, asked staff about component of pottery studio

cost of only studio, never was cost provided

out of $38M existing progs protected

Mayor: will refer that to Mr Pike.  I believe Ccl will consider at quarterly report in Oct

from 28Ksf to just over 50K and that is not a quadrupling; have looked at this for some time, when project reduced in size everyone knows the connection with the Srs' Ctr wch included the 3D studio was removed from the project; will be av in October

Mayor: I also asked about including it in the fibre studio in Srs' Ctr

Connie Little: representing the senior potters who participated in this summer's Harmony Arts

over 400 signatures seeking reinstatement of the pottery in the 3D study; sample of commentary: to not continue proving art space, enrich lives and .... our chn

my understanding no acknowledgement of 200 letters of support for studio 3D studio submitted in June, so I'm here in person to present 444 signatures objecting to the removal

new Cmnty Ctr 85Ksf instead of 20Ksf; shd be considered now while still under construction; elimination is shortchanging youth and adults and shd not be the legacy of the new cmnty ctr

find a way to find a place in new; remember, if you build it they will come

Betty Ditters: retired art teacher; taught art from K to 12; also taught pottery at the Cmnty Ctr

provide for all; here to speak for chn; the WV pottery studio provided progs and services for over 30 years

critical to child's devt, going from concrete, feel it in the fingers, to the abstract; otherwise deprive and affect progress; future professionals [list], creative concepts; cannot create from a vacuum; enjoyed teaching pottery over years and seeing positive impact; why being ignored in new ctr?

in old ctr 1700sf was allocated and in new at four times cannot accommodate; is another coffee shop more important than space for our chn?

8:54

Mayor: next; can't read the last name

Shen: occupant of West Lake cabins; my son was named after the Baden Powell Trail

have had difficult summer b/c have lost that cabin it appears at the will of the District; difficult to watch that process; here in spring and thought process wd be worked out; 110 other cabins given renewed permits; no line of demarcation that led us to believe we've segmented...

award to Hollyburn Ridge Assn, of wch I'm a mbr, hope we're apart of that family

my nbr today at the HRA AGM was almost in tears, super 8 footage shot from his old Chevy going up there to old Lodge, a mentor in cmnty

felt ev indication we'd be able to continue there; we were summarily evicted

in last two weeks trying to get up there to secure some items, there was a gate made it difficult to get out, number on gate was away that weekend; was carrying furniture out carrying down trail

maybe get permission to get; maybe wishful thinking thought we cd

cabins five fallow, five in good condition and wd be willing to submit to inspection; at least three of us v actively involved and in occupation

if no reconsideration, also concerned about destruction of them, how go about

communications, hoped we'd be involved

we're custodians of the envmt there; made it diff for ppl to get up there, but I've guided ppl to the trail

NSN article never a public complaint

I have a journal that goes back ten years, numerous times helped

I apologize for being emotional - it's the world to me and my son and family

if there's no alternative -- heard about a cmnty ctr and heard bulldozed

beseech the city the families for the ten cabins in worse condition -- be placed on some sort of priority

thank you for your time and consideration

Mayor: like Mr Pike and ....  fundamental that cabins were purchased by the District

CAO: perhaps he cd followup after the mtg, we're in receipt of letters from their solicitors

options to get some things out of there?

KP: they were purchased ten years ago; have afforded ability to come and get things out of cabins; don't know about locked gate but willing to provide opportunity again

Mayor: afraid can't comment any further b/c  lawyers involved.

9:02 18.  ADJOURNMENT

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