Articles in Sunday's (18th) and Wednesday's (28th) NSNews; VProv Th Nov 22; VSun Nov 28th pB8; see http://www.arthurerickson.com/H_grah.html if you haven't seen the photos of the Graham House.

In VSun 2007 Nov 24 pA20 there was a Ritz-Carlton ad:

a signature architectural expression by Arthur Erickson, the recipient of the Royal Architectural Institute of Canada's '2007 Prix du XXe Siecle' award for enduring excellence and national significance to Canadian architecture.

Apparently five buildings got the awards for the best in the 20th century (in Canada), and two of the five were designed by Arthur Erickson: the Gordon Smith House (in WV) and SFU.

SEE ERICKSON LETTERS/INFO/UPDATE AT END.  Contact: heritage@westvan.org or 922 4400

= MAIN ITEMS Ccl Mtg Nov 26th:  NSh Restorative Justice; WVMLibrary; Hollyburn Lodge; DVP 5517 Ocean Place; Cmnty Dialogue on Nbrhd Character/Housing; AMBLESIDE TOWN STRATEGY; PUBLIC AMENITY POLICY; Funding for NSh walks; Apptmts: Library Bd, CEC, Metro Vancouver Bd, Metro Labour Relations, LMTAC; Cmnty Ctr Governance Bd Nomination Cmte; Adoption of fees/charges and Five-Yr Fin Plan bylaws; DVP for WV Presbyterian Church Dec 17; Correspondence: Vinson Crk, Hollyburn Ski Lodge, death of trees.

=  Vive le Canada; UPDATE (Cmnty Survey); CALENDAR to Dec 13th (Heritage Workshop Dec 8)

=  Nov 19 Ccl NOTES:  Black Bear Network; Cmnty Ctr Governance; Cmnty Survey 2007; Dog-Walking; Cmnty Heritage Register: Hollyburn Lodge, ERICKSON'S GRAHAM HOUSE (defeated); Wetmore Site (lease/sale?); Cmnty Engagement; Shell Gas Stn (defeated); Five-Year Financial Plan (public input); Ccl Procedure Bylaw; Correspondence: Qs asked re Ccl Procedure Bylaw Nov 19, not yet answered

=  Dec 3rd Ccl AGENDA; ERICKSON/GRAHAM HOUSE LETTERS/INFO/UPDATE; Quotations (Erickson's too)

Jean Chretien, born in 1934 the 18th of 19 chn, was the 20th Prime Minister of Canada, and the first French-Canadian Finance Minister.  He will be autographing his book "My Years as Prime Minister" at Chapters on Robson, 7pm Dec 4th.

===   UPDATE   ===  West Vancouver Community Survey 2007 - Results

Synovate (formerly "MarkTrend Research Inc.") was commissioned to conduct the above mentioned surveys since 1991, including this year's Community Survey for the District of West Vancouver. This report contains the detailed findings from this most recent study and, where applicable, compares findings to historical data as far back as 1983. http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=5433&c=621

How the Other Half Loves by Alan Ayckbourn is on at Presentation House (NV) until Dec 8, written 1969.

Thoroughly enjoyable.  Highly recommended for couples, but G didn't like the topic (deception of spouses however does make farce and sitcom).  Laughs especially in the first half with exceptional acting during the dinner scene by the third couple who alternate/change at the swivel of their heads.

Pity not a full house b/c it certainly deserved it (just as Dunsmuirs and Goat did and got).

One warning: to be 'green' there is no programme.  If you like to write your comments on the prog you're reading during the performance as I do, you may want to print if off from the website.

WEST VANCOUVER  Emergency Services Toy Drive  --  November 5th - December 15

Contact:  Const. Jeff Palmer, Community Services Unit (WVPD) - 925 7348; Assistant Fire Chief Martin Ernst (WVFD) - 925 7370,  Enough stuffed toys already!!!

{NB:  Envmt WG met 5pm Nov 27 at Worksyard; Ccl Remuneration Task Force 8am Nov 29}

~ 7pm ~ at SFU Harbour Ctr -- SFU's Urban Studies Program -

Panelists: Ned Jacobs, Betty Krawczyk, and Barbara Pettit / Moderator:  Frances Bula, Urban Issues Reporter, The Vancouver Sun.

        ~ 4:30pm ~ Festival of Lights -- Lighting Ceremony at Dundarave Beach

        ~ 5:30pm ~ RODGERS CREEK OPEN HOUSE; Hollyburn Club (950 Cross Crk); presentations at 7pm

        ~ 6:30pm ~ Cmnty Dialogue on Nbrhd Character & Housing WG

        ~ 10am ~ Cmnty Engagement Cmte

        ~ 7pm ~ Carol Ships and bonfires at Dundarave Beach

North Shore Business Opportunities Abound -- North Shore Spirit of B.C. is offering:

at West Van Partners Centre, 1846 Marine Drive; $25.00 per person including GST and materials. Please reply to: info@northshorespiritofbc.ca or call 923.2011 to reserve your space.

        ~ 9am - 5:30pm ~ Urban Design: Economic Fundamentals; See http://www.sfu.ca/city/course11popup.htm

(free, light lunch; ph 925 7056 to register)

This is a free event, and includes a light lunch.  As space will be limited, please confirm your attendance by responding to this email or calling the Planning Department at 925.7055.  If you feel that this event may be of interest to a friend or colleague, pls forward this email.  For further info, pls log onto www.westvancouver.ca/heritage.

==  Wednesday Dec 12th ~ 5:30pm ~ Library Board at Library

        ~ 5pm ~ N Sh Substance Abuse WG

        ~ 5:30pm ~ RODGERS CRK WG (probably briefing from Open House on 4th)

*** Dec 7th RSVP for party Dec 12th

The Chamber is delighted to hold the 2007 Christmas Party and Silent Auction once again at the elegant English-style manor house, the Capilano Golf and Country Club.

Your sophisticated festive evening will include a sumptuous festive buffet, a glass of red or white wine with dinner, entertainment, dancing, and a silent auction.

Why not make this festive evening at the Capilano Golf and Country Club your staff Christmas party? It is a great opportunity to have a smaller group join a sophisticated evening of delicious food and entertainment.

Dress attire is elegant holiday or your best business attire.  If you want to dress to the nines...go right ahead...it is the perfect place and time to celebrate in style!  Time: 6:30pm reception and no host bar; Dinner 7:30pm.

Please RSVP on-line by Friday, December 7th, 2007.  Our host, Capilano Golf and Country Club, requires advance numbers for preparation.   To rsvp, please go to the events calendar at our website: www.westvanchamber.com

==  Wednesday Dec 12th ~ 5:30pm ~ Library Board at Library

        ~ 5pm ~ N Sh Substance Abuse WG

+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY --  "Great Stuff"  -- Nov 30 - Dec 21

Special Gallery Hours: 10am - 6pm; Late Friday shopping until 8pm; Closed Mondays

+++  WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++ see www.westvanlib.ca for more!

+++  WV MUSEUM +++   BEHIND THE WIRE -- Nov 7 to Feb 9 

+++ Don't forget to check out www.silkpurse.ca (Artantarctica Nov 20 to Dec 2) and www.kaymeekcentre.com for their events

CALL TO ORDER

Mayor: Welcome to our Ccl mtg.

[much noise in the Chamber]

I'd like to call the mtg to order

[noise continues; a hand reaches over and grabs the gavel]

No, don't do that.  I haven't banged the gavel once in two years

[to gavel-grabber] you really got me.  Good evening. I'd like to call our ccl mtg to order

1.   APPROVAL OF AGENDA: changing order 13 to after 4; adding add'l info to 6; notes on Nov 23; and three letters on Graham House Item 10.

2.   ADOPTION OF MINUTES of Nov 19 Public Hearing/Public Meeting

Mayor: ... we have a v full agenda tonight, partly a function of moving to two ccl mtgs per month, and we're dealing with a number of v substantive issues, so Ccl will also have to be equally disciplined in their comments.  We begin with a delegation...

3.   The North Shore Black Bear Network, regarding Bears, Attractants, and Bylaws... received for information.

Lady read letter from nbr frustrated b/c noise from bears attracted to nbr's garbage; ppl are not being fined but there's no bylaw; Larry McHale [staff] recommended telling nbrs, etc (so she has done that): garbage is an attractant; a few don't always comply; Chairlift and Chelsea problem area; time has come for garbage bylaws; garbage also attracts rodents; other Ms have garbage bylaws; NSBBN will work with you.

Sop: Parks or Recycling -- how wd enforcement be done?

Ans: we're considering modifications to the solid waste bylaw in new year

fines? repeat offender? bringing report

CAO: may not have throughout M, just area where prevalent

Lady: we can tell you but that won't work; Larry McHale will tell you and they'll follow their noses wherever the garbage is.

[Report will come in first quarter]

Barbara Brink, Chair: gave background of mtgs; review in three years

Sop: questions but quorum

BB: low for board mtgs, often wait forever if 50%

JF: thank you; know how hard you all have worked; external review after one to two years, pls explain -- external?

BB: internally done but want third-party review

JF: ppl outside?

BB: agree on a facilitator to come in, look at partnership agreement

JC: M wd be joint and several with the Society in borrowing?

BB: is Vince not here yet?

[NO] provision is there

JC: we shd be careful about culpability but we shd be part of decision-making wrt borrowing

BB: this is draft want to make sure partners are comfortable

CAO: Cclr Clark right; before in position, M wd have to approve borrowing

Cal Davis:  biz rep with DWV Employees' Union, except Fire and Police

Mayor: and Library

CD: Library too.  We are concerned b/c we have not been asked for input or information about this

I learned about it recently and at mtg with HR last week didn't have info, concerns come to mind

don't know what role is for Vancouver Coastal Health and how affect our mbrs

how volunteers affect our staff; Srs' Ctr works well but we need input

don't understand why Health Auth there?

use facilities for free?  we can't

defer for a couple of weeks, fill Susan Ney in so we get an understanding

Assure you we're not intent on opposing this, want to work with cmte and Ccl

first we and HR have to know what this is all about; so we can cooperate

our mbrship brought this to our attn

CAO: really is early in the game to determine how this is going to work

a lot of the details to be

Parkgate model, Health and CUPE employees in same bldg

understand WVMEA's concern; will look into it and incorporate

Health Auth big part; better services for cmnty

Josie Chuback: we did meet with Mr Davis and outline what we did know what happened....

wd work closely about roles; no indication of concerns beyond that at our mtg last week

Sop: I move [etc]

I sat through eight months of this; thx to .... incredible cmte, etc; looked at models

VV: wd like to add an amendment to 5f; noticed Mayor changed, removing socially, environmentally, and financially; and it's only place financial appears

Mayor: friendly amendment; felt ppl understand what sustainability means but no harm spelling it out

BB: no prob

VV: will be watching

JF: support; diff models; WV wdn't be identical to any other one, but one for WV

Brave New World for WV

RD: I too want to thank Barbara Bush

BB: I'll wear my pearls next time

RD: maybe reduce board, our groups usually eight or nine: wrt WVMEA, no problem with their asking for some time, cd do that; do support

JC: I too offer my congratulations; didn't think we'd get that far that fast

looking at Srs' Ctr -- v successful group and am sure they'll be represented on board

wrt Union, personally wd say you shd hv no concerns; set out for adoption, attitudes

all want success and can't have that without employees

MS: still a little loss as to how this is going to work; see reporting relationship; to follow up on Cclr V said; cmnty spending $40M so shd hv some control, not to say no confidence in group; make sure of no financial embarrassment down the road, not sure how to word that

BB: the concerns you raised are the ones we looked at; also curious

cmnty wants to be involved

look at Appendix A; that one page delineates what will be shared, what remain with M

issue you raised good one; issues at AGM; don't think anyone who's been on a board isn't aware of fiduciary role -- it's spelled out clearly

MS: you don't see a problem with special interest groups stacking

BB: that's why a slate put forth by cmte, then seven days

that did happen some years ago, happened on school boards, library boards; did look at that

if a special group, board shd ask how they got there

it's quite imp that the board reflect the cmnty; take off your interest hat and act on behalf of cmnty

will be v vibrant cmte, users' cmte or

hope board wd stay at strategic level

Mayor: thank cmte as well; b/c of the numerous partners and with Health; felt had to come up with a model including all the partners; felt remiss if not present a model

increasing demand of public to be involved; credit to this Ccl to have foresight as to how can we facilitate that

staff stepped back

Appendix 3 -- will have to have serious discussions, eg will setting fees and charges be done with Ccl

Srs' Ctr and Library, how well with volunteers; funding opp

want Cmnty Ctr to be firing on all cylinders

who will be that founding chair and board, of flagship of WV

Previous background report received at the Nov 19 Council Meeting: "Mid-Year Review - Budget Amendment Bylaw"

This bylaw received first reading at the November 19, 2007 Council Meeting and was made available for public comment. RECOMMENDED: second and third reading

George Pajari: My apologies, not expecting the jump in agenda so a little less prepared than I'd hoped.

Thank you v much, Your Worship.

RL, Dir/Fin: this bylaw arises as a result of midyear review, part of annual review and reporting

that review was drafted in late July identified challenges at that time

once aware magnitude of challenges, we took time to make sure understood what numbers were

worked with new Police Chief, staff to make sure

did look at opps to absorb in other areas. looked at other revenues for offsetting

at end we did end up with $700K of net one-time add'l costs for 2007 covering off by a budget amendment

one-time to cover off; allowed a week for comment; received email from two residents; answered and received thoughtful comments

Qs about PCS amounts, want to make sure not from costs of construction

here for second and third reading of bylaw

Sop: I have a question

Mayor: if you must

Sop: can wait

Mayor: Nancy Farran chairs Finance Cmte

NF: here with Mark Reder and sit on F&A and was on Fiscal Task Force

pains me to come and bring a deficit to you but I think we have diff kinds of sustainability that we need to think about.  We have fiscal sust and we also have sustainability of our Police Force

the difficult decisions that the Bd made this year really centred around how do we ensure we keep a vibrant and effective police force going forward

tried to keep ev informed of difficult decisions as we went along

unavoidable expenses, extraordinary legal costs this year, there are personnel settlement costs, so you're all pretty much aware of that

begging your indulgence

as Mr Pajari did point out, we haven't come over budget too frequently in the past, in fact usually under budget b/c of staffing issues

this is an anomaly in many ways that this year we haven't budgeted for an unavoidable event

we do have a good record in the past

and sure you'll see credible budgets from us going forward

Mark Reder: a lot of our costs are legal costs

not all to severance matters; have been a number of investigations; trigger requirement of legal advice; subject to FOI and actions under Police Act; costs from various directions

Mayor: Chief Heed is here to present amendment; welcome to our Ccl Chambers formally

KH: we've done a lot; time of significant change

limiting our risk, better govt, better leadership from line officer to my ofc

embarking on a new strategic direction; effective and accountable; further strategic priorities with accompanying workplans

reduce crime and fear of crime; involving all stakeholders; retain great staff we have; managing accountability

during this period of change, costs; unfortunately gone through some turmoil and going forward

mitigating further risks

working with local govt and cmnty to make this the safest in Canada; must make sure keeping up in modern; remain safe and secure

Mayor: Fire Chief as well

Jeff Oates, WVFD: not a surprise to anyone here, brought it up in Sept 2006 and in March 2007 brought up models not sustainable

funding was not increased but advised to keep up service levels; notice in tax notice in spring saying about $500K shortfall

Nine add'l firefighters were hired when 15 more recommended in 2001 study

on longterm sickness, seven; two came back today

budget variance with Surrey dispatch more expensive than one we had with NV

...over in fleet maintenance, also mentioned in March 12 budget mtg

Emergency Ofc, WVFD looks after WV's share of NSh Emerg Mgmt Ofc; asked for more funds but turned down for that too

consultant fees with NV wch were unfunded

happy to answer any questions

Mayor: Cclr Smith introduce second reading and then have our debate

{DONE}

Mayor: if I cd lead off if that's all right

both overages, also indicate areas Ccl wishes to focus and improve; not wishing to shy away from challenges

wrt WVPD; we did make a v tough decision, difficult in litigious or personnel situation to discuss that publicly -- but certainly I kept Ccl informed in camera ev step of the way of what we were doing b/c of wishing to act in good faith

our Police Bd was faced with a real need for a strategic plan wch we have now, wch I think Ccl will feel v encouraged by

wrt FIRE; we know we have untenable overtime situation; thank you for explaining challenge

either rationale for increasing the budget or a new model

have struck a WG; benefit of cmnty working together; to tackle these tough issues

neglect of key depts and key staff

in a tough position tonight; want to tackle public policy and serve cmnty as best we can

supporting amendment; opp to be v public and steps we're taking to address those

The apparent once in 400-year storm cleanup took Jan to Apr and totally expended our budget for cleanup, that was as well, unforeseeable

but have had a good impact on our budget now b/c we got new generators and we've got to be better prepared

RL: don't believe I was aware of add'l police expenditures not budgeted for when budget was first passed

CAO, jumps in at that apparent contradiction: a number of the expenses associated with changes in the Police Dept were incorporated in budget amendments arising from 2006

don't think it was until after budget approved fully aware of all the costs; in fact some of those costs were being incurred as late as Sept and Oc; so this was something that v much evolved over the spring/summer period and certainly it came to our attention working with the Police Bd and Fire Depts as we tried to conclude the midyear report.

 

Sop: in light of budget being passed and tax accordingly, how do we transfer to cover $741K bill for overages of the 2007 budget? no indicators during the time that we were going to face any of this?

RL: no indicators when?

Sop: when in fact doing the budgeting, we were going to have these areas?

we all look for efficiencies; find it odd now have to obligate ourselves to pay this bill out of surplus

cd be said we cd leave things out of 2008 budget, that's okay and pay out of surplus

RL: never been our practice; practice to bring budget with cost/service levels as Ccl defines

we have deptal challenges, diff to provide services within budget allotted

then decision made whether to increase budget or not; challenge to continue

expectation that that dept will look at opp during year to reconfigure their operation

when budget passed, certainly no intention to spend more or to come back to Ccl during year to ask for more money

where there are challenges, expectations under normal circumstances, dept cut back in other areas

CAO: wrt Fire Dept, have been discussed on many occasions

midway during the year thought about different work scheduling; found not successful

comes at a certain point you can't make adjustments without safety

if Police had to reduce police officers, wd probably not want to re safety

Sop: expectation of needs

wrt Library and Police Bd, we sit and are not privy to initial stages about expense, it's after the fact

we've asked the Minister if Police Act legislation can be changed, where we fund and the Police Bd puts the budget forth

answer was that most mayors and cclrs in the Lower Mainland don't want to do that

Mayor: unlike us

Sop: we don't want to take away safety

if we in 2008 find efficiencies; and half way through the year; another bill we'd arbitrarily say take that out of surplus

historically they hv bn responsible relationships, worked hard to stay within; some of those expenses were brought to Ccl; not that the amount was a surprise; they don't look to repeating this

Mayor: feel compelled to add that the budget previously where surpluses were being shown were as a function of not filling positions and using that to pay for things that were not supposed to be paying for, and in that period from 1999 to 2005 we lost 34 mbrs of our police force due to the kind of issues that this Police Bd is now rectifying.

beginning with Chief Heed and Inspector Sullivan, moving right throughout the org

proper equipment, proper training, proper attention, career devt, all the things so essential and that have been missing

the past you're referring to is not necessarily how it seems; significant amt of dislocation grappling with those

feel we've done right thing and on right path now

wrt unusual legal costs, wdn't build that into your base budget on a regular basis; at this time of year we reconcile that

cdn't have anticipated FOI request where I produced 900 individual email, letters, documents; perfectly transparent nothing that you cdn't read in every page of the newspaper

huge labour costs in processing that; that's what's extraordinary

do think FOI requests are going to be something that ev dept will have to continue to budget increasing amts for

Sop: during the 12 years I've been on Ccl, we've held in high regard the safety of this cmnty as this police force was the No 1 police force in Canada.  With great pride at election time, that was the No 1 priority of many; welcome Chief to a new direction, glad you're here

but in the upheaval of all that went on in the past, wonder why we're still the best police force in Canada over the last 12 years I've been on Ccl

Mayor: it's the risk mgmt that is so key, perhaps sign of times we're in; reason why trying to restructure and refocus

MS: this Ccl is the custodian of the public purse; will confine my remarks to addressing that issue

we're being asked to approve a financial plan bylaw authorizing $1.1M overspending in Police and Fire

wd be nice if this Ccl to be able to assure citizens they can sleep better at night b/c we spent that money, not wanting to get into debate if factual statement or not

wrt Fire, as Chief said, this issue has been before this and prev Ccls and has not bn addressed

I know ppl wince when I talk about biz on Ccl but we can't have costs increasing at 23% over three years when 3% budget; doesn't add up

wrt the Police budget, recognize a large part of overage was severance dollars, but the Police budget triggers a diff challenge b/c reality is the cmnty really hasn't control or total control b/c Police Bd sets budget; they present to Ccl for approval and if we don't approve it they have right of appeal to the Director of of Police Services

I only know one person, Nancy Farran, was mbr of out Fisc Task Force and is mbr of F&A; I know Nancy is a v capable person; I don't know the rest so I can't comment presumably capable

RL: sorry, ask that question again

CAO: we can get back to Cclr Smith

MS: appreciate that the intention; nothing grieves me more than legal costs, like to see us reducing that expense line

Mayor: cdn't agree with that more

risk mgmt, I cannot stress that enough in the Police Dept

cmnty shd feel v assured with what's been put in place and also grateful not exposed in other ways

litigiousness of the cmnty across the country and the standards the Police are held to are v high, but as long as I've been on the Bd we've worked v hard to update between 300 and 350 policies that are out of date

in the case of the incident before I was even elected mayor, we were exposed; we have worked v hard to limit further exposure; that's what we're desperately trying to rectify and working full time

CAO: three primary reasons for the overexpenditures: the wind storms were extraordinary (if start to see on regular basis, will budget); Police (vast majority one time); only fundamental re structure is Fire -- Fire Chief mentioned 15  had been recommended and nine hired -- that's slightly misleading.  Fire Chief of the day and Union said we cd achieve what was required in terms of staffing with hiring nine.  It's not the matter that Ccl hired less than recommended, by adjusting vacation pool, nine was sufficient.  What we found is that is b/c of increased WCB training requirements and sick leave that the staffing we have isn't adequate.

Look at choices Ccl has to address that is essentially to perhaps leave the cmnty unprotected and assess that risk, or look at diff models, been exploring.  This issue is not going to go away for 2008.  You're going to see a recommendation from the Fire Chief to hire three add'l staff.  The new WG will look at models to see what we can do to address particular structural issues

wanted to clarify those three issues

Mayor: no other Police Dept in the prov submits its budgets early as we ask;  they wait till Nov is minimum required by legislation.  Our Police Bd works with Ccl to meet Ccl's deadlines.  We are the only Bd who puts someone forward to sit on F&A Cmte as well; pleased you Cclr Smith as chair welcome that

will continue to build those bridges and that transparency

nothing about our budget we don't want F&A cmte and Ccl to know about.

Mr Laing writes...... variances significant requiring transfer surplus thus seeking Ccl authorization at this time

wdn't be asking if not needed

is there already pre-existing authorization or being sought now; in paeticular wrt Police Dept

RL: there hv been Ccl resolutions authorizing certain actions, the only way expenditures are formally authorized is within a budget bylaw; actions have been authorized by resolution, now need to flow through to incorporate them into a budget bylaw

VV: main concern continues to be amt of money for actions taken

if we authorize our taxpayer funds for this matter in Police Dept, the conclusion has to be that we concur

but we can neither concur or not concur, we're not privy to full matter in camera of Police Bd in wch these decisions are made

we can't have an opinion or a decision to second guess what Police Bd decides

if we're neutral as to what's done, then we have to be neutral as to the funding

I don't agree we have to do it; I don't why we'd be here considering it if not a choice

I think there's a choice

we are resp for Fire Dept, they're directly under our control within limits Union makes it possible

think we shd have an amendment, to exclude the one-time legal severance and recruiting costs of the Police Dept as simply a matter of Bd's decision, and to be done following normal policy -- expected absorb and  to repriorize to fit within existing budgets; cd do it that way

if there's an appeal, if that happens happens; we do have a choice

JF: we do have a choice; Cclr Sop maintained this was an arbitrary dec, but it isn't, it's a Ccl decision based full light on understanding of what will happen if we don't approve

Otherwise I suspect and I know going to be a diminution of number of police ofcrs that service the residents of WV.  Wdn't be prudent. Once you've lost, those you've recruited, funding probationary years, mentoring, fam with operations in WV, how do you get them back

then future want more, difficult find candidates to do so

arbitrary; is not in best interests of Police Dept, citizens, or their safety

 

cdn't consider that at this juncture; will be supporting, find it painful to do so

sometimes things get out of control, require some pain on part of cmnty, in this case financial pain

RD: wd like to say, Police Bd not directly accountable to Ccl for management of Police but the mtgs we've had with them, consider them to be a v capable and conscientious group of ppl

difficult challenges over past year, difficult adjustments and changes

believe will lead to more smoothly functioning dept

lost so many officers over last five years, as many as 50%, costly never know how expensive lost talent; trained and they went elsewhere/ extraordinary circumstances

yes we have to dig into surpluses, occasionally we have to do that

Fire more ongoing; Ccl is trying to deal with this

sometimes we get criticized when trying to move toward solutions; what we're trying to achieve

coming winter looks to be a good deal milder

JC: can't say enough about the positive decisions of current Police Bd, yourself included,

unable to speak out in their defence, have taken one hell of a hit from mbrs of public and from Ccl

today, can say the morale in that dept has jumped five-fold, hearing directly from officers

changes made in past few months -- Mayor alluded to some v minor equipment shortages; how can a cop go out onto a street without a flashlight, and they didn't have them. I aim at, and using that metaphor

Mayor: be careful what you're aiming at--

JC: that's right, I'll get shot in foot

--about police bds in past, they must have known, if they didn't, they weren't doing due diligence; must have known some of the conditions that existed in that dept on Marine Dr and did nothing about it.

some senior ppl on the Police Force must have known what was going on from time to time or regularly in that bldg, and did nothing about it

frankly we shd be thanking this current Board, Chief Heed, and senior ppl in there he's now moving upward, for saving our rear ends

a lot of money, no one is happy, paying half a million

wasn't initiated by the Bd, reacting to a litigious situation created by the outgoing Chief

what were we to do, stand by and say and do nothing? no choice but to defend the Bd, this Ccl and WV

fully supportive of this; pay the price, cut losses, and let's move into next year with a bit of a smile

CARRIES, VV OPPOSED

5.   West Vancouver Community Survey 2007:  Report dated Nov 16 be received for information.

Synovate Spokesperson, Julie Winram: here to present, have 15 minues; if question, pls let me know

in past telephone and switched in 2001 mail, 2004 also; now this primarily online and v successful

conducted in month of Oct, results on 800 accurate to 3.5% + or -, 19 times out of 20

rate WV on quality of life, place raise family, place to retire

[slides] 85% v good, somewhat good, comparable to 2004

some softening dip place to raise a fam same for retire

top mentioned back three years ago controlling growth, maintaining character; traffic flow jumped up

didn't even have code for affordable housing years ago; really come on strong as a challenge for WV

satisfaction with M services; over 9/10 satisfied

dissatisfied, asked how approved, varies -- reallocation from other areas, or comb of increased taxation and user fees

report posted on website

{on DWV website, see: http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=5433&c=621}

environmental initiatives, broad approval projects to enhance envmt, discounts for sustainable bldg practices

78% good (18% v good, another 60% somewhat good) for District's communication

how do you keep informed about WV services and events?

District pubns mailed to home, newspaper ads, Tidings, and to some extent District website (up from 2004)

RD: when I looked at most pop features of WV, Library came in first, but if you took them all split up, Parks was way ahead -- up in the 60s even if you keep Arts and Culture; Parks most pop of our institutions if you add them up, not divide

Ans: take your point, fragmented

RD: at least four or five diff categories

Sop: many initiatives taken over last number years, some responsible devprs

paid for by indivs, not showcased; grappling with that in Env WG; world will soon be having a look at us; initiatives

we have a bridge built by our staff from timber found on site

citizens hv paid for restoration of creeks on own initiative/cost; enhancing creeks, group working on shoreline

if brought to forefront ppl wd be amazed with what goes on

Mayor: good to see healthy competition between public and Dept

retaining nbrhd characater while providing broader housing choice is a challenge WG grappling with

good to know those two main concerns of cmnty

JF: I enjoyed going through this material; we're similar to other cmnties; some notable diffs, not large but notable

approval rating for our initiatives, strengthen our initiative, and thank you for doing such a good job

Mayor. after motion of receipt: Thank you.  Mr Stuart, can we be assured WGs will be receiving the component of the survey that addresses their area of interest.

CAO: yes

RECOMMENDED: THAT

Mayor:

Paul Hundal: 22 years, walked dog; speak in favour of staff report but urgency; certain anomalies; apparent -- a month ago signs went up at Nelson Canyon

ppl have been using that as entry point

can have dogs off-leash, good b/c gets out of points of conflict; support off fields, etc; but the remote areas without chn's parks, etc for dogs and ppl to exercise

Nelson Canyon is the entry point for most of the trails on the western region

Baden Powell Trail but since Eagleridge Bluffs blocked -- only entry Trans Canada trail; not prob b/c not enforced and not known

prohibition goes back to watershed and public were not allowed in there either; no longer drinking water below

Trans Canada trail goes through it; trail built about nine years ago

particularly in the winter; not a summer issue, worried might be treated as one and wait; but can't wait till spring

vast majority, I'm going to comply until bylaw changed but doesn't make any sense; work quickly as you did Amb Park anomaly, discovered two weeks ago

Mayor: Doug Leavers of Parks may wish to comment

DL: we will be looking at Nelson Canyon shortly, was redflagged

wrt public process; discussing various methods; thinking about opening the forum again in modified format; so ppl can return to forum and get pulse on this while Parks and Bylaw depts look at this

CAO: issues this summer revealed need for input before moving forward

will be looking at multifaceted approach

not thinking of radical changes but addressing anomalies identified

Mayor: wd like to put bylaw on floor then have Q

Sop: quick question, bylaw before spring? enforcement

RB: enforcement on complaint basis; summer expired

JF: comment page 5 re encouraging a more dog-friendly environment; no dog image offensive

not ev in WV speaks English, or reads or understands; universal sign most important....

keep a visual sign easily understandable for everyone

when do you expect you'll conclude this exercise?

DL: already working with Liz Holitski; as it says Mar 31st

JF: missed that

Mayor: good that forum helpful and perhaps a public mtg prior to bringing this back to Ccl

JC: ask Mr Hundal, been walking dog for 22 years, what does he feed it?

PH: try to

Mayor: thank you and public for your participation

PASSED

7.  Update on Community Heritage Register:  report from the Sr. Community Planner dated Nov 16 received for information.

VV: work underway with funding from prov govt; tools for describing H value for Heritage Register; Sat Dec 8 9: to 3:30 Srs' Ctr

welcome introduction to registers and SOS, examine tools; hope we'll have a good turnout

CARRIED

VV: tempted to move an amendment thinking we shd add the Graham house regardless of application for demolition permit; shd at least have the honour of inclusion on this register, however temporary that might be

Mayor: understand entirely your sentiment but the most fundamental aspect of designation is the will of the owner,

and Hollyburn Lodge is publicly owned

and we're all on the record of wishing to see that preserved.  Perhaps the most appropriate way wd be to deal with that as a followup motion.  Or is there a seconder?

 

RD: depends on how it's put

VV: permission of owner not required to place on register not dependent on owner; there is no constraint; the placement on the Register simply means there is potential access to program funds from other levels of govt to provide assistance shd the owner desire it to make some restoration or preservation of it; this is the option of the owner, owner has no disadvantage whatsoever in terms of the actions that owner might pursue as a consequence of being on the register; in this case I'm contemplating as a kind of historic record and honorary listing on behalf of the architect Arthur Erickson

Mayor: wording?

VV: [to item 2, add] and the Graham House on Isleview be approved

RD: friendly suggestion make item 3

VV: I accept that,

RD: I'll accept that; second that

Mayor: separately

CAO: suggest separately; appreciate reason wanting to add this; process setting up registry, adding at last minute at a ccl mtg, not v good precedent for adding to properties to Register

Mayor: will separate

[Part 1 PASSED; 2  PASSED]

discussion on 3, inclusion of Graham house?

Sop: In wanting it to go on Registry, we as District wd cite it; the owner doesn't have to obligate himself?

VV: no obligation

SJN: there is a process; we establish homes on registration, go through consultation with the owners;

not sure if any legal requirement for that, not nec reason to pass or not pass

however we have had mtgs with representives of owners, have offered all possibilities Registry wd offer them, including variations of zoning, assistance. consideration of variances, all those types of things

we have not issued a demolition permit, but having had mtgs with the rep; owner has advised; according to the owners, the windows are out of the house and it is in poor condition; so wish to proceed, so we will be issuing permit momentarily; will be issuing a press release all steps taken

and all steps that Ccl and Cclr V is taking to deal with these types of situations.  It is a primary house on our inventory;

not sure implication of adding house to Register day before issuing demo permit

JF: appreciate the Dir/Planning's and CAO's comments; certainly questions I hear wrt heritage designation on private property

is the fear it cd seriously impact their ability to renovate their houses, make any changes or for that matter, the property value of the house

while no justification for this fear

it's kind of a bad way to start our process for a Heritage Register; may send misperception rampant throughout the cmnty

may end up wishing we had done nothing, so even if we were to defer this for a week for some consideration or opp to have discussions with the present owner of the house and only on honorary basis

if some ability to state it was on the list simply for that reason simply as tribute to architect, I wd prefer that as opposed to any passage of it at this time

RD tries to explain: only implication of passing this is that it will show up on H Register, demolished Nov 2007

that's pretty well procedure anyway. List we have goes back to 1990 that we're going to revise has a number of houses that were demolished and it's noted, wd be, we photograph them and try to keep as thorough a record as we can of these houses.  It's part of our history even though gone.

I don't see any reason why we shdn't pass this, include it in the Registry, simply be there as having demolished, and I think that's going to happen anyway

Mayor: caution Ccl to think about the policy environment we're trying to establish.  I think Cclr F is correct.  The last thing ppl want is to get all tangled up in Ccl mtg motions.  What we're trying to do with our policy is to get out there and be pro-active.  And what I understand works for Arthur Erickson's Fdn, is when homes come on the market they work actively to find buyers who wish to live in them, and commit personally to maintaining them and that is our best hope for success.  The notion that at 9:30 at night at a ccl mtg Ccl wd do something to you, is the opposite of what I believe we are trying to establish.  Our staff have had mtgs with the owners.  I don't believe it is appropriate to bandy their names about in a ccl mtg.

I think that our opp today, Hollyburn Lodge a key priority, this and prev Ccls have done so and appropriate.  Other than that, want to let the process work one step at a time in order to succeed in preserving heritage homes.  So I won't be supporting this, regrettably, but I'm hoping in a couple of years from now our policy will have worked and we'll have residents committed to heritage working with us.

DEFEATED {only VV and RD in favour}

RECOMMENDED: THAT Staff be authorized to bring forward a Request for Proposals package that would describe the objectives, criteria and process for the disposition of the Wetmore Lands, based upon the proposals in the November 19, 2007 report of the Director of Planning, Lands and Permits, for consideration and approval by Council.

Nora [didn't catch last name; Coates?]: just bought, selling?

SJN: did buy to reimburse Endowment Fund

selling; or leasing as 320 Taylor Way on 99-year basis

srs' oriented bldg; mtg rooms, parking

NC: our concern cd be highrises, condos

SJN: selling, benefit to cmnty; srs' housing devt, cmnty uses on ground, not commercial, not hi rise

three to six storeys might be considered; provide on ground floor; such as Amica bldg

NC: concerned about sunlight and view

Mayor: this is beginning

George Pajari: I read the report from Dir in Planning in detail; it's excellent, as far as it goes, carefully outlining options and reasons for each

surprised at what appears to be a curious omission of any significant discussion on whether the postage stamp park to the west shd be included in the disposition of the lands

cd be argued that the little park to the west is a classic example of an under-used public space; the nbrhd has ample public space and parks within a few blocks

That property if combined with the Wetmore lands cd significantly increase funds raised, funds that cd be used, as the Synovate study showed earlier this evening to purchase the Argyle waterfront, for example

77% of the cmnty are in favour of those purchases, 79% say the sale of under-used lands wd be approp way to purchase that

Another example.  Lighthouse Park desperately needs to be expanded for add'l parking

so I wd ask that Ccl pls consider requesting an add'l report on why the park has been omitted from consideration or inclusion in this proposal.

Carolanne Reynolds: Yes, it was a v good report; and there were suggestions before and I wondered if you wd consider instead of a mtg place.  For example, one of the suggestions made in the past was that the bottom two floors be an art gallery or an expanded museum rather than having to buy more space [read: or property] or build for that, and then put a few floors of residences/condos above that.

And the lease is what somebody wd want b/c the Adv Planning Commission said don't sell and the Design Panel was split.

I think a mix like that and then if you keep the park and if it's an art gallery, you cd have some functions outside...

so a combination of say, art gallery and whatever/however many floors you want for residences wd be great

agree with Planning Adv Cmte; was there when discussed and more passion; defence of land

not that object using for something else but of disposing of it and rush

unique; flat land good size

VV: noted from Synovate, specific Q re; parks, library, roads, cmnty ctr; various popular options

noted srs' housing, Appendix A, don't support the notion of special in sp area, shd be srs and handicapped throughout the M

already there, so shd not be adding that

not in favour of disposing of it at all

after thorough analysis of proposal

significant cmnty asset return far below market

strong demand for what wd go on that prop; know ppl who need that type of housing WV want

makes sense; staff to go out and see if a proposal makes sense; scratch my head and can't provide myself with an answer; enthusiastically approve; lots of time for public

JF: wd like to thank Director of Lands and Permits, good analysis of options, takes cmnty need and perspective into consideration

new cmnty survey add'n of lands on Argyle waterfront; sell land to acquire, v strong support

when increase size and scope, methods to offset costs increase in size, one was money from sale of this prop

sell or lease, req for proposals; support recommendation

Sop: no better asset than land; like to think visioning 20, 30, 40 years, determine our needs wrt our M-owned props; not going to support this, needs more work before sell off M prop in that strategic location

RD: listened to both sides, willing to take out approval

Mayor: may I enquire?...

SJN: a lot of work for a call for proposals; before embarking on that, want to know work to prepare material

RD: that was confusing; better to say consideration by Ccl

JF: don't have any trouble

RD: implication approving sale and that's a false msg; can't tell staff sure what we want to do

CAO: presumes you're going to do something

Mayor: concern about cmnty resources, tying up

buy Wetmore predates OCP, Wetmore one of the opp for housing close in, primarily for seniors, close in, cmnty benefit

cd staff give us proclivity; av for this as to all the things it might have been used for

SJN: deleted those

long history of long term plans, citizen groups, blue ribbon groups

wanted to know what t do with all facilities, Ccl's reaction was it gave them some guidance but diff to made a decision

specific area site; no need to expand current site -- quadrant with tennis somewhat flexible

arts facility studies, Kay Meek in WV Sec

looked at Police bldg, fire, M hall, etc; enquiries re srs' housing like Hollyburn -- Hollyburn House, that was assembled for cmnty house and turned out for srs' care proposal calls as this is proposed to do

Design did not make a cmte recommend

Cmnty input; real estate market good now; decision was made by Ccl to proceed

CAO: when offered, purchase  predicated control and make a profit; at no time contemplated we'd use

Endowment rules precluded use by M

have looked at it and not approp; wdn't purchase it, might for controlling use; value has almost doubled so prudent investment so at this point wdn't recommend acquiring it for M purposes, rather original intentions of Ccl

Mayor: now wording ends "for consideration"; will vote for it

[PASSED with that change]

10.  Howe Sound Community Forum regarding Potential Coal Burning at Howe Sound Pulp & Paper, Port Mellon: Further information to be provided.                                                

Mayor: moving to burning coal, Min oversight, doesn't prohibit, assumed they wdn't

Cclr Sop and I went to a forum, generally viewed as a regressive measure; dangerous precedent for other mills/cmnties; imp for employment in Gibsons;  Sq spoke of loss;

thought I shd not sign but bring it to Ccl

Sop: quicker and more economical, natural gas lowers CO2

Min of Envmt waiting to see; coal-burning wd undermine the goals wrt reducing greenhouse emissions

watershed perspective; think you shd sign the letter

RECOMMENDED: THAT the amendments to the Community Engagement Policy, as set out in the policy document attached to the report titled "Community Engagement Policy Amendment", be approved.

Mayor: fourth bullet "consider"; the other as printed in the motion

JF: delete expected; delete are encouraged

VV: little disappointed changes on cosmetic side, not opposed to them; hasn't really tackled conflict of interest matters

don't want to oppose; wonder why we don't defer it...

Mayor: hosted a forum with all [WG] chairs; that's where changes reflected; had this in front of us numerous times; been worked with and referred to v successfully

JF: cmte spent hours wordsmithing and ev word meant what expected; it may not be clear and unamb to anyone else; the conflict of interest is in guidelines/policy

CARRIED

JC: move mtg to end of biz

[CARRIED TOO!]

The Public Hearing/Public Meeting closed on November 19, 2007. RECOMMENDED: second and third reading

VV: reference to what convenience store can sell

Mayor: proceed to second

Sop: point of order, what's vote now?

VV: oppose

RD: what?

Mayor: first reading

SSch: motion is to amend the bylaw; then the following motion....  wrt hours

SJN: cannot be longer

Mayor: then to second reading when we can discuss

MS: move second reading; happy to give Ccl the benefit of my 31 years in service biz

in favour b/c replaces old with new stn, at entrance

will have latest lines, leak detection etc prevalent in industry

company has agreed to keep full service option to 12 hours a day, imp to our popn

realize repair loss, but industry has changed and owners take back to dealer of Cdn Tire

VV: wanted to know if in our power; matter of being able to sell tobacco listed; spending so much

health; can we delete tobacco?

SJN: use can be regulated but under zoning not user

may have to use other means; don't believe can be done under zoning

VV: covenant?

only option vote against entirety if don't want convenience store selling these products and odd hours

SJN: on one site when conv stores on other sites, not so regulated

VV: not open to midnight

SJN: 7-11 is

JF: with reluctance will support this bylaw

Cclr Smith has 31 years in petroleum and I've had 37 as petroleum consumer

reluctant b/c think it is a premature decision

not that they shdn't upgrade but with the while Amb strategy not having been decided

possible better and better returns for the value of the site, owner leaping ahead of decisions Ccl will be making; let it go until decided.....

Sop: wanna go before me

JC: --

Sop: think timing's off; haven't quite decided what we want to do

v imp corner; think they'd be well advised to sit and wait and see what we do in Amb

if Cclr Smith repair service not the way, seen that biz thriving, I've been there myself and others

support of Amb biz, one biz we're chasing out; I'm not supporting

JC: don't think we can tell Shell or anybody else what they can do on their prop

if not functioning properly, they can shut the door on whole or part; but we can tell Shell we don't want another 2500 conv store, liq store, or  ....  on that site

their own biz they can run, no prob

RD: the existing station nice looking, cd be spruced up, more landscaping

so  obvious just as you enter Amb biz dist; like local biz don't want to go to Cdn Tire

like local biz, local staff; this proposal doesn't go down v well

don't have enough mechanics and service centres, I'm going to vote against and hope Shell will come back with another, will work for them as well

TIED

Mayor: I'm going to vote against this b/c of Amb plan

this is opp; ppl probably happy; not that attractive; shd test

expecting WG recommendations to come to Ccl in Dec and bylaws in Jan

---[This was moved to after Item 4]

---

Sop: last week I asked that a description be somewhere in the Ccl Procedure bylaw wrt being received for information or being received.  I didn't see that anywhere

Mayor: little unusual at adoption; be quick; bit of agenda to go

CR: [Thank you] a question.  You know when this came up I had seven questions for clarification

don't know whether you want to put it in the bylaw or do it as the MMgr mentioned, on a schedule; but I wd like to have it handled; you don't have to do it tonight b/c you're late but...  so if you want to leave that

The question about biz days.  You mentioned biz days, Madam Mayor.  The previous one said four days, and then the one tonight says two days; you mentioned biz days, and so I'm wondering if that shdn't have biz days in it, b/c although I was told that days means biz days, the prev one said four days and you were not adhering to that.  I'm not criticizing that but I'm just talking about clarification.

If you want to do it in a schedule that's fine

Mayor: we wd love to accept your seven suggestions.  Mr Stuart, wd you like to comment on the biz days b/c I did follow up on that.

CAO: two items. The seven suggestions we are aware of them and we indicated last week we wd look at those and determine if in fact they shd best be handled by policy or subsequent amendment of the bylaw, taking into consideration this is a bylaw wch is constantly evolving, and we've changed a number of our procedures, and that will continue.  Ms Scholes may have a comment on the Interpretation Act wch deals with this whole issue of biz vs other days

SSch: A day is defined in the Interpretation Act as well as the calculation of time; it's been our solicitor's recommendation that we simply defer to the Interpretation Act definition in that regard, and that has been the case in all the prev Ccl Procedure Bylaws as well.

SSch: day actually includes Saturday, but it has been our longstanding practice that it be our biz days, and that is the same wrt our notification procedures and our devt application bylaws where it also refers to day.

Mayor: so the question wd be, why not put biz day in the bylaw?

SSch: if that is Ccl's wish

Mayor: that is our intent, that is our practice

Ssch: the bylaw wd hv to be rescinded, the third reading amendment wd need to be made and then brought back for adoption next week.

CAO: to make it clear so all on same page, question to rescind etc; or certainly v clear understanding this is biz days; next opp to revise the bylaw, we'll bring that forward with that revision

Mayor: fine; move these procedures along legislatively

CR: Okay, next time

17.       Development Variance Permit Application 07-039 (4102 Burkehill Road)

18.       Correspondence List:

KP: no I can't explain fully; demand from minor hockey; can come back why discrepancy with Whistler; I know Mr Johnson wanted to come

Mayor: ?

Mayor: conference at Wall Ctr last week, will present this to Cclr Day

recipient of award; as a coordinated group

RD: In M hall or my home?

RD: Rodgers Crk; 210 acres; excellent; changing way we devp above Upper Lands; sgl to clustered multi fam

ready to go to public with proposals; Rodgers Crk Planning Open House 5:30pm Tues Dec 4 presentation at 7

Attended along with Insp Sullivan, police honours at Govt House; our constable Stephen McQuaig (sp?)

honoured for bravery, breaking up a party at beach Sandy Cove

police officer got him to turn around and swim back, but he cdn't; so Const McQuaid jumped into water, in ocean, in freezing cold, and saved his life; Solicitor-Gen Les cdn't have been nicer; great to support our forces, things they do day in and day out.

RD: clipped out of newspaper; needs to be underlined WV girls' field hockey, Highlanders, record of 27 wins and 0 losses; in playoffs won six straight games; played finals and won 3 to 2; they're quite extraordinary champions and I think we shd invite them to a ccl mtg and give them some kind of award

Mayor: they were featured on Friday night and 1960 last time they did that well, although they provide many championship teams.

CR: Thank you. Carolanne Reynolds, Editor of West Van Matters [holding one up]

Two v quick comments and questions.

I just wanted to say that my newsletter has never commented on the Police Chief per se, and I don't mean to now.  I think the questions about foreseeing the overruns was a question of how it was done, and the question of addressing priorities [reprioritizing] I thought, if the Police/Bd were to do that, the Police wd never fire new hires [as Cclr JF said].  It wd be done through attrition, so I don't think that's the case [choice]; that's a red herring.

I'm glad to hear the morale has improved, I'm glad to hear that you're moving forward.  We're all grateful for our Police Force in the past and the present. They're all great ppl; they stand on guard for us.

In the past, the budget was discussed in an open mtg, and then it's been closed recently, and I'm hoping that under your leadership, Mayor Goldsmith-Jones, that they will go back to openness in discussing the Police budget and that's especially true something to be concerned about b/c of what's happened, even with your assurances that this won't happen -- and I'm sure it won't -- but I think it wd help perception if those mtgs were back to being open as they used to be.

My other question, the other thing is

btw, four architects have looked at the bldg and it is in restorable condition

I'm not suggesting you have to do this; it is in restorable condition, it's not that it's beyond hope.

and obviously we wd like the owners to feel that it is an honour and has prestige to live there and if they want a bigger house [fine]; I wd also like to assure ppl who are worried about heritage as a cclr mentioned earlier; if it's on the Register wch cd hv bn done, don't have to have permission, I'm sure that this Ccl and the cmnty wd like to ENCOURAGE ppl to [want to] be on the register so they wd qualify for incentives

This wd not be a negative, shd not be seen as negative, they can put additions, they can modernize, and it will increase the value; so I want heritage to be seen as a positive thing that they wd be scrambling to have b/c of the benefits that wd come from what honouring our heritage.

21. ADJOURNMENT

you're joking!

it's not really December, is it?

Who set my life video to fast forward???

Think about the Ccl Procedures 'day debate' during the last ccl mtg.

CALL TO ORDER

1.  APPROVAL OF AGENDA

2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES: November 19, 2007 Regular Council Meeting.

DELEGATIONS

3.  North Shore Restorative Justice Society, regarding North Shore Restorative Justice Society Expansion

4.  Update regarding West Vancouver Memorial Library Board (File: 1905-04)

     Presentation to be provided.                 

5.  Hollyburn Lodge: Past, Present and Future (File: 0591-20-LODGE)

     Presentation to be provided.                 

6.   Development Variance Permit Application No. 07-042 (5517 Ocean Place) (File: 1010-20-07-042)

At the November 19, 2007 meeting, Council received the report dated November 9, 2007 from the Community Planner ... attached for reference.

RECOMMENDED:  all written and verbal submissions, regarding DVP be received.

If Council wishes a further staff report, then

RECOMMENDED:  THAT Staff report back to Council

RECOMMENDED:  THAT DVP...which would allow for: a basement addition that results in variances to siting, height and highest building face; and a new pool with a variance to accessory building height, be approved.

7.  Status Report on the Community Dialogue on Neighbourhood Character and Housing (File: 2585-23)

9.         Public Amenity Contribution Policy (File: 1008-00/0282-20-303)

            RECOMMENDED:  THAT the Public Amenity Contribution Policy be adopted.

 {ADRA's letter has already been sent but not the required 11 days before mtg for it to be on this agenda.  We knew it was coming soon but not that it wd be Dec 3rd.  ADRA's recommendaton is that the cmnty share be approximately 75% and as to what benefits/amenities, that to be decided after public consultation.}

 

10.       UBCM Grant - 2008 Community Health Promotion Funding for North Shore Walks

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the District's application to the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) Community Health Promotion Fund for a grant of $35,000 be endorsed to support the Active North Shore Network in 2008, and staff be directed to provide any required grant and financial management support for the associated North Shore Walks program.

 11.       Appointments to Library Board (File: 1905-04)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the following Trustees be appointed to the West Vancouver Memorial Library Board for a term ending December 31, 2008 in order to fill the three vacancies on the Board: Nicole Brown, Paul Tutsch, and Bruce Carter.

12.       Appointments to the Community Engagement Committee for 2008 (File: 0116-20-CEC)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the following reappointments to the Community Engagement Committee for a term ending December 31, 2008 be approved: Patricia Bolton, Carolanne Reynolds, and Alex Tunner.

13.       Appointments to Metro Vancouver Board of Directors, Metro Vancouver Labour Relations Board and Lower Mainland Treaty Advisory Committee (LMTAC)

RECOMMENDED: THAT the following appointments be approved for 2008:

Metro Vancouver Board of Directors:  Mayor Goldsmith-Jones; Alternate:  Councillor Clark

Metro Vancouver Labour Relations Board: Councillor Day;  Alternate:  Councillor Soprovich

Councillor Ferguson, Alternate: Councillor Day; Staff Rep:  R. Beauchamp, Director/Administrative Services.

            Report to be provided.

15.       Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005, Amendment Bylaw No. 4532, 2007 - Business Licence Fees

16.       [Five-]Year Financial Plan Bylaw No. 4510, 2007, Amendment Bylaw No. 4529, 2007

17.      Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence

=B7         Item 18 - Development Variance Permit Application No. 07-046 (2893 Marine   Drive - West Vancouver Presbyterian Church) (to set date for consideration on December 17, 2007); and

=B7        Item 19 - Correspondence List.

18.       Development Variance Permit Application No. 07-046 (2893 Marine Drive - West Vancouver Presbyterian Church)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the report dated November 22, 2007, titled Development Variance Permit Application No. 07-046 (2893 Marine Drive - West Vancouver Presbyterian Church) be received for consideration on Monday, December 17, 2007.

20. REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS   21. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS    23. ADJOURNMENT

CORRECTION:

Staff had told the HWG that there were eight Erickson houses in WV; they now say that there are 12.

***  wrt DWV PRESS RELEASE -- for your (disappointed) information, but first.....

Great opportunity to explain what a register is and it is well-written and described; hope it will spur ppl to take notice of heritage assets and to protect, maintain, and honour them and their place in our past and in BC's and Canada's culture.

Pls note that adding to a heritage structure or making some alterations is not prohibited, nor might it greatly affect heritage status.  Modernizing or updating a kitchen or bathroom is rarely of concern.  Of course, most when adding to a structure do so in a style the same or similar or sympathetic to the existing one and this wd even be encouraged.

The PR quite rightly and carefully says that the 'owner has determined...a deteriorated condition".   It was lived in until about three months ago, so there has not been much deterioration and several architects who have looked at it confirmed it cd be restored.

As I have said now for 20 years once back in Canada, we must work very hard to tell newcomers and children about our heritage.  We live next to a cultural colossus with few barriers to or little protection from the tidal wave of influence, (indoctrination,) TV, etc washing over us.  A person's identity is central to being, and meaning provides richness and depth to our lives as we marvel at the mystery wch is life.......

***  Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2007 13:08:00 -0800  DWV -- For Immediate Release

A listing on the Register will establish the 'eligibility' of heritage resources for conservation incentives and funding programs, but a listing does not mean protection.  The District hopes that in the future, owners of heritage properties will be able to consider economically-viable and attractive alternatives to demolition.  In exchange for take-up of conservation incentives, the District will seek some form of legal protection - to ensure a 'win-win' result for the community and the property owner.  For more information about heritage conservation in West Vancouver visit www.westvancouver.ca/heritage.

To: heritage@westvan.org

> Sent: Wed 11/28/2007 12:29 PM -- Subject: Blockade of Erickson Demolition

Out of 10,000 kilometers of coastline, how is it that the oblivious [owner] cannot find an alternative destination for his dream home in British Columbia, especially when 10,000 replicas of his probably monstrous new home already exist in every neighbourhood we have. The knocking down of this house is a cultural disaster, not unlike the demolition of the Buddhas of Bamiyan in Afghanistan that made everyone in the west cry foul. The next thing we will hear is the government of Barcelona tearing down the Sagrada Familia [Cathedral] in Barcelona because it has the potential to become a drugstore.

This Arthur Erickson House is truly his finest, and a West Coast icon. It borrows from traditional native building strategies and aesthetics.  It is the best example of how we invent something new out of something old.  It fits into its natural landscape as an equal to the best Japanese garden temples.

Where is the class?

All that climbs up the mountain is a load of crass. West Vancouver Mayor Pam Goldsmith Jones says that we can use this episode to learn for "next time". That sounds really funny in a place like Vancouver, which has not produced a noteworthy designer since Erickson, who is now over eighty years old. "Next time" Arthur Erickson is born, creates

an intuitive and category shattering masterpiece, waits for that to be ignored by banality and insensitivity marching along, then maybe our great-great-great grandchildren will intervene, remembering our courageous example! If anybody has photographs of the house, please keep them. We can give them to the Museum of Anthropology to display in a small glass case.

That would be a fitting and faithful end for culture on the West Coast.

It is the responsibility of District of West Vancouver Councillors to protect our heritage.

Sincerely, A.M.

> Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2007 11:07:19 -0800: LETTERS RE GRAHAM HOUSE

=A7  To: Carolanne Reynolds <carolanne@heritage.westvan.org>

As an important member of our community, Mr Lalji should appreciate and respect the cultural and historical values of the Graham House.  I suspect he has been given the standard misinformation by designers and contractors that renovations are more expensive than complete demolition and building all new which is not correct.  If one takes a sustainable approach to a project they will realize the embodied energy in the existing structure has tremendous value.  Materials and labour have multiplied ten times since 1963.  The refurbishing of the building envelope and finishes is simple and less than 30% of the cost of construction.

A permit and demolition should not be allowed until new plans are submitted and approved as the owner might change his mind when he finds out he is not allowed to blast out hundreds of cubic metres of rock and has to stay within building heights and setbacks set by bylaws.  Blasting of rock being also a huge unnecessary expense in good architecture.

[Signed] T. B., MRAIC, MAIBC (ret'd)

=A7  Carolanne,

I went through the site and can concur with others that there is no rot. The structure and framing is in very good condition. Mould is the buzz word for those who want to condemn a building, sue others to pay for upgrades, etc. There was no obvious mould problem in the Graham House and if there were, it is a simple matter to deal with: spray to kill the mould or simply dry the area out. The entire structure has been exposed and it could be reroofed and reglazed with thermally improved windows and rainscreen walls. As I stated before the design is there, priceless; the structure and framing are in place = approximately 30% of the cost of the building.  To me it makes ultimate sense to renovate.

In this day and age when we are all concerned about global warming and sustainability, how can we justify these massive houses which require so much energy  and natural resources to build, let alone run. The renovation of the Graham House would be a great example of sustainable practice as well as honouring our heritage.

Sincerely,  T.B., MRAIC, MAIBC (ret'd)

Had thought WVM wd be out but delayed so sending out info/update.

Much heartened to learn that the Mayor had met with the owners but of course disappointed that it appears they are still intent on demolition.   They like the lot/location.

The demolition permit has not been issued yet and there may be a statement from the Arthur Erickson Conservancy.

This may be the 'compromise'/face-saving but it does not remove the sadness of the neglect and disregard shown to a milestone in Canadian architecture and to the best-known highly regarded living Canadian architect and his legacy.

From what I have heard, Mr Erickson understandably was upset at the news of the possible destruction of his house and of the fact that there had been some alterations.  (Quite apart from some dismantling done illegally in advance of the permit; but reports from four architects say it's definitely restorable.)  Mr Erickson might feel that he'd rather it be demolished than an approximation left.  Demolition demonstrates a lack of sensitivity and respect to this heritage asset, part of Canadian architectural history.  How can the owners not think it worth keeping? (they'll say no so that this goes ahead)  We must try to convince the owners of the value of this treasure.  What about the person willing to put it on Quadra?  As an exaggerated analogy, we revere Roman architecture even if a few columns broken or damaged.

The owners want a larger house.  I argued a loaf and a half is better than none.

One comment received was that it was like going to France, buying a Monet painting in a gilded frame, throwing away the painting to put a print in b/c of liking the frame.

If you have an apple and I have an apple and we exchange these apples then you and I will still each have one apple.  But if you have an idea and I have an idea and we exchange these ideas, then each of us will have two ideas.              -- George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950)

o  James Russell Lowell:  A man's mind is known by the company it keeps.

o  Horace Walpole:  When people will not weed their own minds, they are apt to be overrun with nettles.

o Agnes Repplier:  It is impossible to withhold education from the receptive mind, as it is impossible to force it

        upon the unreasoning.

o Louis L'Amour:  A mind, like a home, is furnished by its owner, so if one's life is cold and bare, he can blame

        none but himself.

o Eric Hoffer:  There are no chaste minds.  Minds copulate wherever they meet.

Truth is not only violated by falsehood; it may be equally outraged by silence.

                -- Henri Frederic Amiel philosopher and writer (1821-1881)

A politician is a man who thinks of the next election; while the statesman thinks of the next generation.

                -- James Freeman Clarke, preacher and author (1810 - 1888)

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        Yours thoughtfully,

                Carolanne Reynolds * Editor, West Van Matters; t 926 8649, f 484 5992; www.westvan.org