WVM2008-04
Ccl NOTES Jan 21
AGENDA Feb 4th
Calendar to 13th
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
BUDGET 2008 -- Feb 4th info and input Feb 11th. See
summary below.
IN THIS ISSUE:
= MAIN ITEMS at ccl mtg Feb 4: Kay Meek Ctr update;
DVP 5340 Seaside (public input); NSACDI workplan, budget ($3267);
Five-Year Operating and Capital Budget 2008-12 (info to be
provided); BYLAWS: traffic/parking and bylaw notice enforcement
(to third reading); (NEW) FINANCE CMTE AND AUDIT CMTE (Terms of
Reference); Proposed WGs for Arts and Cultural Facilities, and
Festivals and Events (does received mean approved???):
Correspondence (Traffic Violations/Collingwood, TransLink funding,
Library Bd minutes, Equitable Police Funding, F&A Cmte, provincial
transit plan, DNV re CSB land in WV, Bellevue & 21st
traffic).
= Vive le Canada; Heritage; UPDATES; BUDGET 2008;
ANIMALWATCH; INFObits; CULTUREWATCH (Music, Theatre, Opera,
Books); CALENDAR to Feb 13th
= Ccl NOTES Jan 14: Strategy for
Dogs; Env'tal Strategy and Awards (and request for
$32K); Horseshoe Bay Fire Hall site; 3785 Excess Rock
Removal; 4012 Marine Rock Removal; Ccl Apptmts; Audit and/or
Finance Cmte? Option one? two? with amendments?; Gleneagles
Grt Hall status; just before and in PQP, WRA, Agenda item notice,
and THE UNPUBLIC CORRESPONDENCE DEBATE -- unacceptable options
discussed AFTER removal not in public beforehand (ideally with citizen
input -- a radical suggestion!). Not the first time a sudden
arbitrary devt with cclrs claiming to be unaware of the new
arrangement; happened a year ago too. Pattern?
= Dieting?; gRUMBLE; Language; Irish Archaeology; Scientific
Approach to Budget?; Quotations
=== Vive le Canada
ELECTIONS: Well, I've never been in favour of fixed
election dates and suffering through now the second year of
campaigning for an election to be held in November. I'm also in
favour of campaign funding reform. Here are the costs for the
US Presidential: 1976, $25M; 1980, $38M; 1984, $53M; 1988, $59M;
1992, $70M; 1996, $83M; 2000, $140M; 2004, $494M; 2008, $1B (and
counting).
+++ H E R I T A G
E ===
>>> HERITAGE AWARDS WILL BE PRESENTED DURING HERITAGE
WEEK Feb 18 to 24.
Event/activity suggestions, pls call 922 4000; also to display
at Heritage Fayre, Sun 24th Park Royal North.
>>> MONARCHY: THE ROYAL FAMILY AT WORK
~ 8pm Sun Feb 3, CBC-TV (120 min):
http://www.cbc.ca/documentaries/monarchy.html
Monarchy: The Royal Family at Work provides unparalleled insight
into the work of The Queen and other members of the Royal Family over
the course of a year. From major State visits and royal tours to
smaller meetings and audiences, the series offers viewers a remarkable
picture of how the Monarchy operates at home and abroad and includes a
photo session with the world-famous American photographer Annie
Leibovitz.
=== UPDATES
===
+ PANEL ON HOUSING held Jan 30
Good news: was videotaped and will appear on the DWV website.
Almost full house at KMC in spite of the foul weather! And there
will be more opportunities for input. Will keep you posted.
The Nbrhd Character and Housing Dialogue WG will be making their
report to Ccl in June or July, announced the Chair.
NB: the name for this WG has been changed (well, shortened)
and appears on the Cmnty Calendar now just as Community Dialogue
WG if you're looking for it. The next mtg is Tues Feb 5th
at the Library at 6:30pm. Pity at the end of the panel they
neither mentioned the next mtg nor let ppl know residents are allowed
to attend WG mtgs (and may even be permitted to speak!).
+ Do check to see if applications to serve on Governance Board
for new Cmnty Ctr has closed. In any case, you're most welcome
to send in an application to volunteer/serve on a Working Group or
Cmte anytime.
* The 2008
Community Grant Application Deadline has been
extended.
Owing to the inclement weather conditions, the deadline has been
extended from Thurs, Jan 31 at 4:30pm to Mon, Feb 4 at
4:30pm.
+ Capilano Suspension Bridge in WV? Deferred: CSB rezoning
(DNV) of land on 'our' side;
=== BUDGET 2008
===
The
Framework
Work on
the 2008
budget began in the summer of 2007. The
approved framework was to preserve existing service levels within a 3%
target tax rate increase. There was also an expectation of
follow-through on sustainability recommendations formulated for
2007/2008.
Meeting the
Targets
The first version
of the draft 2008 budget identified a significant gap from our targets
-- in excess of $1.5 million of net costs. Staff undertook an
exercise "New Directions and Key Strategies" in order to identify
options for dealing with the gap.
Over 100 potential
areas were initially identified for internal efficiencies, service
level adjustments, and new/enhanced revenue opportunities. In
subsequent reviews and evaluations, the list of proposed
adjustments was reduced to approximately 25 items, with
additional items requiring further review for potential implementation
in 2009 and beyond.
The items and
dollar impact identified for 2008 total $972,300, and include the
following:
* 183,000
from new fire alarm permits and false alarm fees
* 220,000
from fire reviews and inspections
* 29,400
from third party recoveries for fire related services (for example,
ICBC)
* 35,000
from bus shelter advertising
* 270,000
from enhanced planning recoveries and building permit
fees
* 65,000
from various other bylaw recoveries
* 83,000
from staff reallocations/recoveries
* 50,000
from Golf and Cemetery administration charges
Outstanding
Challenges
The proposed
budget for 2008, achieving the target tax rate increase of 3%, does
not provide for the following service level issues:
* Police - $ 508,000 - enhancements to existing
service levels, particularly with regard to internal processes and
standards
* Fire - $ 250,000 - to enhance existing
overtime budgets
* Community Centre - $ 250,000 - to cover 1/2 of
first year operating cost anticipated increases
* Recreation fees - $ 200,000 - proposed revenue
rate increase, as part of a phased program to reduce
subsidies
> Download the entire Proposed 2008
Budget
http://www.westvancouver.ca/upload/documents/Budget%202008/proposed_2008_budget_booklet.pdf
Do you have any
comments on the 2008 budget as outlined in the document titled 2008
Proposed Budget - Towards a Sustainable Future?
Visit
the Budget
2008 Community Forum
=== ANIMALWATCH
===
** Force reveals four-legged recruit: Tayside police reveal a
six-week old German Shepherd puppy as their latest weapon in the fight
against crime.
<
http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/uk_news/scotland/tayside_and_central/7206478.stm >
*** Absolutely adorable polar bears:
http://www.cbc.ca/doczone/polarbearfever/video.html
=== INFObits
===
= UNITED NATIONS: The Year of the Potato
= AMPHIBIAN ARK: The Year of the Frog
In 2008, AArk will lead
zoos, botanical gardens, and aquariums in a globally coordinated
public awareness campaign "The Year of the Frog". The main goal of
this campaign is to generate public awareness and understanding of the
amphibian extinction crisis which represents the greatest species
conservation challenge in the history of humanity. The money raised
from this global campaign will help fund initiatives such as training
courses, technical guidance, taxon survival efforts, fostering
partnerships, capacity building, and communication activities. All
these activities will ensure sustainability of the survival assurance
populations of amphibians by creating a cash fund for this
conservation work that will extend for beyond 2008.
=== CULTUREWATCH ==
==
Music, Theatre, Opera, Books
* PIANO: Entranced by the trilling fingers of
pianist Eugene Skovorodnikov at St Francis in the Wood.
* THEATRE: Two ends of the spectrum. A 90-minute
Hamlet at the Beaumont Studios was an interesting adaptation (without
"to be"). If you missed Old Goriot at the Chan Ctr,
you missed a superb production. It was sold out.
Tix to My Name is Rachel Corrie next. It's selling out too.
The Rafah crossing (Gaza) is in the news. Here are some pix:
http://rafah.virtualactivism.net/newsphotos/corriepics/index.htm
* OPERA: The Italian Girl in Algiers -- last
night/performance is Saturday (Feb 2) ...that foxy Italian Girl is in
Algiers, a crash-landed Amelia Earhart. Rossini's opera is a
romp. Just the opera to take a teenager or someone new to opera
to b/c it's so much fun! Silly in fact. Don't read further
if you want to be surprised.
The first scene is brilliant -- the juxtaposition of women meant
to serve and suffer while being indulged and pampered in a spa.
The Bey/Sultan's bath is a hoot (complete with rubber ducky). It
did seem incongruous to have a plane, let alone hear one, in an opera
-- felt anachronistic. Hilarious to see one 'fly' across above
the stage....... The costumes are magnificent -- rich
colours.
Playful. Enjoy it.
* BOOKS (haven't read, but interesting reviews):
- Food --
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/newsnight/2008/01/in_defence_of_food_by_michael_pollan_1.html
- Poetry -- Gulf Music by Robert Pinsky
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/03/books/review/Brouwer-t.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1&8bu&emc=bu
=== CALENDAR to Feb 13th
=== [M Hall unless otherwise noted; confi=
rm
b/c sometimes changes]
***
World Wetlands Day Feb 2nd!
== Tues 5th
~ 4pm ~ Fire & Rescue Services Review WG
~ 6:30 - 8pm ~ Cmnty Dialogue WG at Library (NB:
this is the new short form for Housing WG)
== Wed 6th ~ 6pm ~ Cmnty Heritage Workshop: Writing a
Statement of Significance (SOS) at Srs' Ctr
YOU ARE INVITED: COMMUNITY HERITAGE WORKSHOP ON
WRITING STATEMENTS OF SIGNIFICANCE
DWV is hosting the second in a series of public workshops on the
Community Heritage Register, titled: "Writing Statements of
Significance". It will be held on WEDNESDAY, FEBRUARY 6th
from 6 to 9pm at the WV SENIORS' ACTIVITY CENTRE (Marine Room),
located at 695 21st Street.
The workshop will be led by Meg Stanley and Hal Kalman
(Commonwealth Historic Resource Management Ltd.). Bob
Parliament, of the BC Heritage Branch, will be a guest
facilitator.
WORKSHOP AGENDA
1. Introduction: Overview of the Community
Heritage Register; Call for Public Nominations
2. Presentation:
What is a Statement of Significance (SOS)?
Review of the Key Components of an SOS
Getting Ready to Write an SOS
3. Group Exercise: Drafting an SOS (in point
form); Presentations and Group Discussion
4. Question Period
As space may be limited, we request that you
pre-register
for the event by contacting the Planning Department at 925 7055.
For more information about the Community Heritage Register, please
visit
www.westvancouver.ca/heritage.
This event is a follow-up to our December 8th workshop, where
participants learned about Community Heritage Registers, and how to
articulate the heritage values associated with some sample
resources.
== Thurs 7th ~ 5:30pm ~ Rodgers Crk WG
AND
GUNG HAY FAT CHOY! Chinese New Year: 2008 Feb 7th marks the
beginning of the Year of the Rat.
== Sat 9th ~ 2 - 4pm at the Library: Five Years With Killer Whales in False
Pass
Lance
Barrett-Lennard, a Research Scientist with the Vancouver Aquarium, has
been an active collaborator in ongoing studies of the behavioural and
population biology of killer whales in B.C. and Alaska since 1984. His
studies include baleen whales, dolphins, sea otters and
belugas.
~ Spirit Week
February 9th - 16th ~
Each year, February 9th through 16th is
Spirit of BC Week. This is a week for us to highlight the North
Shore with cultural events and activities that will last much past the
year 2010. Some exciting events taking place in West Vancouver this
year are listed here. Visit www.northshorespiritofbc.ca for more
information.
+ Special Event at the
Museum: Feb 9th from 10am - 3 pm
The Museum presents additional programs to
mark the final day of its "Behind the Wire" exhibition and the
start of Spirit Week.
10 am - Documentary Film Screening of
Forced March to Freedom, Paperny Films, 2001
11:30 am - Peter Stursberg, renowned
writer/broadcaster, shares his wartime experiences as a CBC
correspondent
1:30 pm - Joel Melanson, Logistician from
the Doctors Without Borders, discusses his role as an engineer in
disaster and conflict zones.
Admission is by donation, all proceeds go
to humanitarian aid organizations. For details, call 925 7295 or visit
www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com
+ Spirit of B.C. North Shore Tent on
Cypress Mountain: Sat Feb. 9th and Sun Feb. 10th
Look for the Spirit of B.C . North Shore
tent up on Cypress Mountain at the Canada Post Freestyle Grand Prix.
Come and watch the best athletes in the world compete in the freestyle
mogul runs and aerials. Stop by our tent and learn more about our
community committee and how you can participate.
+ Celebrate Spirit of BC Week at the
Ferry Building Gallery
The Ferry Building Gallery celebrates
Spirit Week with "Communality". This mixed media exhibition
by Gary Morin focuses on the spirit of community and togetherness.
Show runs Feb 8th to Mar 2nd,opening reception Fri, Feb. 8th, 6
- 8 pm, artist in attendance Sat, Feb. 9th, 2 - 3pm.
Admission is free.
== Tues 12th ~ 4pm ~ Fire & Rescue Services Review WG
(in Fire Hall #1 - Training Room)
== Wed 13th ~ 10am ~ Cmnty Engagement Cmte AND LATER
~ 7pm ~ Cmnty Sport WG
+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY
*** DOUBLE VISION -- Digital Media by Jas W. Felter, Jan
22 to Feb 3
*** COMMUNALITY: Mixed Media by Gary Morin --
Spirit of BC Week Exhibition, Feb 8 - Mar 2
OPENING NIGHT ~ 6 - 8pm ~ Feb 8; Artist in Attendance ~ 2 -
3pm ~ Feb 9
+++ WV MUSEUM
+++ BEHIND THE
WIRE -- Nov 7 to Feb 9
THE WARTIME DIARY AND ART OF ROBERT BUCKHAM
[full description earlier]; b/c of inclement weather the
Jan 30 lecture Prosecuting Nazi War
Criminals: Examining the Foundation of Modern War Crimes
Trials, with Guest speaker:
Benjamin Perrin, Assistant Professor, Faculty of Law, UBC
was cancelled and postponed. For
more information, please contact the Museum at 925 7295.
+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY
+++ see www.westvanlib.org
+ Jan 12 to Feb 1 -- Gallery at the Library
Maria De Lourdes Ledesma Velazquez & Emilio
Goicoechea. Bright and exciting paintings that capture the
Mexican culture on canvas from two Mexican artists who have recently
settled in Vancouver.
+ Wed, Jan 30 ~ 7:30pm ~ New World Provence: Book Launch
Meet the cookbook authors, Provence restaurant owner and chefs,
Alessandra and Jean-Francois Quaglia.
+ Tues, Feb 5th -- The Irish Theatre: J M Synge
Discussion series open to all, 10:30 to 12:30pm; for further info
call the Ref Dept at 925 7405
+ Thurs, Feb 7th -- MOVIES AT THE LIBRARY -- 6 - 9pm
Seen a Good Book Lately? A film series
based on the books. The Da Vinci Code based on the novel by Dan Brown.
See the film and participate in a discussion of the movie, the book or
both.
+++ WinterSong Festival
+++ www.wintersong.ca -- Feb 8th to 17th
West Vancouver's
Third Annual WinterSong Festival is just a few weeks away. Visit the
website for details on all the Festival's concerts and activities,
call 913 3634 for tix, and look out for the Festival Program Guide
in the February 3rd issue of the North Shore News.
The WinterSong Festival is a ten-day
festival held every February. Its purpose is to celebrate the
joy of song and the human voice with a broad range of exciting and
dynamic performances in venues around West Vancouver, showcasing
professional and aspiring talent as well as providing singing
opportunities for all abilities and ages, and highlighting songs from
a broad range of musical styles.
WinterSong is
thrilled to partner with the Vancouver 2010 Cultural Olympiad to
present the Cypress Mountain Concert Series presented by Bell and
following the Freestyle Ski World Cup competition on February 9 and
10.
+++ Don't forget to check out www.silkpurse.ca
and www.kaymeekcentre.com for their events
=== COUNCIL MTG NOTES Jan
21st ===
CALL TO ORDER
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA: Long
list of changes: including 3 Mayor's remarks at Ch of Commerce
breakfast and Item 7 to beginning for awards; add (new) F&A Cmte;
add 12.1, 12.1, and Gleneagles Grt Hall
2. ADOPTION OF
MINUTES: January 7, 2008 Regular
Council Meeting.
3. PRESENTATION: Mayor's
Annual Report on the State of the District
Presentation to be provided by Mayor
Goldsmith-Jones.
Full text (but she did add some comments)
is in the minutes and on the District's website at:
http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=5539&c=694
Mayor: usually only at Ch of Commerce but fitting [for more to
hear]
Mayor
Goldsmith-Jones's breakfast meeting address to the WV Chamber of
Commerce. January 16th, Hollyburn Country Club ~...
What is clear is
that none of this can be left up to local government alone. It is our
responsibility to bring together the right partners and to open up our
processes so that everyone is part of the solution....
During the last
election, all members of Council supported secondary suites, so I hope
we will see that take effect this year....
Here's what
Global News had to say about Rodgers Creek in December=8A > News
Clip...
The challenge
Council faces is that to maintain current services, we would need a 3%
increase in property taxation. Staff has identified about $900K in new
revenue sources, but there is still $1.5 million of unfunded services,
which is roughly a $500K increase to the police budget, $500K increase
to the fire department budget and $500K operating budget for the new
community centre and so as not to further increase fees. If we wish to
fund these services, the tax increase will be 4.5%. Many will debate
these figures, but this is the framework for the upcoming budget
discussions.
We also asked what
new revenue sources people would accept, which may be good indicators
for longer term planning for service delivery, but which we should
start thinking about now....
From my point of
view, as Ambleside succeeds, so do the arts, as the World Cup
succeeds, so do local restaurants, as Rodgers Creek succeeds, so does
the natural environment. We are integrating our thinking, and taking
the time to make sure we've got all the right players together. It
is time consuming, and it is a more complex approach. We are finding,
however, that when we work with our natural partners, we are making
better public policy.
4. DELEGATION:
R. Black regarding Strategy for Dogs
in West Vancouver Parks
Rebecca Black: WV resident, my husband and I own two dogs and
enjoy walking them in WV
we've come up with a strategy; here b/c of strict bylaws enforced
last spring and summer; quite surprised at harsh fines; perhaps
misinformed but thought our right to walk dogs in WV.
We were wrong; quite upset; understand dog bylaws under
review
outline; emotional issue, pets like family mbrs; want a happy
park experience for all
two camps: off leash and on leash
wonderful turnout tonight, ppl want WV to be a dog-friendly
place
[here are the slides, put up and commented on]
A Strategy for Dogs in WV Parks: Suggested changes to
current bylaws pertaining to dogs
Goals
A happy park experience for all
A balanced compromise between restraint and freedom for
dogs
Develop a sense of community among dog owners with the shared
goal of responsibility and good stewardship of our parks
Recommendations
Shared Parks Public Spaces -- Parks and Sea Wall
Off-leash areas: expand and enhance; engage dog community as
stewards
Enforcement: no designated dog bylaw officer Encourage
self-policing within dog community
Licensing: encourage owners to license by creating value and help
owners to understand benefits
Education: use money from licensing to fund responsible dog
ownership programs in the community
Shared Spaces
All parks and Sea Wall to be made accessible to dogs on leash and
under control, as they are in all other public outdoor spaces.
Recognize some restrictions: artificial turf fields, children's
play areas, beaches in summer
Sea Wall an important dog walk area. One of few areas that is
safe and well lit at night. Dog path on other side of chain link fence
is unsafe for many dogs and does not facilitate cleanup by owner
Families want to enjoy parks with dogs -- include watching games
at side of playfield
Off-Leash Areas
Clearly name and designate off-lead areas to distinguish them
from rest of park and assign specific responsibilities to users
Explore new off-lead opportunities -- beaches in winter
months
Plan for new suitable off-lead areas as present "dog park" is
leased from Squamish Nation
Establish area for small dogs only
Engage the dog-owning community to act as stewards of off-leash
areas
Enforcement
Education-based enforcement: foster partnerships with the
dog-owning community to assist with education, self policing,
stewardship, events and training
No specific designated dog bylaw officer but bad behavior will
result in serious fines by bylaw dept.
Phone line to bylaw dept made available for complaints and
serious problems
Help identify problem dogs to keep both people and our pets safe
ie aggressive, dangerous dogs
Make signage more user friendly
Licensing
Encourage licensing of dogs by creating value to the [licence]
and sending friendly reminders annually
Show where money goes and direct it towards dog education,
environmental waste strategy, animal welfare, improving and
maintaining off lead areas
Give incentives to license by pro-rating annual fees and waiving
fines if found unlicensed
Important tool to establish true numbers of dogs in community so
needs can be properly addressed
Education
Money from licensing be used to fund programs to encourage
community involvement in policing
Implement education programs - dog safety programs for elementary
school children, responsible dog ownership, bylaw compliance,
etc.
Provide covered bulletin boards at off- lead dog areas for
purpose of educating and connecting dog community and public with
regards to rules and events
SPCA ideally located to become education centre for dog
community
SUMMARY
Make West Vancouver more dog-friendly and help dog owners become
more responsible owners without using heavy fines and strict bylaw
enforcement except where warranted
Plan for the future, recognizing the growing demographic of dog
households and their needs for recreating with their dogs. Create new
off lead areas
Work with the dog-owning community to plan strategies for sharing
the parks and public spaces
Provide safe places for dog owners to walk their dogs
Did you know=8A=8A.
In the City of Vancouver it is estimated that only about
30% of dogs are licensed
In WV we have ~2500 licensed dogs. It is likely the number
of dogs is much higher -- 10,000??
There are 20+ dog related businesses in West
Vancouver
Most dog owners consider their dog a member of their
family
Dog-walking has been found have a positive effect in
deterring crime in park areas.
Pls take into consideration when you're amending the bylaw
Mayor: had mtgs, good database; hope when report ready for Ccl
everyone will be informed; refer this to staff for consideration ...
balance
{over three quarters of gallery emptied!}
now to no 7 [7:52]
7. Environmental Strategy Implementation Working
Group - 2007 Progress Report
Paul Tutsch wil be doing this: wd have been
here earlier but all these dog ppl!
This evening here as spokesman --
prefer to be called EESWIG
POWERPOINT
Who are we? cooperate with staff and Ccl
rep; specific projects
introduce group: Freda Pagani, Hugh
Hamilton, Nora Gambioli, Trish Panz, Kurt Peiffer, Ray Richards, Thanh
Nguyen; Staff: Stephen Jenkins, Roberta Seabrook who keeps Stephen in
line
Report on what we have been doing and a
series of recommendations
Strategy adopted in May 2005
Strategy Objectives (11 on
slide)
Lead by example; land stewardship, creeks,
water use, forest management, foreshore, energy use, Transportation,
Green House Gas Emissions, Pesticides, Recycling
Ontario has joined Quebec banning cosmetic
pesticides province-wide, so lean on Victoria!
Priorities for Action
FOUR: focus for 2007 -- Awards for 2007
Sop: one school, one resident, two staff --
Eagle Harbour School,
Mayor: 15 chn, darling all and parents
wanted to be involved; systems approach
Sop: recipients will receive copy of
Elspeth Bradbury's A View Through the Trees
Ray Richards come up.
RR: large proportion of WV highly
skilled
Adrian Rowland is one of these, unique
skills, international, considerable amt of time to improve a part of
our cmnty overlooked for many years
WV calls itself a waterfront cmnty; healthy
foreshore vital; see it's receding
knowledge of coastal engg; Congratulations,
Adrian
{APPLAUSE; given map of WV}
Adrian: surprise and an
honour; this is why ppl
volunteer
Ray taking a small team, WF Shoreline
Preservation Society
Leading by Example -- gratifying to see
this draft; things moving
along
{APPLAUSE}
Sop: do we have the other books? may I have
the WG up here
mbr of Library staff, [brought] envtal
measures to Library: Chad
Arsenault
CA: I'm just changing attitudes, energy,
ways things done in past
Paul Tutsch: I sit on the board, he's
modest, and one thing is the electricity bill is down 30% that's
huge
Sop: [Parks staff mbr] Kent Ryberg....
truck operator; recycling; collecting
bottles and cans; contributes funds to group, to shelter
{APPLAUSE}
KR: fairly simple, just pick up a few
things; through sister, got mother, and
got me into this
I'll take any can I can get my hands
on
Sop: illustrious fun-loving
ppl; worked hard
one note to Mr Rowlands; if you think of a man given, in relation to his own
profession, sat on Envmt Cmte years ago
now with Ray Richards, a
Society
see transformation down by Navvy Jack
house; recommendations from Shoreline; going to see a lot of good
things
Paul Tutsch: here we are talking about the
Foreshore
survey completed, eight intertidal and
subtidal pilot projects; draft plan;
action plan 2008 - 2010
many private work [projects] going along
with public
picture shows mouth of Lawson Creek -- from
zero two years ago to 50 in 2007
{before and after
photos}
Map showing forested lands -- promote tree
and forest stewardship
forests are sponges and filters for the
creek systems for devt below
trees and parks links to
foreshore; aesthetics; vertical links, horizontal band; stability, wildlife habitat
critical carbon sink for Grtr Vanc area,
buffer; this is our natural capital
Overlay identifies District-owned in green
and private-owned in orange
three items: formal action to conserve the
Upper M Lands; commission a new Parks and
Open Spaces Plan to replace 1977 version;
formal action to include Ballantree Park (not included under Park
bylaw at the moment)
PESTICIDES
educate lawn care companies; educate men
with lawns; educate residents; initiate bylaw
enforcement
we didn't make this up
btw
education alone doesn't work,
enforcement alone doesn't work, but the two together
do
Ambleside wetland the latest project --
$2M in private funds -- before and after photos
Funding Requests for 2008: Envmt Awards
$100; $20K; $12.5K
RD: you said existing budget -- what's [for
foreshore?]
PT: in proposed budget for 2008,
$100K
Steve Jenkins, Envtal Coordinator looking
really snazzy in a suit: $75K last year and it was the first year,
this year $100K
RD: said $500K
SJ: but for other projects, not
just
RD: got a lot of value for $175K so
far
PT: absolutely; $500K on part of M and $2M
private; shows you how private donors are
valuing the envmt
Sop: work done to date and raised money on
their own
PT: you're referring to the
foreshore
Sop: correct; wdn't have got that
far; citizens who care
the amt of money we're asking, Mr
Jenkins
not going to move v far in Pesticide field
unless we educate; of the $12.5K how much for ad?
SJ: partnered with others; donated $6K and
got $30K but the other Ms don't have a bylaw
planning about spending $2500 directly on
ads, rest on workshops/education -- lawncare companies rather than
looking at every resident
JF: impressive report; work absolutely
fabulous; intrigued with all the money
raised for strategy; coming from priv
individs or companies as well
PT: foreshore or all of it?
SJ: private individuals, no
corporations
able to identify next to ppl's houses,
willing, biggest question is will there be salmon there, and if yes,
willing to spend money
Stearman Beach, cost just under
$400K
JF: seems to be a cmnty passionate about
many things, not just dogs
{LAUGHTER}
put together a list; advertise
easy WinterSong or Harmony Arts need but
many not aware envtal projects
Mayor: comment with mtg with Ministry on
Friday
SJ: met with Ministry of Cmnty Services,
amazing seem to be the ppl with all the money
good to walk along and show them what we're
doing from tidal to bigger projects
raingarden work; at ev turn something we're
doing
after half an hour, been busy and after
three hours, you ppl are out of control
reputation can't be on what you say, but
what you do
showed them Rodgers Crk plan, he began to
want to help us find funds
most fascinated about how we're taking an
integrated approach
how forest mgmt, so important as to what's
happening down on the beach;
integral
so easy to see/fund
so many projects we can begin to show
them
map -- see projects we've done along
foreshore, here in Upper Lands
go see; all within walking
distance
VV: with the FSTF report and it applies
here
big list of staff time, but no cost; that
limits our ability; [get staff costs]
what I'm going to do
[DWV Budget] 80% to staff and
20%
I'll take this cost, so take this and
multiply four, I get $
$163,500 and then add -- so not much change
out of $200K to do this
any reason staff time wd be
less?
what I wd really like, new
standard
whenever they write staff time, know what
that cost is; normal practice you look at the full cost, not without
staff time
how long to tell us?
SJ: wd take some staff time
{LAUGHTER}
RD: the work that has been done on
foreshore back to 2004
studies but no money so foreshore
degraded
finally with Adrian Rowland coming to
the EAC wch I sat on at the time
ev dollar spent on the foreshore has
been well spent
by building around sea wall, has
protected sea wall and saved lots of money in repairs
underwater breakwater built from rocks
from highway
difficult to measure in terms of
value
general interest in foreshore,
increasing with public interest, led to donations, hard to
estimate
Mr Jenkins had done a superb job, EAC,
WG, Foreshore
Leadership, hard to measure -- so
wonderfully successful
my 16 years on Ccl prior to 2004; thank
you for all you've done
Ray Richards: wrt finances, what we
did
asked if we cd see details of the work
order and it does show truck time, etc to get to those amts -- those
are in there; we want to get our money used properly
KP: when we present these reports, a
calculation of the volunteer time
to show you the complete value
{APPLAUSE}
Mayor: WG to pioneer a triple bottom
line
not just financial, envtal and reason for
this partnership approach
RD: didn't recognize Steve Jenkins
tonight
{LAUGHTER}
Sop moved:
1. The progress update
from the Environmental Strategy Implementation Working Group including
Appendices A, B, and C to the report, completed by the Working Group
and Foreshore Technologies, be posted on the West Vancouver website
for public review.
2. The recipients
of the inaugural Environmental Awards as outlined in Appendix D be
congratulated.
3. The funding
requests as detailed in the "Financial Implications" section, in
the amount of $32,700 be considered as part of the 2008 budget
process.
JC: seconded
VV: interested in volunteer hours; if you cd recognize volunteer
hours
you shd get a document so use at tax time as a charitable
donation; can get some taxes back
Mayor: er, um, ah. One way of measuring
PASSED
REPORTS [8:37]
5. Government Finance Officers Association -
Canadian Award for Financial Reporting Achievement -- presentation by R. Laing,
Director of Finance -- DEFERRED
6. Metro Vancouver Growth
Management Strategy - Choosing a Sustainable Future for Metro
Vancouver
Sorry, didn't catch name of presenter -- H Kellas?; had
slides:
REGIONAL GROWTH STRATEGY & OTHER PLANS
speaks about what's best
growth challenge; throughout whole region; larger popn but larger
older popn; diff in way popn uses facilities
Improving housing diversity and affordability; all forecasters,
strong upward pressure on housing prices
a competitive economy
living in nature -- protecting the region's natural assets; make
two work together
also talking to public about reducing energy use and adapting to
climate change
most greenhouse gases come from vehicles and bldgs (not
industrial)
6th issue: sustainable transportation; big picture; finance,
governance
what we ask in these consultation mtgs -- have we identified
the right issues, wd you identify others, what role shd the region
play
strategies, not etched in stone; booklet we've been using
five: A general goals, B goals and guidelines, C goals guidelines
and regulations
how big shd metropolitan footprint be
greenfields; capacity for new growth -- new, rather than
redevt
we've done redevt quite well; will have to do entirely, might be
room for 200K more ppl
restrained? urban containment? or
diverse and affordable housing choices
what's the role of regional govt? setting targets; other than
encouraging density
Commercial and industrial space to support a prosperous
economy
used to have industrial land, designated, but dropped from metro
plans in 1980s
maintain an adequate supply
commercial devt around commercial ctrs; green zones; sustainable
regional transportation system
preferred option? missed any?
regional context statements to make sure partnerships work well;
keep strategy current
Regional Growth Strategy Review Timeline; adoption in
spring?
JC: in all of these discussion for all the years I've been paying
attention, never hear any... expansion and growth of Sea to Sky
corridor, Sq, Pemberton, expansion of BC Ferries, 3M vehicles a year
going through; when are we going to address the volumes of traffic
moving through WV?
Ans: Sq-Lillooet, concerned about growth; transportation
infrastructure, these are provincial highways and they'll proceed as
they do
{snickers heard}
JC: $800K spent [LGB study?] -- 60% don't want to be there
at all -- and 100%, everyone, goes through downtown core -- problem
right at our doorstep and we don't address, and I don't understand
why
Sop: intrigued me and heard it so often, heard over 12 years,
affordability, we're seeing a v difficult situation; responsibilities
shifted all over the place
how address?
a benevolent devpr? a smaller suite can be $600K when built
out
it's only been statements about affordable housing, no plan by
the federal or prov govt
Ans: board lobbying fed govt for affordable housing; make that
case on behalf of the region as a whole
other ventures that might be taken -- inclusionary zoning
(Vancouver now, Rmd picking up); requiring some to be more
affordable
opp for secondary suites, protection of rental housing; a
number of things can be done
Mayor: anything else, Cclr Sop?
Sop: have a lot but will stop there
JF: all goals, sections, complicated, interrelated
public come, asking them to choose; able in these workshops to
give them a clear understanding of the benefits and impacts?
Ans: public mtgs are structured as little workshops around the
issues so those interested go to those and they're often quite
knowledgeable about
tend to get more a value stmt, rather than a policy; another opp
and many of same ppl will come
JF: wish you good luck
RD: congratulate you on the plan to plan
just back from California and be careful you don't end up like
that; congratulations
however in reading this report, come to a politically
incorrect
million of ppl coming,..... most of the growth comes from
immigration 35K, from fed, beyond our control
perhaps discussing levels of immigration, absorbing so without
envtal degradation
cd be something we cd discuss? bet you don't answer that
Ans: in some of the discussions we've been having
Livable Regional Strategy from 70s, discussed there
we'll feed that back to board and if they wish to pursue that
with fed govt, I'll push that alone
haven't heard that growth isn't a good thing, hear it as
enriching the cmnty
RD: it's a question of the amt of growth; too much, too rapid,
plan for some but not all
even if planned in southern California, growth is too rapid,
you're going to have a degeneration of the lifestyle
not saying no immigration, say we shd discuss and we never
do
as long as we use automobiles, ..., how are you going to
reduce greenhouse gases?
in Southern Calif, reducing but so many coming in, with
growth, greenhouse gases growing
Mayor: many discussing; we're an anomaly, reassuring it has WV as
green
for us, it points us in the direction of the Sea-to-Sky corridor;
maybe we'll take a diff approach
Staff -- if we cd have a report back from the StoS Forum -- good
for discussion
and think we shd put in a submission our answers to those
questions
Public: is there an opp?
Mayor: I see Ms Steig has her name down. [Public not
allowed to speak] once Ccl discussion has started; will come
back
9:08 {KSteig leaves}
8. Community Dialogue
on Neighbourhood Character & Housing Working Group - Horseshoe
Bay Fire Hall Site
VV: spotzoning; clearly contrary to OCP; unfair to ppl who
live there
as we've just heard, other areas eager to have growth; I
simply oppose this
Sop: did we have a presentation by the Planning Dept wrt the said
property as to what cd go on there?
SJN: old Fire Hall site; intended to be sold to pay for new
fire hall
number of alternatives, recommended existing three lots be sgl
fam and put on market
wd require nbrhd mtgs and public hearing for
rezoning
come back after mtgs; believe WG wants more
wd take the form of a charrette but wdn't want to call it a
charrette b/c that's a whole area and this is sgl-fam
what Ccl wants
Sop: is Planning Dept going to have public mtgs or this
group?
SJN: Ccl has authorized Planning Dept to hold mtgs and report
back; WG wd be invited to participate
JC: see it as a terrific learning experience; bringing back
the cmnty's feelings about their nbrhds
part of a process, we'll wind up in this room in a Public Hearing
regardless
get feeling of staff, residents, WG -- more to go on, positive
all down the line
MS: appreciate consultation and looking at this site
IMO shd hv bn dealt with two years ago; relocate and have a
plan for the site
concerns me that 2007 financial plan asked to raise funds
through sale of surplus lands, and through survey see public strongly
supports purchase of Argyle by selling surplus lands
if a lengthy and engaged process with ev bit we're going to
sell, long
yes, shd hv a process but we're going to have to fastrack
something to pay bills as they come due, new Cmnty Ctr; support this,
gotta get moving on this
JF: Cd Mr Nicholls give us some idea of what this entails?
SJN: have to prepare, call, notice, end of Feb probably, report
March, cost $5K, small part of value of site; cost of sale
JF: seems to me an excellent opp; give WG and cmnty opp to look
at character within a nbrhd
when considering sale of an unnecessary, surplus property -- want
most you can get
since Ccl has ability to rezone; clear mtg with nbrs and get
clear indication about subdividing and developing
SJN: I was assuming; we wd involve somebody who knows the real
estate market in that area and will be reporting back to Ccl on
that.
[MOTION MADE]
THAT the memorandum dated January 10, 2008
from C. Banham, Chair of the Working Group be received for information
and that Staff be directed to hold a [neighbourhood] meeting to
consider various options for the property and to include the Working
Group in such consultations.
Mayor: it's 3 to 3 -- so I'll support this, WRA; expect
an expedited process
have to go through anyway
9:18
9. 3785 Bayridge Avenue - Excess Rock
Removal/Replacement
RECOMMENDED: THAT the enforcement
measures in regards to remediation and penalties described in the
January 11, 2008 report for 3785 Bayridge Avenue be received for
information.
Mayor: you're asking us to receive a report that contains a
recommendation
SJN: the survey was done incorrectly; exceeded by a signif amt,
don't believe intentional; when discovered owner stopped
cost $60K
believe rock removal, important piece of information; no
financial gain, penalty; so public info
Mayor: so received, does that mean approved?
SJN: no; for information; staff have already acted
Sop: if an error, who wd hv given the approval for blasting of
800 cu m or more, knowing only four
blasting company removing, think mistake was in survey; went back
to resurvey
we have established a procedure now that a second survey donate
after, so see if error
it's our intent that you don't have any gain from making a
mistake of this nature, you have to pay the cost of remediation
not bringing back, ....
Sop: why does homeowner get stuck with this? surveyor shd
be brought up on the carpet
SJN: believe was surveying the wrong area
owner, blasting ...
not something staff wd bring up b/c there may be further
discussions
JF: in my tenure on Ccl haven't seen mistakes of this
nature
something we can do so not happen again?
SJN: this is a new procedure M using; must do survey pre-blast
and post-blast
doesn't stop a new surveyor making a mistake
the staff try to pick these things up; you're given the survey,
calculation, and outline of area
educational process; we are succeeding
another item on the agenda, we've negotiated ...
Mayor: something like the tree-cutting, they leave a bond for
us?
SJN: no bond for removing more
we are rewriting the soil removal and deposit bylaw; have
increased the penalties; we may fine
10. 4012 Marine Drive - Rock Removal for Swimming
Pool
RECOMMENDED: THAT Staff be authorized
to issue a Blasting Permit to remove approximately 3.0 cubic meters of
rock for the purpose of installing an inground swimming
pool.
Sop: says p 73 "no blasting will be carried out"
SJN: owner here?
Mayor: to be broken -- distinction as rock-breaking
SJN: Design Review says 3.0
VV: may be use of standard letters diff amts and diff days
suspicion didn't read specific reading, told just to sign it;
suspect inadvertent, stuck with documents don't work
SJN: might want to put in, not exceeding
Sop: ppl signed a document saying wanting no blasting and now
we're going to blast, is that how it works?
{snickers in gallery}
MS: clear; doesn't need to come to Ccl; only be/c some
lackey if pool
I don't really care if they blast or break, let's just get
on
Mayor: item 11
MS: are we dealing with No 5?
Mayor: later... [9:29]
11.
Appointments of Council Liaisons for 2008
=B7 West
Vancouver Memorial Library Board = Council Liaison: Councillor
Day
=B7 North Shore
Advisory Committee on Disability Issues = Council Liaison: Councillor
Ferguson
=B7 North Shore
Family Court and Youth Justice Committee = Council Liaison: Councillor
Day
=B7 North Shore
Spirit of BC (2010) Committee = Council Liaison: Mayor
Goldsmith-Jones
=B7 North Shore
Substance Abuse Task Force = Council Liaison: Mayor
Goldsmith-Jones
=B7 Joint School
Traffic Safety Committee = Council Liaison: Councillor
Clark
=B7 West
Vancouver Chamber of Commerce = Council Liaison: Councillor
Vaughan
=B7 [Seniors']
Centre Board = Council Liaison: Councillor Smith.
RD: okay as far as my apptmt but they meet on Feb 6th, Thursday
and that's when Rodgers Crk meets
Mayor: probably Rodgers Crk is wrapping up.
12. Re-appointment to the North Shore Advisory
Committee on Disability Issues (ACDI)
RECOMMENDED: Ms. Judith Power
for the term January 1, 2008 to December 31, 2009.
12.1 [More Appointments]
Also appointed -- Design Review: Egon Andre and Alexandra
Bennett; Bd of Variance: Jim [didn't catch name], whose term just
expired
ITEM 12.2 has been added: Report from F&A
Cmte
MS: term for F&A has expired; discussions as to how to go fwd
with Mayor and Mr Laing
in this mess of papers
Ccl shd decide how this cmte shd go forward
my observation of the first year, some successes but didn't
accomplish as many things as we hoped; more in 2008 if change nature
of cmte
think former was called Financial Services Cmte, only things
referred by Ccl so a bit slow getting out of the gate on this
cmte
{not quite: it was the Finance Adv Cmte; but true, that's how
they controlled the cmte and what information or advice got to
Ccl}
take the audit part away: two schools of thought; Audit Cmte
comprised only of mbrs of Ccl
hope Audit cmte mtgs v short, only mtgs with auditor for mtgs
of concern to auditors
{JC temporarily in chair}
MS: public mtg on Feb 11, not much opp for input for 2008; opp
has passed
take a look at Task Force recommendations, of wch
many
provide some recommendations, how they can be implemented by
the District
add at least two, possibly as many as four, look at the FSTF
recommendations; priority basis
Amended Option one:
Sop: and it is?
MS: take audit function away; function of Ccl; really two
options there
Sop: at the last mtg we were at, distinct impression we shd
retain the cmte as is and expand it
proper sort of direction -- take away responsibility of audit,
not allowing mbrs from FSTF, not be part of that
{RD left temporarily}
for what purpose; with expansion, opp to include mbrs of public,
even more with Option One
don't know why the audit considerations
then who's left?
ppl with FSTF, why take [away] ppl with proven ability? desire of
staff
MS: two aspects of an audit cmte; don't disagree with his
remarks
can make a case on cmte or Financial Officers' recommendation;
don't want this to break down
cmte needs to get on so that those Task Force recommendations are
implemented by District
mtg with auditors is an hour and a half year, if listening in,
not a big deal
just not that relevant to question at hand
Sop: but says wd participate in all .... and you say not... how
got turned around?
JC: agree with Cclr Smith; some information; wd go in camera,
excluding the public and the mbrs of the cmte
came up with some wonderful ...; stay focused and move
forward
JF: I believe Cclr Smith is recommending Option No. Two,
separating
MS: yes, and adding citizen mbrs
JF and MS: amendment to Option
Sop: is there or has there been no value to the cmte? have
there been flaws?
what's different that we're suddenly going to alter?
why change in midstream when haven't even given it a year to
work?
public, with councillors, why change it now?
Mayor: respond?
MS: we're not continuing
??? cmte continuing to fill that role
most important issue; recommendations of Task Force, Cclr Clark,
Sop, and myself and Director Laing
how make sure handled effectively
getting bogged down about a 45-min with auditors
{rather confusing not seeing the options; one point made was
that no sense having two cmtes, no point a separate one called Audit
Cmte b/c the mtg with the auditors is about 45 minutes in the whole
year so little point}
Mayor: at the last mtg, Cclr Sop expressed ...
consensus, that the amt of work is shared more broadly; work
that can be done in subgroups, just don't have bodies
need to have a higher profile, want to improve that
need for more leadership from chair, help him with
that...
need to be transparent
we're saying this is a rejuvenated cmte; come forward with a
workplan for the year
an enormous amt of effort on part of staff, for that much effort
we haven't come up with as many recommendations as we'd like to
steward....
this is an opp to bolster the cmte
trying to change the dynamic from a WG that feels they're the
auditors; rather than that they're the auditors
roll up their sleeves
Motion is separate Audit Cmt, mbrs of Ccl; add two citizen
mbrs to Finance Cmte
MS: ask staff bring forward Terms of Reference for new
cmte
Mayor: with your support
is Ccl clear? we're adding two mbrs?
Sop: so it's option one?
Mayor: no, it's option two with the addition of adding two
citizen mbrs
and I'd like to say, to impart the confidence, not only did we
win for North America last year, won for Canada this year
MOTION CARRIES 9:48
CONSENT AGENDA ITEM
13. Consent
Agenda Item - Reports
REPORT FOR CONSENT AGENDA
14. Development Variance Permit Application No. 07-048
(5340 Seaside Place)
RECOMMENDED: the report dated January 11 be
received for consideration on Monday, February 4,
2008. {DONE}
{NOW THE CONTROVERSIAL DISAPPEARANCE OF THE
CORRESPONDENCE}
OTHER ITEMS
15. Non-Agenda Correspondence Requested
for Comment by Council: Items as may be requested by
Council.
Sop: may we ask why Correspondence no longer part of public
agenda and reason behind it
Mayor: ccl procedure bylaw
RB, perhaps the architect of this new plan: covers, and as
part of review process; staff were looking at more effective ways of
bringing in efficiencies
three ccl mtgs per month; and other was non-agenda
correspondence
not pertaining to any item
Ccl opp to ask, to be placed on Ccl agenda
Ccl had agreed experiment with this new process for a couple
of months and see
{so was this 'agreed' at a closed mtg? certainly not
discussed in public at a ccl mtg!}
so we're only discussing pieces of correspondence
Sop: where is the Ccl recommendation?
{Good question, Sop!}
Mayor: in Procedure Bylaw
SSch: mid fall
{will do some research into this; how did everyone miss the
significance of removal of the Correspondence? why done 'in
secret' ? why not explained to public? consult with public? at least
notify public in advance? More sinister: same removal done
in Nov 2006 and several of us had to lobby to get most of the
correspondence back. An initial excuse was 'privacy'. I
pointed out that letters from prov and fed govts, mbrs, and agencies
cd hardly be considered subject to privacy legislation. Instead
of being upset at their letters/information being made public, they'd
be disgruntled instead not public!}
Sop: consideration that Correspondence wd go onto website and
sever names and addresses and that was it at that point in time
we have not had any discussion in public, to
eliminate
go to webpage, bring back to agenda if agenda item
material or items from gvt agencies, public has right to see and
wd no longer have right to see that
matters staff deal with and that's okay
if it's in the view of money-saving and paper-saving
losing the democratic right; no longer come to this public
domain; to a website that the public won't be able to read
saving money I support but public have a right to see
these!
have to pick them up and you'd have to make sure on the
agenda
must make sure
JC: move mtg extended to end of biz
[PASSED AGAIN!]
9:54: Mike now joins Sop in 'protesting' change, concerned
about loss of seeing letters; then VV joins later]
MS: ppl shd hv the right to see what public have right to
see
if going to post electronically
never did buy into blot out everything, leave Jane Doe, leave
out address and ph no
allow ppl to go on line and read letters to M&Ccl; and if any
mbr of ccl wants to bring it up can; wd be a sensible compromise
if we're going to try to attract ppl to run this fall, they'll
probably want to go on line and see what ppl writing about; shd be
able to go on line
Mayor: as far as posting the correspondence for viewing, we
can do that
severing, about a year ago, more than one complaint, their letter
reached a public agenda
seeking legal and FOI branch wd have to change that
sought two legal opinions; not in any libellous
position
can explore
{yes, do pls explore; Clerk's already has the right to pull
any letter that contains libel}
if severed an action already taken
MS: anybody whose IQ is in double digits, knows if they
want a letter to be private, marks it Private &
Confidential
most ppl want letters to be in public domain, ppl can see
it and agree and disagree, that the purpose of letter
wd respect someone who marks letter private and
confidential and wdn't post it
Mayor: that's ideal in an ideal world
wrt Privacy; identity theft
expectations changed; barriers changed; public information
regardless, we've had that opinion; we may not do it that
way
someone has to say, yes, I give you permission to publish what
I say
to staff's credit, they've continued
when Ccl works contrary to those two opinions
may be worth doing
if online, still have to
privacy; identity theft through the roof
we've had it happen to us
for all of us, support staff
and when we ask for efficiencies
{not seriously choosing efficiency over public information,
are you???
not just that but also no one's been sued that I know of
for over 20 years!!!
manufacturing a problem? embarrassment of letters
critical of Ccl or staff? this smacks of making mountains out of
molehills.....
In any case, it really makes staff and 'things' efficient
to reduce ccl mtgs from four to two, wch is what they've done.
There may also be a workshop or Public Hearing, so three sessions a
month instead of four. With a reduction of at least 25% in
mtg preparation, will there be a 25% reduction in staff
involved???}
Public Correspondence provides a valuable tool;
wonderful tool
privacy concern is a real one
VV: I still believe [shd be public]
just need a standard format; a document entitled Public
Correspondence; so no confusion
in signing, giving permission; writer submits rather than us;
preformatted sheets; av in Library, Gleneagles; write on a sheet;
public place, downloadable; tells them; form, so no telephoning
don't know exact wording; certainly govts have plenty of examples
of that
already presets the legal situation
cd be little box to tick, only name -- sometimes someone might
want "Jack in Ambleside" so tells where comes from
cd all be in little boxes; nobody in M Hall wd have to follow
up; I think it can be done; why not investigate something?
Mayor: I'm almost speechless
communication with email, etc
the volume I get at least 100 a day
need to advertise; reserve space on agenda, reserve for
don't want to go two steps backward
{but removing the Correspondence is a leap
backward!!!}
go to online correspondence
if norm, that's great
Cclr Smith's version online, severed as part of public
agenda
reserve this space
if reams there, that's what the public wants
perhaps asking staff to put Correspondence online with severed
-- compromise for now?
Sop: I'll accept that for now; procedure for cclrs to pull off
letters, submit to M Clerk
Mayor: staff will look after agenda items; and items public want
to see
if you want to see something brought forward, press send; ask Ms
Scholes
Sop: timeline?
SSch: we review on a daily basis; we do often have them on
table
Mayor: let's see if public av themselves online
have a responsibility to get to e-services
demo; have to push this a little bit
aware of transparency; and public
[wrt letters/correspondence] funnily nothing this week
{*** DEAR READER:
REMEMBER:
NOV 2006 CORRESPONDENCE REMOVED (even
from govt and agencies), REINSTATED A FEW MONTHS LATER BUT MINUS
ATTRIBUTION for residents; ONE LEGAL OPINION, SOME CCLRS SAID NO
STREET ADDRESS BUT NAME; SECOND LEGAL OPINION, still blanked out;
JANUARY 2008, NOT EVEN A LIST OF THE CORRESPONDENCE SO WE HAVE NO
IDEA WHO WROTE OR ABOUT WHAT!!!
THIS IS OPENNESS WE VOTED FOR?
TRANSPARENCY? INFORMATION FOR CMNTY ENGAGEMENT?
COLOUR ME DARK DISILLUSION........
hoping it's a passing cloud and
changed/improved...
*** UPDATE Feb 1st: After many
conversations, email queries, etc, happy to report Correspondence back
to the way done in December. There may be will on Ccl to get
back to even earlier. It is an important vehicle for residents
not just to let Ccl know what they think, want, are concerned about,
but also fellow residents -- some of whom might want to join them in
recommending certain measures.}
10:04
16. REPORTS from
MAYOR/COUNCILLORS
Mayor: briefly an afternoon at Cap College called Legacy North
Shore wrt sustainability initiatives
v inspiring
VV: forgotten my item re Gleneagles?
stopped b/c lack of funds?
[ADDED BEFORE ITEM 17: Gleneagles}
Mayor: no report in front of us; wd you like to comment, Mr
Pike?
KP: we're in the office all day Monday; love to get a phone call
and have report ready
made a motion in [date], wrt restoration of Great Hall,
replacement of services connected to Golf funding; evaluating
if funds adequate; revenue stream
happy to come back with report
VV: all aware, $800K for the clubhouse and $1M borrowed to be
repaid through golfing fund
repaid from golf operations, if to be adjusted, can do that, but
not a reason to refrain
it was decided beginning of 2006; not a big sizable project,
can't even get moving on it now; concerned; shd start; if adjustment,
can make them as we proceed
this is a facility that will make money; isn't simply the biz
case; start and get it finished this year
Mayor: better when all mbrs of ccl have reports; av for Feb
4
KP: Mr Laing might have a comment or two
RL: work is continuing to scoping out the project and cost it
will be
staff close to a five-year capital plan; have it before Ccl
within ten days
Mayor?: didn't hear a seconder?
Sop: second; I'm supportive; yes, budget complications looked at
this for a long time
budget considerations, how long has this been going on?
Mayor: not sure anything being put off; Ccl at least have an
understanding
hanging in balance for Feb 4
KP: speed of moving forward; Cclr V's right, sooner we get going,
sooner done; decision wrt finance
Mayor: all mbrs; particularly Cclr V
VV: was put in notes for budget a year ago as a high priority
item
if still not able to start, something peculiar here
not unsolvable, amt of money not that huge
highest priority item doesn't start till two years later with
almost unanimous Ccl!
we'll be finished our term and not even started
someone cd rush out with a spade and say started!
leave my motion
JC: I won't be supporting this motion if a report next week; oh,
on 4th
a couple of things I've been hearing that I find disturbing, and
hope report will address that
Mayor: meet with staff
MS: I'm a little confused; not aware of firm plans and
budget
thought we were awaiting that before project commenced
firm plan and budget? if not, suggest defer until report from Mr
Pike and Mr Laing so we know what we're approving
VV read out her motions: -- authorised before Jan 2008 to begin
construction work
Mayor: suggesting a deferral motion
MS: can't see how can approve; it's MLK day and I have a dream
and hope...
Sop: we've had weeks years
we know; money been up there; every week something else
Mayor: standard process to see plans, design
priority of Ccl, it's coming in two weeks
17. PUBLIC
QUESTIONS/COMMENTS
Mayor: there are five mbrs of the public wishing to speak.
CR, Editor, West Van Matters: Good evening
just before my question, I just wanted to say that, it was a
little confusing listening b/c the Finance, you referred to it as a
Working Group, and Cclr Smith referred to it as a cmte, and so I think
that shd be clarified.
Mayor: cmte
{Readers: Cmte and WG rules are different.}
CR: thx.
and the second thing, b/c we're just starting with the budget
discussions on the 4th of Feb, and b/c the former Finance & Audit
Cmte used to meet every week or two weeks, I wd like to urge Ccl, or
whoever's forming the Finance Cmte, to start their mtgs right away
and look at the 2008 Budget along with the public. There is
time, and b/c it's not going to passed on Feb 4th; it's probably not
going to be passed by the end of Feb, so there's time for the F&A
cmte to look at the budget, and if they decide they don't have enough
time, or they only decide [to] just look at a couple of things, I
think it wd be advisable to leave it up to the new cmte, to give them
the opportunity to say what they want about it. We have then a
group of experts who can help the cmte and Ccl and financial staff, so
that's my recommendation
Mayor: [will be] in the Terms of Reference
CR: oh great, great, great, great. Well, I heard that they
are not going to do that b/c it's too late, but it's not too late,
it's never too late.
Now,
with that out of the way
I have somewhat calmed down from my discovery on Friday that
not only was the Correspondence not there on the agenda, but not even
a list. I was taken aback b/c of course when this happened in
November 2006, several of us made a fuss and it came back, and then we
had a system.
First of all, before I suggest what I think might be
considered.
I was intrigued with Cclr Vaughan's suggestion about having a
form; I think advertising it as I had said before, I think we shd
make it v clear in Tidings, that's one of the places ppl look.
It can say Public Correspondence is PUBLIC. So try to do
that.
Next thing
if it's a question of the paper,
{Readers: there'd been comments of waste of paper}
there are some ppl who don't have a computer so I suggest you
have the printed copies of the letters only at the Library and at the
Hall here. So there is some place for those ppl who don't have
access to see it, the Library and the Hall.
The next thing wd be right now, or at least until this mtg,
the list was on the agenda on the District's website and if you wanted
to read something of that was of interest to you you wd click on it
and you cd read it.
Mayor: that's what we'll have
CR: going back to that?
Mayor: that's the outcome. Cd you comment on the
outcome of our discussion?
CR: okay, but that's what we did have. Is that what
you're saying you're going to go back to?
Mayor: online, yes
CR: okay, but--
the next thing then is, if you have, there are two things then,
if there are two things that you have to--
I'm going to -- is that for me? or?
{Readers: here I was disconcerted, a bit confused,
and stopped speaking b/c a letter/paper had been handed to the Mayor
and she was reading it. No problem if she's not paying attention
to me but I wanted to know if it had something to do with what I was
saying or proposing or not.}
[Mayor still looking at paper/letter]
CR: well, I'll just wait if you're going to read that, if it
pertains--
Mayor: well, I'm chairing a mtg with a lot of incoming
information--
CR: okay, as long as -- I didn't know if you wanted me to wait
for you till you read that to answer, that's all.
If you do have to have someone to phone ppl to see if they [want
their letter to be or] made public, I think Tidings, and making it
Public Correspondence
b/c if ppl write a letter to a Public Hearing, it's
automatically all there {public, unsevered}, so if you make Public
Correspondence {same rule}
you cd hire someone, part-time to phone
now I never think you shd suggest spending money without a
solution
solution is, you spend about $40K a year now to Jerry's Cafe for
the sandwiches for the volunteer groups -- I think that's a really
good idea for the WGs b/c they're giving up their time free, but maybe
you cd have a way for companies in WV [to donate] and they'd get
advertising for this and say, such and such, whether it's Jerry's Cafe
still, is providing the sandwiches for this quarter for the WGs and
therefore if you take that out of the budget and put it into phoning
ppl to see if they can be up there.
{will point out another time that now that they've changed
from four ccl mtgs a month to two (pls a workshop), the workload wrt
mtgs has been reduced considerably so that's more than enough time to
phone residents. That's a reduction of at least 25% and there
are rarely more than 20 letters per mtg that are
private.}
The most important question I have--
Mayor: keep to three minutes please
CR: the most important question I have is PROCESS.
when you want to discuss different ways of doing things, and I
think this is valuable and you can always come up with better ways, I
have no problem with that, what disturbed many of us a great deal, as
it did in Nov 2006, and I even got a call from a cclr saying: what?
there's no [correspondence], can you tell me the correspondence, it's
not online.
Wd you pls, before you change a policy, if you're not going to
consult, wch of course wd be preferable, it wd be v nice if you wd
enunciate the options to get feedback, then we wdn't have been in
this really unfortunate circumstance to look for Correspondence, look
for something coming from an MLA, or even now, you're going to be
getting ppl writing in possibly about the budget -- and we can't read
them, we can't see what other ppl think to support them or say no, we
support you, we don't support that.
so I hope that the Correspondence List and online will all be on
Feb 4th and I also hope that if you're going to change something
that affects the public involvement, and I know you really work hard
on cmnty engagement that you will discuss it thoroughly in public so
it's not a surprise to so many ppl
Mayor: thank you
CR: do I have your assurance on that?
Mayor: well, I can't think of a single piece of legislation we've
debated more than the Procedure Bylaw. I actually think for some
reason, the Correspondence issue for Ccl must hv gotten lost in the
number of changes we made to it; but when we realized that, that's why
we've continued to discuss it, so hopefully this system will
work
Ccl's v open-minded about trying it, and v open-minded about
adapting
CR: right. In future--
Mayor: I have to--
CR: in future keep to the way you are doing it, then change
it, don't change it and then discuss it.
Thank you v much
{As you wd hv seen in the earlier discussion by Ccl,
several cclrs were unaware of this change in Correspondence.
Will do more research. Look for clarification. IMVHO, it's
still unconscionable that the same change was made almost two years in
a row when there were objections the first time and most got
reinstated. Furthermore, why on God's little green Earth, make
such a drastic change to public information, when committed to cmnty
engagement, without a discussion of options first. Not
change/cancel, and (try to) explain later. We must scotch this
type of 'democratic' govt asap.}
10:22
Mayor: looks like Katharine Steig has left
CR: she left
Bruce McArthur: Good evening
There is a budget for Gleneagles, $1.87M
it's "design-build" so you won't get
[design]
[re Man who gave] Metro presentation sorry gone
saw nothing about coastline cmnties, waterways -- look at
developing cmnties so far in future
scientists said wd be under water
DOGS: want to make sure areas ppl can go so not being upset
being confronted by dogs
disappointed the current bylaw is not being enforced in Nelson
Canyon
ran into six dogs; clearly a flaunting of the bylaw
now my pet thing, the Firehall lot
letter came to this Ccl saying the WRA concerned about other
concerns
Madam Mayor, when you broke the tie...
WRA didn't totally endorse it, a few ppl, did not
vote
I'm a Chair of the WRA, also an interested party; I live next
door
JF: I'd encourage you to go to www.metrovan.org, this document is
there; encourage everyone to register
Bruce: I'm meeting with SmartGrowth BC tomorrow; I'm putting it
in your mind
JF: anyone not able to go to mtg can
David Roach: interested in discussion over
Correspondence
align with Cclr Sop; do find the printed v useful' usually
lodged in Ref Section of Library
correspondence; allows public to see
what's being discussed
won't be under what you said
tonight
first, it's govt to govt corresp we won't
be seeing; non-govt correspondence, may
shape
Mayor: not my
understanding; will all be
scanned
DR: if doesn't apply to agenda,
doesn't...
doesn't make it into package
get agenda earliest on Thursday, usually on
Friday; not released
have to have agenda
advanced
or change the procedure by wch agenda
items processed
eg tonight's agenda had the F&a Cmte
and I asked at that time wd the public have an opp to comment on the
F&A Cmte
there was no advance notice of that
agenda item coming to this mtg
no opp to review the change in
structure, so ....
{That's why it's important to have at
least the list of Correspondence on the agenda!!!
He's also referring to the fact that
the F&A Cmte change/restructuring was added tonight at the mtg so
no one wd know that a new Finance group was being
considered.}
Mayor: says.... bring forward tonight or Feb 4th
trying to do our best, moving forward with
our agenda...
make it adaptable; believe will be on the Feb 4th agenda
{adaptable??? bzzt! no, OPEN!!! Remember openness,
transparency, public information and consultation!}
DR: when Correspondence is received has
been about a two-week lapse
mechanism by wch reflecting in a timely
manner?
Mayor: whole point of scanning is be ready
immediately
by the time Corresp made it to Ccl, had
already happened
less often ...
Now go to Mr McTavish -- but you will have
Terms of Ref Feb 4th and you'll have an opp [then]
Don McTavish: didn't intend to come tonight
but a little bird told me;
interesting
didn't know $1.87M for
Gleneagles
when Basil Davis and I hired for
[CCCtr]
for the benefit of work, I have not been
paid
Mayor: if personal, not here
Don McT: been turned down by
it's now three years, and put my company in
receivership
Mayor: will discuss this tomorrow
[with you]
DMcT: you're a good lady so I'll believe
you
Mayor: I'm the Mayor.
{GREAT ANSWER!}
DMcT: mtg of F&A, that mtg took place
Dec 18
difficult to... my name is not there
{hm. How did he get those minutes? not on the
F&A webpage, no mtg since so cdn't have been adopted -- how did he
get the minutes????}
Mayor: we'll add it
DMcT: thought it was a good
mtg; haven't had the opp to discuss these
draft minutes
I circulated a draft of a report from the
MLA
gave to Cclr Smith wch he slid across to Mr
Stuart, and wd like it back
Mayor: Mr St gave it to me; do you want it passed to other mbrs of
Ccl
DMcT: good;
shd be in colour
Mayor: Anyone further wishing to
comment?
nope so 18. ADJOURNMENT 10:37
=== COUNCIL MTG AGENDA Feb
4th ===
CALL TO ORDER
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES: January 14, 2008 Special Council
Meeting and January 21, 2008 Regular Council
Meeting be adopted; and the minutes
of the January 14, 2008 Council
Workshop be received.
REPORTS
3. Kay
Meek Centre Update: presentation from P. Gravett, Executive Director
of the Kay Meek Centre regarding Kay Meek Centre Update be received
for information.
4. Government Finance Officers Association -
Canadian Award for Financial Reporting Achievement -- received for information.
5. Development Variance Permit Application
07-048 (5340 Seaside Place)
At
the January 21, 2008 meeting, Council received the report dated
January 11, 2008 from the Community Planner..
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
RECOMMENDED: THAT all written and
verbal submissions ... be received.
If Council wishes a further staff report,
then:
RECOMMENDED: THAT Staff report
back to Council regarding submissions received
OR
RECOMMENDED: THAT the DVP which
would provide for a pool mechanical room with a variance to siting, be
approved.
6. North Shore Advisory Committee on
Disability Issues Review of 2007 Committee Work and 2008 Workplan and
Budget
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. The North Shore Advisory
Committee on Disability Issues 2008 Workplan be approved;
and
2. The budget request for a
one third share ($3267) of the total budget ($9800) be referred to
the 2008 budget consideration.
7. [Five-Year] Operating and
Capital Budget for 2008-2012: Information to be
provided.
8. Traffic and Parking Bylaw No. 4370, 2004,
Amendment Bylaw No. 4535, 2008
RECOMMENDED: introduced and read a first,
second and third time.
9. Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368,
2004, Amendment Bylaw
No. 4536, 2008
RECOMMENDED: introduced and read a
first, second and third time.
10. Establishment of Finance Committee and
Audit Committee
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. Council approve the terms of
reference, as attached to the report from the Director of Finance
dated January 28, 2008, for a reconstituted "Finance Committee",
and for the segregated "Audit Committee".
2. Council consider the
appointment of five members of the community, and a Council liaison
member, to the Finance Committee.
11. Appointments to the Design Review
Committee for 2008: Info to be provided
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
12. Consent
Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
The following Consent Agenda items may
be considered separately or in one recommendation.
REPORTS FOR CONSENT
AGENDA
13. Development Applications Status List
-- received for
information.
14.
Greater Vancouver Water District (GVWD) 2007 Grant in Lieu of
Taxes: from the Greater
Vancouver Water District in the amount of $47,670 for
2007.
15. Terms of Reference for Proposed Working
Groups: Arts & Cultural Facilities; and Festivals &
Events
RECOMMENDED: received for
information as recommended by the Community Engagement
Committee.
CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR
CONSENT AGENDA
16. Correspondence
List -- be received.
Requests for Delegation --
No items presented.
Action
Required
(1) K. Felker, Order of British Columbia,
Honours and Awards Secretariat, January 14, 2008, regarding 2008
Call for Nominations
Referred to the Mayor and Council
for consideration and response.
(2) January 21, 2008, regarding Traffic
Violations (Collingwood School)
Referred to the Director of
Administrative Services for consideration and response.
(3) G. Vlieg, TransLink, January 22, 2008,
regarding North Shore Trade Area Study - Memorandum of Understanding
with Transport Canada regarding Funding
Referred to the Director of
Engineering and Transportation for consideration and
response.
No Action Required (receipt
only)
(4) Committee and
Board Meeting Minutes
(a) West Vancouver Memorial Library Board -
December 12, 2007
(5) D. Saboe, North Shore Candlelight
Committee, December 10, 2007, regarding "Thank You" for
Participation in the 2007 Event
(6) S.C. Ribeiro, District of Central
Saanich, January 17, 2008, regarding Letter to Mayor Ferguson,
City of Abbotsford regarding Resolution - Equitable Police
Funding
(7) S. McCloy, WorkSafeBC, January 22, 2008,
regarding New Working Alone or in Isolation Regulations to Protect
Workers to Take Effect Beginning February 01,
2008
(8) D. Marley, January 23, 2008, regarding
Reestablishment of Finance and Audit Committee
(9) British Columbia Ministry of
Transportation, undated, 2008, regarding The Provincial Transit
Plan
Attachments available for viewing
in the Legislative Services Department.
(10) D. Whelan, City of Ottawa, January 24, 2008,
regarding Ottawa City Council Resolution regarding Hotel Room
Tax
(11) J. Paton, District of North Vancouver, January 23,
2008, regarding Council Questions and Staff Responses from the January
15, 2008 Public Hearing for Bylaw No. 7645 (Capilano Suspension
Bridge)
Responses to
Correspondence
(12) B.A. Dozzi, Roads & Transportation, January
17, 2008, reply to
S. Shearsmith, Carriage
Management Inc. regarding Bellevue Avenue at 21st Street -
Traffic Patterns
Responses to Questions in
Question Period -- No items presented.
17. REPORTS from MAYOR/COUNCILLORS
18. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS 19. ADJOURNMENT
=== DIETING? NEW YEAR'S
RESOLUTION?
Hi everyone ..........thought this might clear up all the
controversies about dieting, it made me feel as if I was on the right
track.
Most of us watch what we eat and this is surely the final word on
research findings regarding nutrition and health.
It's also a relief to know the truth after all those conflicting
medical studies.
THE FACTS:
1. Japanese eat very little fat and suffer fewer heart attacks
than Aussies, British, or Americans.
2. Mexicans eat a lot of fat and suffer fewer heart attacks than
Aussies, British, or Americans.
3. Africans drink very little red wine and suffer fewer heart
attacks than Aussies, British, or Americans.
4. Italians drink large amounts of red wine and suffer fewer
heart attacks than Aussies, British, or Americans.
5. Germans drink a lot of beer and eat lots of sausages and fats
and suffer fewer heart attacks than Aussies, British, or
Americans.
CONCLUSION:
Eat and drink what you like. Speaking English is apparently what
kills you.
=== Resident gRUMBLE ===
Message to Ccl from a discussion on CBC radio last year to think
about correspondence to municipal govt: every resident has
the right to privacy but not anonymity.
=== LANGUAGE
===
You may recall that Stephen
Colbert's "truthiness" got word of the year, a while
ago.
The O.E.D. selected a food
word -- "locavore" meaning one who strives to eat foods
grown or produced locally -- as its 2007 word of the
year.
=== IRISH ARCHAEOLOGY
===
After having dug to a depth of 10 metres
last year, Scottish scientists found traces of copper wire dating back
100 years and came to the conclusion that their ancestors already had
a telephone network more than 100 years ago.
Not to be outdone by the Scots, in the
weeks that followed, English scientists dug to a depth of 20 metres
and, shortly after, headlines in the English newspapers read: 'English
archaeologists have found traces of 200-year-old copper wire and have
concluded that their ancestors already had an advanced high-tech
communications network a hundred years earlier than the Scots.'
One week later, 'The Kerrymen', a
southwest Irish newsletter, reported the following:
"'After digging as deep as 30 metres in a peat bog near
Tralee, Paddy O'Furniture, a self-taught archaeologist, reported
that he found absolutely nothing..."
Paddy therefore concluded that 300 years ago Ireland had already
gone wireless.
=== CHEMISTRY ===
Subject: A new addition to Chemistry's Periodic
Table
Research has led to the discovery of the heaviest
element yet known to science. The new element, Governmentium (Gv), has
one neuron, 25 assistant neurons, 88 deputy neurons, and 198 assistant
deputy neurons, giving it an atomic mass of 312.
These 312 particles are held together by forces
called morons, which are surrounded by vast quantities of lepton-like
particles called peons. Since Governmentium has no electrons, it
is inert; however, it can be detected, because it impedes every action
with which it comes into contact. A minute amount of Governmentium can
cause a reaction that would normally take less than a second to
take from four days to four years to complete.
Governmentium has a normal half-life of two to six
years; it does not decay, but instead undergoes a reorganization in
which a portion of the assistant neurons and deputy neurons exchange
places. In fact, Governmentium's mass will actually increase over
time, since each reorganization will cause more morons to become
neurons, forming isodopes. This characteristic of moron
promotion leads some scientists to believe that Governmentium is
formed whenever morons reach a critical concentration. This
hypothetical quantity is referred to as critical morass. When
catalyzed with money, Governmentium becomes Administratium, an element
that radiates just as much energy as Governmentium since it has
half as many peons but twice as many morons.
=== QUOTATIONS
===
Since a politician never believes what he says, he is quite
surprised to be taken at his word.
--
Charles de Gaulle
He who postpones the hour of living is like the rustic who waits
for the river to run out before he crosses.
--
Horace, poet and satirist (65-8 BCE)
On CBC 690 broadcast from Prince George 2008 Jan 11, they were
talking about forests and the pine beetle. Then a Chilcotin
spoke: We must look after the land. If we look after the land,
the land will look after us.
From Robert Pinsky's Gulf Music, the book review under BOOKWATCH
above:
Deciding to remember, and what to remember, is how we decide
who we are.
Every man's memory is his private literature. -- Aldous
Huxley, novelist (1894-1963)