WVM2007-33
Ccl Mtg NOTES Oct 22
AGENDA Oct 29
Calendar to Nov 16/18
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
Breaking news (Oct 23) -- surprise! Dave Stuart leaves in Dec
(end of his contract); returning to DNV where he was Deputy MMgr
before coming to be WV's MMgr (now called CAO). Sorry to see him
go. V intelligent, capable, practical, forthright in our
conversations. Resolved several tricky situations well, behind
the scenes; not all reported.
= Ccl WORKSHOP Oct 29th: Rodgers Creek WG
Update
= Vive le Canada; BOOKWATCH (Elspeth's on WV!); UPDATES
& gRUMBLES (Budget 2008, Capers, Volunteers/cmtes);
ANIMALWATCH; INFObits; CALENDAR to Nov 16th
= Oct 22nd Ccl Mtg NOTES - Executive Summary:
Zoning bylaw to redevt Shell site 1305 MDr PH closed,
bylaw abandoned, new bylaw/PH Nov 19; DVP 2929 Altamont
with bizarre reference to trees/views wch ought not to be tied to DVP
approval ; New Ccl Procedure Bylaw introduced VV and Sop
already want amendments, coming back for public input Nov 19;
SUCCESS! Rodgers Crk workshop with Ccl will be public but will be
on Oct 29th a Monday night that had no ccl mtg b/c fifth Monday
so there goes that free evening.....; PQP has lots on Hugo Ray
Park (totally confusing for this observer), then Dundarave
Traffic/Parking and delayed Draft Survey Questions, ending with
Process (survey questions, mtgs, heritage, HRPark, implementation of
plans).
= AGENDA Oct 29th; Maiku; Quotations
*** VIVE LE CANADA: Weather --
wettest province: Nova Scotia; sunniest: Saskatchewan; least snow:
Alberta
=== BOOKWATCH
>>> There was an overflowing crowd at the
book launch of Elspeth Bradbury's A View Through the Trees on
Oct 24th at the Library. What an elegant book! Copies can
be purchased at M Hall and the Library -- $45 with sales going to the
Lighthouse Park Preservation Society. Buy one! at least!
and then another one as a Christmas present for someone interested in
WV and our natural environment! Excellent photos of WV's early
days.
***
Elspeth will be speaking at the Library Nov 3 and at the Museum Nov
17.
>>> A Reader called to ask about the
snippet (Byzantium/Constantinople/Istanbul in WVM2007-31) on the first
church in the New World (11th century in Greenland) and thus I noticed
provenance had been omitted. The obituary of Dr Shafi that
followed gave me the clue; it was in The Economist of the same date.
The book review can be found at
http://www.economist.com/books/PrinterFriendly.cfm?story_id=9900058
and the book is Byzantium:
The Surprising Life of a Medieval Empire, by Judith Herrin (Allen
Lane; 416 pages; =A320. To be published in January by Princeton
University Press; $27.95).
>>> The third book I've copyedited for him
(but not all corrections were made) will be released October 30,
"The Dord, the Diglot, and an Avocado or Two, the hidden lives
and strange origins of common and not so common words" (by Anu
Garg) but can be pre-ordered from Amazon. More on this next
issue, including correction to the mistake -- horrors -- on the back
cover. The book arrived at 32 Books in Edgemont Village on Oct
24 (980-9032).
=== UPDATES & gRUMBLES
BUDGET 2008
At the Sept 25 mtg of the Finance & Audit cmte I
recommended the initial broad strokes of the draft be out asap to Ccl
or a public info mtg (in Oct) so we can see that the minimum tax rate
is written as 3% (not end of November when we're getting into
Christmas vacations). Subsequent mtgs were cancelled.
At the Oct 22 ccl mtg I referred to the cancelled mtgs and lo and
behold there's now a mtg Oct 30. Thx, Cclr Smith,
Chair!
CAPERS
The Vancouver Sun (2007-10-25, pp. C4) reported that the US
Federal Trade Commission is appealing a judge's decision that
permitted Whole Foods to acquire Wild Oats Markets (the US parent of,
among other outlets, Capers). The FTC had argued that the takeover
will hurt consumers as Whole Foods closes Wild Oats (and Capers)
stores and drives up prices; and argues furthermore, the acquisition,
which closed in late August, can still be undone (looks like too late
for our Capers, however). [More on this in next issue.
Chess moves.]
VOLUNTEERS WANTED
Want to serve on a working group or committee? Call 925
7004 for more information. Applicants are requested to mail, fax, or
deliver completed applications, with a brief personal resume, to the
Legislative Services Department, or email to
committees@westvancouver.ca
Application Deadline: 4:30pm Friday, November 2nd,
2007
Editor's Note: do hope you're interested in serving on some
WG or cmte -- the more the merrier involved in the cmnty and
contributing to making it better; v strongly recommend you attend a
couple of meetings of the group to become familiar with the issues,
venues, etc (except you can't for the news ones, of course!) and then
you're prepared and can hit the ground running....
=== ANIMALWATCH
Meanwhile out in the Kalahari Desert, the saga of Meerkat
Manor (on Knowledge Network, Ch 5, on Wednesdays at 7pm)
documented/filmed by Cambridge University continues to captivate.
To chase away a cobra, they encircled it chattering but left one spot
vacant/open so it had a place to escape through. Flower's babies
see daylight, little heads emerge above the hole opening, for the
first time. Major cute factor.
=== INFObits
* October 26: 90th anniversary of the battle of
Passchendaele
* October 25: World Pasta Day
* October 24: 52 years ago, the UN charter enshrined
"the principle of equal rights and self-determination of
peoples." Twelve years ago today, Aung San Suu Kyi was
imprisoned.
Voices from within Burma:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/7058610.stm and
* Interview of Brit Military ofcr; he said: the govt
expected the ppl to be overjoyed Saddam was gone regardless of the
fact, loss of jobs, electricity, water, safety/security........
=== CALENDAR to Oct 25th
=== [M Hall unless otherwise noted;
confirm b/c sometimes changes]
REMEMBER the Farmers' Markets still on on weekends Sat/Sun in
Amb/Dund
NB: mtgs and places are put here as
given or found in the Cmnty Calendar. Often the DWV website's
info is changed. I'm going to suggest changed info is put in red
(or some other colour). For example the WVPD bd mtg was listed
as at the Cmnty Partnership office and then a day or so before the
mtg, was changed to the Police Stn boardroom. Both the Rodgers
Crk WG and the Finance and Audit Cmte have been off and
back on. Rodgers Crk wisely put a few as 'tentative' and that is
helpful b/c you know you have to check.
== Tuesday Oct 30th
~ 4:30pm ~ Well, I'm putting a Finance/Audit Cmte
mtg here b/c there hasn't been one since Sept 25 -- they keep
cancelling, wch is putting the budget process behind; Cclr Smith's the
Chair and I know he wants one, so let's see who wins.
LATE-BREAKING NEWS -- it's on the Cmnty Calendar so it's
on!
~ 6:45- 9:15pm ~ Cmnty Ctr Governance WG at M Hall (think this
is a final draft for info before going to Ccl)
== Wednesday Oct 31st -- HALLOWEEN
SAFETY / BLOCKWATCH NEWS Source:
http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/iyh-vsv/life-vie/halloween_e.html
- Improper masks can interfere with a child's vision or breathing.
- Swords, knives, and other accessories should always be made of
flexible material.
- Flimsy materials, flowing skirts, and baggy sleeves can all be
hazards around candles or flames.
- Children running across the street and off the sidewalks risk a
collision with a motor vehicle.
- Unwrapped treats or those in loose packaging from unknown sources
may be unsafe to eat.
- Look for costumes, beards, and wigs that are labelled
"Flame-Resistant". Nylon or heavyweight polyester costumes
are best. Even so, "Flame-Resistant" does not mean
fire-proof.
- Keep pets inside and away from trick or treaters and lit candles,
especially if they are easily frightened or over-excitable.
- Tell your children to stay in well-lit areas and only visit homes
that have their outside lights turned on. Make sure they know never to
go inside homes or cars.
- Examine the treats your children bring home before they start
eating them. Throw out any treats that are not wrapped, have loose or
torn wrappers.
== Thursday Nov 1st
~
4:30pm ~ Heritage WG (Spencer Estate on agenda)
~ 7:30pm ~ at the Kay Meek Ctr --Good Governance.
Does West Van make the grade?
So, to answer
your many 'governance' questions and emails, the Directors of
W.V.C.G.G. are pleased to invite you to a special Town Hall Meeting.
The purpose of this meeting will be to explore what 'Good
Governance' really looks like, and how our
current practices compare to the [Principles] of Good
Government. To help us explore this vital topic, we will hear
from two distinguished speakers on this subject:
Dr. Martha
Piper, Past President and Vice Chancellor of U.B.C. Dr.
Piper is globally recognized for her vision, knowledge, and
understanding of the role of universities in the vitality of
individuals, communities, and nations. She authored UBC'S
strategic plans, Trek 2000 and 2010, which serve as the University's
vision to become one of the best universities in the
world.
Dr. Michael
Byers Dr. Byers holds the Canada Research Chair
in Global Politics and International Law at UBC. He is the
author of several books, including his most recent book "Intent for
a Nation - What is Canada For", and a frequent contributor to the
London Review of Books, The Globe & Mail, and the Toronto
Star.
We have also invited
Mayor Pam Goldsmith-Jones, members of Council, School Board Directors,
Senior Management at West Vancouver [Municipal] Hall as well as
Citizens' Groups, Rate Payers' Associations, Chamber of
Commerce Members, and others. A reception table will be available for
membership renewal or to join WVCGG. We look forward to your
attending and to your input and questions. Thank you -- The
Directors of W.V.C.G.G.
== Friday Nov 2nd -- SEEDS OF CHANGE CONFERENCE at the Kay
Meek Ctr
With the environment being the subject of such interest at the
moment, West Vancouver youth have chosen to focus on this topic at
their 6th Annual Youth Leadership Conference. The Seeds for Change
Conference has been organized by youth and features workshops on a
variety of environmental issues.
Through support from the Kay Meek Centre, the WV Community
Foundation, and the Park Royal Shopping Centre, the youth leadership
conference will, for the first time this year, also be offering
opportunities for the general public to participate. The following
events are intended to include and engage the entire community and
provoke thought and discussion about environmental issues:
Seeds for Change Dance Workshop with Judith Marcuse
Friday
November 2nd, 3:45 - 5:15pm at the Kay Meek Centre
Artistic excellence combined with social relevance has been the
hallmark of Judith Marcuse's work as one of Canada's honoured
senior artist/producers. Her career spans over 40 years of
professional work as a dancer, choreographer, director, producer,
teacher, writer, and lecturer in Canada and abroad. She has created
over 100 original works for live performance by dance, theatre, and
opera companies; choreographed extensively for film and television;
and has produced seven large-scale arts festivals. This workshop,
designed for people who don't necessarily have any dancing or acting
training, uses games and exercises to explore the ways movement and
theatre can open up new perspectives (and also be a lot of fun!). Wear
comfy clothing. Ages 14 and up are welcome. To register call 925 7270,
Course # 465317. Cost is $7.
Park Royal Shopping Centre Presents: Seeds for Change, Food
for Thought Film Screening: A Stone's Throw
Friday
November 2nd, 7:30pm in the Kay Meek Centre Studio Theatre
Jack Walker (Kristen Holden-Ried) {Reid???} has been
travelling the world for years. As a photojournalist he
specializes in exposing companies that are responsible for polluting.
He arrives in a Nova Scotia town to see his sister, Olivia (Kathryn
MacLellan). Olivia is suspicious, especially when Jack starts asking
questions about a newly opened factory that's providing work for the
community. Camelia Frieberg, one of Canada's top film producers, makes
her feature film directorial debut with this movie which won the Best
Atlantic Feature at the 2006 Atlantic Film Festival. $5 at the
door.
Seeds for Change Action Day - Ambleside Park Invasive
Species Pull
Saturday November 3rd, 10am - 12pm
Get up early and work out some aggravation by yanking those
invasive species out of one of our favourite local parks. Meet at the
Ambleside Youth Centre at 10am. Refreshments will be provided.
Also on
== Saturday, Nov 3rd
THE DREAM HEALER at
the KMC
Rarely does a community have an opportunity to
say, "That wonderful opera originated in our community and
the composer is one of ours." We shall be able to say that
soon and to contribute to a successful launch of the opera. The
community is gathering on Saturday November 3rd at the Kay Meek Centre
for 'A Night at the Opera". The evening is a special event
in support the March 2008 premiere production of
The Dream
Healer -- an opera in two acts by West Vancouver's Lloyd
Burritt. This special event, supported by Phillips, Hager, &
North, Investment Management Ltd., will be hosted by Christopher Gaze,
and will feature excerpts from
The Dream Healer performed by
UBC Opera Ensemble
, as well as a reception, silent auction, and
an art auction. Renowned North Shore artists Jane Adams, Velvet
Bailes, Toni Cavelti, Barrie Chadwick, Kiff Holland, Peter Kiss, Sol
Maya, Brian Romer, Sylvia Tait, and others have each donated an
original work of art.
The art is on display, until November
2nd, at 1846 Marine Drive, the new premises of the West Van Community
Partnership Office. Bids are being accepted now and bidding will
conclude at the Meek. Tickets are $75 (with a tax receipt
for $50) and available from the Meek Box Office at 913 3634.
This is an excellent occasion to recognize and support our artists and
their contributions to the vibrancy of our community. See
you there on November 3rd! More info:
www.thedreamhealer.com
== Wednesday Nov 7th ~
10am ~ Cmnty Engagement Cmte
~
6pm ~ Cmnty Ctr Governance WG at Srs' Ctr
== Sunday Nov 11th -- Remembrance Day Services 10:45
at 1900 Block M Dr
== Monday Nov 12th -- Khahtsahlano Road Race ~ 7:50
- 11am, HBay to Park Royal
== Tuesday Nov 13th -- Cmnty Grants/Soc Services WG
~ 7pm
== Thursday Nov 15th
~
7pm ~ NShFamily Court & Youth Justice Cmte at CNV M Hall
~
7:30pm ~ WV Streamkeepers: Public Mtg at St Stephen's, 885 -
22nd
== Friday Nov 16th -- Arts & Culture Strategy ~
8:45am
== Sunday Nov 18th -- WV Cmnty Ctr & Srs' Craft
Market ~ 10am - 3pm at Srs' Ctr
+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY
-- Landscapes -- Nov 6 -
25 -- Lynne Greene, Peter Langer, Leslie McGuffin, Barbara
Wilson
Opening Night: 6 - 8pm Nov 6; Artists in Attendance: 2 -
3pm Nov 10
+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY
+++ see www.westvanlib.ca for more!
NOVEMBER
Thursday 1 Shakespeare's Richard III on
Film: Richard III: 6pm
Viewing and discussion of the 1995 version of the film starring
Ian McKellen and Annette Bening and set in the 1930s in a mythical
fascist London.
Sunday 4 Walking the Camino de
Santiago: 1 - 3pm
Explore ancient Spain's pilgrimage route with Bethan Davies and
Ben Cole, authors of Walking the Camino de Santiago.
Tuesday 6 Reading James Joyce's
Ulysses: 10:30am - 12:30pm
Please bring your own copy of the novel. Drop in; no registration
required.
Friday 9 Teen Movie Night: 6:30 -
8:30pm To register, phone 925 7408. Space is limited.
Thursday 15 DOC.TALKS: Supersize Me:
6:30pm
Morgan Spurlock embarks on a journey to find out if fast food is
making Americans fat in this documentary.
+++ WV MUSEUM
+++ BEHIND THE
WIRE -- Nov 7 to Feb 9
THE WARTIME DIARY AND ART OF
ROBERT BUCKHAM -- Nov 7 - Feb 9
The West Vancouver Museum presents BEHIND THE
WIRE: THE WARTIME DIARY AND ART OF ROBERT BUCKHAM. The exhibition
features evocative illustrations of WWII from artist Robert
Buckham's prisoner of war diary, journal, and artwork. Also
included are illustrations and paintings the artist produced after the
war.
On his tenth bombing sortie over Germany on
April 8, 1943, Captain Robert Buckham and the crew of his Wellington
MK.III bomber were downed near Dusseldorf. Miraculously, the entire
crew survived. Buckham was captured and imprisoned in the infamous
prisoner of war camp Stalag Luft III in Sagan, Germany. In his
illustrated war time diaries, Buckham recorded his internment, the
trials of day-to-day existence, the failed "great escape"
popularized by the Hollywood movie and his eventual "forced march to
freedom" through one of Europe's coldest winters.
Buckham concealed his precious diary and
drawings in old milk cans in order to protect them during the months
he and over 10, 000 other PoWs endured a forced march in the dead of
winter westward through Germany in front of the Russian advance. Those
who survived were eventually liberated and in 1945, Buckham returned
to Canada to resume his career as an illustrator and artist. His
drawings of Canada's countryside and cityscapes graced the pages of
the Globe and Mail for many years. His art was inspired by nature and
local landscapes, as well as his frequent travels.
Guest Speaker Series
A number of special Behind the Wire public
programs are scheduled in conjunction with the exhibition.
Distinguished scholars, humanitarians, survivors of war, and experts
in their fields offer a series of talks on issues related to
international conflicts and consequences of war. Stay tuned for more
talks currently being scheduled for January and February
2008.
= Wednesday 7 - 9pm November
7 -- Behind the Wire Exhibit
Opening and Reception
Special Guest: Katy Hedalen, Vocalist
performs We'll Meet Again
We'll Meet Again, composed by Ross Parker
and lyrics by Hughie Charles was popularized by British singer Vera
Lynn during World War II. The song resonated with soldiers who were
going off to war leaving their loved ones behind. West Vancouver
soprano singer Katy Hedalen sings We'll Meet Again as a special
tribute to those who served and dedicated their lives.
= Wednesday 7 - 8:30pm November
14
Guest speaker: Major Harjit Sajjan,
Reservist, British Columbia Regiment, Reconnaissance
Squadron
Topic: The Canadian Forces in Afghanistan
Protecting Canadians -- Rebuilding Afghanistan
Major Harjit Saijan, a Reservist with the
British Columbia Regiment where he is Officer Commanding,
Reconnaissance Squadron, served in Afghanistan in 2006 under Brigadier
General David Fraser, Commander of the Multi-National Brigade. Major
Sajjan shares his personal experiences and discusses the Canadian
Forces contribution in Afghanistan.
+++ WV ARTS COUNCIL
+++ visit www.silkpurse.ca for more events (most
ticketed)
Tuesday, November 6 - Sunday, November
18, 2007
'Woman - A Visual
Journal'
The human figure has been revered as a symbol for perfection since the
time of the Ancient Greeks, who modeled their gods in our image. In
celebration of what it means to be a woman, join us for an exhibition
of pencil and watercolour drawings of women by artist Pat
Rafferty, who is devoted to a better understanding of the elements
that make up the human figure and how to better portray them.
Opening: Tuesday, November 6 from 6-8 pm
---> For events at KMC, see
www.kaymeekcentre.com
=== WV Council Mtg NOTES Oct 22nd
===
* RECONVENED PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC
MEETING
1. CALL TO ORDER
2. RECONVENED PUBLIC
HEARING
ZONING BYLAW NO. 2200, 1968, AMENDMENT BYLAW NO. 4525,
2007 (re Shell Gas Station, 1305 Marine Drive)
3. RECONVENED
PUBLIC MEETING
DEVELOPMENT PERMIT APPLICATION NO. 05-016
(re Shell Gas Station, 1305 Marine Drive)
[Intro/description in PH Notes Oct 15 above]
4. RECONVENED
PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING PROCEDURE
[Mayor explained]
SSch: add'l info/report from the Cmnty Planner
Sop: this Amb plan we've been working on, hasn't come to
end
have seen hirise condo plan behind this site -- how does that fit
in?
GB: you're referring to on the Pat's site; when we did this site
not aware of that
that site had a mtg last week and will come to Ccl soon
plan does see this gas stn as part of gateway; didn't build plan
on the station's going
want to know what we can
Mayor: received further report, letter re what if we lose
services and Jubilee tree plaque?
Further input? applicant? public?
5.
REPORTS/CORRESPONDENCE
1) Reports to Council
received up to October 17, 2007:
J.
Bailey, Community Planner, September 7, 2007
2) Correspondence
received up to October 17, 2007:
R.
and C. Ash, September 07, 2007
V.
Johnson and J. Robertson, September 10, 2007
On September 17, 2007 Council set the date for the Public
Hearing/Public Meeting. The Public Hearing/Public Meeting was held on
October 15, 2007 and adjourned to October 22. On September 27,
2007, 748 Notices were mailed to owners/occupiers within 100 metres of
the subject site. The statutory notice of Public Hearing/Public
Meeting was published in the North Shore News on October 7 and October
10, 2007. The Municipal Clerk will note written submissions
received.
6. APPLICANT'S
PRESENTATION // 7.
PUBLIC INPUT -- NONE for either.
8. CLOSURE OF
RECONVENED PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING
JF MOVED THAT: all written and verbal submissions ... be
received and that the Reconvened Public Hearing and Public Meeting be
closed.
PASSED
Mayor: We'll discuss this in the regular ccl mtg
* REGULAR COUNCIL AGENDA
CALL TO ORDER
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
MS: add revised public hearing/mtg minutes; add item and item 7.1
re mtg
SSch: an add'l item for Oct 29th
2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES -- Oct 15
DELEGATION
3. North Shore
Family Court & Youth Justice Committee - Annual Report
Nancy Henderson, current, and Kathleen Glynn-Morris, last year's
chair:
All three NShMs: Courtwatchers Program; Domestic Violence
Program
Provincial Conference: Journey to Justice. keynote speakers:
Attorney General Wally Oppal, Complete Seattle Community Court
(Judiciary, Defence, prosecution)
Meeting with Administrative Judge Moss re improvements and new
process re annual report
Meeting with Superintendent Tomlinson (NV detachment of RCMP) re
privacy impacts to receiving info regarding youth diversions, new
info-sharing, impacts on office space for domestic violence prog (had
been housed at detachment)
Last week met with new WV Police Chief, Heed, re info gathering
concerning youth activities
Increase in number of domestic charges
In 2005, need to double the figures; shorten annual reports so
received earlier so receive statistics in summer so can be commented
on by stakeholder groups.
reason for increase in domestic violence may be b/c women are
staying longer in relationships. Lack of Victims Assistance?
Small increase in number of stays of proceedings; we are watching
this b/c a third proceed to trial
Of concern b/c may be a result of threats from partners so women
not proceeding
Lack of Victim Services Worker in NV court seems to have had an
impact; had been important in successful prosecution
YOUTH -- charges for youth increase, but inconsistent
with decrease SEE SLIDE
~25% of youth charges are breach charges from original
dispositions
extrajudicial measures at police discretion. Would like to
monitor what these are.
Time of completion improving -- 45%
complete -- Supreme Court of Canada says 8 to 20 months
PLANS for 2007
Internet Forum "Parenting in a Cyber Age" Nov 29 at
Centennial Forum 7 - 9:30pm
keynote speaker Merlyn Horton
= Task Force for Youth Criminal Justice Act Review; judiciary of
NSh participating; will come back to Ccls
= Family Relations Act Reform Review
= Change in Administration City of North Vanc suggests rotation
so change in Jan for a three-year term.
= Work with other Family Court and Youth Just cmtes to devp
TofRef with Ministry of AG and Sol Gen and prov govt
JC: three, five years ago I was the liaison and each year
improving, great
the Victim Services Worker -- how did we come to lose that
position?
Ans: funded by prov govt through Ministry of AG or Solicitor
General and Safety; victim of the cutbacks three or four years ago;
that was a worker with specialized training to support victims through
court system ..... loss of that position a real blow
continues to be an observed position
acute in domestic violence cases
JC: full-time
Ans: yes
JC: cost?
Ans: if M will to look at that we cd look at the models, costs
RCMP has within detachment (but they don't follow on to court); we cd
look into that, research being done.
JC: app being kept up to date
RD: I see we have almost no cases of domestic violence in
WV
Ans: yes; remember that you're looking at the number of charges
by M
there's a big diff, subject of discussion with Chief Heed,
between occurrences vs charges
RD: we practise more subtle forms of suppression in WV?
Ans: other factors ......
Sop: had opp to chair Social Services group and helped to
enlighten myself
taking a hard look; WV not devoid of probs
with all you know, why are you not pressuring the prov govt those
probs there ten years ago when I was there; you keep pounding
away
on domestic violence wch we shd all be supporting
{:-) I'm sure not meant the way it sounded!}
where are you on that? have you
through repeat offenders -- do they get a slap on the wrist?
won't do anything with them?
those incarcerated don't want to go back but we foster repeat
offenders
Ans: on the first, the role of the prov govt is a chronic
issue
prov govt decided not to provide services -- downloading or
offloading
reorganization of Ministry of Families, Health
tried to identify gaps and when see real risks we try to bring
them to attention
we're a body of the three Ccls and our role to advise and bring
to attention
not really part of planning, and lobbying .....
Many on NSh have lobbied, Safe House for Youth, loss of women's
shelter
prov govt has not restored those services and we all become
exhausted and frustrated
heard Ms express frustration of prov services
wrt Young Offenders, tried to illustrate the number of
breaches
we have seen youth crime decrease
avoidance of custody and instead efforts to rehabilitate and
restorative justice activity rather than harsh sentences
not much evidence custodial sentences have a significant effect
on recidivism; general decreases over last ten years, measures we've
been taking shown to be effective
Mayor: our Police Dept taken up restorative justice, they're v
pleased to be involved with that, with leadership shown by that
group
our volunteers in victims' services is growing; reports of more
cases of domestic violence being reported
have your social services grant application for the symposium;
Cclr Sop this is your cmte's chance to partner with the Family Youth
Justice Cmte on this
understand productive mtg with Chief Heed last week and he wanted
you to know he's very committed, particularly to the issues in the
cmnty and how we can work better together.
REPORTS
4. Development
Variance Permit Application No. 07-038 (2929 Altamont
Crescent)
At the October 1, 2007 meeting, Council received the report dated
September 20, 2007 from the Community Planner
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
Maurice Boxted (sp?) : owner of prop across, SW of this
prop
am preparing plans to devp my property and I can support this DVP
although it does not meet the current criteria of design of a new
house; it's a case of upgrading an old house in a substantial
way.
Joe Linzen: I want to put a second floor on; only talking
about a little triangular shaped piece on the second floor that wd be
added: 14-15ft depth perpendicular to the triangle
Sop: have you had any conversation with the nbrs wrt hedge or
trees on north side of the prop
helping out wrt view?
JL: brief discussion; but I don't know how far this goes into
consideration, how much related the one thing with the other
{Astonished with Cclr Sop's question and I'm sure the owner
was also taken aback -- surely there's no connection. OTOH,
those were some powerful ppl who wrote in -- Altamont after all has
large properties and is one of the more wealthy estate-like areas in
already fairly wealthy WV thus influential ppl -- big Liberal name,
one at least who works with BPP, another with Legion,
etc.}
Sop: some of these areas on M prop. that's another
consideration; I guess in a nebular [?] way when you're looking for
variance, wch you are, in consideration of that variance, what is the
cmnty benefit you cd provide for that area, if any.
{odious suggestion; since when is giving nbrs a view a
'cmnty benefit'? and how or why shd that be tied to Ccl's granting of
a small variance to a house, where in any case some trees have to be
removed and some retained for the owner's privacy???
Astonishing.}
JL: so -- as a deal?
{We were incredulous. Clearly, the owner also saw
this as threat/blackmail and there was a slight gasp in the
gallery. IMO, a totally inappropriate
question/comment by Cclr Sop, usually a much more sympathetic
character.}
Sop: oh well, you know, if not a deal, I guess ppl in the area
want
JL: sure, yeah. I--
Sop: push and pull here, is the deal that I'm seeing
[some cynical laughter in the gallery]
JL: I can totally see their point; it's just something, ah,
going into a new nbrhd, and cutting deals and trying to, I don't know,
it's not my thing to, to uh, in, the nbrhd like that, I'm more the
old-fashioned way, right
Sop: re Correspondence -- Madam Mayor said I cd go into
that
{Clerk's Dept correctly put the letter, 5.1, in
Correspondence on the agenda b/c it shd not have anything to do with
this DVP application.}
Nbrhd policy, being eroded
Peter Annable: live immediately north; had opp to meet with Joe
Linzen, welcome him to nbrhd, seems cooperative; want trees thinned
and preserve his privacy
Joe's made a good effort to go around the nbrhd; ev is in favour
of change; want opp at same time to improve views
JC moved: THAT all written and verbal submissions ... be
received.
then further: THAT Council approve the DVP which would allow
for a second storey addition with a variance to the required Front
Yard, as presented in the September 20, 2007 report from the
Community Planner
JC: we've heard from immed nbr and in our pkg tonight a couple of
dozen letters all in support albeit in one form; only outstanding
issue is this hedge... hope can find a solution
the house is, with the addition, will still have the same
footprint; existing nonconformities approved in 1987 so in effect the
house does conform.....
Mayor: can the hedge be tied in?
GB: some trees on M; and some on site; obvious to staff that to
put second storey some... tree-retention plan
for off-site we do have a policy for dealing with that
appears the nbrhd is working on that
wrt private covenant [Sop referred to], it was entered into at
time of subdivision -- not Ccl's covenant
Sop: what cd we expect re tree mgmt in relation to that hedge; if
this legal doc is valid, can't be over 5ft; where is compromise?
GB: wd conclude hedge on our ROW, but trees on his lot
I expect some trees are going to have to come out; there's an opp
to look at what you can preserve and what for views for nbrs
Sop: so nbrs can apply to City Hall, and have it signed off by
District, altered or windowed?
GB: that's right
PASSED
5. Notice of
Intent to Consider Council Procedure Bylaw No. 4483, 2006
(Revised)
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. Notice be given that it
is the intent of Council to consider proposed Council Procedure Bylaw
No. 4483, 2006 as revised, which has been further updated to
reflect procedural changes approved by Council, and in text and
format;
2. Following statutory
notification, the bylaw be scheduled for Council's consideration at
the November 19, 2007 regular Council meeting.
Mayor: can that wait?
VV: don't think I can. In 4.6 refers to Clerk making
agenda av two days before ccl mtg 7:54
say can defer but great inconvenience to public if Ccl does defer
something
really think we shd hv a timeframe more realistic
I think five days instead of two days wd accomplish
that
it almost seems to me what we get on Thursday shd be not for
Monday but for the Monday after that; often we have to research it and
two days just not enough
tight timetable we have to defer; I wd suggest five days, at
least something substantial
CAO: at this point just setting date; then on that date consider
amendments
provide notice, Cclr V has that amendment
Sop: I have 19 more, wait for that night
CAO: give some of them [to staff/us] beforehand
Sop: some but want to debate in public
CAO: advance notice, then staff in position to advise Ccl
Mayor: a lot of work into this with Mr Stuart, Ms Scholes, and
myself
MS: in view of that disturbing info that Cclr Sop will discuss
14...
may I suggest my Child Care [agenda item] go ahead, when some
of us still fresh and not sitting here in a dazed state
6. Zoning
Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4525, 2007 --
Information to be provided. {was at ccl mtg that recommended to be
abandoned}
JF: b/c of service station, abandon this bylaw and set a new
Public Hearing
Mayor: need to abandon b/c if full service at pump then it's a
diff use than the orig proposal and we have to begin again
VV: regardless of how this transpires, surprised in report no
mention of the Amb Town Strategy, reference of OCP and Design Review
but put up so we/public can see
Mayor: if to do with abandonment
VV: well, it does but now as mentioned [slide]
the Town Ctr, six blocks long and two blocks wide; [WG] wants to
reduce this length
describes purple colouring as townhouses; if you have a
convenience store right next to townhouses, won't go ahead b/c no one
wants to live next to a gas stn, even an attractive one, b/c open
until midnight
either abandon that as residential or have a convenience store
open to midnight
so recently received this on Amb, and seems to run counter to
intent; surprised not discussed as an overall constraint
same point whether we abandon or continue b/c convenience store
still there
GB: the Amb Town Ctr Strategy is imp and we're using it as a
guiding doc
the purple areas on slide, provide opp for residential or mixed
use, designed for flexibility
no ref was made to Amb Town Strategy but to Gateway report
does
MS: on Amb Strategy, don't think intent to tell owners what to do
with their land or take away their rights, sounds Trotskyite to
me
gas stn a vital part of a cmnty; nothing's more smart-looking
than a gas stn
{much laughter; esp those who know Mike has a 'petroleum
products' company -- Imperial Oil distributor?}
original question is do we want to return full-serve?
since ...... and Petrocan; only left with Chevron
offering full or self service so understand intent to
enshrine
Mayor: so that's in favour of abandoning
7. Zoning Bylaw
No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4530, 2007 -- Information
to be provided.
[MS moved new bylaw for PH/public mtg re redevt of 1305
MDr]
Sop: when do we comment?
Mayor: we're holding a whole new public hearing; now or at new PH
on 19th
Sop: I'll save it
7.1 Ccl Mtg
changes
=
Nov 19th Cmte of Whole to regular ccl mtg
=
Oct 29th to Rodgers Crk Workshop
BYLAW for Adoption
8. Regulatory
Bylaw Enforcement and Penalty Amending
Bylaw No. 4521, 2007
Sop: not going to support this
Mayor: another move adoption
[JF did]
Mayor: why opposed?
Sop: service charge, fee charge, don't want to go through it
again
but if we find ways to raise money, there's no plan in front of
Ccl of where those monies will go, how much raised, truly going to
have an impact on the prop tax and with no bad feelings as to all work
that's been done
if we collect school tax for maintenance of school props why not
find efficiencies within school yard rather than charging a child
$15?
add every year to an ever-growing pot or find a different way;
that's my principle
CAO: think Cclr Sop is referring to user fees approved in
Budget 2007, then implementation deferred to January 2008
we'll be consulting with the field users wrt this particular
fee and providing further info to Ccl in terms of the justification
and the acceptance by the field users as to its
appropriateness
this is just ensuring in fact that we can move those
discussions forward
VV:....Mr Stuart has answered my question
Mayor: animal control bylaw is all up for review
discussion the Fiscal Sustainability Task Force and Budget you
[all] participated in indicated user fees is something ev mbr of
Ccl wishes to explore
opportunity to change direction for 2008; sometimes it's
difficult to really appreciate the impact until we're right there;
is a little late in the game; discussion this fall for next year's
budget
CONSENT AGENDA ITEM
9. Correspondence
List [complete list in prev issue]
VV: Items 4 and 10
(4) Federation of Canadian
Municipalities, October 10, 2007, regarding Municipal
Infrastructure Survey, October 05-November 01
Referred to the Director of
Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.
VV: seem to be getting question in a survey form; how much $60B
of infrastructure deficit is available?
infrastructure deficit; doesn't apply to us?; want to know
Mayor: and look at Metro Vancouver region
take sewer, .... [etc] ... and what about landfill
v useful report
CAO: will supply Ccl with our responses to the the
survey
(5.1) P. and B.
Annable, C. and E. Shumiatcher, B. and B. Kellogg, M. McConkie, G. and
N. Yorke, P. and C. Strelaeff, D. and C. Longcroft, undated, regarding
Response from Neighbours: DVP Application (2929 Altamont
Cr)
Referred to the Director of Planning, Lands and Permits for
consideration and response.
{This is the letter Cclr Sop was referring to. It is
strange that it's here in the Correspondence List with obviously an
inserted number -- 5.1 between 5 and 6 -- rather than added to the
item on the DVP for 2929. Maybe it's b/c Administration/Clerk's
doing the agenda quite rightly judged that their request for
cutting/removing trees had nothing to do with the DVP.}
(10) Union of BC Municipalities,
October 05, 2007, regarding Member Release: UBCM Convention -
2007 Resolutions and Policy Disposition
VV: that resoln was endorsed, increasing [Ccl term from] three to
four years
ask staff -- for this or next?
CAO: just a recommendation; for prov; will follow up on what
interest is
Responses to Correspondence
(14) K. Pike, Director of Parks &
Community Services, October 10, 2007, reply to D. Robertson
regarding Esker Lane and Hugo Ray Park Proposal
{letter referred to in PQP}
10. REPORTS FROM MAYOR/COUNCILLORS
Sop: took tour of new cmnty ctr; size of gym, incredible ctr;
full length glazing, skylight; entire atrium skylight
combination with Srs' Ctr, Aq, with a central desk; amenities,
spectacular place
on budget, under budget, and completion date next year
Mayor: and quarterly report coming to Ccl in Nov
MS: are we going to cancel the report now that Cclr Sop has
given it, Madam Mayor?
Sop, angrily: why are you picking at me? All I'm doing
is saying I went to an event. You've always got to pick
away?
JC: He makes it so easy.
MS: it's an awfully big target, Cclr Sop.
can I ask through you to Mr Stuart, what's happened to report on
extra MLAs?
CAO: just on Friday received info from prov, confirmed looking
at eight mbrs will put on agenda for Nov 5th, reporting
VV: HWG did meet; has started work on Heritage Register
concern; wd ask heritage ofcr be at least be required to be
informed, given demolition applications, so can compare what's there
if it's of H interest
our Parks ppl sometimes do works of variance kinds; we have
heritage [near] St Francis-in-the-Wood; example, look in poor shape
but supposed to stay in heritage appearance so wd be interesting
and helpful if the designated heritage officer in Planning Dept had a
little more authority to request information
and cooperation from other depts, just to be informed about
what's happening
Mayor: sounds like an internal issue, v worthy considering all
the work that went into the Heritage Strategy
CAO: we can report back on that
{v much look forward to that!!! Heritage Planner
hasn't been in past.}
RD: Friday went to the reception sponsored the Wetlands
Preservation Society, held in Youth Ctr, Amb Park
driving to Park Royal you see restoration; Sway'wey, was Pound
Crk; Squamish Nation sent mbrs held a renaming; more poetic name;
restoration of natural area lost to them, gateway to their cemetery
wch is across MDr next to Pk Royal Towers to the north
MLAs came; envtal groups active were there, as well as my
grandchildren
Civic event that evening; celebrates our volunteers in WV, 400
volunteers; v fortunate in work they do
v well-organized, Library foyer can hold 4-500 ppl quite
comfortably, v nice building and foyer
want to congratulate and thank our volunteers again
Mayor: first event held in Cmnty Partners ofc last Wed;
fundraiser by Cypress Park Elementary students that only goes to grade
three; auction to benefit Coho Society; partnership with Ch of
Commerce raised $5K in one evening for Coho
brought that spot on MDr to life more there as more; very nice
opening; thank staff getting that up and running
first M sign that's had a Sq Nation name on it; First
Nation sign on it, first for Streamkeepers and Wetland Partners
first sign with First Nations, M, and Streamkeepers; shows we
don't achieve much without our partners; welcome
thanks to Parks Dept
RD: thanks; done a good job
Mayor: well worth it
11. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS
Mayor: seven to comment on Hugo Ray Park beginning with
Rabbi Bergen [Birnham?]
Rabbi: question wrt traffic flow in the nbrhd; on/off ramp to
Hwy
NSNews reported that Mayor said access approved and then NSN
later, Sept 23, said and MLA Sultan said access not approved, wrt this
confusion, is there a particular stance?
Mayor: may be a question of reporting; certainly at that mtg we
spoke of positive discussions under way
Brent Dozzi: staff have put together three options for the Min of
Hwys
MoH said they preferred one and if M were to proceed, likely get
approval
not formal b/c final design needed for that
Rabbi: time?
BD: expected reply within week; detailed design may not be av
until Dec
Rabbi: safety analysis av?
BD: one wrt a weave, that analysis has been completed and shows a
good level; just one of the three options
Rabbi: just one?
BD: the option preferred is separated by a barrier; whereas
safety analysis attached to option 3
CAO: mtg, maybe a month ago, we'd be providing both Ccl and
public outstanding info on the grant
hoping in next three or four weeks to come forth
Sop: Mr Dozzi, wrt decision as to options, has there been any
discussion as to who who's paying for it?
BD: expect M responsible
Sop: costs?
BD: three and wide-ranging; once detailed design for the one will
be able to estimate cost
? Wishart (???): On Sept 2, NSN reported scope of HRPark
once again changed, into two sections; further that construction of
first phase 1 and 2 will begin next summer and next phase, 3 and 4,
will occur in next two years
totally and completely opposite to what Ccl voted on Feb 12 of
this year
when did Ccl vote to split the project into two
parts?
when did Ccl give approval for construction to begin on this
project?
why again nbrhd left out of this process?
why does nbrhd hv to get info from newspaper?
where does NSN get info -- HRPS or the Ccl?
if this info is av to the newspaper, why isn't the nbrhd
getting this info?
if the newspaper is wrong, why is the Ccl not issuing a
response to clarify this project is as yet totally
unapproved?
KP: Mr Wishart is correct, not approved
four resolns from Ccl, latest one last Feb
Society came back; said probly better chance of receiving monies
if both phases went ahead at the same time
in summer Ccl said only Phase One shd be approved
Ccl said you cd do Phase One and Two; a more streamlined proposal
preferable
{certainly might be source of confusion -- did Ccl approve by
saying 'cd do'?}
that is likely they wd do and all the money they were matching wd
pay for
we've been waiting all along for the dollars, and has been that
way since July 2006 and resoln in early Feb 2007
waiting for full funding, then we'll come back to Ccl money there
or not
Wishart: seem to learn everything from newspaper and nothing from
Ccl; makes nbrhd nervous
Mayor: all offers ....
phoned the v next morning and had a mtg with him right away; glad
Jules Birnham [sp?]
put groups together; been difficult; met with Mr Barr and Mr Lust
last week; a lot of speculation and innuendo perhaps on both
sides
got summary from Mr Pike; nothing will be done without nbrhd
being informed and a public workshop; perhaps a mtg such as the one
for Rodgers Crk ..... report linking traffic .....
Ccl has to decide what to do with $2M raised from cmnty and
possibly $2M from prov; signif choice to make
waiting; frustrating; has to operate under
first is to get this summary out to everybody; hoping to hear in
next few weeks so we can begin
Sop: ah--
Mayor: a lot of ppl waiting to ask questions; are planning back
to Ccl; had hoped to bring it back tonight but haven't heard from prov
govt yet
almost ev Monday night we end our mtg this way; wd be much more
straightforward for ev to deal with same body of info beginning with
Mr Pike's summary on Ccl's agenda
Sop: for info, democracy in action; Mr Pike in all that I can
remember, and I look at dollars raised
phase one and two wd see internal workings of traffic better,
never dollars for extension of hwy wch assume a large dollar -- wonder
where that fits in, if stay within structure
looking at $1M or more for interruption of hwy, safety or
not
CAO: had a group come forward with a great idea; Ccl let them go
raise funds; at this point simply speculation
sure Ccl will want to consult with cmnty; at this point only
speculation
funding, improvements, many considerations, traffic mgmt; Ccl
will have to consider in context and what cmnty will support
Mr Wishart: can this be made obvious in the newspaper?
CAO: we keep offering to meet; they say unless info, can't
meet
Mayor: I've been told won't meet....
VV: I've been as baffled in trying to answer residents
Field Hockey and Cricket, now not....
Mayor: all sorts of obfuscation; Cricket included, that's fields
3 and 4
KPike: letter from their Prez saying they're willing to be
involved and letters from some not
but intention to involve....
Stephen Gibbin: my question's been answered
Craig Turner: I want to display this binder -- it represents
three years; in Sept three years
before question, quick background
in Sept 10 said tried to contact twice over....
and we've met four times with [staff, Ccl mbrs?]
also disappointed Hadden Blvd; no one from Ccl or staff attended
even one of those mtgs; painted as diff b/c we hired a lawyer
say that without.... ; there are 145 households
involved
HRPS seems to have an inside track, aware of ev move
when can we expect a proper and full response to our lawyer
semi-legal...
Mayor: if legal involved not
KPike: did reply and got answer that my replies were not
"proper" and that until they were our legal wd not
CT: reply was sketchy...
MRIF grant; perpetuated over three years
we don't want to; all we're asking for is answers
not satisfactory; answers we received no diff from efforts over
past 30 months
CAO: in some cases, we're just speculating
some we don't have the answer; to say not proper is
difficult
offer to meet; hope some sort of response wrt grant; hwy
full discussion as to what's proposed and what's on the
table
MS: v difficult to answer hypothetical questions
no finite plan for what's proposed, no money, no
just a concept; someone to come forward with a plan;
speculating
God himself cdn't provide an answer to b/c nothing, no plan to
discuss, v frustrating
Catherine Barr: My original question, Mr Wishart's question,
has this been split back into 1 and 2?
CAO: Ccl has done nothing, best discuss with Society -- they've
talked to Ministry
Once Ministry has answered it will come to Ccl
diff to speculate until answer comes back
CB: what I don't understand, ads in newspaper
here's the fields; don't know how [changed?]
four fields, archery, etc
if I gave money, substantial monies to that thinking Ccl in
control I'd want my money back if there's no plan to back it
up
what my nbrs, read this is why my nbrs upset.... why we are
upset; met four times with staff and mayor
we are here to talk to you
know our executive is upset at intonation [means implication?]
that we're not around, that we're not here to meet with you
I'm upset at what you're saying here again; you don't know what's
going on but the newspapers sure seem to know
they're the ones out there begging for money on behalf of WF and
field hockey groups
wrt support, we in the nbrhd not only one opposing; as you kow
Cricket vehemently opposes it now
and came to our intention last week was stated Cricket now
supporting this, we wrote them and they said completely untrue; voted
again this month to unanimously oppose the project; made further
concessions to require extra special mtgs to ratify any change in its
position; support for this project is waning
received 300 emails opposed to destruction of the grass fields;
do you need us to supply copies?
Mayor: we have those
CB: Outlook poll, 90% opposed to devt of Park
for clarification purposes; official letter Sept 7 stated in
last paragraph -- "WE applied"
has the District now joined? if yes, when was this voted
on?
why were we not included, or am I misreading this?
Mayor: Ccl supports the process
we don't know how much dependent on matching funds
Ccl is asking on a ten-year plan for capital plans......
artificial turf for field hockey plan for years and years
hundreds and hundreds, thousands, who play field hockey and
that's what got us to this
interesting to see how fundraising
if Ccl turns it down?????
put out to Field Hockey to raise
CB: my question was has the District joined with the word
WE?
CAO: without seeing the letter, DWV has said we are
supportive; if staff said WE then that is in error
CB: we are not the applicant?
Mayor: we are not
CB: ....
Mayor: ... 3 and 4 for Cricket
CB: what was voted on in Feb
KP: as I indicated
... diff info from MRIF
ours is for cricket to continue on grass fields and wickets and
that's our preference
CB: and it keeps changing
KP: when a volunteer goes out to raise money, things will change
as they listen to funders and agencies
we weren't v plsed to see changes back and forth
they shd go forward and raise money
Rabbi Smuel Bernam (Birnham?): thank you for all your time; ev is
speculative, things unclear and undecided
then I'll give my prepared reports
your comments are good but that's what's made the anxiety in
the nbrhd so high
the money is driving the program rather than a plan
we imagine something is going on and it doesn't seem clear
waiting for money to come and then go back to the plan; seems
backwards to us who live there
our group, represent 140 households, over 200 residents; aware
cricket players voted against
Dave Lust and Robt Barr are Prez and VP
they represent our nbrhd with 100% confidence
any claims of being obstructive and not willing to meet -- we
want to meet, want to know what talking about
money
problems to solve, unclear of what the plan is
to remind, the nbrs, right or wrong feel shunted aside
feel being ignored by .....
most of the hockey players are not WV residents
if you lived in nbrhd can you imagine lights, buses,
bleachers,
cemetery quiet will be
were upset and anxious feels like the train is moving to roll
over us
CAO: we wd like nothing more for the nbrhd not to be
frustrated
if there was artificial on 1 and 2, regarding 3 and 4,
improvement to clubhouse, 5, ....... potential access to hwy
while bunch... lot of speculation.... what tied to what...
come back to money
cmnty and society; wd be plsd to share with you what we have, a
sketchy as it is
clear picture from Ministry and ....
if you want to meet before that info, wd be delighted
Derrick Hawkins: surprised to note in most recent Tidings
proposed to change parking from nose in to back in
speaking to cclrs, they were surprised to learn of
this.....
did one-hour survey this morning; responses from 16 ppl; all in
favour of retaining head-in
the 17th person had a contrary opinion; only b/c not prepared to
sign it
was v encouraged by the v high percentage of support
merits of my position .... tonight when I found myself backing up
.....
know lighting but not adequate for that
BD: Mr Hawkins and I spoke earlier today
the recommendation was arrived at at a cmnty mtg last
summer
where we discussed ppl reversing out into the through lane
answer and backed up in Safety Guide; reversing out more
obscured
City of New Westminster has........ have some data
RD: went down and checked, rec'd call from Mr Hawkins today
go ahead or hold off wrt back in?
BD: intent is to implement reverse in parking as suggested by the
ICBC document
wd be happy to get the documentation
RD: I was concerned with Lower Bellevue; angle parking on N side
replaced by parallel, reduce to five from eight spaces, understand
we're going to be delaying
one possible soln, is that if successful on Upper Bellevue, then
expand to Lower
afraid ppl not able to be able to back into; think more fender
benders
more I looked at it, Lower Bellevue more serious b/c of traffic
going over rlwy tracks
....struck me as even more serious
take it we'll be looking closely
MS: was it the consensus of the WG, liaison with residents,
.....etc
BD: yes
CAO: this is the dilemma, if you can't back into a space, shd
we encourage you to back out????
{exactly! best riposte of the evening}
RD: my concern; willing to try
Mayor: going to try back in on Upper Bellevue; seems to work
fine; angle parking works better
Cclr S's question, what prob are we trying to solve?
BD: accident stats I have for 2004/5, isn't a high crash area in
L or U Bellevue; intent was to make UB as safe as possible and ICBC
endorses that
DH: accept the objective to make it safe; believe what we have
now is the safer of the two alternatives
Ray Richards: a promise made is a promise broken when it comes
to the cmnty satisfaction survey
Qs were to have been made av to groups prior to comment on
prior to the survey being undertaken.
This was not done, I wonder why it was not done.
Mayor: believe it was
CAO: have provided to cmnty groups; hv bn some responses, believe
some say not afforded enough time
RR: I believe the survey went out before the questions were
supplied to the cmnty groups; wasn't an opportunity to reply before
the survey went out
CAO: Survey Company told, process was to contact residents then
forward the surveys out; in a limited number of cases, the surveys
were actually forwarded that same week; when we found out, we
contacted them and asked them to hold up on sending any surveys
out
and they indicated if any changes, wd follow up with any already
sent out
in most cases, responses received to date and from F&A
cmte; indicate follow-up survey on budget, tax, and user fees; doing
that some time later this year
RR: Next question: why on earth the taxpayers being asked to
subsidize commercial prop owners
is it b/c the Planning Empire has nothing better to do than to
work for the comm prop owners to build a data base in order to assist
them in obtaining tenants?
Mayor: our ratio wrt comm taxation is best in region; Fraser
Institute commended us for that
RR: my question not on taxation but the survey of property
to provide rental assistance to the comm prop owners
why aren't commercial prop owners paying for this
themselves?
Ch of Comm or Real Estate ppl shd be doing it; they shd be
looking at this without any taxpayers or employees doing it; why do
we have to do this?
you try to have us believe that you're trying to reduce
expenditures; I suggest you stop this unnec expenditure immediately,
and let comm prop owners look after themselves; why can't they do
that?
Mayor: not sure if answering questionnaire, or objecting to the
question, or if you're objecting to...
not sure if question has to do with--
RR: The District is advertising that it's doing a comm prop
rental survey and compiling a data base for that, so that they can
have rental space for these props come Olympics or whatever; it's been
in the newspapers
CAO: I have no idea what Mr Richards is talking about, unless any
other staff
Mayor: it may have to do with the Games client proposal
KP: yes; will come back to you with this information; I can't
answer clearly about this right now; yes has been happening
RR: third question: traffic on Dund Lane, two-way, and talking
about apt bldg on 24th and M
certainly more eastbound traffic between 24th and 23rd; lane kids
ride bikes on
not one that needs more traffic
worked perfectly well with westbound for years; worked fine
if back in parking is so good, why in cmnty ctr all signs, don't
back in
along Bellevue, 'don't back in'; now saying back in now
safer
RD: not Lower Bellevue, it's Upper
CAO: point of clarification. Mr Richards may be referring to
areas in the underground parking where there is venting or
obstructions therefore we don't want ppl to back in and damage their
cars.
Mayor: Anyone else?
CR: Thank you. I wasn't going to speak so I didn't sign up; some
of the things about process I hope you will consider
To do with the Dundarave Parking, I too was surprised to see
it, but I wd suggest that as a part of process that when the final
plan had come, instead of just being announced it was being put in, it
shd hv come to Ccl, and then perhaps Mr Dozzi and others wd hv an opp
to explain the rationale to reassure some ppl
I'm not saying I have an opinion one way or the other on it, but
if you have process and you're wanting to inform the public, you wd
probably have fewer ppl upset if your reasons, and when it comes
to the final, were be brought out b/c we saw that with the Hugo
Ray Park. There were all those questions.
And even if you can say to them there isn't any information, at
least you've done it [replied that is, with the status]
I also, and I thank Cclr Vaughan for talking about heritage, and
I feel v strongly about having to have a process in
place
and one of the examples was that someone had done some work on
the roads in front of St Francis-in-the-Wood and at that time, this
came to the Lower Caulfeild Adv Cmte
it was suggested that there be more communication among staff
and depts to have a list of the heritage places, and for example that
that was the LC conservation area, so that v well intentioned sincere
staff ppl who think they're doing something good for an area when they
aren't aware that it's affecting the heritage [aspect]
so I really urge that you have a process in place that
perhaps any application whether it's for demolition or subdivision or
any change go to the Heritage staff and to the H WG
there are other things, I'm not going to take the time now, but
right now the most desperate need
b/c we've just lost two things b/c of demolition and they
[heritage groups] didn't know about in time
pls institute something so that the heritage ppl find out
about demolitions and subdivisions asap
the next thing brought up, wrt the questions for the [cmnty
questionnaire] survey
I listened with interest to Mr Richards and to Mr Stuart
it is true that we were told we wd get them in advance
when the Amb/Dund Ratepayers group got it (and I got it); the
first thing I did was try to find out how much time we had, but I
heard from some cclrs that the questions were already being asked (of
the) public
so of course that looks as if there really isn't any time to
have a meaningful recommendation or comment
they also were supposed to come in draft form, I was told, to the
Oct 16 [F&A] mtg so I thought that still wd be enough time, but
the Oct 16th Finance & Audit Cmte mtg was cancelled as was the one
tomorrow so I was surprised to hear Mr Stuart saying they had
replied
they must have done it in private correspondence or something
b/c it was supposed to come to F&A and it has not come to F&A,
so I think that has to be straightened out as to have the draft
given in enough time, and give a time line so there's time for
input
if there's going to be a follow-up one, and that's good to
hear, then cd we pls have a time line of when you wd like [it
back], what you're thinking of doing in the follow-up, how much time
we have,... I suggest a week, if that's not too much, if
you've got so many busy ppl
if you give ppl a week to respond that shd be enough, but pls
give them to us
I got them and I appreciate that, but when I heard that it was
already being asked, thought there wasn't any point in replying, so I
thank you [for] being given them, but pls in future give them with a
timeline of when to answer
CAO: we'll be providing more time for the next version,
and that's been some of the difficulty
we had intended to get it in front of the FAC, but instead what
we did was provide them, as we did with the cmnty groups, the survey
questions to the indiv mbrs of the FAC and asked them to email
us.
Mayor: Many ppl turned that around v quickly and said here's my
comments, so it did work for some.
The other thing to bear in mind is I think the purpose was to
find out what questions [we shd] be asking that we hadn't thought of,
but since we've used a professionally put together survey by a
professional survey company and there's a lot of obvious thought and
philosophy that goes into that as well.
CR: right; but I mean I looked at the first question and it
said "what do you think of the services?" {only one
answer possible for all!} library, parks, rec, fire, police, [ie,
space for one answer for] the whole list
that's almost a meaningless question b/c ... they're all
great, yes you can say they're all great, but really you wd want
something a little more designated than that
Mayor: this survey goes into so much more than any one before but
we chose to keep the same questions historically, b/c we use that as a
comparison, but we wd agree with you
CR: you need more information than that, but anyway I
wanted to thank you for at least the attempt; if we have a timeline
next time we wd hope to be more helpful
and again, tyvm for the civic reception on Friday night
Mayor: nice to see you there -- adjournment?
oh, one more person wants to speak, sorry no more names on the
list
Man: one of my nbrs had forwarded some correspondence; was there,
now it's gone; from Don Robertson; love to know what he's sharing; his
views unfortunately are not that collective of his immediate nbrs
within Esker Lane, me being one of them; love to know where that got
to
Mayor: is it on our agenda this evening or is it on the
next?
KP, Dir/Parks: This is my reply to Mr Robertson who is
Chair of the Esker Lane Strata Ccl; and yes, it's on the agenda: Item
14 under Correspondence
Mayor: yes, there's your response and his letter; part of the
public agenda
Man: thank you
Brent Dozzi: wrt Dundarave Lane that report did come back to Ccl
last November 8th, in advance of that report the biz assn and the
ratepayers' assn were notified
SSch: sorry, we didn't get the speaker's name
Ans: Craig Turner.
12. ADJOURNMENT
9:24
=== WV Ccl WORKSHOP AGENDA Oct 29th
===
7pm
1.
INTRODUCTION
2.
PRESENTATIONS
=B7
Rodgers Creek Area Plan Working Group - Work Program
Status
=B7
Draft Rodgers Creek Area Development Plan - Overview Report dated
October 4, 2007 (Summary
Presentation)
=B7
M. Rosen, Working Group Vice-Chair regarding Observations on the Draft
Overview Report and Area Planning
3. COUNCIL AND WORKING GROUP
DISCUSSION
4. PUBLIC
COMMENTS
5. ADJOURNMENT
=== MAIKU
2007 October 16 -- the germ was in an email I sent to the Mayor
of West Vancouver (when reading, pause between the second and third
line).
sometimes ideas, like seeds,
fall
to sterile ground . . . . .
on a
windless day
=== QUOTATIONS
...first, one from Dr Mardy Grothe (www.chiasmus.com):
On October 31, 1993, Federico Fellini died in Rome at age
73. [He was felled] by a massive heart attack one day after his
50th wedding anniversary (his wife died six months later).
Fellini was born in an Italian resort town on the Adriatic Sea and
showed an early talent for drawing. He moved to Florence at age
18, where he drew caricatures in local restaurants, did science
fiction illustrations, edited a satirical magazine, and wrote radio
scripts. He joined the developing Italian film industry after
WWII and eventually became one of Italy's most celebrated filmmakers,
producing such classics as "La Dolce Vita" and "8
1/2". On October 30, 1943, he and Italian actress Giulietta
Masina married, beginning a romantic and creative partnership that
lasted half a century. In an extraordinary metaphorical
observation, Fellini captured the magic of growing old with one
very special person:
"When you live with another person for fifty
years,
all of your memories are invested in that
person,
like a bank account of shared
memories.
It's not that you refer to them
constantly.
In fact, for people who do not live in the
past,
you almost never say, "Do you remember
that night we . . .?"
But you don=92t have to. That is the
best of all.
You know that the other person does
remember.
Thus, the past is part of the present as long
as the other person lives.
It is better than any scrapbook, because you
are both living scrapbooks."
Niels Bohr (1885-1962) was a Danish physicist who made
fundamental contributions to understanding atomic structure and
quantum mechanics. Bohr is widely considered one of the greatest
physicists of the twentieth century...
Danish - en ekspert er en person, som har beg=E5et alle de fejl,
som det er muligt at beg=E5 inden for et begr=E6nset omr=E5de
English - an expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which
can be made in a very narrow field
Carl Jung (1875 - 1961): Everything that irritates us about other
can lead us to an understanding of ourselves.
Cyril Connolly (1903 - 1974):
Our memories are card indexes -- consulted, and then put back in
disorder, by authorities whom we do not control.
Sigmund Freud (1856 - 1939):
Poets...are masters of us ordinary men in knowledge of the mind
because they drink at streams which we have not yet made accessible to
science.