however both Pam and Vivian have jumped into the race for Mayor in November.....

IN THIS ISSUE:

MAIN ITEMS June 16th: special ccl mtg at 6:45 to rescind the previous Amb Town Ctr resolutions of Ccl, then to introduce the bylaw and to set the Public Hearing for July 7; Annual Report 2007 (and budget bylaws such as Endowment Reserve Fund Expenditure, Youth Activity Fund); Cmnty Ctr Quarterly Update; Former firehall (6500 Marine) site to be zoned as three sgl-fam lots instead of multi-family; Special ccl mtg 9am June 18 Wed (changed to Thurs June 19) 

=  Vive le Canada (Apology; Polish Cmnty); ANIMALWATCH (frog vs insect); from the EDITOR'S DESK (Hugo Ray Park; Power; Heritage); UPDATES (VANOC; WVPD nab suspect; Plastic Bags, 2008 BC Heritage Awards)

=  CALENDAR to June 30th (check for changes and updates), and beginning of July

=  Ccl NOTES June 9th: Amb Town Ctr PH changed to July 7; Hugo Ray Park (for over three hours); gorgeous Heritage Register Report (+ comments); CEC Status Report (intro then deferred); 11:08 Adjournment!

=  NEWSWATCH (Zimbabwe; Gaza; Colombia); GARDENWATCH (HRH); THEATREWATCH (King Lear at Bard; Othello on CBC); BOOKWATCH (Glenn Gould; Bottlemania; Cdn CPTers; Award for De Niro's Game); LANGUAGE (Bees; Poetry Punishment; New Word; Bushese); Report Card Comments; Quotations/Question

A MOVING, HISTORIC DAY

Prime Minister Harper offers full apology on behalf of Canadians for the Indian Residential Schools system.  See full text on the PM's website: http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=2149

PRIME MINISTER HARPER CELEBRATES HISTORIC MILESTONES OF THE POLISH COMMUNITY IN CANADA

2008 marks the 150th anniversary of the first Polish settlement in Canada in the Kaszuby region west of Ottawa, the 100th anniversary of the birth of the thriving Polish community in Windsor, and the 75th anniversary of the Canadian Polish Congress, the national voice of Canadians of Polish descent.

"These anniversaries remind us how much Polish Canadians -- more than 800,000 strong today -- have done to build our great country," Prime Minister Harper said. "Polish Canadians have made their mark in every walk of Canadian life."

=== ANIMALWATCH === Frog vs insect:  http://www.truveo.com/Frog-owned-by-insects/id/1997509223

*** BUSY -- six cmtes/events on Tues June 24th! (See Calendar below)

Over three hours of the June 9th ccl mtg (see Notes below).  Hugo Ray devt/fields still a hot topic.  Last issue I put in the DWV website's information.  You will have seen letters in Outlook and NSNews with the residents' views.

Worrisome re height overage/variance staff led builder to believe wd be approved so he continued.  Hope to follow this up.  As you see in the ccl mtg notes June 9 below, concern expressed by both Sop and VV.

***  HERITAGEWATCH below at end of Updates, and the Heritage Register item at end of June 9th Ccl Mtg Notes.

While plastic bags are only about 1% of the landfill, indeed that's part of the problem -- a recent TV program on CBC's Newsworld identified other dreadful effects, including removing 50 lbs of plastic bags from a turtle it had ingested.  It kills many creatures and clogs waterways.  More info:

Always great to see before and after.  The list is below under HERITAGEWATCH.  Many of you will have seen the rusty Britannia Mines with broken windows.  If you've been there recently you'll see it's white and restored -- there was a gasp in the room when the 'after' slide came up.  A couple of months ago we went to a concert there (Canadian, classical music).  And the exciting news is that "The Men of the Deeps" are scheduled to sing there in August!

One of the highlights of the annual Heritage Society of BC conference (this year in Langley) is the awards.  Seeing what others cmnties have done is truly inspiring.

From the HSBC website:

        ~ 6:30pm ~ Child Care WG       

        ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte -- CANCELLED

        ~ 5pm ~ NSACDI at DNV M Hall

Info: http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=2940&c=815

+++  WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++ see www.westvanlib.org

+++  FERRY BUILDING GALLERY  +++  June 24 - July 27

MOVE OVER, LEONARDO !  --  John Martin Gilbert  --  Fine Art, Fine Fun

+++ SILK PURSE +++  (1570 Argyle) www.silkpurse.ca

Last Monday, June 2nd, our former Mayor Patricia Boname passed away.  The flags on all our municipal buildings will continue to fly at half mast.  A memorial service to honour Pat will be held this Friday, June 13th, at 2 pm at Christ Church Cathedral in Vancouver.  [See rest on DWV website: http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=5733&c=855]

Many changes/additions including: Add'n to Item 4, removing ROW item 9, 13.1 add'n, 12 to 13.2; adding new item 13.3, rescission to ccl mtg schedule, Collingwood parking, adding to Correspondence list 10.1; item 4, Amb bylaw June 16 (change)

SSch: add'l 50 items of Correspondence rec'd

2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES  May 26 Regular Council Meeting; and May 28 Public Hearing/Public Meeting.

Mayor: we have three or four pages of speakers this evening; bell will ring at two minutes 45 seconds, please keep remarks to three minutes

Sop: passion; lots of email/contacts; nec to come if same point?

Sop: heard it loud and clear; don't mind ev getting up but if whole list and ev same thing; we get the msg

JBirchall: scheduled weeks ago but I had knee surgery; Senior Games are for those 55 and older; 26, 28 diff activities; this yr in Pr Geo; next in Richmond, then in Comox Valley

Games started in 1982, sorry, 1988 [slide up, charts].  Our zone is Zone 4, called Lower Mainland -- Pemberton to Tsawwassen.  This chart shows cities, participants.  Last year's medal winnings.

brochure, list of sports, and recreational such as bridge; cycling most difficult, and so is hockey

a lot of badminton players

for 55 and over, a lot of interest; last year I won three gold medals (I play badminton); have someone from Pemberton won 11 gold medals last year, and he was 92

ask Ccl if somehow cd get the word out, wd appreciate; went round to churches, mosques, halls, and ppl didn't know about these games; wd appreciate that; other two Ms on NShore, a proclamation of Seniors' Week during Sr Games; new field for me but quite willing to get out and talk; once ppl get out they keep going, keeps them out of the hospital

JF: staff get notice out in Tidings, facilities

JB: if I can have my medal back! -- want to show you our jacket -- we have t-shirts and hats

        Information to be provided on June 6, 2008. -- DEFERRED TO NEXT MONDAY

Sokol: during bldg inspection discovered overheight (during construction 2 x 10 joists replaced by 2 x 12); identified, construction continued with agreement on behalf of the Permitting Dept that they do so but identified need to resolve this issue; only portions of the roof overheight; applicant has applied for this Devt Variance Permit to resolve this issue

[someone in gallery, out of earshot of Ccl made comment his roof was 2" over and he'd been made to fix it, not continue]

Mayor: we'll have discussion at discussion point; now Public Input.  No one, so--

oh, yes, pls

Bob Russborn (sp?): Russborn Design.

we did the design on the house; it's a little unfair to say the builder proceeded to construct the house; roof was basically on, agreed with Bldg Dept, the builder did not go ahead on his own volition to continue the house; it was agreed the Bldg Dept wd not redtag house and allowed him to continue construction

there's a history wrt the actual construction and sale of land of this particular prop

builder bought from BPP, roads incomplete, grading of lot not complete

proceeded to design on a survey plan proceeded by BPP

we were the first permit in the area; lots adjacent were regraded and a new survey done; wch wd have allowed the whole house to be raised by at least one foot

when presented to the City, said had to do according to original, so in fact 9.5" or 8.5" below what it cd hv bn

potentially lower than adjacent houses b/c adjacent houses designed according to revised survey plan

CARRIED

Sop: opposed -- don't want to hear about it.

Then MS moved variance on the Height of Building requirements be approved!

from our sides, there's limitations on houses; so much change wrt bulk and everything else; nbrhd character worst it's ever been wrt change

just concerned that we have to be fair to everybody; if we have a bylaw, height or dimension in the bylaw, we aren't being v helpful, clear, fair, consistent if we let one after another, for various reasons, prop owners come to us and have dimensions altered; we shd reinforce our policies, and make sure we don't take a lenient attitude about it.

Mayor: re Cclr V's suggestion, if caught at design stage, that wd be a good time to check in; I agree with you.

7:29 start  ------------  Hugo Ray Park  ------------

o  This item, Hugo Ray Park, went on for over three hours.  This therefore will be abbreviated with some notes.  The last issue of WVM had info from the DWV website and the URL for the residents' website.  Thursday's Outlook (June 12) had a long letter from resident D Lust (see http://www.bclocalnews.com/greater_vancouver/northshoreoutlook/opinion/letters/19791154.html)

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Ian Baggott: Dir of HRPark Society; over past 18 years spent a great deal of time searching whole of M for new sports fields, no other underused site with advantages; proposal before you best, four years; purpose was to upgrade; intent in maintaining and improving park for our players

WV Soccer Club ....., Sport BC, Field Hockey BC, Field.....

until Sept 2007, WV Cricket Club has been a supporter and now ... dead set against any devt ... less ambitious than in ....  60 cricket players...

valuable during wet fall months, not possible today..... solve

cost of new turf field, entirely borne; v minimal cost to taxpayers; 3P endeavour

Francesca Roddick: like many kids in WV, play field hockey and started when I was seven

watched grow over the years; had to drive ..... had to practise at Eric Hamber

6:30 home 10pm just so on ...

...  even had to drive out to UBC... many of us play on multiple teams; artif turf for soccer too bouncy;

received scholarships in US, many of us; WV needs to

Britney Quinville: Sentinel HS Student, play on five teams; field hockey a big part of my life; excited about having a field in WV: Mulgrave

Sept to mid-Nov; use soccer fields to practise but at this time of year soccer has precedence so have to practise at 6:30am; disadvantage young girls difficult time adjusting to speed of ball

can understand local residents, traffic, near Collingwood, share of traffic conflict; confident can find a [soln?]

Sop: wondered through all the things you've been through, did you have fun?

Britney Quinville: yes, thank you

Nicholas Loewen: played for six years, playing for ..

home field for us this year at UBC: majority of games in Bby

last weekend played in a field hockey tournament, played three games Fr/Sa/Sun 4.5 hours playing and six hours driving; ridiculous -- drive v far

HRPk more convenient, ten-min drive from house, ...

Rita Rasburg: 21, involved as a player since the age of ten; field hockey umpire

highest rated .... jr clubs ... umpire coordinator for the women's section; still involved as coach...

field hockey umpire assessor; not having one here made it v difficult; allowed only two hours in Carson Graham

two or three on ...  ridiculous, pretty unsafe;  fight with Vancouver clubs to get a time

shd not have to plead for time to keep up

scheduling our umpires, potential to place ...  Surrey, Rmd, Delta

drive out only paid $20; most held in evenings so quite dark

training -- no field lights, can't just talk about it; I'm not an elite player, play for fun, ... opp for others

Dave Lust: Prez of HRPark Area Residents' Group

Mayor: Mr Lakhani

DL: unless ... defer until read and comprehend our analysis of Mr Pike's report

summary of flaws; internally inconsistent; so biased; base to proceed; unclear from report

one..... for kids; or concept of two side by side

... not scaled down; phased in; in essence, vote for whole; Club will expend funds using donated monies; contingent on; misconceived; contingent nature

claims to have raised $2M include pledged monies; $174K not $2M... Cricket

securing of infrastructure funding last year $1M is not $1.5M

egress; residents' concerns at issue; concept plan and ... to achieve it

Mr Pike has previously....

misguided; hardly provide confidence; to providing a robust solution

JF: as a point of order; cd you read two names, the speaker following so ready to go, save time

Nazlin Nathu: live in area, want to pick up on two issues

this is not a one turf field proposal for kids, this is a phased-in plan

shd Ccl be encouraging this proposal; encouragement but not a promise, so shd Ccl?

the problem with contingent encouragement, it takes on a life of its own; wishful thinking encouragement turns into a de facto promise

Some examples: in an email Mr Pike (July 2007), and I quote: "my concern now is that the Society is going too far ahead of their Ccl approval, wch just allows them to fundraise and come back"; prophetic words indeed

A few days after that July 24th, NSN article states DWV Ccl approved plans to modernize the popular field hockey and cricket ....  A few days later, NSN noted report of Pat MacLeod: "the District considered an important partner; construction expected next summer; completion fall 2008 -- all this with encouragement to fundraise.

Even someone as diligent and conscientious as Mr Pike, aware of potential of overstepping this, is not immune.  I note in his reports (Dec 2005 and Jan 2006), states clear that lighting will be problematic in terms of nbrhd effect and thus the plan does not include this feature.  Later he writes to Don Robertson of Esker Lane re lights on fields 1 and 2, you may have noted on the club mailout that lights are shown, this is not, NOT, what was intended, nor what we told the Club is possible.  If and when artif turf is put on these two fields, the intent is they not be lighted.

Mayor: thank you; stick to three minutes

NN: I've never been heard from, Madam Mayor, and wd ask Ccl's indulgence for just another minute

so, I can -- this is not a proposal that's going to be addressed by anyone else at this point.

Mayor: We're going to stick to the three minutes I'm afraid b/c we've got four pages of ppl who feel the way you do, and so, if at the end of that, you feel that you're--I'm actually chairing the mtg; and at the end if you want to come back, that'll be fine.  That's how we run a Public Hearing.  That's the best I can do.

Stephen Given: wrt lighting of field 1 and effect on nbrhd

expense of artif turf not  warranted unless use maximized ... till 6am to at least 10pm, all week, 12 mos a year

current traffic is irritating to put it mildly but at least it ends at suppertime and only part of the year, year round wd be unbearable; Bunt Traffic Study totally ignores this aspect of the devt; lighting a few, but traffic affects all

Hockey says this devt will increase field time 750 hours per year, 200 cars per hour peak times according to Bunt; both figs probably conservative, means another 150K cars passing my house each year.

in 20 years we've lived in house seen field hockey grown from a few hundred mbrs to over 2000

enough is enough; field hockey has outgrown this facility, and if they want to continue to grow and host int'l tournaments with upwards of 50 teams they shd find somewhere else, preferably a site with access to public transit to reduce traffic and carbon footprint

Deborah Quinville: my husband is involved in field hockey but he's out of town so I'm reading this letter to you

somewhat perplexed debate continues; fields and facilities beyond their best years; field hockey advanced so playing on grass no longer viable; as father of two girls travelled all over Lower Mainland.....  disappointed prov govt did not come through [with funds]

from actions of a few homeowners

success of Society and raising $2M ...

WVField Hockey club highly admired throughout NAm; a lot of recogn to WV, the kind expect our Mayor and Ccl to be proud of; variety of sports, it is our youth, breathe life into...

HRay 36 years for benefit of all WV, not preserve of a few; our chn need this project to go forward

Ali Karmali: Esker Lane, arguably most impacted by report Mr Pike

resident in this area, decision to live here HRPark setting, provides some balance to activities

thought of type of Amb, fenced turf field, disturbs me; envmtal impact shd not be ignored

Mr Pike's report flawed, inconsistent; impact greatest Esker Lane

proposed solution planting mature trees, ineffective high light poles wd ...

unreliable tool to make your decisions going forward

we have made a  proposal going forward, a win-win scenario ... and must be considered

I grew up with field hockey and cricket, I grew up with both sports, it's about balance

consider win-win proposal, do in fair and equitable manner, rather than base on a flawed concept plan, ...

ignores many residents, downgrades, incorrectly claims to have addressed traffic, lighting, noise, traffic, etc....

Gillian Boothroyd: live above Amb turf field overlooks lights; when they went in there a lot of concern; three years later, we don't see them anymore; not the concern original thought

here with my father, Vince Boothroyd and his friend Hugh Fraser, who started the WV Field Hockey Club 40 years ago this year; here with my two kids; they collectively had six daughters, told no organized sports for girls on the NShore; were horrified by this,  Knowing nothing about field  hockey outside of knowing they had to wear skirts; entire church choir holding clipboards on Klahanie fields; club now has 2000 mbrs; don't think either dreamed wd be level of success it has in WV; I played, my brother played; my father; being British, played cricket and my brother played cricket through childhood, named to Cdn national team; both sports imp to family

now I coach both my kids' hockey teams, and play in women's Sept to Mar; seen crunch and need for fields; play with three other teams, late at Carson Graham, dangerous; I'll never become... Coordinator, division grown exponentially; had to move an entire division of kids down to Amb turf

left six boys' teams careering around with field hockey sticks

v few opps for women my age to be involved in a team sport; WV field hockey tremendous role model; strong older mothers playing; vision 40 years ago, life breathed into it will be by you so chn opp to play sports that I have

Robert Barr: live at Esker Lane

this Ccl was unaware there was a Hugo Ray Park Society; had to stand up ...

Second: traffic; Third: policy wrt sponsorship and corporate naming

motion was passed in Ccl, donation of $1M

HRPark taking responsibility

covering....  fast forward tonight; staff report, not only $1M still in play but expanded to $1.5M; totally unacceptable to the residents and taxpayers given your recent report re spending; find funds; reintroduce them; initial conditions no longer apply; access to UL Hwy; repeated from MoT, not going to happen

how much of taxpayers' money frittered away; design and continued lobbying

distasteful, even if Min of Hwys, out of taxpayers' pocket; another $1M

several other points, respect three-minute limit; any time at end will continue my presentation

Mayor: three minutes and we don't usually have this many ppl

Ian Thomas: bigger issue here; a cmnty that's expanding; playing fields that greatly need to be expanded; demands for more playing fields, success with Amb changes

if it ain't broke, don't fix it

clear that HR fields in great need of retrofit

told by press last week, many chn inactive; v responsible encouraging more activity for our chn

proposal comes with a price tag, won't cost M anything; expansion for hockey, I think WV's going to generate a new asset; Ccl give utmost consideration

more money than in WVFdn account, only true number counts re pledges esp since .....

future funds? money to complete second field; no plan or budget for second phase; who knows what will cost?

if rejected by and ... puts all the traffic back through the residential

other through Cedardale, ruled out by Mr Pike b/c he didn't want two nbrhds on the warpath; then WV taxpayers have to pay for this to hwy

with thousands of new ppl visiting the nbrhd; with WV reputation as richest suburb, perhaps may attract some of the wrong kind of ppl; vandalims and burglaries not only to the facility

property crimes to houses and vehicles; problem with vast increase of outsiders; references to security, but not addressed in this report; Sutherland turf field study refers to security in area surrounding new field, but no consideration to security in this report

Jim O'Toole: Lawson Ave on route to HRPark; opposition to lights and artif turf at HRPark

already overburdened; downplays current traffic probs and concerns; put field in and the egress when  other field installed in a few years

one solution to traffic, are you kidding me?   How does adding parking stalls change the number of cars coming in and out of a nbrhd?

Cypress Park, Rodgers or ...

I was outside weeding my garden on Third St, .. screeched,  65km an hr; so mad, stood in front

slapped side of his car to slow down -- not in those words but you get msg.  He came back, he said, "I'm so sorry.  late to pick up my kid and you have ev right to be mad at me."

my daughter came back in tears; volume of traffic, if finally hit wd you ...

she now drives to Stanley Park to go for walks

... will you listen to us now; enough is enough; pls vote no and consider the nbrs

Bill Purcell: Aubeneau, all but four for past 46 years mbr since 1973

when field hockey was played on grass; coach now....

have heard about water-based turf fields, can't believe........

to Surrey, ....most cricketers live  .......

for biggest and most successful club in NAm hasn't a field

my oldest daughter; came onto Amb, scuffed the field, you mean you play on this? researched for soccer

my daughter went down to LA, ... won fourth year in row won that tournament

ran into scout from Cornell; well aware of ... in BC; v impressed with my team, in Grade Nine

bet they look good on water-based field ........

last election heard a lot about not letting WV stagnate

chose to raise my chn here, imp issue; a little while ago, school graduation and they've never played on ...

can't believe 57 cricketers and a handful of residents can hold ... ; can't believe we're on opposite sides of the table pushing the project; sad day for WV if this doesn't proceed

Sarah Sadler: I've played... many times in the Caltech [?] tournaments

we play on water-based; play on grass can't accommodate ...

v fortunate in my 25 years in WV to play and coach field hockey; at regional and prov level

WV is v unique; coaching progs, coached them since they were rugrats

Vipers -- won Vanc Int'l tournament ...

this last season had to practise from 9 to 10::45pm at Eric Hamber really hard to work

I have coached kids in this area, tugs at my heart, and they're here opposing this...

for one field, don't know how many cars

22 players, do carpool, don't know how many thieves....

one turf field with possibility of two, really imp for our club, kids I coach, implore you to vote yes tonight

Ashley Gold: grew up in Dund now in Edgemont, coach at Collingwood

first played at HRPark at ten, 20 years ago; dropped soccer in favour of field hockey; played ...

all games held over town ...

field hockey scholarship at Old Dominion  in US; featured in NSN

back to coach at Collingwood; since 1996, upwards of 50 who have attended U on scholarships

teaching about teamwork, safe place for ... ; grow up as positive mbrs of cmnty; gateway for young girls ... cannot host high level.... can't compete in own city

I haven't .... for approx ten years; Collingwood practise at 6:30 in morning just to get on Amb turf

Sukhi Sikha: chair and co-chair of HRPark Society

approached to raise funds; 2006, agreed to be part of cmte

started fundraising in Mar 2007; strategy to raise $2M in cmnty then grant for $2M, then more funds to complete project ...

prov accepted our application, shortlisted meeting all criteria, but in March 2008 notified did not receive grant

15 ppl ... cmte ... for a total of $2M; will support one field for field hockey and mini soccer; we are confident this can be achieved and prepared to deliver a chq for $100K for design; thank...... for support

Jane Koznick: live in NV; here as zone rep for... and chair of field hockey club

support for proposal; different aspects for all of our athletes

challenging b/c we don't have proper turf on the N Shore

150 participants from NSh; 100 players high perf progs, prov teams; artificial turf is now the standard....

you must be a mbr of this prog; will increase b/c of success of our prog

also for the first time, medal in hi perf; brought home ...

turf time in Vancouver, as non resident next to impossible

can only be done with proper turf at HRPark; so realize their goals and their dreams

Cindy Gibbon: my opposition to the report as presented

lighting, noise, another aspect, irreparable harm to our chn from synthetic turf ...

also wanted to mention, we have 90 families, a large handful

Nicole Sauder: Hadden Drive, strong opposition; devt of this prop, negative impact to the entire nbrhd; traffic already intolerable

for three years my first daughter attended Montessori, unwilling to walk my daughter b/c of excessive speed

walking daughter and dog, take our lives .... had a car honk at me, inches from my baby carriage

this is a family nbrhd, chn and seniors; many inexperienced drivers; hope voice of myself and nbrs, extravagant and unnec devt

Alan Bergman: Nicole is my wife and it's quite {rare?} that she doesn't get the last word

we're not against using the park and using it fully

against natural grass being ripped up and .... down; lighting

glad cricket done, so great, and have done it in cmnties around

stadium-type lighting, negatively affect nbrhd and cemetery; lighting fields 1 and 2 not ...

currently report, expense of artif turf not warranted if not lighted ... wd really impact nbrhds around ...

objection has never changed; lighting wd permit play into the quiet hours, change quiet tranquil nbrhd and increase traffic flow; our [proposal?], and have a win-win for ev

Derek de Sa: live in Coquitlam

sev environmental concerns re replacement of grass by synthetic materials; if you go back to the history of artif turf, injuries; sold as free maintenance, ... now many jurisdictions re-evaluating diff sites; aware that MondoTurf is recommending a diff variety than before; even their own ... chromium and zinc are high; high levels of DMP, exceed the safe values in Norway ...

asbestos, 1907 possible carcinogen in UK, took Canada 60 years to ... made them look quite stupid

look at the situation, senior execs of smoking companies said not addictive or ...

at the moment MondoTurf, Upper Canada College chose to ... wd require 1861 mature conifers for carbon neutrality

Rahab Mujab (?): Mission, BC; cricket for over 100 years

WV cricket Club established in 1955; integral part, plays in all five divisions of BC Cricket League; HRPark is considered the best facility west of Toronto, and most consider it the primary cricket field and best in Canada

energy and finances in making HRPark high rated cricket facility in lower mainland if not Canada; considerable effort; hosts playoff games at HRPark; holds a lot of jr devt games/play-offs; inspected; 2012 coming to Canada, potential holding World Cup; devastating blow to Canada as a whole

premier overall; growing leaps and bounds, in last 20 years represented four world cups

after soccer second biggest sport in the world; brings cmnties together; even greats, Captain X came to Canada this year and said HRPark one of the best facilities in NAm for cricket, and loss to Canada and cricketing world; Cricket Canada held tournament in Toronto, and two of WV represented the BC squad; almost five potentially cd be in the Canadian Squad; that's the level of cricket here; cricket is a growing sport where ev comes together, talking about survival not convenience

Alan Blair: Gillian Boothroyd has left again when I start to speak

had prepared but some comments so inflamed colleagues about carbon neutrality; so will relay notes; if sitting in cars going; turf doesn't require fertilizers, doesn't have fumes as the Amb turf has

US Field Hockey Assn, selection process, int'l tournament, culmination of the massive machinery ...

primarily from BC; largest club plays WV, the largest club in NAm; proud of this? personally, my daughter in Gr 12; proud of this; personally trademarked WV-Field Hockey Central

leadership and legacy or little vision; wish to deny taxpayers a gift of $2M; other group wishes to give a gift of $2M including to those who oppose; support predominantly non-resident cricketers or hundreds and thousands; sit in automobiles longer than playing; sanity prevail; irresponsible to turn down $2M; players voters and donors; power to elect ... prepared to fund this base project

Mayor: wd ask that gallery respect all points of view; there's all points of views on Ccl as well

Tim Savage: Bby six months a year, and six months in or around HRPark

former hockey now cricket now, enjoyed sev facilities; cricket at HRPark since former garbage tip

my Scottish friend who raised costs, any devt shd consider envtal concerns, garbage tip being under that; Capilano River nearby, cd be leaching; if soil upset, expansion, foundation for lighting poles, this cd end up being an envtal concern for your city

gentleman who raised costs, cd well be right, cd be another $1M required since former garbage

garbage tip has sat there quietly for years, our grass fields we won't upset that; carefully consider that risk

cricket is the oldest sport in Vancouver; multicultural sport, jr and adult; first this evening Sr Sports, we have mbrs in 60s even 70s; have hosted many int'l, Cdn, regional,and District games at many levels

I support hockey as well, they've done a marvellous job, and the training they have, they might even think that grass improves; to astroturf more dextrous, have advantage

we ask you that you vote no; say to ratepayers of Vanc, you need to be v careful

Mayor: Merv Peters? Ron Collins? will come back to Merv Peters. Stuart McNeil?

Ron Collins: resident of WV for 38 years, mbr of WV Cricket Club, first played 40 years ago at Amb Park before we got moved to HR; also past prez of WV Youth soccer assn, also resident of WV

Many who have played hockey have also played cricket; my chn played hockey, soccer, cricket; enjoy all found hockey short-lived thing and didn't stay long

main concerns threefold: lateness of report -- posted on website on Friday so gave groups Sat and Sun; not in my ofc today so not able to download and print report; my second concern far far more serious -- the safety aspect; been a devpr in WV for many years.  Recall doing devt called Bonnie Bay Place behind Gleneagles Golf Course off of Blink Bonnie Rd.  This cul de sac had to be 40 ft wide to meet WV bylaw requirements, today bylaws changed now roads narrow, cushioning effect to stop driving too fast.  If the 2000 ppl, the 1000 families, that go to park, WV only one way down, three streets and only barely meet the Fire Dept and code; Mathers, Third, Hadden all 20ft wide, measured them all yesterday with my laser; what's going to happen when some kids get killed? all coming to pick up kids? what happens when dark? who's going to be responsible if a baby gets killed; I don't want to be responsible that's why I don't support this

Stuart McNeil: live in WV; wrt green issue, our players are really good b/c we ship them to other places, we leave WV; we're the largest assn in NAm and we leave our cmnty

another sport where the majority of players aren't from our cmnty come into our cmnty

re turf read some of the concerns, lights, turf; got me concerned; two daughters play field hockey; checking on internet and also found heavy concentration of heavy metal, started off in turf put in 60 years ago, lead, zinc, around a company called Astroturf and company gone bankrupt; majority of turf that goes in now polyethylene and polypropylene, exact same things make food containers, we eat out of

50 times less than chn's toys; article just brought in today from USA today; claim according to all the... no health benefits; doesn't eliminate all risk but far-fetched

consider thousands benefit vs few WV cricketers; if it does go ahead; I feel for the lady with the carriage, put speed limits in, that wd be really good

Carl Mark: two daughters 14 and 16, play field year round; I'm active in coaching

I've held group discussions with both parents of groups I coach U14, U16, represent 32 WV families

I represent $250K in WV property taxes; nbrs talked to others; 100% revolved around sense of cmnty; our nbrs like seeing kids play at home; believe builds sense of cmnty, ensures ppl want to live here; these families reached out, nbrhd network 128 families, represent $1M in WV property taxes; see how grow, 75% participated in fundraising in past couple of years

one of many emotions, frustration v upset seems to be a slap in the face to our taxpaying dollars; if majority of cricketers don't pay taxes here; we have a big problem with priorities -- we live here, shd play here.

next anger: we're angry our voice and our tax dollars are seemingly being ignored in favour of small selfish interest groups who are looking for personal gains vs greater benefit for the entire WV cmnty.

[shouts from gallery at this]

We feel we are being bullied to a detrimental situation where we will lose

[more shouts]

Mayor: Mr Chen, I'm going to call a recess for a few minutes

[even more shouts]

Mayor: excuse me, Mr Chen

C Mark: where we will lose, we are being bullied--

Mayor:  Mr Chen, I'm going to call a recess for a few minutes, b/c that is not right, and you might as well, unless we can just calm down

Ccl, let's just a few minutes--

[from audience: Control your mtg]

Mayor: exactly what I'm doing

C Mark: want to start by saying my intention was to make the point about will of the taxpaying majority and their desire to build a cmnty for family and kids, b/c that's the foundation of what a cmnty is all about, so the sustainabiity of WV as the most desired cmnty to live in will continue for generations to come

I do want to stress that the nature of the will of taxpaying majority to maintain for families and chn

MaryAnn Booth: Chair of WV Bd of Education; thank you and Cclr V bringing this to our attention

support; won't repeat contents of my letter; support our athletes, sport assns; link between sports and ... influence factors impact unequivocal; all cmnty partners support of youth and resp to support

hope other issues can be resolved

Colin Miller: WV, VPrez of WV Soccer Club; appear to day to put forth support of club

read about safety of artif turf; our players play on that; in NJ they examined [X?] and closed down two

one surrounded by an abandoned complex that contained a recycling; came from polluting nbr

brought forward a lot of info re turf fields and safety

Dr Michael Johns asked to examine this re Bainbridge WA; paper analyzing literature; will provide a copy to clerk at conclusion

at Amb, tire crumbs form basis keeps grass standing upright; in strong acids at high temperatures releases ... ; leaching, did find some metallic, do leach out over time

aren't a lot of studies; most come to conclusion shd look at it more

French study, while contaminate in leachate, still within allowable drinking standards

studies on effects on younger players playing ...  much more field use than ours use; through skin or if you ate some of the tire crumbs; minimal, not a safety concern

Pat Jackson: didn't think I'd be speaking; I'm one of the small ... nbrs, not opposed to devt of HRPark, basically we wanted some straight answers abut traffic; expansion will attract ppl

at present only way in and out streets, through traffic ...

nine months ago I asked a question and to date not received the courtesy of a response

how are you going to get them in and out of area by a network of nbrhd streets?

Pat MacLeod: Dir/Prez of HRPark Society

we're talking about just one field; and traffic is approx 30 vehicles per hour, Sept to Mar, wch is well below current peak usage; peak usage now occurs in spring, with ... and mini soccer ... double

Bunt study measured ..... that's where figures of 200 vehicles per hour and ...

Rod Hasp: wonderful view of the new intersection on its way to Whistler from my window

I'm a ship's captain, more recently of cruise ships; probably been to more places in the world than many ppl here

all my kids grew up here, lived here over 20 years, and I drove them to figure skating b/c there were no figure-skating clubs in WV, drove them to Langley and Abbotsford and everywhere else, and drove sons for/to the same things

for 18 years with Ian Baggott and his predecessors tried to purport {?} new facilities for hockey as well; I'm a cricketer by the way, Prez of the WV Cricket Club for many years, Prez of the Mainland Cricket Club for many years, or League for many years; and it was not up until two years ago they had our total and absolute and unequivocal support for furthering field hockey

ten years ago the fields were kind of dropped off b/c of the grass issue, and we've got to come to some sort of solution, but as a taxpayer and as a resident of WV, I really have some issues I want to raise

so sad come to this, this stage; shd be working as we've done for 20 years instead of coming here throwing mud at the wall; have a real problem paying 1$.5M let alone $1M Mr PIke is proposing, and the replacement of the turf, and the disposal of the old turf, potential of leakage, seepage, water costs of the grounds, all the other things we have yet to discuss

saddened in two ways; one, as Mr Soprovich says, we don't do things that way in WV, I don't believe that this Ccl and Mr Pike in particular have been transparent in this process; too much info going out before it's public to certain parties.  I think that's absolutely disgraceful.  I want to be on the record for that.  I do however beg you to table this motion and allow the groups to come back together again with transparent and truthful input from the officers involved and let us find a solution so that the kids in WV, and the kids of the North Shore, b/c the clubhouse we're proposing is not all WV, it's a North Shore field hockey, so let's come together, let's solve, without rejecting the best cricket field in Canada, without stopping field hockey; let's come up with a solution, I'm v much prepared to getting heavily involved if that's our objective

Alex Buehler: my son plays field hockey and I live there; shot by two groups!

artif turf expensive; have to maximize; casual play not allowed; scheduled game by...

not a resident, not even my son, allowed to play at any other time' we need more playing fields in WV' driving to ...  don't want my son to be doing that when he grows up

Hugo Ray only ..... where two fields side by side but one field, so that's a change

asked my son, he's the expert, cancer survivor

Joe Richards: prez of Cricket Club, NV; having just read report from staff wed like to make a couple of comments; been characterized as regional or metro-based; equates us with field hockey; regional and not just a local benefit for WV ... quoting Mr Pike

We've been minimalized in this report

one, five league teams; nature of our game; ability to accommodate; 1700 mbrs in Lower Mainland

when section 3.3 , we're characterized as a possible detriment to the cmnty

can't see... time available; good use; don't block when we don't use them...

last year teaming; this year a dearth; where has this jr prog gone?

....Priv-Park, no wonder ...

Parks is out to create as many artif as possible and sacrifice grass fields in pursuit of this goal

have have given an option, field 5, cricket fields remain intact; artif turf, just do not want to see it where they propose it, one artif field makes two grass fields unusable

Curt Shepard: field hockey dad; followed my daughter going through the prog, many of the ppl here have coached her, her time v grateful for that; opps wd not have had otherwise

pick of 615 out of 900, field hockey tipping point

not just about scholarships, choices, ... not an easy game, not for the faint of heart; fortunate to go to Orlando FL in Feb...

dominant club; 50 ... one goal against us; v professional, v calm; just amazing to watch; v proud to be a Cdn and proud to be from the NSh

field v imp; saw the level of competition; we're like an ice hockey team playing on a pond

this is a failing to fill a ... for our kids

played .....  neat to see little kids watching their moms play

David Guthroe: WV, far from the fray; my daughter plays the viola, so wd not like to speak on part of X or Y

paranoid not... take a neutral path

criteria for Ccl when they vote whether to

give ev what they wanted magic wand... that being said, that wand hasn't suffered from overuse

hope your decision highest and best interest of

want my eight-year-old to grow up....  heathy lifestyle....establish activity; negs cost, distance to travel... difficult to find; impossible; financial resources; hope acts in overall best interests in ...; to greatest; those chosen not to .... but to earn it; longterm, ......  it's a cmnty issue

Michelle Riley: Hadden Dr; we're losing the fact that if there's no artif turf put in that field is still there and accessible for chn; concerned about vision, although they say only a one-field project, Kevin Pike has put forth his vision; still is a vision of a ctr of excellence, not looking for kids anymore but for athletes, and that is not approp for our nbrhd

I respect that chn have to travel to other ..... and ... [for us] this is a lifelong burden, this is ev day, ... I have a small daughter, promote sports; I am afraid to walk my daughter down the streets

exclusive use of nbrhd; sport co-existed peacefully for 35 years; does this in the face of heated atmosphere; Field Hockey has engineered a hostile takeover of the HRPS; claim to fundraise in its name

Mr Pike's recommendation to proceed .. is a concept plan, in this circumstances to enter into a quagmire of protracted conflict among stakeholders and the District

Mr Riley?:  As is usual in my family I'll be much more terse than my wife

I played soccer all the way to uni level; upset what they want to do, Mathers and Hadden can't handle it; lots of teams coming in, roads will not be able to handle it

more interested in standards and beyond local rec standards

reducing sedentary lifestyles, agree with that too, bar automobiles from Mathers, bike trail

good solution

Mayor: mtg to continue beyond ten

CARRIED

Sandra: four chn; in 80s thriving field; have a base and have a heart; hockey has moved on; ...

sad, myopic, and pedantic; most ppl in this room, have a stake, have chn

easy to mow down bldgs to build a strip mall; this whole project is about keeping our kids in this cmnty

I'm not a coach, or administrator; thank ev mbr that is

I've lived in England and played in Holland; doing an amazing job with little support... playing on a dinosaur of a field; listen to cricketers; includes

Montessori, is a quiet cmnty; lost sight of, reduce traffic, one big field, traffic flow actually less, hope they'll read through reports, not speakers speaking on a personal level

look at the ... chn not here in hundreds, in bed

chn not here b/c they have to leave go to other cmnties, have to move to Surrey, UBC,... we're losing the heart and soul of our cmnty; in no way detrimental to any of the ppl speaking here tonight

Jeff Houghton: live in WV

one that hasn't had...  top level, play for....   prospect for nat'l team; beat Argentina, go to Beijing

have to play on water-based.....

played ......   our team pretty well sucked, had to change our plays b/c of turf

also went to Holland, won ev single game except one

six out of ten players from WV

I'm from WV, I work eight hrs a day...   three days when in school ...practise most at UBC, 6 to 10 eating my dinner at 11:45pm and going to bed at midnight; not good for an athlete

we require a full field to practise, 15 to 20 cars, players, balls, equipment

facilities, in California, tons of ... going to Pan Ams in October, how compete with these teams with fields in their backyards....

Mayor: Mr Pike, wd you like to introduce this?

KP: this issue has been before the cmnty for 20 years, hear from audience three days decades, now back again

encouraged to work with partners; find ways to raise dollars that don't come from taxpayer; to make most effective and efficient use of parkland; and that's why we're here

shdn't come as a surprise as Dir of Parks, supporting children and chn's sport ...

suggesting supporting one hockey sports field b/c that's all they can afford

been v clear, not proceed unless club is going to come back for second field

report also talks about what M can reasonably afford and what an be done to ameliorate nbrs, some problems, not all; recommending planning be done so very clear wrt costs

come back with funds and for $1.5M to traffic take out of park

Field Hockey is willing to pay for design, and in 2008 for traffic and parking and wd like consideration that they be reimbursed b/c money was raised for the field; despite of what we've heard, relatively straightforward

JF: been asked by CAO to propose a couple of amendments to point 4

before he does; I've been really disappointed by [comments about] our Dir of Parks alleging lack of integrity; I've known him for a long time, on Sch Bd before on Ccl, know him to be a man of great integrity; I take offence at suggestion that that is not the case

if Mr McRadu cd explain to me the rationale behind the two amendments that I'm going to propose, I will then make the motion.

CAO: we've received today a letter from the HRPS that they're prepared to give up front $100K toward the design of the facilities, however what they have asked is that in recom no 4, that if for any reason, Ccl chooses not to proceed the project after they receive the cost estimates, that they be refunded $50K of the $100K, and if the project proceeds to construction, $50K be credited to the capital construction of the field, amended to four, so may be suggested deal with all five or first recom.... lead to second, third, and fourth to be amended.

Mayor: my suggestion to Cclr F is to move part 1, fundamental, then

JF: therefore recommend:

1.   Approval be given, subject to the receipt of adequate funds from the Hugo Ray Park Society, for the installation in 2009 of artificial turf and lighting designed for the sport of Field Hockey, on the existing Field #2 I don't want to restate all of the comments this evening; a proposal been in the air in the Park and nbrhd for many years; all want to support youth of our cmnty

take resp for our young ppl, obligation, and we hav been neglecting, they have to drive to other cmnties funded by other taxpayers; assume some resp for our...

not beyond the ability.... for both cricket, field hockey, and nbrhd, not in six months

incredible this group has fundraised $2M, something soccer wasn't able to do for Amb; imp for whole cmnty that we support

VV: a difficult problem; not happy to be in a position to pick a side, someone to win and someone lose

I like to be in problem-solving; what's important to us

residents, their quality of life ....

our [OCP?] .... describes HRPark as a cmnty park, always on basis as shared

the biggest change I see in going from grass fields to artif turf, not in Mr PIke's report, it's going from shared to exclusive

told about Holland, problem is we're a mtnside going into the ocean....

I'm not prepared to pick a winner or loser and that means a diff tack from no 1 here

compromise

go back to where we were before, go back to field 5, know they've only got $2M it it will cost $4M

.... cemetery

discord, the MRIF grant cdn't get.... when you step off the playing field

my honest wisdom

the original alliance between field hockey, cricket, residents, pls can we go back and have that $2M  .... cricket stays, add'l field, 5 and add'l ....

better than 2 and being held up by court cases

cd be lit; instead, access out through the Keith Rd route, it physically exists, blocked by boulders we, M, put there

that little diagram, nobody's house; ppl go, doors close bang bang...  but that little parking lot below field 5 not near anyone's house... down just going along

10pm game finishes 20 cars; no vehicular access to Hwy, Third Street, and Park

wd go across -- wd be status quo

it's the best I can think of, cd go forward without much delay

also; cd hold this up; everybody has to get together again; I'm willing to speak to our MLAs

one in location acceptable to nbrs, no objection from cricketers' ctr of excellence at another location, Upper Lands

.... they used to play as chn, now their chn play; with a longer term view, a new .... not

$150M prog for renewed amenities

can it go on a flat roof where they play ice hockey below?

will not support No 1 unless changed 2 to 5, move boulders and then we won't need $?M

I've given it my best

MS: I read Mr Pike's report, thought thorough, locate somewhere else and there are four fields at Hugo Ray Park that have outlived their usefulness; good thing youth play sports b/c the .... have all

do support, do think they address; address problems when they come up

process

if ppl asked me, unless about personal ...., wd give it, all other mbrs of Ccl wd

agree with Cclr F; staff take a lot of shots.... too much $.... too many muffins

expect outstanding performance

we certainly don't question motives of staff; no one gets unanimity, know they act in best interests of cmnty; shd get behind this project and give it our whole support

Sop: quite taken with pride ppl speaking about sports; fathers and mothers v proud of their offspring wrt two ....   these accomplishments of pride of existing fields

{groans}

Sop: wd like my time, after months; if in fact existing fields were there and you excelled, that playing field allowed you ... now deja vu; Ambleside, on Rec Sports Planning Group, under RFMP

field is burned out, run by staff and sports enthusiasts thought that wd be the home of soccer, wd try to find baseball somewhere in area, and that HRPark home for Cricket and Field Hockey

disappointing two groups, deteriorate in short period of time; think we're better than that

have attended that field with my eight-year-old and grandchn; family-oriented a good thing

up on weekend, huge beautiful area; going to bring best of best for their chn

$1M here or there; have to be fiscally responsible; ability to raise $2M; stated in 2006 said we wd allow

in spite of all changes, did meet certain demand.....

kind of torn; why can't field hockey and cricket look at this picture for their own; both been there for 40 yrs; pitting one against other, what does that say to our kids

I've read hundreds of letters, some form, but read them all; I have difficulty; I'm going to support the motion to move forward

Mayor: been a v difficult period for two years; thank Corinne Ambor, Brent Dozzi, and Kevin Pike

believe all worked in good faith

WV Cmnty Fdn -- received threats, Min of Cmnty Services enthused, based on 'to try'; a genuine effort to try in this nbrhd

true the traffic has been neglected for years; this opp seems to be ideal to deal with these issues

to be clear and to be clear with intent; since 1990 wanted one artif turf; shd be clear

may not be a comfort to some; shd be looking to next century; field hockey thrive, cricket --- within cricket was in conflict

I don't think any doors have closed; have to recog things are going to change, have to operate with partners; based on that

didn't have a pool ozonated, Gleneagles, ... going in the right direction; my hope make a decision tonight

grandiose schemes ....  leave this open to all to work together

JF moved: 2.   Approval be given to staff, working with the Society and utilizing Society funds, to proceed with the design, scheduling and cost estimating for the lighted field, the parking infrastructure in the park and the frontage road egress adjacent to Highway #1.

CARRIED

here's where amendment comes in: if Ccl decides not to continue with construction of the field, will reimburse Society $50K; if proceeds, credited to capital construction of the field

CARRIES

CARRIED

Man: Cmnty park--

Mayor: Ccl, shall we continue to work through agenda?

Sop: move adjournment, Madam Mayor

MS: it's 11 o'clock at night

Mayor: Still in our ccl mtg, sorry.  Ccl continue: I know ppl in the audience here for items 7 and 8.  if we cd make it quick cd we proceed?

Sop: just 7 & 8?

Mayor: there are other citizens here involved those initiatives, and I think it's pretty straightforward reports.  All right?

We're going to move to Item 7 on our Cmnty Heritage Register; we have PQP at the end of the ccl mtg; we're continuing with our ccl biz.  Item 7.

[More ppl speaking]

Excuse me, you're out of order

[Man: the Hugo Ray Park Society does not represent the users of that park, doesn't represent the cmnty, and we heard tonight .... was a cmnty park when--]

Mayor: you are out of order, Sir, and I ask you to be cease

[He continues: Everybody in the cmnty will be affected ... to represent--]

Mayor: thank you, Mr Mikicich

[finishes: for a one Society group, lopsided, one-sided]

Mayor: we wd like to move really quickly or we cd defer, I'll leave it up to you

SMik: We have some speakers

Mayor: I realize that and that's why I'm prepared to continue; b/c waited all evening

SMik: before making any presentations, entertaining questions

Mayor : defer? or speakers? have seven in deference, b/c you've waited all night; is Mr Merrick here as well?

SMik: yes, he is

Mayor: all right; out of deference to Mr Merrick's waiting, I think we shd continue with item no 7

SMik:  and Tom, saying a few words

Tom Wardell, Chair of HWG: pleased; in light of hour, will make it short

Thank you, Madam Mayor.  On behalf of the Heritage Working Group, I am pleased to be here tonight to present the completed work on the community heritage register, for Council's consideration.

On May 12th, Hal Kalman, Stephen Mikicich, and I walked Council through the planning and consultation process, and outlined what would be coming forward this evening.

The products of our collaborative efforts are presented in the report by Commonwealth.  These products include:

o       a heritage context statement for West Vancouver;

o       a thematic framework for understanding our diverse heritage resources;
o       selection criteria for additions to the register;
o       a list of 171 nominated historic places; and

o       approximately 30 statements of significance, which have been prepared through a combination of working group, community, staff, and consultant efforts.

I would like to thank our project team, including:

o       my colleagues on the Heritage WG:  Aline Brown, Lori Cameron, Carol Howie, Patricia Jarvis, Ian MacDonald, and Carolanne Reynolds

o       Councillor Vivian Vaughan, our council liaison

o       Hal Kalman, Meg Stanley, George Martin, and Maria Cruz at Commonwealth

o       District staff

I will now turn it over to Stephen Mikicich

Madam Mayor, as Hal Kalman noted, on May 12th, the list of 171 nominations to the register (Appendix B) was drawn from:

o       a review of Primary and Secondary buildings in our existing heritage inventories;

o       a sampling of resources from our landscape inventory; and

o       further nominations from the public

The nominations have all been reviewed against the selection criteria, and are considered worthy for inclusion on the community heritage register.

Council has the option of adding all 171 nominated resources to the register at this time, as property owner 'permission' is not required under the Local Government Act (i.e., 'listing' not 'designating') however, staff believe that further consultation is needed, to fully inform property owners about the register, and what the potential benefits are particularly in light of common misconceptions, and concerns that have been expressed to date.  This is an important step in building owner awareness and acceptance of the register as a heritage conservation tool.  Staff are recommending that:

1. the selection criteria (Appendix A) be adopted as the basis for considering future additions to the register;

2. that the list of 171 nominations (Appendix B) be received for information;

3. that an initial list of 33 nominated resources (Appendix C) be considered for adoption at this time; and

4. that staff consult with property owners before reporting back to council with further recommendations in the fall

The initial list includes a number of publicly-owned properties, and private homes where owners have expressed their support.  Staff have also been approached by a number of property owners who would like to proceed with heritage conservation projects.  In order to do so, they are looking to the District for guidance and leadership in working with the heritage tools that are currently available to local government.  I believe that some of these property owners are here this evening.  Tom Wardell and I would be pleased to answer any questions regarding the material before you. Thank you [end of text]

SMik continued: I wanted to lead off with that; know we have some speakers tonight who wd like to speak to the Register and germanely to those matters; end of my presentation and will answer any questions

Mayor: out of respect to the mbrs of the cmnty who are still here, wd like to ask speakers to come forward

Lorne Rubinoff: not used to speaking to ppl, I'm used to being in dialogue so this is relatively new to me; thought about I wanted to say; based on experience in my life -- at one point of my life, was one of the owners of Caper's

I remember the day American company wanted to buy us, I was the only one of the owners who said no, I don't want to; and we heard the words it wd be better, better for cmnty, better prices

My partner said yeah it will be, and we sold it to a good company called Wild Oats.

Mayor: can we talk about the heritage aspect b/c it's so late?

LR: how this is germane is, Caper's was eventually closed by Whole Foods about three months ago.  The cmnty lost something, lots of ppl have approached me, of huge significance never to be returned; how that applies to this present situation, what we're looking at, this is a cmnty that has a magical quality to it; some ppl will look at and immediately be able to explain, some will just feel it.

I have travelled extensively in NAm, and others have done the same; everybody always comes back here, and says, my God I don't even know why I travelled, this is the best: this is the best cmnty, in the best city, and we now have an opp to look at one of the reasons why, the reasons this is an amazing cmnty, and one of the reasons is there's a feeling of the magical aspects of roots of this cmnty, why it existed in first place, why it grew, and why exists

Caper's was taken away; if we don't preserve this aspect of our cmnty, it will be taken away; what will replace it is something like Whole Foods, wch is good, it's a good company, but it's not magical

Paul Merrick: I practise architecture in Lower Mainland and V Island

good fortune to be born in and grow up in WV, and live in WV for 60 years and so have some interest in the nature of the place

I thought I wd take the trouble to come and address your initiative tonight

v important to the M, and it's an important endeavour you're pursuing, and I'd like to applaud you for having undertaken it and asked staff for help already invested in moving this along

first observation is WV is really a v young place, the whole of the Pacific NorthWest is

it's only as old as three generations in any of our lifetimes; my grandfather who came here early in the century b/c he was the engineer on the ferry that brought ppl here, and I have a perspective that goes back as far as that

in our collective youth as a culture and as a society, just beginning to learn to do things that other countries may have had eight or ten or 12 centuries of stewardship and time to administer to the qualities we go visit and love and admire, and wonder how to facilitate ourselves; there may variously and v well be an interest in facilitating this stewardship, it does take and I wd encourage you to entertain mechanisms that might be offered individuals to assist indivs and cmnty to sustain, repair, and improve a state of physical circumstances that you might like to see

The world we live in has become so valued and so appreciated and that is reflected in the dollar values that our homes bring about, that it's harder all the time b/c of that to maintain a situation that attaches and recognizes value other than the monetary aspect of this thing we call real estate.

Mayor: thank you, and thank for your contribution to architecture in WV

John Mawson: good evening, almost good morning; have spoken to you on a number of times in WV

my wife and I are restoring a heritage house on Nelson and 26th

one of the things that drew us to WV, sense of nbrhd, the character many of our nbrhds have

election three years ago was in large measure fought around nbrhds

not antidevt, more pro nbrhd

Ccl responded to mandate it was given, to engage in a number of processes to explore nbrhd issues

nbrhd character, built form, density, how to keep seniors and families, and of course heritage, about wch we're here tonight

incredible diverse cmnty, staff input over past several years

echo earlier speaker, great deal to thank our staff mbrs for; love how ppl like Steve Mikicich maintain good humour in spite of workload

in the various consultation processes over the last few years, one of the themes has heritage structures and landscapes and how they anchor our nbrhds; two years ago Ccl endorsed this by the H Strategic Plan

have no doubt Ccl will adopt the Heritage Register; will open the gate to access some of the tools; wd like you to consider going one step further

although not in resolution before you maybe a verbal comment in support of this next step wd encourage homeowners to others to start to think of some of the demonstration projects

VV made motion:

Mayor: I have one question, it's about incentives, that naturally are going to go with this, and point raised.

SMik: Register creates an eligibility list; official recognition by Ccl that these are resources we value

to employ any of the conservation incentive tools, required a resource be listed on HR, so that's the connection

Mayor: will you come back with report of what types of tools this Ccl may be willing to support?

SMik: yes, I shall

CARRIED

Mayor: thank you for your work.

Mayor: Alex Tunner is here, he's on our CEC cmnty, he's done an awful lot of work doing the research for this report; I'd like to give him the opp to speak if he likes.  As well, Carolanne Reynolds from the CEC is here.

AT: perhaps a few comments, not lengthy; if you want to ask a few questions....;

the CEC has been working to facilitate, assist, to get this whole system of WGs working

largely spearheaded with the citizens on the CEC

we've done an extensive review of process; spoken to all of the cclrs, staff liaisons, chairs; report substantially based on that; annual review will be on the website shortly

this was just Year One but a remarkable amt has been achieved

from cclrs, staff, and citizens; from feedback we have already received we have made amendments to the guidelines; clarify, address concerns; make refinements

elaborated WG process, pages 3 and 4, and added a chart to show process; annual review will be posted shortly; happy to answer any questions that you may have

VV: been unable to discover the diff, as it is now, between a WG and a Select Cmte of Ccl

when WGs began; in Feb 2007, said particularly Cmnty Charter requirements regarding cmtes do not apply to WGs as they are not appointed by Ccl

as I recollected our debates at time, if valid or not, b/c if the whole point of the WG escapes the provisions of the Cmnty Charter, then we've gone around in a bit whole bureaucratic circle to the document this evening wch says, mtgs shall be conducted in accordance with general ccl cmte policy, the ccl procedure bylaw, and the Cmnty Charter .

So I'm left with the question, that other than the M Clerk who provides notification to the public, agendas and minutes, but rather done by other staff, can't find any other distinction between a Select Cmte of Ccl and a WG. Have I missed something? is there another difference?

AT: speaking for the citizens who came on board in April of last year so weren't privy to discussions that took place previously

impression we have is that Ccl and Admin in its wisdom, supported by District's Ccl, determined shd be something like a WG; so if you like, this was the solution arrived at by ppl who are wiser than we are

how to cross Burrard Inlet if you like, and this is the particular bridge that they chose, and so it's our job to make sure that this bridge is working;

and I think some of us did--

Mayor: --Mr Tunner, this is not, ah, while we have a ccl mtg; we app your input and the tremendous amt of work you've done to get us to the report

I think it's late; if Cclr V has a question then we can refer to our staff, and Ccl can debate this, but what I'd like to suggest, I didn't want to miss your presentation of the report, Ccl, we can either

deal with this tonight or refer to future agenda

Sop: defer; a lot of work has gone into both of these reports; examine what's taken place with these study groups

Mayor: date?

SSch: July 7

Mayor: July 7 then?

CARRIED

RECOMMENDED: THAT Council approve the proposed statutory right of way and authorize execution by the Mayor and Clerk. -- WITHDRAWN

MS: discussion at second reading

VV: address residents there affecting properties; OCP; hoped better presentation, issue of much larger school; takes a little more time than we can cope with; defer to same date as Item 8

Mayor: this is purely about a parking lot

MS: ask applicant if time sensitive

Michael Rosen: yes, it is, Madam Mayor

VV: concerned we address; residents concerned but they're not here this evening; addressed by OCP than holding up parking lot; didn't wish to vote against this; but hoped better; future aspirations of a much larger school

Mayor: question before us is purely about the parking lot; back subsequent

SECOND READING CARRIES and so does third

Motion to adjourn at 11:08

THAT Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004, Amendment Bylaw  No. 4543, 2008, as attached to the report from the Director, Planning, Lands and Permits dated June 5, 2008 be introduced and read a first time in short form.

THAT Official Community Plan Amendment Bylaw... be presented at a Public Hearing to be held Monday, July 7 at 7pm in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.

* ZIMBABWE -- inflation about 160,000% but some say closer to 1,000,000%.

* GAZA -- good news of rumours of a ceasefire (in recent months killed: 600 Palestinians; 1 Israeli).

* COLOMBIA -- (from CPT): Pray for those displaced by the continuing armed conflict in Colombia. Up to 4 million have fled their homes, comparable to the levels of displacement in Iraq and Sudan.

***  'A Romance on Three Legs' by KATIE HAFNER; reviewed by Emma Brockes                        [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/books/review/Brockes-t.html?8bu&emc=bua2]

A biography of Glenn Gould, his tuner and the piano they both cared for.  Loved the quotation:

        by ELIZABETH ROYTE; reviewed by Lisa Margonelli        

Royte asks why Americans spend billions on bottled water when they can guzzle tap water for next to nothing.

{Cdns except for Tom Fox.} For other information about the book, including cover material and excerpts, see http://www.118days.org.  CPT deploys teams to advocate for peace in conflict zones around the world, including Colombia, Palestine, Iraq, and Indigenous communities in North America.  Contact: Tim Nafziger: timn@cpt.org, 773-277-0253, or cell 312-505-7461

As soon as I heard that Rawi Hage (Lebanese Cdn) had just been awarded the $150K literary prize (G and I read the book a while ago; see WVM2007-01), I googled:

= Anansi.ca: titles -- See: http://www.anansi.ca/titles.cfm?pub_id=593

{Your Editor's Note: Rather puzzling that quotation is associated with Camus (who died about 1960 in a car accident) in this review, when he's really agreeing with Shakespeare ~400 years ago through Hamlet: "To be or not to be, that is the question."  Indeed, we have that choice every moment.  It is, however, easier to answer than 'how' we want to be.}

+  Bees Learn New Languages Easily:

+  Poetry as Punishment:

+  Congress Debates Merits Of New Catchphrase:

If names are not correct, language will not be in accordance with the truth of things.

                        -- Confucius/K'ung-fu-tzu/Kongfuzi (551 - 479 BC)

In words are seen the state of mind and character and disposition of the speaker.

                        -- Plutarch, biographer and philosopher (circa 46 - 120)

                        -- Anatole France, novelist, essayist, Nobel laureate (1844 - 1924)

Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it [with]?

                        -- Clarence Darrow, American lawyer (1857 - 1938)

This is my living faith, an active faith, a faith of verbs: to question, explore, experiment, experience, walk, run, dance, play, eat, love, learn, dare, taste, touch, smell, listen, argue, speak, write, read, draw, provoke, emote, scream, sin, repent, cry, kneel, pray, bow, rise, stand, look, laugh, cajole, create, confront, confound, walk back, walk forward, circle, hide, and seek. To seek: to embrace the questions, be wary of answers.

                        -- Terry Tempest Williams, naturalist and author (b. 1955)

The only nice thing about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.

                        -- Doug Larson, English racer (1902 - 1981)

Mae West (1893 - 1980):  I speak two languages, Body and English.

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        Yours thoughtfully,
             Carolanne Reynolds * Editor, West Van Matters; t 926 8649, f 484 5992; www.westvan.org