Ccl NOTES June 9
AGENDAs June 16
Calendar to June 30/~July

by Carolanne Reynolds, Editor

Summer isn't even entering on tippy-toes.........
        however both Pam and Vivian have jumped into the race for Mayor in November.....
MAIN ITEMS June 16th: special ccl mtg at 6:45 to rescind the previous Amb Town Ctr resolutions of Ccl, then to introduce the bylaw and to set the Public Hearing for July 7; Annual Report 2007 (and budget bylaws such as Endowment Reserve Fund Expenditure, Youth Activity Fund); Cmnty Ctr Quarterly Update; Former firehall (6500 Marine) site to be zoned as three sgl-fam lots instead of multi-family; Special ccl mtg 9am June 18 Wed (changed to Thurs June 19) 
Vive le Canada (Apology; Polish Cmnty); ANIMALWATCH (frog vs insect); from the EDITOR'S DESK (Hugo Ray Park; Power; Heritage); UPDATES (VANOC; WVPD nab suspect; Plastic Bags, 2008 BC Heritage Awards)
=  CALENDAR to June 30th (check for changes and updates), and beginning of July
=  Ccl NOTES June 9th: Amb Town Ctr PH changed to July 7; Hugo Ray Park (for over three hours); gorgeous Heritage Register Report (+ comments); CEC Status Report (intro then deferred); 11:08 Adjournment!
=  Ccl AGENDA June 16th
=  NEWSWATCH (Zimbabwe; Gaza; Colombia); GARDENWATCH (HRH); THEATREWATCH (King Lear at Bard; Othello on CBC); BOOKWATCH (Glenn Gould; Bottlemania; Cdn CPTers; Award for De Niro's Game); LANGUAGE (Bees; Poetry Punishment; New Word; Bushese); Report Card Comments; Quotations/Question

=== Vive le Canada ===
>  June 11, 2008  /  Ottawa, Ontario
Prime Minister Harper offers full apology on behalf of Canadians for the Indian Residential Schools system.  See full text on the PM's website: http://www.pm.gc.ca/eng/media.asp?id=2149
>  June 10, 2008 / Ottawa, Ontario
2008 marks the 150th anniversary of the first Polish settlement in Canada in the Kaszuby region west of Ottawa, the 100th anniversary of the birth of the thriving Polish community in Windsor, and the 75th anniversary of the Canadian Polish Congress, the national voice of Canadians of Polish descent.
"These anniversaries remind us how much Polish Canadians -- more than 800,000 strong today -- have done to build our great country," Prime Minister Harper said. "Polish Canadians have made their mark in every walk of Canadian life."

=== ANIMALWATCH === Frog vs insect:  http://www.truveo.com/Frog-owned-by-insects/id/1997509223

.... from the EDITOR'S DESK
*** BUSY -- six cmtes/events on Tues June 24th! (See Calendar below)
Over three hours of the June 9th ccl mtg (see Notes below).  Hugo Ray devt/fields still a hot topic.  Last issue I put in the DWV website's information.  You will have seen letters in Outlook and NSNews with the residents' views.
***  Staff vs Ccl authority/power
Worrisome re height overage/variance staff led builder to believe wd be approved so he continued.  Hope to follow this up.  As you see in the ccl mtg notes June 9 below, concern expressed by both Sop and VV.
***  HERITAGEWATCH below at end of Updates, and the Heritage Register item at end of June 9th Ccl Mtg Notes.
===   UPDATES   ===
> WV now an Olympic Venue!!!
> WVPD June 12  -- and they got their man!
An undercover operation by West Vancouver Police put a suspect in custody minutes after the latest in a series of commercial break and enters last night.
The WVPD Target Team, a specialized plainclothes unit, tracked a suspect ... in the Park Royal Area.
While plastic bags are only about 1% of the landfill, indeed that's part of the problem -- a recent TV program on CBC's Newsworld identified other dreadful effects, including removing 50 lbs of plastic bags from a turtle it had ingested.  It kills many creatures and clogs waterways.  More info:
Are Plastic Grocery Bags Sacking the Environment?
for National Geographic News. September 2, 2003. The "paper or plastic" conundrum that vexed earnest shoppers throughout the 1980s and 90s is largely moot ...
news.nationalgeographic.com/ news/2003/09/0902_030902_plasticbags.html - 29k - Cached - Similar pages
Always great to see before and after.  The list is below under HERITAGEWATCH.  Many of you will have seen the rusty Britannia Mines with broken windows.  If you've been there recently you'll see it's white and restored -- there was a gasp in the room when the 'after' slide came up.  A couple of months ago we went to a concert there (Canadian, classical music).  And the exciting news is that "The Men of the Deeps" are scheduled to sing there in August!
One of the highlights of the annual Heritage Society of BC conference (this year in Langley) is the awards.  Seeing what others cmnties have done is truly inspiring.
From the HSBC website:
Heritage BC presented several awards that recognized excellence in heritage conservation at the society's annual conference in Langley City on June 6, 2008. The annual awards ceremony celebrated the achievements of individuals, organizations, and businesses.
Outstanding Achievement Awards, the highest level of recognition, were presented to:
Eric Pattison Architect and the Salvation Army, for the B.C. Electric Railway Depot Project, New Westminster
The Delta Heritage Advisory Commission, for the Delta Heritage Passport
Awards of Honour were presented to:
The City of Terrace, for the Rehabilitation of the Kwinitsa Foreman's Residence
The BC Museum of Mining at Britannia Beach, for the Rehabilitation of Concentrator No. 3
Stantec Architecture and Pastoral Developments Ltd., for the Monaco Project, Victoria
The Ladysmith Maritime Society for the Ladysmith Maritime Museum
Second Street Community School, Burnaby, for the "Roots in the Community" Heritage Banners Project
The Ruby Nobbs Award, for exceptional volunteer dedication, was presented to Pixie McGeachie, Burnaby
For more, see: http://www.islandnet.com/~hsbc/Awards%202008.htm

===  CALENDAR to June 30th  === [at Hall unless otherwise noted; pls confirm to make sure no changes]
Remember the Farmers' Markets: Dundarave on Saturdays and Ambleside on Sundays.....
== Tues June 17th ==
~ 10am ~ Cmnty Grants/Social Services WG at Fulton House
~ 6:30pm ~ Cmnty Dialogue (Housing) WG
== Wed June 18th ==
        ~ 4:30pm ~ Finance Cmte Mtg (cancelled)
        ~ 7pm ~ Library Bd at Library and Bd of Variance at M Hall
== Thurs June 19th ==
        ~ 6pm ~ NSh Family Court/Youth Justice Cmte at DNV M Hall
        ~ 6:30pm ~ Child Care WG       
== Sat June 21st == ~ 6pm ~ WV Firefighters' Honour Guard "Pipes by the Sea" Pipe Band Festival
== Sun June 22nd == ~ 10am to noon ~ Ambleside Park -- Walk the World for Schizophrenia 
== Tues June 24th ==
        ~ 8am ~ Cmnty Sport WG
        ~ 4 - 6pm ~ Envmtal Strategy WG at Operations Ctr, Worksyard Conference Rm
        ~ 5:30pm ~ Measuring Up WG
        ~ 6:30pm ~ Cmnty Dialogue WG in Peters Rm, Library (tentative date but probable)
==  Wed June 25th ==  ~ 6:30pm ~ Cmnty Walk, Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr
== Thurs June 26th ==
        ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte -- CANCELLED
        ~ 5pm ~ NSACDI at DNV M Hall
        ~ 5:30pm ~ WV Police Bd mtg in Police Dept Second Floor Boardroom

***  CELEBRATE CANADA DAY July 1st Tues ~ 12 - 4pm ~ Events at Ambleside Park  ***
Info: http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=2940&c=815
Sat July 5:  ~ 10am - 2pm ~ Amb Park BC150 Tour vintage steam locomotive and more, see www.bc150.ca 
        ~ 7 - 9pm ~ Spirit Trail Open House at Srs' Ctr
Sun July 6:  ~ 9:30 - 4pm ~ Paddlefest on Ambleside Beach
Concerts by the Sea on Ambleside Landing start on Sunday every Sunday 7 - 10pm

+++  WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++ see www.westvanlib.org
Gallery at the Library presents...   June 2 to July 31
        Photographs: Recent work by Rob Will, Laura Clark, Michelle Demers, and Roman Kralovic.
+ Friday 20  2008 Mallet Masters Croquet Tournament
WV Memorial Library Foundation's annual event at Ambleside Greens. Join us and play for a day in support of the Library. Details: http://www.westvanlib.org/support/foundation/croquet.php 
2pm -- Ambleside Golf Course -- Join us and play for a day in support of the library.  This exclusive annual event is entering its 12th sold-out year - we look forward to seeing you there.
        *       Croquet tournament
        *       Hampton's White dress code
      *       Champagne reception
        *       Live music
        *       Putting contest, $25,000 Grand Prize
    *       White Glove dinner service catered by the Four Seasons Hotel
        *       Silent & live auctions
+ Friday 27
= Pine Leaf Boys - Free Friday Night Concert
Come out for this free Jazz Festival event! Doors open at 7, concert starts at 7:30pm.
= Philosopher's Cafe: Ageism
Are you only as old as you feel, and as wise as you have grown? What roles, rules and restrictions are there for the plus 50s and plus 65s in today's changing society? Open to all, admission $5. 10:30am - 12:30pm, Peter J. Peters Room.
= English Corner
Practise English conversation at the Library. Every Friday, from now until August 30. Location: Elizabeth Musto Room, 10:30am - noon.  For info call: Fariba Rocker, 604 506 6616.
+++  FERRY BUILDING GALLERY  +++  June 24 - July 27
MOVE OVER, LEONARDO !  --  John Martin Gilbert  --  Fine Art, Fine Fun
Kinetic sculptures, inventions, fountains, Expo 86 projects, TV ads, home-brew experiments, zany demo tapes, and even a naughty book!
OPENING RECEPTION: 6 - 8pm Tuesday June 24  //   Artist in Attendance 2 - 3pm Saturday June 28
 +++  WV MUSEUM +++  Visit: http://www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com/
Selwyn Pullan -- Position the New -- Photographs from 1945 -1975
This retrospective demonstrates the photographer's intimate connection to the development of modernism on the West Coast of Canada and highlights the social, economic, and cultural forces that changed the face of Vancouver and the region during the post-war boom.
Please join us for the opening reception -- Tuesday June 24 from 7 to 9pm
+++ SILK PURSE +++  (1570 Argyle) www.silkpurse.ca
+++ Don't forget to check out www.kaymeekcentre.com +++

=== CCL MTG NOTES June 9th === 
Mayor: two absent: Cclr Clark phoned in pain b/c of his back and Cclr Day is on holiday
[text of] Tribute to Former Mayor Pat Boname
Last Monday, June 2nd, our former Mayor Patricia Boname passed away.  The flags on all our municipal buildings will continue to fly at half mast.  A memorial service to honour Pat will be held this Friday, June 13th, at 2 pm at Christ Church Cathedral in Vancouver.  [See rest on DWV website: http://www.westvancouver.ca/article.asp?a=5733&c=855]
Many changes/additions including: Add'n to Item 4, removing ROW item 9, 13.1 add'n, 12 to 13.2; adding new item 13.3, rescission to ccl mtg schedule, Collingwood parking, adding to Correspondence list 10.1; item 4, Amb bylaw June 16 (change)
SSch: add'l 50 items of Correspondence rec'd
2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES  May 26 Regular Council Meeting; and May 28 Public Hearing/Public Meeting.
Mayor: we have three or four pages of speakers this evening; bell will ring at two minutes 45 seconds, please keep remarks to three minutes
Sop: passion; lots of email/contacts; nec to come if same point?
Mayor: if already heard, don't need to hear again, provide info haven't  heard
Sop: heard it loud and clear; don't mind ev getting up but if whole list and ev same thing; we get the msg
Mayor: rely on public to be judicious, make points succinctly; but first of all we have a delegation
        J. Birchall, British Columbia Senior Games, regarding British Columbia Senior Games
JBirchall: scheduled weeks ago but I had knee surgery; Senior Games are for those 55 and older; 26, 28 diff activities; this yr in Pr Geo; next in Richmond, then in Comox Valley
Games started in 1982, sorry, 1988 [slide up, charts].  Our zone is Zone 4, called Lower Mainland -- Pemberton to Tsawwassen.  This chart shows cities, participants.  Last year's medal winnings.
brochure, list of sports, and recreational such as bridge; cycling most difficult, and so is hockey
a lot of badminton players
for 55 and over, a lot of interest; last year I won three gold medals (I play badminton); have someone from Pemberton won 11 gold medals last year, and he was 92
ask Ccl if somehow cd get the word out, wd appreciate; went round to churches, mosques, halls, and ppl didn't know about these games; wd appreciate that; other two Ms on NShore, a proclamation of Seniors' Week during Sr Games; new field for me but quite willing to get out and talk; once ppl get out they keep going, keeps them out of the hospital
JF: staff get notice out in Tidings, facilities
JB: if I can have my medal back! -- want to show you our jacket -- we have t-shirts and hats
4.         Proposed Ambleside Bylaw - Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004, Amendment Bylaw No. 4543, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4543)
        Information to be provided on June 6, 2008. -- DEFERRED TO NEXT MONDAY
5.         Development Variance Permit Application No. 08-008 (2590 Chippendale Road)
At the May 26, 2008 meeting, Council received the report dated April 10, 2008 from the Planning Dept.
Sokol: during bldg inspection discovered overheight (during construction 2 x 10 joists replaced by 2 x 12); identified, construction continued with agreement on behalf of the Permitting Dept that they do so but identified need to resolve this issue; only portions of the roof overheight; applicant has applied for this Devt Variance Permit to resolve this issue
Sop: if it was identified at a certain point in time that something was wrong, why did construction continue, why not fixed?
[someone in gallery, out of earshot of Ccl made comment his roof was 2" over and he'd been made to fix it, not continue]
Sokol: believe they felt comfortable that in going through this route that Ccl wd approve the variance
Mayor: really?
Sokol: or the issue wd be resolved.
Sop: that's not the way things are done; in this cmnty I know your dept and bylaws, and Bldg Permit, are v strict in what they expect, presumptuous of anybody just to carry on
Mayor: we'll have discussion at discussion point; now Public Input.  No one, so--
oh, yes, pls
Bob Russborn (sp?): Russborn Design.
we did the design on the house; it's a little unfair to say the builder proceeded to construct the house; roof was basically on, agreed with Bldg Dept, the builder did not go ahead on his own volition to continue the house; it was agreed the Bldg Dept wd not redtag house and allowed him to continue construction
understand you have a letter from the Bldg Dept that they have no objection to 3.5" overheight, and also from Planning Dept they have no objection to the overheight
there's a history wrt the actual construction and sale of land of this particular prop
builder bought from BPP, roads incomplete, grading of lot not complete
proceeded to design on a survey plan proceeded by BPP
we were the first permit in the area; lots adjacent were regraded and a new survey done; wch wd have allowed the whole house to be raised by at least one foot
when presented to the City, said had to do according to original, so in fact 9.5" or 8.5" below what it cd hv bn
potentially lower than adjacent houses b/c adjacent houses designed according to revised survey plan
just to clarify the point that the builder did NOT proceed on his own direction; based on both Bldg and Planning wd support a variance; amt overheight so minimal it wasn't of great importance

{NOT THEIR PLACE TO DO IT!  What a precedent.  Staff told them to go ahead even though exceeding permitted limits?  It's at that point it shd hv gone to Ccl.  What dept has that as procedures? What dept head allows that? and without repercussions?
Moreover the bylaw states height must be measured from lower of finished or natural grade, ie regrading does not allow increasing the height of bldg.}

RECOMMENDED:  THAT all written and verbal submissions ... be received for information.
Sop: opposed -- don't want to hear about it.
Then MS moved variance on the Height of Building requirements be approved!
Sop: sure 1001 reasons a devt can bring about change; not saying it's not a good devt
from our sides, there's limitations on houses; so much change wrt bulk and everything else; nbrhd character worst it's ever been wrt change
continue along, ev time a change/overage in height, comes here, a thousand excuses why.
Sokol: I apologize; yes builder felt he was right and moved forward based on understanding staff wd be recommending this be approved b/c of difficulties with the survey

{It's not their place! not within their power (well, theoretically at least!).}

VV: sympathy with what Sop says; heard mbrs of public surprised at leniency of variances we allow
talking about their experiences years ago, 6", and they were just turned down, and went through all the expense of having to remedy the problem
just concerned that we have to be fair to everybody; if we have a bylaw, height or dimension in the bylaw, we aren't being v helpful, clear, fair, consistent if we let one after another, for various reasons, prop owners come to us and have dimensions altered; we shd reinforce our policies, and make sure we don't take a lenient attitude about it.
caught in design stage, expectation shd be that be corrected, not proceed; we're simply encouraging ppl not to be concerned and to proceed assuming they'll get a variance

{absolutely correct!}

JF: variances incredibly imp duties for Ccl and Bd of Variance
opportunity to recognize that not ev prop in WV is flat and square

{er, um, --  who said that?  who even thinks that?  anyone looked across at WV or down from their house???  not just a red herring, but as someone said to me, a scarlet herring}

quite often v good rationales for the request for variances; this request less than 4 inches
request where builder unaware new survey had been done for the rest of devt going around it

{double er, um!  didn't they just say they knew a new survey was being done?
Mistress of the distraction? Note the builder is here b/c he did not build the house he had the permit to build (or made unauthorized changes after approval).
in any case, wasn't he told he had to abide by original survey and that's why now he's asking for a variance??? didn't the previous person just say staff told him he cd continue??? and that it wd need to be resolved by Ccl through a variance?  That herring has just been joined by another red one.}

not made aware any roof height, partially built
problem not one of intent or malice, simply something that happened

{yeah, like **** happens

Ccl shd hv no difficulty supporting this
{if no problem handing over authority to staff without oversight or permission/delegation by Ccl.}
Mayor: re Cclr V's suggestion, if caught at design stage, that wd be a good time to check in; I agree with you.

{yes, Madam Mayor, that's right -- so why did you/DWV allow this? and what steps will be taken to prevent this?  It not only is a mockery of our regulations, it gives power to staff they don't have, or rather they have taken power/authority.  It puts owners/builders in a difficult position.  Of course they shd follow the rules but if staff say they don't have to, isn't that tempting?
And isn't the point also that the builders were not following the plan?  How else cd the inspection have discovered exceeding and not according to plan?}

This was not.   This was something that was not caught by the consultants or our plan-checking dept, and it's a 3" ridge, overage, wch I guess the remedy for wch wd be to take the roof off? a portion? 3 inches? So I'm going to call the question.
CARRIED (Sop says 'opposed')

{hmmmm......but the Dir of Planning said at the beginning that 2 x 12 joists were used instead of 2 x 10s and it was caught at the bldg inspection stage.  Even if it did require a halt on the roof, the critical point is simply that staff do not have the right to approve a variance!!!  They correctly said, it wd require getting a variance from Ccl but not to tell them to continue b/c Ccl wd approve.  That is usurping Ccl's authority.  Others have had to adjust for less than a 3-inch mistake, why preferential treatment?  Surely it was at that point that the owner/builder/devpr shd hv come to Ccl to see whether to continue or to adhere to the bylaw and change the roof design to stay within the required height.
Why allow this breach/contravention?
What msg is this sending about our bylaws or how serious WV is?
What if Ccl had turned this down and then the dvpr sued saying staff told us we cd continue, arguing DWV thus liable for his add'l costs since they'd proceeded based on staff's assurances?}

7:29 start  ------------  Hugo Ray Park  ------------
o  This item, Hugo Ray Park, went on for over three hours.  This therefore will be abbreviated with some notes.  The last issue of WVM had info from the DWV website and the URL for the residents' website.  Thursday's Outlook (June 12) had a long letter from resident D Lust (see http://www.bclocalnews.com/greater_vancouver/northshoreoutlook/opinion/letters/19791154.html)
o  For some background, there were earlier discussions in WVM, eg:
West Van Matters - WVM2006-17: Ccl Notes June 12; AGENDA 19th ...
8.1.2 G. & K. Stanley, June 06, 2006, regarding Hugo Ray Park $13 Million ....
www.westvan.org/reports/2006-17.shtml - 101k - Cached - Similar pages
o  Remember you can view the entire item/mtg on June 9th on the DWV website.
o  Perhaps it might be worth finding out who sets the agenda and the order.  Since Ccl has received hundreds of pieces of correspondence on the devt of the park, it shd hv bn plainly obvious that there'd be a lot of speakers on an item known to be so contentious.  It is therefore inexplicable/discourteous/thoughtless (or insult? you can fill in 'other' ; it's a multiple-choice question) to put important items like the Heritage Register and the Cmnty Engagement Cmte Status Report AFTER.  Had they been before, and they only took a matter of minutes, those residents waiting to speak -- and my hat off to them for doing so, showing their dedication -- HRPark wd hv started by 8pm and then Ccl cd go as long as it wanted (and defer Correspondence as is often done).
o  As always this is best efforts.  Keep in mind I can't always hear the names nor can I type as quickly as ppl speak.  The video will give you the whole ccl mtg.  Shd there be omissions or shortened sentences that are not exactly as said or if you feel more wd be helpful, everyone is welcome to send clarification, completions, add'l information, etc to editorWVM@westvan.org for inclusion in a future issue of West Van Matters.
6.  Hugo Ray Park Playing Field - Revised Project (File:  2160-03-HRAY1)
Ian Baggott: Dir of HRPark Society; over past 18 years spent a great deal of time searching whole of M for new sports fields, no other underused site with advantages; proposal before you best, four years; purpose was to upgrade; intent in maintaining and improving park for our players
WV Soccer Club ....., Sport BC, Field Hockey BC, Field.....
until Sept 2007, WV Cricket Club has been a supporter and now ... dead set against any devt ... less ambitious than in ....  60 cricket players...
valuable during wet fall months, not possible today..... solve
cost of new turf field, entirely borne; v minimal cost to taxpayers; 3P endeavour
Francesca Roddick: like many kids in WV, play field hockey and started when I was seven
watched grow over the years; had to drive ..... had to practise at Eric Hamber
6:30 home 10pm just so on ...
...  even had to drive out to UBC... many of us play on multiple teams; artif turf for soccer too bouncy;
received scholarships in US, many of us; WV needs to
Britney Quinville: Sentinel HS Student, play on five teams; field hockey a big part of my life; excited about having a field in WV: Mulgrave
Sept to mid-Nov; use soccer fields to practise but at this time of year soccer has precedence so have to practise at 6:30am; disadvantage young girls difficult time adjusting to speed of ball
can understand local residents, traffic, near Collingwood, share of traffic conflict; confident can find a [soln?]
Sop: wondered through all the things you've been through, did you have fun?
Britney Quinville: yes, thank you
Nicholas Loewen: played for six years, playing for ..
home field for us this year at UBC: majority of games in Bby
last weekend played in a field hockey tournament, played three games Fr/Sa/Sun 4.5 hours playing and six hours driving; ridiculous -- drive v far
HRPk more convenient, ten-min drive from house, ...
Rita Rasburg: 21, involved as a player since the age of ten; field hockey umpire
highest rated .... jr clubs ... umpire coordinator for the women's section; still involved as coach...
field hockey umpire assessor; not having one here made it v difficult; allowed only two hours in Carson Graham
two or three on ...  ridiculous, pretty unsafe;  fight with Vancouver clubs to get a time
shd not have to plead for time to keep up
scheduling our umpires, potential to place ...  Surrey, Rmd, Delta
drive out only paid $20; most held in evenings so quite dark
training -- no field lights, can't just talk about it; I'm not an elite player, play for fun, ... opp for others
Dave Lust: Prez of HRPark Area Residents' Group
Mr Pike's report was delivered to us on Thursday; wd like to present our report at this time
Mayor: Mr Lakhani
DL: unless ... defer until read and comprehend our analysis of Mr Pike's report
summary of flaws; internally inconsistent; so biased; base to proceed; unclear from report
one..... for kids; or concept of two side by side
recommendation -- approval to be given in 2009 on existing field No 2
makes it sound like only one field being proposed
... not scaled down; phased in; in essence, vote for whole; Club will expend funds using donated monies; contingent on; misconceived; contingent nature
claims to have raised $2M include pledged monies; $174K not $2M... Cricket
securing of infrastructure funding last year $1M is not $1.5M
egress; residents' concerns at issue; concept plan and ... to achieve it
this is no more an approval in principle
Mr Pike has previously....
misguided; hardly provide confidence; to providing a robust solution
JF: as a point of order; cd you read two names, the speaker following so ready to go, save time
Nazlin Nathu: live in area, want to pick up on two issues
this is not a one turf field proposal for kids, this is a phased-in plan
shd Ccl be encouraging this proposal; encouragement but not a promise, so shd Ccl?
the problem with contingent encouragement, it takes on a life of its own; wishful thinking encouragement turns into a de facto promise
Some examples: in an email Mr Pike (July 2007), and I quote: "my concern now is that the Society is going too far ahead of their Ccl approval, wch just allows them to fundraise and come back"; prophetic words indeed
A few days after that July 24th, NSN article states DWV Ccl approved plans to modernize the popular field hockey and cricket ....  A few days later, NSN noted report of Pat MacLeod: "the District considered an important partner; construction expected next summer; completion fall 2008 -- all this with encouragement to fundraise.
egregious example warping of Ccl 'encouragement to fundraise', Cricket allegedly agreeing to move to fields 3 and 4.  Prez/Mbrs of Cricket here today and this is figuratively and literally their bailiwick, so don't want to go too much into cricket, but I do know the conversion of their premium fields to artif turf for hockey was presented to them by Hockey as a fait accompli.  They were told that M staff was on side and this was happening for sure.  Cricket thought only choices it had were 3 and 4, or nothing.  That's why Cricket purported to accept those fields.
wdn't Ccl call this sort of use of its encouragement abuse? and what faith can Ccl have under these circumstances that further encouragement doesn't become further abuse?
Even someone as diligent and conscientious as Mr Pike, aware of potential of overstepping this, is not immune.  I note in his reports (Dec 2005 and Jan 2006), states clear that lighting will be problematic in terms of nbrhd effect and thus the plan does not include this feature.  Later he writes to Don Robertson of Esker Lane re lights on fields 1 and 2, you may have noted on the club mailout that lights are shown, this is not, NOT, what was intended, nor what we told the Club is possible.  If and when artif turf is put on these two fields, the intent is they not be lighted.
Just one week later, Mr Pike meets with DWV staff and Field Hockey reps, and the notes circulated at that mtg "need to let ppl know about plans to light fields 1 and 2 up front".  On Apr 30 NSN quotes Mr Pike, field lighting another issue discussed at open house but didn't get as many enquiries as he thought he wd.
Now just last month, Mr Pike is quoted as saying we wd never ever consider a field without lights.
in short space of two years, we've gone from telling Hockey that lighting is not even possible on these artif turf fields to telling the public that never ever wd the District consider artif turf without lighting.  What possible faith can Ccl have left that more encouragement in principle is not more abuse in fact?
Mayor: thank you; stick to three minutes
NN: I've never been heard from, Madam Mayor, and wd ask Ccl's indulgence for just another minute
so, I can -- this is not a proposal that's going to be addressed by anyone else at this point.
Mayor: We're going to stick to the three minutes I'm afraid b/c we've got four pages of ppl who feel the way you do, and so, if at the end of that, you feel that you're--I'm actually chairing the mtg; and at the end if you want to come back, that'll be fine.  That's how we run a Public Hearing.  That's the best I can do.
{however we don't hear from her again....  Applause.  NB: Applause  throughout the three hours}
Stephen Given: wrt lighting of field 1 and effect on nbrhd
terrible inconsistencies in staff reports as to whether fields 1 and 2 wd be lighted
expense of artif turf not  warranted unless use maximized ... till 6am to at least 10pm, all week, 12 mos a year
current traffic is irritating to put it mildly but at least it ends at suppertime and only part of the year, year round wd be unbearable; Bunt Traffic Study totally ignores this aspect of the devt; lighting a few, but traffic affects all
Mr Pike seems to think parking nbrhd's only concern but it's least; it's cars travelling through
Hockey says this devt will increase field time 750 hours per year, 200 cars per hour peak times according to Bunt; both figs probably conservative, means another 150K cars passing my house each year.
in 20 years we've lived in house seen field hockey grown from a few hundred mbrs to over 2000
enough is enough; field hockey has outgrown this facility, and if they want to continue to grow and host int'l tournaments with upwards of 50 teams they shd find somewhere else, preferably a site with access to public transit to reduce traffic and carbon footprint
Deborah Quinville: my husband is involved in field hockey but he's out of town so I'm reading this letter to you
somewhat perplexed debate continues; fields and facilities beyond their best years; field hockey advanced so playing on grass no longer viable; as father of two girls travelled all over Lower Mainland.....  disappointed prov govt did not come through [with funds]
from actions of a few homeowners
success of Society and raising $2M ...
WVField Hockey club highly admired throughout NAm; a lot of recogn to WV, the kind expect our Mayor and Ccl to be proud of; variety of sports, it is our youth, breathe life into...
HRay 36 years for benefit of all WV, not preserve of a few; our chn need this project to go forward
Ali Karmali: Esker Lane, arguably most impacted by report Mr Pike
resident in this area, decision to live here HRPark setting, provides some balance to activities
thought of type of Amb, fenced turf field, disturbs me; envmtal impact shd not be ignored
Mr Pike's report flawed, inconsistent; impact greatest Esker Lane
proposed solution planting mature trees, ineffective high light poles wd ...
unreliable tool to make your decisions going forward
we have made a  proposal going forward, a win-win scenario ... and must be considered
I grew up with field hockey and cricket, I grew up with both sports, it's about balance
consider win-win proposal, do in fair and equitable manner, rather than base on a flawed concept plan, ...
ignores many residents, downgrades, incorrectly claims to have addressed traffic, lighting, noise, traffic, etc....
Gillian Boothroyd: live above Amb turf field overlooks lights; when they went in there a lot of concern; three years later, we don't see them anymore; not the concern original thought
here with my father, Vince Boothroyd and his friend Hugh Fraser, who started the WV Field Hockey Club 40 years ago this year; here with my two kids; they collectively had six daughters, told no organized sports for girls on the NShore; were horrified by this,  Knowing nothing about field  hockey outside of knowing they had to wear skirts; entire church choir holding clipboards on Klahanie fields; club now has 2000 mbrs; don't think either dreamed wd be level of success it has in WV; I played, my brother played; my father; being British, played cricket and my brother played cricket through childhood, named to Cdn national team; both sports imp to family
now I coach both my kids' hockey teams, and play in women's Sept to Mar; seen crunch and need for fields; play with three other teams, late at Carson Graham, dangerous; I'll never become... Coordinator, division grown exponentially; had to move an entire division of kids down to Amb turf
left six boys' teams careering around with field hockey sticks
v few opps for women my age to be involved in a team sport; WV field hockey tremendous role model; strong older mothers playing; vision 40 years ago, life breathed into it will be by you so chn opp to play sports that I have
Robert Barr: live at Esker Lane
the issue relating to money is central to what will or will not happen esp wrt taxpayers
proposal from staff, Feb last year, split vote
this Ccl was unaware there was a Hugo Ray Park Society; had to stand up ...
Madam Mayor cast deciding vote in order to keep MRIF
Second: traffic; Third: policy wrt sponsorship and corporate naming
motion was passed in Ccl, donation of $1M
wrt traffic flow and parking predicated on a project with a price tag of $14.5M
HRPark taking responsibility
mayor's voting reasons nullified
covering....  fast forward tonight; staff report, not only $1M still in play but expanded to $1.5M; totally unacceptable to the residents and taxpayers given your recent report re spending; find funds; reintroduce them; initial conditions no longer apply; access to UL Hwy; repeated from MoT, not going to happen
how much of taxpayers' money frittered away; design and continued lobbying
distasteful, even if Min of Hwys, out of taxpayers' pocket; another $1M
several other points, respect three-minute limit; any time at end will continue my presentation
{didn't hear from him again either}
Mayor: three minutes and we don't usually have this many ppl
Ian Thomas: bigger issue here; a cmnty that's expanding; playing fields that greatly need to be expanded; demands for more playing fields, success with Amb changes
if it ain't broke, don't fix it
clear that HR fields in great need of retrofit
told by press last week, many chn inactive; v responsible encouraging more activity for our chn
proposal comes with a price tag, won't cost M anything; expansion for hockey, I think WV's going to generate a new asset; Ccl give utmost consideration
H? Wishart: planning and funding inconsistencies of report and lack of security
many phases of planning; HRPark Society plans keep changing with wind
any plans with cost of construction to base costs on?
how does anyone know how much first phase/field will cost?
with rising construction costs is $2M enough to complete first phase?
unusable while try to raise more funds?
if no money then? DWV steps in or?
even the M-part of funding has been removed from this budget and five-yr plan as well
more money than in WVFdn account, only true number counts re pledges esp since .....
future funds? money to complete second field; no plan or budget for second phase; who knows what will cost?
if rejected by and ... puts all the traffic back through the residential
other through Cedardale, ruled out by Mr Pike b/c he didn't want two nbrhds on the warpath; then WV taxpayers have to pay for this to hwy
with thousands of new ppl visiting the nbrhd; with WV reputation as richest suburb, perhaps may attract some of the wrong kind of ppl; vandalims and burglaries not only to the facility
property crimes to houses and vehicles; problem with vast increase of outsiders; references to security, but not addressed in this report; Sutherland turf field study refers to security in area surrounding new field, but no consideration to security in this report
one way to vote reject this report as incomplete as true facts not costs still unknown
Jim O'Toole: Lawson Ave on route to HRPark; opposition to lights and artif turf at HRPark
already overburdened; downplays current traffic probs and concerns; put field in and the egress when  other field installed in a few years
one solution to traffic, are you kidding me?   How does adding parking stalls change the number of cars coming in and out of a nbrhd?
Brent Dozzi in a communication that Cedardale was a viable option
Mr Pike replied he does not want to have two nbrhds on the warpath
in one rather than two; not acceptable that this viable option not pursued further
Cypress Park, Rodgers or ...
I was outside weeding my garden on Third St, .. screeched,  65km an hr; so mad, stood in front
slapped side of his car to slow down -- not in those words but you get msg.  He came back, he said, "I'm so sorry.  late to pick up my kid and you have ev right to be mad at me."
my daughter came back in tears; volume of traffic, if finally hit wd you ...
she now drives to Stanley Park to go for walks
... will you listen to us now; enough is enough; pls vote no and consider the nbrs
Bill Purcell: Aubeneau, all but four for past 46 years mbr since 1973
when field hockey was played on grass; coach now....
have heard about water-based turf fields, can't believe........
to Surrey, ....most cricketers live  .......
for biggest and most successful club in NAm hasn't a field
my oldest daughter; came onto Amb, scuffed the field, you mean you play on this? researched for soccer
my daughter went down to LA, ... won fourth year in row won that tournament
ran into scout from Cornell; well aware of ... in BC; v impressed with my team, in Grade Nine
bet they look good on water-based field ........
last election heard a lot about not letting WV stagnate
chose to raise my chn here, imp issue; a little while ago, school graduation and they've never played on ...
can't believe 57 cricketers and a handful of residents can hold ... ; can't believe we're on opposite sides of the table pushing the project; sad day for WV if this doesn't proceed
Sop: when you went to tournaments in US what did you play on?
Purcell: on grass
Sarah Sadler: I've played... many times in the Caltech [?] tournaments
we play on water-based; play on grass can't accommodate ...
v fortunate in my 25 years in WV to play and coach field hockey; at regional and prov level
will be going to South Africa in Dec to represent Canada
WV is v unique; coaching progs, coached them since they were rugrats
Vipers -- won Vanc Int'l tournament ...
this last season had to practise from 9 to 10::45pm at Eric Hamber really hard to work
I have coached kids in this area, tugs at my heart, and they're here opposing this...
for one field, don't know how many cars
22 players, do carpool, don't know how many thieves....
one turf field with possibility of two, really imp for our club, kids I coach, implore you to vote yes tonight
Ashley Gold: grew up in Dund now in Edgemont, coach at Collingwood
first played at HRPark at ten, 20 years ago; dropped soccer in favour of field hockey; played ...
all games held over town ...
field hockey scholarship at Old Dominion  in US; featured in NSN
back to coach at Collingwood; since 1996, upwards of 50 who have attended U on scholarships
teaching about teamwork, safe place for ... ; grow up as positive mbrs of cmnty; gateway for young girls ... cannot host high level.... can't compete in own city
I haven't .... for approx ten years; Collingwood practise at 6:30 in morning just to get on Amb turf
Sukhi Sikha: chair and co-chair of HRPark Society
approached to raise funds; 2006, agreed to be part of cmte
started fundraising in Mar 2007; strategy to raise $2M in cmnty then grant for $2M, then more funds to complete project ...
prov accepted our application, shortlisted meeting all criteria, but in March 2008 notified did not receive grant
15 ppl ... cmte ... for a total of $2M; will support one field for field hockey and mini soccer; we are confident this can be achieved and prepared to deliver a chq for $100K for design; thank...... for support
Jane Koznick: live in NV; here as zone rep for... and chair of field hockey club
support for proposal; different aspects for all of our athletes
challenging b/c we don't have proper turf on the N Shore
150 participants from NSh; 100 players high perf progs, prov teams; artificial turf is now the standard....
as no facilities on NSh, over 60 drive Oct to May as mandated to participate
you must be a mbr of this prog; will increase b/c of success of our prog
also for the first time, medal in hi perf; brought home ...
58 of our WV field hockey mbrs been selected to represent prov; largest from our club
turf time in Vancouver, as non resident next to impossible
can only be done with proper turf at HRPark; so realize their goals and their dreams
Cindy Gibbon: my opposition to the report as presented
notes nbrs have a legitimate concern but goes on to accept without dealing with concerns
lighting, noise, another aspect, irreparable harm to our chn from synthetic turf ...
also wanted to mention, we have 90 families, a large handful
we have another plan that includes field hockey, cricket, and ... not opposed, want report to be looked at in a different way
Nicole Sauder: Hadden Drive, strong opposition; devt of this prop, negative impact to the entire nbrhd; traffic already intolerable
for three years my first daughter attended Montessori, unwilling to walk my daughter b/c of excessive speed
walking daughter and dog, take our lives .... had a car honk at me, inches from my baby carriage
this is a family nbrhd, chn and seniors; many inexperienced drivers; hope voice of myself and nbrs, extravagant and unnec devt
Alan Bergman: Nicole is my wife and it's quite {rare?} that she doesn't get the last word
we're not against using the park and using it fully
against natural grass being ripped up and .... down; lighting
glad cricket done, so great, and have done it in cmnties around
stadium-type lighting, negatively affect nbrhd and cemetery; lighting fields 1 and 2 not ...
reiterated Jan 5, 2006 by Mr Pike; again ...  to prez of Esker Lane; not intent, and if put there intent not to be lighted
currently report, expense of artif turf not warranted if not lighted ... wd really impact nbrhds around ...
objection has never changed; lighting wd permit play into the quiet hours, change quiet tranquil nbrhd and increase traffic flow; our [proposal?], and have a win-win for ev
Derek de Sa: live in Coquitlam
sev environmental concerns re replacement of grass by synthetic materials; if you go back to the history of artif turf, injuries; sold as free maintenance, ... now many jurisdictions re-evaluating diff sites; aware that MondoTurf is recommending a diff variety than before; even their own ... chromium and zinc are high; high levels of DMP, exceed the safe values in Norway ...
in the history of envtal health, material has been introduced into plastics, schools, always assured perfectly safe then not
asbestos, 1907 possible carcinogen in UK, took Canada 60 years to ... made them look quite stupid
look at the situation, senior execs of smoking companies said not addictive or ...
at the moment MondoTurf, Upper Canada College chose to ... wd require 1861 mature conifers for carbon neutrality
carbon tax credits; you're seriously ripping up a sizable amt of  green space and not even for multipurpose use as far as I can tell today
Rahab Mujab (?): Mission, BC; cricket for over 100 years
WV cricket Club established in 1955; integral part, plays in all five divisions of BC Cricket League; HRPark is considered the best facility west of Toronto, and most consider it the primary cricket field and best in Canada
energy and finances in making HRPark high rated cricket facility in lower mainland if not Canada; considerable effort; hosts playoff games at HRPark; holds a lot of jr devt games/play-offs; inspected; 2012 coming to Canada, potential holding World Cup; devastating blow to Canada as a whole
premier overall; growing leaps and bounds, in last 20 years represented four world cups
after soccer second biggest sport in the world; brings cmnties together; even greats, Captain X came to Canada this year and said HRPark one of the best facilities in NAm for cricket, and loss to Canada and cricketing world; Cricket Canada held tournament in Toronto, and two of WV represented the BC squad; almost five potentially cd be in the Canadian Squad; that's the level of cricket here; cricket is a growing sport where ev comes together, talking about survival not convenience
Alan Blair: Gillian Boothroyd has left again when I start to speak
had prepared but some comments so inflamed colleagues about carbon neutrality; so will relay notes; if sitting in cars going; turf doesn't require fertilizers, doesn't have fumes as the Amb turf has
US Field Hockey Assn, selection process, int'l tournament, culmination of the massive machinery ...
primarily from BC; largest club plays WV, the largest club in NAm; proud of this? personally, my daughter in Gr 12; proud of this; personally trademarked WV-Field Hockey Central
leadership and legacy or little vision; wish to deny taxpayers a gift of $2M; other group wishes to give a gift of $2M including to those who oppose; support predominantly non-resident cricketers or hundreds and thousands; sit in automobiles longer than playing; sanity prevail; irresponsible to turn down $2M; players voters and donors; power to elect ... prepared to fund this base project
Mayor: wd ask that gallery respect all points of view; there's all points of views on Ccl as well
Tim Savage: Bby six months a year, and six months in or around HRPark
former hockey now cricket now, enjoyed sev facilities; cricket at HRPark since former garbage tip
my Scottish friend who raised costs, any devt shd consider envtal concerns, garbage tip being under that; Capilano River nearby, cd be leaching; if soil upset, expansion, foundation for lighting poles, this cd end up being an envtal concern for your city
gentleman who raised costs, cd well be right, cd be another $1M required since former garbage
garbage tip has sat there quietly for years, our grass fields we won't upset that; carefully consider that risk
cricket is the oldest sport in Vancouver; multicultural sport, jr and adult; first this evening Sr Sports, we have mbrs in 60s even 70s; have hosted many int'l, Cdn, regional,and District games at many levels
I support hockey as well, they've done a marvellous job, and the training they have, they might even think that grass improves; to astroturf more dextrous, have advantage
we ask you that you vote no; say to ratepayers of Vanc, you need to be v careful
Mayor: Merv Peters? Ron Collins? will come back to Merv Peters. Stuart McNeil?
Ron Collins: resident of WV for 38 years, mbr of WV Cricket Club, first played 40 years ago at Amb Park before we got moved to HR; also past prez of WV Youth soccer assn, also resident of WV
Many who have played hockey have also played cricket; my chn played hockey, soccer, cricket; enjoy all found hockey short-lived thing and didn't stay long
main concerns threefold: lateness of report -- posted on website on Friday so gave groups Sat and Sun; not in my ofc today so not able to download and print report; my second concern far far more serious -- the safety aspect; been a devpr in WV for many years.  Recall doing devt called Bonnie Bay Place behind Gleneagles Golf Course off of Blink Bonnie Rd.  This cul de sac had to be 40 ft wide to meet WV bylaw requirements, today bylaws changed now roads narrow, cushioning effect to stop driving too fast.  If the 2000 ppl, the 1000 families, that go to park, WV only one way down, three streets and only barely meet the Fire Dept and code; Mathers, Third, Hadden all 20ft wide, measured them all yesterday with my laser; what's going to happen when some kids get killed? all coming to pick up kids? what happens when dark? who's going to be responsible if a baby gets killed; I don't want to be responsible that's why I don't support this
Stuart McNeil: live in WV; wrt green issue, our players are really good b/c we ship them to other places, we leave WV; we're the largest assn in NAm and we leave our cmnty
another sport where the majority of players aren't from our cmnty come into our cmnty
re turf read some of the concerns, lights, turf; got me concerned; two daughters play field hockey; checking on internet and also found heavy concentration of heavy metal, started off in turf put in 60 years ago, lead, zinc, around a company called Astroturf and company gone bankrupt; majority of turf that goes in now polyethylene and polypropylene, exact same things make food containers, we eat out of
50 times less than chn's toys; article just brought in today from USA today; claim according to all the... no health benefits; doesn't eliminate all risk but far-fetched
other issue: nbrs' objections to putting something in their own backyard; in my backyard had Kay Meek go in; we don't go to theatre, sometimes in cmnty have to give for greater good; we put up with the parking; as part of the cmnty, it's the greater good
consider thousands benefit vs few WV cricketers; if it does go ahead; I feel for the lady with the carriage, put speed limits in, that wd be really good
[laughter b/c have already]
Carl Mark: two daughters 14 and 16, play field year round; I'm active in coaching
I've held group discussions with both parents of groups I coach U14, U16, represent 32 WV families
I represent $250K in WV property taxes; nbrs talked to others; 100% revolved around sense of cmnty; our nbrs like seeing kids play at home; believe builds sense of cmnty, ensures ppl want to live here; these families reached out, nbrhd network 128 families, represent $1M in WV property taxes; see how grow, 75% participated in fundraising in past couple of years
one of many emotions, frustration v upset seems to be a slap in the face to our taxpaying dollars; if majority of cricketers don't pay taxes here; we have a big problem with priorities -- we live here, shd play here.
next anger: we're angry our voice and our tax dollars are seemingly being ignored in favour of small selfish interest groups who are looking for personal gains vs greater benefit for the entire WV cmnty.
[shouts from gallery at this]
We feel we are being bullied to a detrimental situation where we will lose
[more shouts]
Mayor: Mr Chen, I'm going to call a recess for a few minutes
[even more shouts]
Mayor: excuse me, Mr Chen
C Mark: where we will lose, we are being bullied--
Mayor:  Mr Chen, I'm going to call a recess for a few minutes, b/c that is not right, and you might as well, unless we can just calm down
Ccl, let's just a few minutes--
[from audience: Control your mtg]
Mayor: exactly what I'm doing
[mystery that Carl Mark called Mr Chen;  ~9:10 to 9:14 mikes cut; audio stops; theme music plays]
Mayor: I'd like to call the mtg back to order and ask for Carl Mark to resume where he left off; wd like to ask ev here tonight to allow Ccl to get to the discussion of this important item; I know how much it means to all of you; we can only get there if we do it together,  Pls continue
C Mark: want to start by saying my intention was to make the point about will of the taxpaying majority and their desire to build a cmnty for family and kids, b/c that's the foundation of what a cmnty is all about, so the sustainabiity of WV as the most desired cmnty to live in will continue for generations to come
some of the words I used, earlier, caused a bit of an emotional stir; may have been a bit strong and I apologize for that
I do want to stress that the nature of the will of taxpaying majority to maintain for families and chn
MaryAnn Booth: Chair of WV Bd of Education; thank you and Cclr V bringing this to our attention
support; won't repeat contents of my letter; support our athletes, sport assns; link between sports and ... influence factors impact unequivocal; all cmnty partners support of youth and resp to support
hope other issues can be resolved
Colin Miller: WV, VPrez of WV Soccer Club; appear to day to put forth support of club
read about safety of artif turf; our players play on that; in NJ they examined [X?] and closed down two
one surrounded by an abandoned complex that contained a recycling; came from polluting nbr
brought forward a lot of info re turf fields and safety
Dr Michael Johns asked to examine this re Bainbridge WA; paper analyzing literature; will provide a copy to clerk at conclusion
at Amb, tire crumbs form basis keeps grass standing upright; in strong acids at high temperatures releases ... ; leaching, did find some metallic, do leach out over time
aren't a lot of studies; most come to conclusion shd look at it more
French study, while contaminate in leachate, still within allowable drinking standards
studies on effects on younger players playing ...  much more field use than ours use; through skin or if you ate some of the tire crumbs; minimal, not a safety concern
Mayor: bell at 15 seconds [remaining], cuz Cclr Smith thought I was being too lenient
Pat Jackson: didn't think I'd be speaking; I'm one of the small ... nbrs, not opposed to devt of HRPark, basically we wanted some straight answers abut traffic; expansion will attract ppl
at present only way in and out streets, through traffic ...
nine months ago I asked a question and to date not received the courtesy of a response
how are you going to get them in and out of area by a network of nbrhd streets?
Pat MacLeod: Dir/Prez of HRPark Society
we're talking about just one field; and traffic is approx 30 vehicles per hour, Sept to Mar, wch is well below current peak usage; peak usage now occurs in spring, with ... and mini soccer ... double
Bunt study measured ..... that's where figures of 200 vehicles per hour and ...
artif will not be used for soccer; one artif field in HRPark has potential of ...
potential to make signif improvements; parking and congestion on Third Street will be eliminated
HRPark Society and Field Hockey, and other groups, have committed to fund ONE field, $2M for one field, great benefits to many in WV
Rod Hasp: wonderful view of the new intersection on its way to Whistler from my window
I'm a ship's captain, more recently of cruise ships; probably been to more places in the world than many ppl here
{I'll challenge him!  I've been to over 100....}
and I chose to live in WV, it's the nicest place in the world, and I really do genuinely mean that
{with his English accent, wd guess not born here}
all my kids grew up here, lived here over 20 years, and I drove them to figure skating b/c there were no figure-skating clubs in WV, drove them to Langley and Abbotsford and everywhere else, and drove sons for/to the same things
for 18 years with Ian Baggott and his predecessors tried to purport {?} new facilities for hockey as well; I'm a cricketer by the way, Prez of the WV Cricket Club for many years, Prez of the Mainland Cricket Club for many years, or League for many years; and it was not up until two years ago they had our total and absolute and unequivocal support for furthering field hockey
ten years ago the fields were kind of dropped off b/c of the grass issue, and we've got to come to some sort of solution, but as a taxpayer and as a resident of WV, I really have some issues I want to raise
so sad come to this, this stage; shd be working as we've done for 20 years instead of coming here throwing mud at the wall; have a real problem paying 1$.5M let alone $1M Mr PIke is proposing, and the replacement of the turf, and the disposal of the old turf, potential of leakage, seepage, water costs of the grounds, all the other things we have yet to discuss
saddened in two ways; one, as Mr Soprovich says, we don't do things that way in WV, I don't believe that this Ccl and Mr Pike in particular have been transparent in this process; too much info going out before it's public to certain parties.  I think that's absolutely disgraceful.  I want to be on the record for that.  I do however beg you to table this motion and allow the groups to come back together again with transparent and truthful input from the officers involved and let us find a solution so that the kids in WV, and the kids of the North Shore, b/c the clubhouse we're proposing is not all WV, it's a North Shore field hockey, so let's come together, let's solve, without rejecting the best cricket field in Canada, without stopping field hockey; let's come up with a solution, I'm v much prepared to getting heavily involved if that's our objective
Alex Buehler: my son plays field hockey and I live there; shot by two groups!
artif turf expensive; have to maximize; casual play not allowed; scheduled game by...
not a resident, not even my son, allowed to play at any other time' we need more playing fields in WV' driving to ...  don't want my son to be doing that when he grows up
Hugo Ray only ..... where two fields side by side but one field, so that's a change
never been asked if I agree or not
scope of project; no one can tell me, if years from now three or four fields
lights controversial -- nbrs don't want and players don't want to play late
asked my son, he's the expert, cancer survivor
wd you like to play more or wd you like to play with me; [he said] in that case with you
only way to get there artif
proper plan, proper scope; second at PJ, third field somewhere else; full study, traffic planning/study; still not in the report; ev wd like to see full scope before anyone can say agree or not with it
Joe Richards: prez of Cricket Club, NV; having just read report from staff wed like to make a couple of comments; been characterized as regional or metro-based; equates us with field hockey; regional and not just a local benefit for WV ... quoting Mr Pike
We've been minimalized in this report
one, five league teams; nature of our game; ability to accommodate; 1700 mbrs in Lower Mainland
when section 3.3 , we're characterized as a possible detriment to the cmnty
can't see... time available; good use; don't block when we don't use them...
last year teaming; this year a dearth; where has this jr prog gone?
....Priv-Park, no wonder ...
Parks is out to create as many artif as possible and sacrifice grass fields in pursuit of this goal
have have given an option, field 5, cricket fields remain intact; artif turf, just do not want to see it where they propose it, one artif field makes two grass fields unusable
Curt Shepard: field hockey dad; followed my daughter going through the prog, many of the ppl here have coached her, her time v grateful for that; opps wd not have had otherwise
pick of 615 out of 900, field hockey tipping point
not just about scholarships, choices, ... not an easy game, not for the faint of heart; fortunate to go to Orlando FL in Feb...
dominant club; 50 ... one goal against us; v professional, v calm; just amazing to watch; v proud to be a Cdn and proud to be from the NSh
field v imp; saw the level of competition; we're like an ice hockey team playing on a pond
this is a failing to fill a ... for our kids
played .....  neat to see little kids watching their moms play
David Guthroe: WV, far from the fray; my daughter plays the viola, so wd not like to speak on part of X or Y
paranoid not... take a neutral path
criteria for Ccl when they vote whether to
give ev what they wanted magic wand... that being said, that wand hasn't suffered from overuse
hope your decision highest and best interest of
want my eight-year-old to grow up....  heathy lifestyle....establish activity; negs cost, distance to travel... difficult to find; impossible; financial resources; hope acts in overall best interests in ...; to greatest; those chosen not to .... but to earn it; longterm, ......  it's a cmnty issue
Michelle Riley: Hadden Dr; we're losing the fact that if there's no artif turf put in that field is still there and accessible for chn; concerned about vision, although they say only a one-field project, Kevin Pike has put forth his vision; still is a vision of a ctr of excellence, not looking for kids anymore but for athletes, and that is not approp for our nbrhd
I respect that chn have to travel to other ..... and ... [for us] this is a lifelong burden, this is ev day, ... I have a small daughter, promote sports; I am afraid to walk my daughter down the streets
still have had zero answers; we're placing the cart before the horse
... even thought we have no budget, or future funding, no soln to traffic egress problem, deferred once again
exclusive use of nbrhd; sport co-existed peacefully for 35 years; does this in the face of heated atmosphere; Field Hockey has engineered a hostile takeover of the HRPS; claim to fundraise in its name
Mr Pike's recommendation to proceed .. is a concept plan, in this circumstances to enter into a quagmire of protracted conflict among stakeholders and the District
Mr Riley?:  As is usual in my family I'll be much more terse than my wife
trying to find some information from Mr Pike or elsewhere as to what type of
what FIH standard -- three levels, starter, national, and global
today I heard a water-infill field, nat'l or global; underlying purpose will be to hold tournament purpose
I played soccer all the way to uni level; upset what they want to do, Mathers and Hadden can't handle it; lots of teams coming in, roads will not be able to handle it
more interested in standards and beyond local rec standards
reducing sedentary lifestyles, agree with that too, bar automobiles from Mathers, bike trail
good solution
Mayor: mtg to continue beyond ten
Sandra: four chn; in 80s thriving field; have a base and have a heart; hockey has moved on; ...
sad, myopic, and pedantic; most ppl in this room, have a stake, have chn
easy to mow down bldgs to build a strip mall; this whole project is about keeping our kids in this cmnty
I'm not a coach, or administrator; thank ev mbr that is
I've lived in England and played in Holland; doing an amazing job with little support... playing on a dinosaur of a field; listen to cricketers; includes
Montessori, is a quiet cmnty; lost sight of, reduce traffic, one big field, traffic flow actually less, hope they'll read through reports, not speakers speaking on a personal level
look at the ... chn not here in hundreds, in bed
chn not here b/c they have to leave go to other cmnties, have to move to Surrey, UBC,... we're losing the heart and soul of our cmnty; in no way detrimental to any of the ppl speaking here tonight
Jeff Houghton: live in WV
one that hasn't had...  top level, play for....   prospect for nat'l team; beat Argentina, go to Beijing
have to play on water-based.....
played ......   our team pretty well sucked, had to change our plays b/c of turf
also went to Holland, won ev single game except one
six out of ten players from WV
I'm from WV, I work eight hrs a day...   three days when in school ...practise most at UBC, 6 to 10 eating my dinner at 11:45pm and going to bed at midnight; not good for an athlete
we require a full field to practise, 15 to 20 cars, players, balls, equipment
facilities, in California, tons of ... going to Pan Ams in October, how compete with these teams with fields in their backyards....
Mayor: Mr Pike, wd you like to introduce this?
KP: this issue has been before the cmnty for 20 years, hear from audience three days decades, now back again
encouraged to work with partners; find ways to raise dollars that don't come from taxpayer; to make most effective and efficient use of parkland; and that's why we're here
shdn't come as a surprise as Dir of Parks, supporting children and chn's sport ...
suggesting supporting one hockey sports field b/c that's all they can afford
been v clear, not proceed unless club is going to come back for second field
report also talks about what M can reasonably afford and what an be done to ameliorate nbrs, some problems, not all; recommending planning be done so very clear wrt costs
come back with funds and for $1.5M to traffic take out of park
come back in front of you again with these estimates, likely a few months, in front with you again
Field Hockey is willing to pay for design, and in 2008 for traffic and parking and wd like consideration that they be reimbursed b/c money was raised for the field; despite of what we've heard, relatively straightforward
JF: been asked by CAO to propose a couple of amendments to point 4
before he does; I've been really disappointed by [comments about] our Dir of Parks alleging lack of integrity; I've known him for a long time, on Sch Bd before on Ccl, know him to be a man of great integrity; I take offence at suggestion that that is not the case
if Mr McRadu cd explain to me the rationale behind the two amendments that I'm going to propose, I will then make the motion.
CAO: we've received today a letter from the HRPS that they're prepared to give up front $100K toward the design of the facilities, however what they have asked is that in recom no 4, that if for any reason, Ccl chooses not to proceed the project after they receive the cost estimates, that they be refunded $50K of the $100K, and if the project proceeds to construction, $50K be credited to the capital construction of the field, amended to four, so may be suggested deal with all five or first recom.... lead to second, third, and fourth to be amended.
Mayor: my suggestion to Cclr F is to move part 1, fundamental, then
JF: therefore recommend:
1.   Approval be given, subject to the receipt of adequate funds from the Hugo Ray Park Society, for the installation in 2009 of artificial turf and lighting designed for the sport of Field Hockey, on the existing Field #2 I don't want to restate all of the comments this evening; a proposal been in the air in the Park and nbrhd for many years; all want to support youth of our cmnty
take resp for our young ppl, obligation, and we hav been neglecting, they have to drive to other cmnties funded by other taxpayers; assume some resp for our...
not beyond the ability.... for both cricket, field hockey, and nbrhd, not in six months
all know important, address neglected needs of the nbrs for some resolution to traffic they've endured for many many years; not impossible but need to get on now; need to get design elements in place; report clear, this first step, some years down the road for a second field
not something we shd try to hide; need to assume responsibility for that need
incredible this group has fundraised $2M, something soccer wasn't able to do for Amb; imp for whole cmnty that we support
VV: a difficult problem; not happy to be in a position to pick a side, someone to win and someone lose
I like to be in problem-solving; what's important to us
In 1926, DWV decided no industry, the highest priority was nbrhd, not going to have traffic or disruption; no industry b/c traffic wd disrupt nbrhd; suddenly when it comes to sports we inflict worse than an industry
residents, their quality of life ....
our [OCP?] .... describes HRPark as a cmnty park, always on basis as shared
the biggest change I see in going from grass fields to artif turf, not in Mr PIke's report, it's going from shared to exclusive
hundreds living in WV but there are tens of thousands live there
two fields, half of park fenced off; I find that quite troubling
I don't think this shd be set as youth, health, sport, and on the other side nbrs, chn live there, can't ride bikes, walk chn
weakness is location; can go along with youth, training, etc, the only problem is where it's happening
told about Holland, problem is we're a mtnside going into the ocean....
I'm not prepared to pick a winner or loser and that means a diff tack from no 1 here
go back to where we were before, go back to field 5, know they've only got $2M it it will cost $4M
.... cemetery
discord, the MRIF grant cdn't get.... when you step off the playing field
my honest wisdom
the original alliance between field hockey, cricket, residents, pls can we go back and have that $2M  .... cricket stays, add'l field, 5 and add'l ....
better than 2 and being held up by court cases
cd be lit; instead, access out through the Keith Rd route, it physically exists, blocked by boulders we, M, put there
that little diagram, nobody's house; ppl go, doors close bang bang...  but that little parking lot below field 5 not near anyone's house... down just going along
10pm game finishes 20 cars; no vehicular access to Hwy, Third Street, and Park
wd go across -- wd be status quo
it's the best I can think of, cd go forward without much delay
if we go forth, legal challenge, monies collected seen without merit, can go on for year or two
also; cd hold this up; everybody has to get together again; I'm willing to speak to our MLAs
one in location acceptable to nbrs, no objection from cricketers' ctr of excellence at another location, Upper Lands
.... they used to play as chn, now their chn play; with a longer term view, a new .... not
$150M prog for renewed amenities
can it go on a flat roof where they play ice hockey below?
will not support No 1 unless changed 2 to 5, move boulders and then we won't need $?M
I've given it my best
MS: I read Mr Pike's report, thought thorough, locate somewhere else and there are four fields at Hugo Ray Park that have outlived their usefulness; good thing youth play sports b/c the .... have all
do support, do think they address; address problems when they come up
if far more traffic, than anticipated can look at something to address that
raised $2M, why turn our back on all that money raised, not from taxpayer
v unfortunate, citizens have had to resort to hiring lawyers, FOI, requesting ....
I've lived in the cmnty for over 50 years, ppl in this cmnty of good will, don't need to resort to that information....
if ppl asked me, unless about personal ...., wd give it, all other mbrs of Ccl wd
agree with Cclr F; staff take a lot of shots.... too much $.... too many muffins
expect outstanding performance
we certainly don't question motives of staff; no one gets unanimity, know they act in best interests of cmnty; shd get behind this project and give it our whole support
Sop: quite taken with pride ppl speaking about sports; fathers and mothers v proud of their offspring wrt two ....   these accomplishments of pride of existing fields
Sop: wd like my time, after months; if in fact existing fields were there and you excelled, that playing field allowed you ... now deja vu; Ambleside, on Rec Sports Planning Group, under RFMP
field is burned out, run by staff and sports enthusiasts thought that wd be the home of soccer, wd try to find baseball somewhere in area, and that HRPark home for Cricket and Field Hockey
disappointing two groups, deteriorate in short period of time; think we're better than that
have attended that field with my eight-year-old and grandchn; family-oriented a good thing
all through this; traffic study, we haven't put enough on access and impact on residents
sports and residents in this area; we shd step up to the plate more how these folks going to be satisfied
up on weekend, huge beautiful area; going to bring best of best for their chn
this report a bit problematic in a couple of areas: one network of traffic; other we've had difficulty wit funding, going to have to find $1.5M and originally thought $1.5M of $4M and now $1.5M or $2M
not in capital plan; we haven't planned it yet, don't know pitfalls
haven't had prior to this report any major conversation about how to pay for this
know Mr Laing concerns; where is this money going to come from?
$1M here or there; have to be fiscally responsible; ability to raise $2M; stated in 2006 said we wd allow
in spite of all changes, did meet certain demand.....
kind of torn; why can't field hockey and cricket look at this picture for their own; both been there for 40 yrs; pitting one against other, what does that say to our kids
I've read hundreds of letters, some form, but read them all; I have difficulty; I'm going to support the motion to move forward
Mayor: been a v difficult period for two years; thank Corinne Ambor, Brent Dozzi, and Kevin Pike
believe all worked in good faith
WV Cmnty Fdn -- received threats, Min of Cmnty Services enthused, based on 'to try'; a genuine effort to try in this nbrhd
true the traffic has been neglected for years; this opp seems to be ideal to deal with these issues
Certainly I've been attacked, and that's what comes with leadership
to be clear and to be clear with intent; since 1990 wanted one artif turf; shd be clear
may not be a comfort to some; shd be looking to next century; field hockey thrive, cricket --- within cricket was in conflict
I don't think any doors have closed; have to recog things are going to change, have to operate with partners; based on that
didn't have a pool ozonated, Gleneagles, ... going in the right direction; my hope make a decision tonight
grandiose schemes ....  leave this open to all to work together
CARRIED with VV opposed
JF moved: 2.   Approval be given to staff, working with the Society and utilizing Society funds, to proceed with the design, scheduling and cost estimating for the lighted field, the parking infrastructure in the park and the frontage road egress adjacent to Highway #1.
Sop: ADD have staff work with nbrhd
JF: friendly amendment, okay
3.   Staff provide information on the source and availability of capital funds of up to $1.5 million in the 2009 budget year, for the installation of expanded parking and improved traffic movement within Hugo Ray Park.
4.   With design information, cost estimates and sources of funding in place, staff report back to Council for approval of construction.
here's where amendment comes in: if Ccl decides not to continue with construction of the field, will reimburse Society $50K; if proceeds, credited to capital construction of the field
JF moved: 5.   A Letter of Understanding between the District and the Hugo Ray Park Society relative to this project be presented for Council approval prior to authorization to proceed with construction.
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Man: Cmnty park--
Mayor: Ccl, shall we continue to work through agenda?
Sop: move adjournment, Madam Mayor
MS: it's 11 o'clock at night
Mayor: Still in our ccl mtg, sorry.  Ccl continue: I know ppl in the audience here for items 7 and 8.  if we cd make it quick cd we proceed?
Sop: just 7 & 8?
Mayor: there are other citizens here involved those initiatives, and I think it's pretty straightforward reports.  All right?
We're going to move to Item 7 on our Cmnty Heritage Register; we have PQP at the end of the ccl mtg; we're continuing with our ccl biz.  Item 7.
[More ppl speaking]
Excuse me, you're out of order
[Man: the Hugo Ray Park Society does not represent the users of that park, doesn't represent the cmnty, and we heard tonight .... was a cmnty park when--]
Mayor: you are out of order, Sir, and I ask you to be cease
[He continues: Everybody in the cmnty will be affected ... to represent--]
Mayor: thank you, Mr Mikicich
[finishes: for a one Society group, lopsided, one-sided]
Mayor: we wd like to move really quickly or we cd defer, I'll leave it up to you
SMik: We have some speakers
Mayor: I realize that and that's why I'm prepared to continue; b/c waited all evening
SMik: before making any presentations, entertaining questions
7.         Community Heritage Register
Report from Commonwealth Historic Resource Management Limited titled "A Community Heritage Register for the District of West Vancouver"
Mayor : defer? or speakers? have seven in deference, b/c you've waited all night; is Mr Merrick here as well?
SMik: yes, he is
Mayor: all right; out of deference to Mr Merrick's waiting, I think we shd continue with item no 7
SMik:  and Tom, saying a few words
Tom Wardell, Chair of HWG: pleased; in light of hour, will make it short
{This text was supplied; b/c late he did not get to say it all but here it all is for you, Dear Readers:}
Thank you, Madam Mayor.  On behalf of the Heritage Working Group, I am pleased to be here tonight to present the completed work on the community heritage register, for Council's consideration.
On May 12th, Hal Kalman, Stephen Mikicich, and I walked Council through the planning and consultation process, and outlined what would be coming forward this evening.
The products of our collaborative efforts are presented in the report by Commonwealth.  These products include:
o       a heritage context statement for West Vancouver;
o       a thematic framework for understanding our diverse heritage resources;
o       selection criteria for additions to the register;
o       a list of 171 nominated historic places; and
o       approximately 30 statements of significance, which have been prepared through a combination of working group, community, staff, and consultant efforts.
I would like to thank our project team, including:
o       my colleagues on the Heritage WG:  Aline Brown, Lori Cameron, Carol Howie, Patricia Jarvis, Ian MacDonald, and Carolanne Reynolds
o       Councillor Vivian Vaughan, our council liaison
o       Hal Kalman, Meg Stanley, George Martin, and Maria Cruz at Commonwealth
o       District staff
I will now turn it over to Stephen Mikicich
{Stephen's speaking notes:}
Madam Mayor, as Hal Kalman noted, on May 12th, the list of 171 nominations to the register (Appendix B) was drawn from:
o       a review of Primary and Secondary buildings in our existing heritage inventories;
o       a sampling of resources from our landscape inventory; and
o       further nominations from the public
The nominations have all been reviewed against the selection criteria, and are considered worthy for inclusion on the community heritage register.
Reminder:  a listing on the Register would:
o       provide formal recognition of the heritage value of an historic place, but would not provide any legal protection for listed resources; and
o       would qualify a resource for possible conservation incentives or senior government funding
Council has the option of adding all 171 nominated resources to the register at this time, as property owner 'permission' is not required under the Local Government Act (i.e., 'listing' not 'designating') however, staff believe that further consultation is needed, to fully inform property owners about the register, and what the potential benefits are particularly in light of common misconceptions, and concerns that have been expressed to date.  This is an important step in building owner awareness and acceptance of the register as a heritage conservation tool.  Staff are recommending that:
1. the selection criteria (Appendix A) be adopted as the basis for considering future additions to the register;
2. that the list of 171 nominations (Appendix B) be received for information;
3. that an initial list of 33 nominated resources (Appendix C) be considered for adoption at this time; and
4. that staff consult with property owners before reporting back to council with further recommendations in the fall
The initial list includes a number of publicly-owned properties, and private homes where owners have expressed their support.  Staff have also been approached by a number of property owners who would like to proceed with heritage conservation projects.  In order to do so, they are looking to the District for guidance and leadership in working with the heritage tools that are currently available to local government.  I believe that some of these property owners are here this evening.  Tom Wardell and I would be pleased to answer any questions regarding the material before you. Thank you [end of text]
SMik continued: I wanted to lead off with that; know we have some speakers tonight who wd like to speak to the Register and germanely to those matters; end of my presentation and will answer any questions
Mayor: out of respect to the mbrs of the cmnty who are still here, wd like to ask speakers to come forward
Lorne Rubinoff: not used to speaking to ppl, I'm used to being in dialogue so this is relatively new to me; thought about I wanted to say; based on experience in my life -- at one point of my life, was one of the owners of Caper's
I remember the day American company wanted to buy us, I was the only one of the owners who said no, I don't want to; and we heard the words it wd be better, better for cmnty, better prices
My partner said yeah it will be, and we sold it to a good company called Wild Oats.
Mayor: can we talk about the heritage aspect b/c it's so late?
LR: how this is germane is, Caper's was eventually closed by Whole Foods about three months ago.  The cmnty lost something, lots of ppl have approached me, of huge significance never to be returned; how that applies to this present situation, what we're looking at, this is a cmnty that has a magical quality to it; some ppl will look at and immediately be able to explain, some will just feel it.
I have travelled extensively in NAm, and others have done the same; everybody always comes back here, and says, my God I don't even know why I travelled, this is the best: this is the best cmnty, in the best city, and we now have an opp to look at one of the reasons why, the reasons this is an amazing cmnty, and one of the reasons is there's a feeling of the magical aspects of roots of this cmnty, why it existed in first place, why it grew, and why exists
Caper's was taken away; if we don't preserve this aspect of our cmnty, it will be taken away; what will replace it is something like Whole Foods, wch is good, it's a good company, but it's not magical
that's for me what it's about; maintaining the magic of this cmnty
what heritage preservation is about is maintaining the magic connection, why we love it here, why ppl who come here now love it just the way it is, but those of us who have lived here a long time, say -- pls, pls pls, stop it, stop it, stop it, stop the destruction of what makes this cmnty so magic
in this moment in time, I'm saying stop it now; look at how precious it is what we have; really look at it, feel it.  That's what this is about.
Paul Merrick: I practise architecture in Lower Mainland and V Island
good fortune to be born in and grow up in WV, and live in WV for 60 years and so have some interest in the nature of the place
I thought I wd take the trouble to come and address your initiative tonight
v important to the M, and it's an important endeavour you're pursuing, and I'd like to applaud you for having undertaken it and asked staff for help already invested in moving this along
first observation is WV is really a v young place, the whole of the Pacific NorthWest is
it's only as old as three generations in any of our lifetimes; my grandfather who came here early in the century b/c he was the engineer on the ferry that brought ppl here, and I have a perspective that goes back as far as that
reflecting on today, is whether it is possible to and how to affect mechanisms in assist in the stewardship of maintaining things and aspects and characteristics that sometimes take the form of buildings, sometimes other aspects of the envmt that make the place, the place it is and engender the qualities that we all appreciate, value, and admire, and that need looking after
in our collective youth as a culture and as a society, just beginning to learn to do things that other countries may have had eight or ten or 12 centuries of stewardship and time to administer to the qualities we go visit and love and admire, and wonder how to facilitate ourselves; there may variously and v well be an interest in facilitating this stewardship, it does take and I wd encourage you to entertain mechanisms that might be offered individuals to assist indivs and cmnty to sustain, repair, and improve a state of physical circumstances that you might like to see
The world we live in has become so valued and so appreciated and that is reflected in the dollar values that our homes bring about, that it's harder all the time b/c of that to maintain a situation that attaches and recognizes value other than the monetary aspect of this thing we call real estate.
Mayor: thank you, and thank for your contribution to architecture in WV
John Mawson: good evening, almost good morning; have spoken to you on a number of times in WV
my wife and I are restoring a heritage house on Nelson and 26th
one of the things that drew us to WV, sense of nbrhd, the character many of our nbrhds have
election three years ago was in large measure fought around nbrhds
not antidevt, more pro nbrhd
Ccl responded to mandate it was given, to engage in a number of processes to explore nbrhd issues
nbrhd character, built form, density, how to keep seniors and families, and of course heritage, about wch we're here tonight
incredible diverse cmnty, staff input over past several years
echo earlier speaker, great deal to thank our staff mbrs for; love how ppl like Steve Mikicich maintain good humour in spite of workload
in the various consultation processes over the last few years, one of the themes has heritage structures and landscapes and how they anchor our nbrhds; two years ago Ccl endorsed this by the H Strategic Plan
The Register before you is really the first tangible result flowing from that H Strategic plan
even though first, it's an absolutely key one b/c it provides the gateway for homeowners, for the variety of M, prov, fed tools already available to support H revitalization here in WV
have no doubt Ccl will adopt the Heritage Register; will open the gate to access some of the tools; wd like you to consider going one step further
the next step, and I quote -- defining and implementing demonstration projects -- this wd allow demonstration of how tools can support H in WV
although not in resolution before you maybe a verbal comment in support of this next step wd encourage homeowners to others to start to think of some of the demonstration projects
that wd allow ppl to build on momentum already achieved and wd also demonstrate Ccl's political will to lead the way in supporting H revitalization here in WV.
VV made motion:
1.  The selection criteria, shown in Appendix 'A' to the report from the Sr. Community Planner, titled Community Heritage Register, dated May 30, 2008 be adopted as the basis for considering future additions to the WV Community Heritage Register;
2.  The list of 171 historic places nominated by the Heritage Working Group, shown in Appendix 'B' to the report from the Sr. Community Planner, titled Community Heritage Register, dated May 30, 2008 be received for information;
3.   The 'short list' of 33 historic places shown in Appendix 'C' to the report from the Sr. Community Planner, titled Community Heritage Register, dated May 30, 2008 be added to the West Vancouver Community Heritage Register, pursuant to Section 954 of the Local Government Act; and
4.   Staff consult with owners of the remaining 138 nominated places before recommending further additions to the West Vancouver Community Heritage Register for Council's consideration in the fall of 2008.
Mayor: I have one question, it's about incentives, that naturally are going to go with this, and point raised.
SMik: Register creates an eligibility list; official recognition by Ccl that these are resources we value
to employ any of the conservation incentive tools, required a resource be listed on HR, so that's the connection
Mayor: will you come back with report of what types of tools this Ccl may be willing to support?
SMik: yes, I shall
Mayor: thank you for your work.

{No doubt this is a great step after so many baby steps wrt heritage in WV.  The consultants produced a beautiful report.  One reason this consultant was chosen was not just his expertise but also the inclusion in his offer of training of staff and residents on how to write a Statement of Significance (SOS) so that such work on the Register cd continue without the necessity of always hiring a consultant.  The HWG and staff plus some citizens all worked on this project.
As you know, I was Chair of the Incentives Cmte (that report was given about a month ago) so I was a bit puzzled by the Mayor's question.  A whole list of 'tools/incentives' were provided and in my comments I explained specific/detailed measure/amounts were not provided b/c each situation wd be different so it wd need an exploration of the options to find what was appropriate.  The aim was to give a range and flexibility.  There are, however, some things that cd be set up separately by way of policy -- and I hope the HWG will meet to recommend that.  For example, with the buildup of a Heritage Fund, there cd be a policy of matching funds for maintenance -- this is important to prevent demolition from neglect.  (I've suggested a WV Heritage Fund for many years, and most recently as a percentage of Cmnty Benefits from Uplift as a result of upzoning.)
As to this list, fyi, the HWG did not see the recommendations/resolutions given to Ccl -- wch is unusual b/c the WG Guidelines presume the HWG meets and makes the recommendations (doesn't just work on a booklet).  Staff of course can make other or different or modified recommendations to Ccl (as was done in the case of the Amb Town Ctr).
The HWG also was not aware that not everyone whose address was listed had been informed.  As soon as I found out (a day or so before agenda came out), I asked that the item be deferred or the owners all immediately notified out of courtesy at least so before public at this mtg but apparently decision was made to go ahead anyway.    
Of course, we all want good relations wrt to heritage.  May I urge all residents to ask about or nominate heritage resources so that the Register can grow and we can keep in our cmnty the assets/character we value.  This is not just structures it's also trees, bluffs, oldgrowth stumps, wetlands, etc.  Streamkeepers are watching out for our creeks and Shoreliners are working on restoring the shore.  As the speaker above said, this is a magical place and we don't want it to lose its magic.
Sometime ago in speaking with a heritage consultant, the comment was made that unlike other cmnties, WV residents always mention the setting -- it's near and dear to them and cmnty surveys always put nbrhd character at the top.  One of the reasons I say the view is through the trees or framed by the trees -- so we retain our park-like peaceful green nbrhds......
As Voltaire concluded:  il faut cultiver le jardin.}

8.         Community Engagement Committee - Status Report (File:  0116-20-CEC)
1.  Council approve the amended Working Group Guidelines as attached, and
2.  Council direct the Community Engagement Committee to report back by October 2008 with a recommended approach regarding the following:
   -     Working Group Orientation Process
   -     How to evaluate and budget accordingly for adequate staff resources to support Working Groups, including distinguishing between senior staff facilitation and clerical staff administrative support
   -     Meeting space requirements for Working Groups and subgroups
   -     [Clarification of] the role of elected trustee and School District 45 staff in the Working Group Guidelines
3.  Council amend the Community Engagement Committee Terms of Reference to include the Chief Administrative Officer or his designate to the Committee.
Mayor: Alex Tunner is here, he's on our CEC cmnty, he's done an awful lot of work doing the research for this report; I'd like to give him the opp to speak if he likes.  As well, Carolanne Reynolds from the CEC is here.
{Kind of her to say so; there I was in the back corner plugged in typing away!}
AT: perhaps a few comments, not lengthy; if you want to ask a few questions....;
the CEC has been working to facilitate, assist, to get this whole system of WGs working
largely spearheaded with the citizens on the CEC
we've done an extensive review of process; spoken to all of the cclrs, staff liaisons, chairs; report substantially based on that; annual review will be on the website shortly
this was just Year One but a remarkable amt has been achieved
from cclrs, staff, and citizens; from feedback we have already received we have made amendments to the guidelines; clarify, address concerns; make refinements
elaborated WG process, pages 3 and 4, and added a chart to show process; annual review will be posted shortly; happy to answer any questions that you may have
VV: been unable to discover the diff, as it is now, between a WG and a Select Cmte of Ccl
when WGs began; in Feb 2007, said particularly Cmnty Charter requirements regarding cmtes do not apply to WGs as they are not appointed by Ccl
as I recollected our debates at time, if valid or not, b/c if the whole point of the WG escapes the provisions of the Cmnty Charter, then we've gone around in a bit whole bureaucratic circle to the document this evening wch says, mtgs shall be conducted in accordance with general ccl cmte policy, the ccl procedure bylaw, and the Cmnty Charter .
So I'm left with the question, that other than the M Clerk who provides notification to the public, agendas and minutes, but rather done by other staff, can't find any other distinction between a Select Cmte of Ccl and a WG. Have I missed something? is there another difference?
AT: speaking for the citizens who came on board in April of last year so weren't privy to discussions that took place previously
impression we have is that Ccl and Admin in its wisdom, supported by District's Ccl, determined shd be something like a WG; so if you like, this was the solution arrived at by ppl who are wiser than we are
{yup, Alex, way to go! ie, why are you asking me?  Ccl made the decision, we, the citizen subcmte, are just carrying it out!}
how to cross Burrard Inlet if you like, and this is the particular bridge that they chose, and so it's our job to make sure that this bridge is working;
{how can you tell this man is a PEng???}
and I think some of us did--
Mayor: --Mr Tunner, this is not, ah, while we have a ccl mtg; we app your input and the tremendous amt of work you've done to get us to the report
I think it's late; if Cclr V has a question then we can refer to our staff, and Ccl can debate this, but what I'd like to suggest, I didn't want to miss your presentation of the report, Ccl, we can either
deal with this tonight or refer to future agenda
Sop: defer; a lot of work has gone into both of these reports; examine what's taken place with these study groups
Mayor: date?
SSch: July 7
Mayor: July 7 then?
9.         Right of Way for Greater Vancouver Water District Water Mains over Municipal and Capilano View Cemetery Lands
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council approve the proposed statutory right of way and authorize execution by the Mayor and Clerk. -- WITHDRAWN
10.       Collingwood School (Wentworth Campus) - Clarification of Proposed New Parking Lot on 2560 Wentworth Avenue and Possible School Expansion
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report from the Manager of Community Planning dated June 3, 2008, regarding the proposed new parking lot for Collingwood School (Wentworth Campus) and possible school expansion be received for information.
11.       Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4550, 2008 (regarding 2560 Wentworth Avenue)
This bylaw received first reading on April 21, 2008.  The Public Hearing closed on May 28, 2008.
RECOMMENDED:  [three readings]
MS: discussion at second reading
VV: address residents there affecting properties; OCP; hoped better presentation, issue of much larger school; takes a little more time than we can cope with; defer to same date as Item 8
Mayor: this is purely about a parking lot
MS: ask applicant if time sensitive
Michael Rosen: yes, it is, Madam Mayor
VV: concerned we address; residents concerned but they're not here this evening; addressed by OCP than holding up parking lot; didn't wish to vote against this; but hoped better; future aspirations of a much larger school
Mayor: question before us is purely about the parking lot; back subsequent
SECOND READING CARRIES and so does third
Mayor: One last thing that I'm going to read and hope there'll be a cclr to support and second
rescission of Amb bylaw, hold special ccl mtg 6:45pm, June 16, at wch PH on June 16 be rescinded, and new motions for setting the date for new PH on July 7.
That helps with the flow of our agenda
[Down to only four; Sop has to leave for anything about Collingwood, so CARRIES with Mayor, JF and MS with VV opposed]
Motion to adjourn at 11:08
RESULTING in Correspondence, Reports, and PQP not being held.
The Mayor has apologized but readers will recall that former mayor Ron Wood made sure PQP was held so ppl waiting wd not be denied opportunity to speak (one way was having it before 10pm after wch a resolution is needed to continue; another was to extend for the 15 minutes allotted or till all spoke). It was a difficult mtg and the Mayor had told, as you read above, some of the ppl at the end of the Hugo Ray Park item that PQP was at the end, thus complicating things even more. 
The rest of the agenda is in the previous issue of WVM, and will surely appear in the next agenda.

=== CCL AGENDAS June 16th === 

2.         Proposed Ambleside Bylaw - Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004, Amendment Bylaw No. 4543, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4543)
Deferred from the June 9, 2008 Council Meeting.
RECOMMENDED: THAT the following Council resolutions of May 26, 2008 be rescinded:
"THAT the opportunities provided for consultation on a proposed Ambleside Official Community Plan amendment, with persons, organizations and authorities as outlined in the May 16, 2008 report from the Associate Director of Major Projects, be endorsed as sufficient consultation for the purposes of Section 879 of the Local Government Act.
THAT Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004, Amendment Bylaw No. 4543, 2008, as attached to the report from the Associate Director of Major Projects dated May 16, 2008, be introduced and read a first time in short form.
THAT OCP Bylaw No. ... has been [sic] considered in conjunction with the District's most recent financial plan and the regional waste management plan.
THAT OCP Bylaw No. ... and Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4544, 2008 be presented at a Public Hearing on Monday, June 16, 2008...."
THAT opportunities provided for consultation on a proposed Ambleside Official Community Plan amendment, with persons, organizations and authorities as outlined in the May 16, 2008 report from the Associate Director of Major Projects be endorsed as sufficient consultation for the purposes of Section 879 of the Local Government Act.
THAT Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004, Amendment Bylaw  No. 4543, 2008, as attached to the report from the Director, Planning, Lands and Permits dated June 5, 2008 be introduced and read a first time in short form.
THAT OCP Amendment Bylaw... as attached to the report from the Director, Planning, Lands and Permits dated June 5, 2008 has been [sic] considered in conjunction with the District's most recent financial plan and the regional waste management plan.
THAT Official Community Plan Amendment Bylaw... be presented at a Public Hearing to be held Monday, July 7 at 7pm in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.
THAT Notification of the Monday, July 7, 2008 Public Hearing on "Official Community Plan Bylaw No. 4360, 2004, Amendment Bylaw No. 4543, 2008 and Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4544, 2008" be provided by way of:
(a)       publishing the notice pursuant to Section 892 of the Local Government Act; and
(b)       additional notice also being provided to owners and occupiers of lots shown on Attachment A to the report dated June 5, 2008 from the Director, Planning, Lands and Permits.
2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES  --  June 2, 2008 Regular Council Minutes
3.         P. Baxter regarding Keep Well Society of the North Shore (File:  0120-01)
4.         Annual Report 2007 and Related Bylaws
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council receive for approval the printed Annual Report for the year ended
December 31, 2007.
RECOMMENDED: THAT "2007 Annual Budget Amendment Bylaw No. 4561, 2008" be introduced
and read a first, second, and third time.
RECOMMENDED: THAT "Endowment Reserve Fund Expenditure Bylaw No. 4562, 2008" be introduced and read a first, second, and third time.
RECOMMENDED: THAT "Youth Activity Reserve Fund Expenditure Bylaw No. 4563, 2008" be introduced and read a first, second, and third time.
5.         Community Centre Quarterly Update - Volume VII - May 23, 2008 (File:  3002-04)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report from the Deputy Director, Parks & Community Services be received for information.
6.         Future Use of Fire Hall No. 2 Site (Lots 2, 3 & 4 - 6520 & 6540 Marine Drive) (File:  0510-18)
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council direct staff to prepare zoning bylaws to allow for the construction of three single family homes, with design controls and limited floor area, at Lots 2, 3 & 4 - 6520 and 6540 Marine Drive.
7.         Solid Waste Bylaw No. 4118, 1998, Amendment Bylaw No. 4511, 2008 - Bear Abatement Measures
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated May 23, 2008 from the Manager of Parks & Environment and the Manager of Bylaw & Licencing [sic] Services regarding Solid Waste Bylaw No. 4118, 1998, Amendment Bylaw No. 4511, 2008 be received for information.
RECOMMENDED: THAT Solid Waste Bylaw No. 4118, 1998, Amendment Bylaw No. 4511, 2008 be read a first, second and third time.
8.         Road Closure and Removal of Highway Dedication Bylaw No. 4548, 2008 adjacent to 3580 Westmount Court (File:  1610-20-4548/0510-04)
RECOMMENDED:  read a first, second, and third time.
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council direct staff to issue notice of Road Closure and Removal of Highway Dedication Bylaw No. 4548, 2008 setting July 21, 2008 as the deadline for written and oral submissions.
9.         Bill 7 - Local Government Statutes Amendment Act 2008 regarding Amendments to Election Provisions in the Local Government Act
RECOMMENDED: THAT Staff prepare amendments to the General Local Elections Regulations Bylaw to:
(a)              establish mail ballot voting;
(b)              establish additional public access to nomination documents;
(c)              establish additional public access to campaign financing disclosures;
(d)              change one of the advance voting opportunities to be held on the fifth day, instead of the fourth day, before general voting day.
10.       Change to Council Meeting Schedule (File:  0120-01)
1. a Special Council Meeting be scheduled for Wednesday, June 18, 2008 at 9:00 am in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber;
2. the July 14, 2008 Council Workshop be changed to a Special Council meeting to be held at 7:00 pm in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.
Bylaws are passed by a simple majority affirmative vote unless otherwise noted. 
11.       Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4550, 2008; and Development Permit Application No. 08-012 (2560 Wentworth Avenue - Collingwood School Wentworth Campus)
This bylaw received first reading on April 21, 2008 and second and third readings on June 9, 2008.  The Public Hearing closed on May 28, 2008.
RECOMMENDED:  bylaw be adopted //  RECOMMENDED:  Devt Permit be issued.
12.      Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
=B7 Item 13 - Right of Way for Greater Vancouver Water District Water Mains over Municipal and Capilano View Cemetery Lands
=B7 Item 14 - Appointment of Acting Mayor for June 18, 2008 - July 2, 2008
=B7 Item 15 - Correspondence List.
13.       Right of Way for Greater Vancouver Water District Water Mains over Municipal and Capilano View Cemetery Lands; Deferred from the June 9, 2008 Council Meeting.
        RECOMMENDED:  THAT Council approve and authorize execution by the Mayor and Clerk.
14.       Appointment of Acting Mayor for June 18 - July 2; Deferred from the June 9, 2008 Council Meeting.
RECOMMENDED:  THAT Councillor Day be appointed Acting Mayor for June 18, 2008 - July 2, 2008.
Correspondence received up to May 31, 2008 (deferred from the June 9, 2008 Council Meeting)
Requests for Delegation -- No items presented.
Action Required
(1)               May 29, 2008, regarding West Vancouver Police and Mental Health
        Referred to Director of Administrative Services for consideration and response.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(2)               Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) West Vancouver Memorial Library Board - April 16, 2008
(3)               S. Clark, Program Officer, Union of British Columbia Municipalities, May 20, 2008, regarding 2008 West Nile Virus Risk Reduction Initiative Application
(4)               S. Clark, Program Officer, Union of British Columbia Municipalities, May 20, 2008, regarding 2007 West Nile Virus Prevention - Final Report
(5)               102 E-Mails regarding Hugo Ray Park (5.1 - 5.102)
(6)               10 Letters regarding Hugo Ray Park (6.1 - 6.10)
(7)               10 Letters regarding West Vancouver Police Department Amalgamation (7.1 - 7.10)
(8)               May 25, 2008 regarding Maintenance of Capilano View Cemetery
(9)               Honourable M. Jaffer, Q.C., May 21, 2008, regarding World Malaria Day
(10)          Honourable I. Chong, Minister of Community Services and Minister Responsible for Seniors' and Women's Issues, regarding June 15, 2008 -  World Elder Abuse Awareness Day
        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(10.1)  246 E-Mails regarding Hugo Ray Park
Responses to Correspondence
(11)          B.A. Dozzi, Manager, Roads and Transportation, May 22, 2008, reply regarding Taylor Way at Highway 1 - Median Landscaping
(12)          K. Pike, Director, Parks and Community Services, May 21, 2008, reply regarding Ambleside Special Events - Smoke, Traffic and Neighbourhood Impacts
Responses to Questions in Question Period -- No items presented.
Correspondence received up to June 6, 2008
Requests for Delegation -- No items presented.
Action Required
(13)          E. Guy, June 4, 2008, Strata Corporation VR835, regarding Proposed Ambleside Bylaws
        Referred to Director of Planning, Lands and Permits for consideration and response.
(13.1)  June 5, 2008, regarding District Business Practices and Remuneration
        Referred to Director of Finance for consideration and response.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(14)          13 items regarding Proposed Ambleside Bylaws (14.1 - 14.13)
(15)          K. Thompson, Ministry of Environment, regarding Living Water Smart:  A Plan For Water Sustainability
(16)          L. Darcus, City of Pitt Meadows, regarding Tobacco Sales and Smoking in Public Places
(17)          D. Sutcliffe, E-Comm Board of Directors, regarding Annual General Meeting
        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(18)          Honourable B. Penner, Minister of Environment, June 4, 2008 regarding British Columbia Air Action Plan
        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(19)          June 6, 2008, regarding Fiscal Restraint and Campaign Promises
Responses to Correspondence  --  No items presented.
Responses to Questions in Question Period  --  No items presented.

===   NEWSWATCH   === 
* ZIMBABWE -- inflation about 160,000% but some say closer to 1,000,000%.
* GAZA -- good news of rumours of a ceasefire (in recent months killed: 600 Palestinians; 1 Israeli).
* COLOMBIA -- (from CPT): Pray for those displaced by the continuing armed conflict in Colombia. Up to 4 million have fled their homes, comparable to the levels of displacement in Iraq and Sudan.
===   GARDENWATCH   ===
A Reader sent this link after a recent visit to Prince Charles's Highgrove: http://www.treehugger.com/files/2008/06/a-visit-to-highgrove-garden.php
(No Charles or Camilla sightings though!)
===   BOOKWATCH   === 
***  'A Romance on Three Legs' by KATIE HAFNER; reviewed by Emma Brockes                        [http://www.nytimes.com/2008/06/15/books/review/Brockes-t.html?8bu&emc=bua2]
A biography of Glenn Gould, his tuner and the piano they both cared for.  Loved the quotation:
"in the early 20th century, piano tuners outnumbered members of any other trade in English insane asylums."
*** Bottlemania: How Water Went on Sale and Why We Bought It'
        by ELIZABETH ROYTE; reviewed by Lisa Margonelli        
Royte asks why Americans spend billions on bottled water when they can guzzle tap water for next to nothing.
*** 118 Days: Christian Peacemaker Teams held hostage in Iraq
Christian Peacemaker Teams (CPT) has announced the 5 June 2008 release of 118 Days: Christian Peacemaker Teams held hostage in Iraq, a book about the hostage crisis endured by the organization and its team members in Iraq, beginning in November 2005. Editor Tricia Gates Brown has compiled chapters written by members of CPT and CPT sympathizers actively involved with securing the release of Harmeet Singh Sooden, Jim Loney, Tom Fox, and Norman Kember, as well as by family, friends, and others whom the crisis profoundly affected.
{Cdns except for Tom Fox.} For other information about the book, including cover material and excerpts, see http://www.118days.org.  CPT deploys teams to advocate for peace in conflict zones around the world, including Colombia, Palestine, Iraq, and Indigenous communities in North America.  Contact: Tim Nafziger: timn@cpt.org, 773-277-0253, or cell 312-505-7461
***  'De Niro's Game' by RAWI HAGE wins literary prize (IMPAC)         
As soon as I heard that Rawi Hage (Lebanese Cdn) had just been awarded the $150K literary prize (G and I read the book a while ago; see WVM2007-01), I googled:
=  Montreal writer Rawi Hage wins IMPAC literary prize for 'De Niro's ... - 7 hours ago
The judges praised "De Niro's Game" as "an eloquent, forthright and at times beautifully written first ... He was last there in 2006 with "De Niro's Game. ...  The Canadian Press - 101 related articles =BB
        See:  http://canadianpress.google.com/article/ALeqM5goKVI-CGYN-wPm5j9utjvr_VUJEg
= Anansi.ca: titles -- See: http://www.anansi.ca/titles.cfm?pub_id=593
Told in the voice of Bassam, De Niro's Game is a beautiful, ... De Niro's Game discloses much to a Canadian audience largely sheltered from the physical and ... www.anansi.ca/titles.cfm?pub_id=593
= Amazon.ca: De Niro's Game: Rawi Hage: Books
"There is but one truly serious philosophical problem, and that is suicide."
In Rawi Hage's astonishing and unforgettable novel, this famous [quotation] by Camus becomes a touchstone for two young men caught in Lebanon's civil war. Bassam and George are childhood best friends who have grown to adulthood in wartorn Beirut. Now they must choose their futures: .......
{Your Editor's Note: Rather puzzling that quotation is associated with Camus (who died about 1960 in a car accident) in this review, when he's really agreeing with Shakespeare ~400 years ago through Hamlet: "To be or not to be, that is the question."  Indeed, we have that choice every moment.  It is, however, easier to answer than 'how' we want to be.}
===  LANGUAGE  ===
+  Bees Learn New Languages Easily:
+  Poetry as Punishment:
+  Congress Debates Merits Of New Catchphrase:
absolutely pronkingly pronkificent!
Dick Cheney and President Bush are having breakfast at the White House. 
The attractive waitress asks Cheney what he would like and he replies, 'I'd like a bowl of oatmeal and some fruit.'
'And what can I get for you, Mr. President?'
George W. looks up and replies with his trademark wink and slight grin, 'How about a quickie this morning?'
'Why, Mr. President!' the waitress exclaims, 'how rude! You're starting to act like President Clinton.' And the waitress storms away.
Cheney leans over to Bush and whispers, 'George, it's pronounced 'Keesh'.
It's that time of year again.  The end of the school year and that means report cards.  This was sent to me as a selection:
These are actual comments made on students' report cards by teachers in the New York City public school system.
  1.  Since my last report, your child has reached rock bottom and has started to dig.
  2.  I would not allow this student to breed.
  3.  Your child has delusions of adequacy.
  4.  Your son is depriving a village somewhere of an idiot.
  5.  Your son sets low personal standards and then consistently fails to achieve them.
  6.  The student has a "full six-pack" but lacks the plastic thing to hold it all together.
  7.  This child has been working with glue too much.
  8.  When your daughter's IQ reaches 50, she should sell.
  9.  The gates are down, the lights are flashing, but the train isn't coming.
  10. If this student were any more stupid, he'd have to be watered twice a week.
  11. It's impossible to believe the sperm that created this child beat out 1,000,000 others.
  12. The wheel is turning but the hamster is definitely dead.

===   QUOTATIONS   ===

If names are not correct, language will not be in accordance with the truth of things.
                        -- Confucius/K'ung-fu-tzu/Kongfuzi (551 - 479 BC)

In words are seen the state of mind and character and disposition of the speaker.
                        -- Plutarch, biographer and philosopher (circa 46 - 120)

The whole art of teaching is only the art of awakening the natural curiosity of young minds for the purpose of satisfying it afterwards.
                        -- Anatole France, novelist, essayist, Nobel laureate (1844 - 1924)

Even if you do learn to speak correct English, whom are you going to speak it [with]?
                        -- Clarence Darrow, American lawyer (1857 - 1938)

This is my living faith, an active faith, a faith of verbs: to question, explore, experiment, experience, walk, run, dance, play, eat, love, learn, dare, taste, touch, smell, listen, argue, speak, write, read, draw, provoke, emote, scream, sin, repent, cry, kneel, pray, bow, rise, stand, look, laugh, cajole, create, confront, confound, walk back, walk forward, circle, hide, and seek. To seek: to embrace the questions, be wary of answers.
                        -- Terry Tempest Williams, naturalist and author (b. 1955)

The only nice thing about being imperfect is the joy it brings to others.
                        -- Doug Larson, English racer (1902 - 1981)

Mae West (1893 - 1980):  I speak two languages, Body and English.

:-) Section:
Cole's Law: Thinly sliced cabbage.
Shin: A very sensitive device for finding furniture in the dark.
For people who like peace and quiet: a phoneless cord.
Never try to out-stubborn a cat.
If the cops arrest a mime, do they tell him he has the right to remain silent?

        Yours thoughtfully,
             Carolanne Reynolds * Editor, West Van Matters; t 926 8649, f 484 5992; www.westvan.org