IN THIS ISSUE:

MAIN ITEMS July 28th: Rodgers Crk PH and then to third reading during ccl mtg that follows (bet there'll be another mtg to adopt if the PH is closed!); NB: calculation re Uplift and CBs rather controversial -- who believes that one unit is worth the same as two units even if same sq ftg???; Amb as well as 445 13th Bylaws for adoption; Wetmore site possibilities, according to Planning Dept; Motions aka workplan for Finance Cmte; lots of Correspondence........

=  Vive le Canada; from the EDITOR'S DESK; FOODWATCH; THEATREWATCH; UPDATES; WEBWATCH; NEWSWATCH

=  CALENDAR to August 5th and a bit later (check for changes and updates)

=  Ccl NOTES July 21st: PUBLIC HEARINGS: 445-13th 7pm; Ambleside Town Ctr 7:30pm [Hearings closed]; Ccl Mtg: Amb Town Ctr; DVP 6460 Rosebery; Cmnty Sport WG Interim Report; HBay Firehall Site; Park Exchange Caulfeild Plateau (Martin Corp) -- you have to write to object!; Cmnty Ctr Loan Authorization (info supplied only at mtg); Fees and Charges for Fire and Rescue Permits and Services; Bylaws for Adoption (Solid Waste Utility; Election; Voting; Water Utility Loan Authorization; Road Closure (nbr buys M land for $200K); Ambulance Stn 1542 Fulton; Correspondence (Traffic Safety; see letter 5 re sale of M land figs; Ambleside; Spirit Trail)

=  Haiku; Quotations; look for RoyalTea-by-the-Sea (attached or separate)

July 27 marks the 55th anniversary of the Korean War Armistice.  Canadian troops were part of the UN force.

...the old order changeth yielding place to new, and God fulfils himself in many ways.....

ah, yes, cdn't help thinking of Tennyson writing about King Arthur....

An exciting time for WV -- A new Dir/Planning, Bob Sokol, in March; a new CAO, Grant McRadu in May; the Fire Chief, Jeff Oates, leaves the end of July; Rick Beauchamp, Dir/Admin Services leaves in August; and Kevin Pike, Dir/Parks, at end of year -- not to mention an election in November.

A Catalonian chef, Ferran Adia, is considered the world's or Europe's best chef and now is challenged:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/7523963.stm

...one dish ... is a gently liquefied tea soup, with tiny jasmine and eucalyptus flowers floating on it, like water lilies.   {-- but rice krispies paella???}

===   THEATREWATCH   ===  Shakespeare -- who else in the summer???

+  From the NYT, here's a review of Jess Winfield's book called, Will I am (publishing date July 27).

http://theater2.nytimes.com/2008/07/27/books/review/Schillinger-t.html?pagewanted=1

An excerpt:

Reading the review led me to watch Hamlet (done in under a minute, clickable in the article

http://papercuts.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/07/25/a-midsummer-days-dream/)

and from there I watched R & J in thirty seconds, Othello done in Rap, and all 16 of Shakespeare's comedies done as one on an IKEA ferry.

Bardheads -- Enjoy!

+  Speaking of the Bard, tix to Bard on the Beach going fast.  C's potted guide: The Tempest tops b/c of creativity, acting, and original composition (Tempest Trio, live on stage); Twelfth Night nudging Tempest b/c v funny;  the rarely performed Titus Andronicus for those not afraid of gore lifted from total depression; and then King Lear for an unusual interpretation.

A Reader enquired about the uncertain status of the Ambleside concession.   The Director of Parks has indicated that complications related to the transition from the previous concessionaire to an interim operator pending future plans for the Ambleside concession/restaurant facility unfortunately delayed the opening. Parks says it is now open.

o  Update on Fisherman's Cove Fuel Distribution Float

o  Forest Fire Danger Rating: The warmer weather is moving the Forest Fire Danger Rating to High

** US man charged for shooting mower **  A man in the US state of Wisconsin is arrested after shooting his lawn mower because it would not start. <http://news.bbc.co.uk/go/em/fr/-/2/hi/americas/7526628.stm >

+  NASA's 50th anniversary July 27  +  Zimbabwe's inflation over 2.2M%?  +

Gallery at the Library presents...   June 2 to July 31

        Photographs: Recent work by Rob Will, Laura Clark, Michelle Demers, and Roman Kralovic.

Fridays -- 10:30 - noon -- English Corner -- Practise English conversation. Every Friday, from now until August 30. Elizabeth Musto Room. For info call: Fariba Rocker, 604 506 6616.

Harmony Showcase Exhibition --  August 1 - 17 --  Mixed Media Exhibition; 30 artists

+++ SILK PURSE +++  (1570 Argyle) www.silkpurse.ca

You now can book online and pay by credit card!

Fiona Spalding-Smith presents in the BC Museum of Mining's Machine Shop an art exhibit called Buddha's Eye -- Reflections on the Rocks of Hornby Island. This is a collection of 31 abstract photographs of the coastal rocks of British Columbia. Fiona says "I've always thought of rocks as ancient architecture of the world. Natural structures have been here since time immemorial and as our oldest witnesses they have a lot to say. Rock formations have always fascinated me and since childhood I have been on an endless quest to find new discoveries in stone.

Copper & Fire will "showcase dynamic treasures of the earth" through interactive exhibits and art demonstrations such as copper sculpting, glass shaping, pottery, jewellery making, blacksmithing -- all activities that require fire or metal to create fine treasures. Event sponsorship includes EPCOR, AMEBC and Northwest Landscape and Stone Supply plus grant support from the SLRD and Department of Canadian Heritage.

This year, The Men of the Deeps the world-renowned choir of working and retired Cape Breton, Nova Scotia coal miners will perform at the BC Museum of Mining in the historic Mill #3 building after Copper and Fire. The concert is made possible through BC150 and Teck Cominco.

"BC150 is about celebrating all of the things that set British Columbia apart -- our cultural diversity, achievement and the strength of our communities -- and this chorus of coal miners is a fitting addition to BC150," said Tourism, Sport, and the Arts Minister Stan Hagen. "From coal mines to copper mines, large-scale operations to historical mining communities, British Columbia's mining industry is an important part of our collective history and deserves to be remembered and celebrated."

The Vancouver-based diversified mining company Teck Cominco is matching the Province's $50,000 in funding for the Men of the Deeps tour. Teck Cominco is also funding the production of a video, Mining in British Columbia: Its History and Its Future, which will precede each performance, offering audiences a glimpse into the contributions the mining industry has made to British Columbia's history and how the industry is moving forward in a community-focused, sustainable manner.

For Tickets call 1-604-815-4073 or Toll Free 1-866-640-9881

Adults/Seniors $35.00; Students (16 and Under) $20.00; Tix are available at the BC Museum of Mining Gift Shop

Mayor: no one on sign-up list; anyone in gallery wishing to speak? [Called three times; no one]

[CARRIES with VV and Sop opposed; 7:11]

Mayor (b/c next PH won't start until 7:30): we've got 20 minutes before the next PH; let's move to the ccl mtg

{Go to Ccl Mtg, Items 1 - 3, 12 - 16}

RD: adding to 4 and 5, and 6; item 10 LoanAuth Bylaw; new item  11.1; item 13, 19.1 to Corresp List

Dr K McL:... info about this program; NV, want to bring to WV

as a doctor saw 30 patients wrt heart over weekend

ppl count on medication but need to improve fitness; fat doesn't mean not fit

link with rec ctrs; hope funding neutral

NV hired kinesiologist for $50K but recouped $45K so cost was about $2500 each for CNV and DNV; and we cd get that down

not asking for a specific dollar; if support this sort of programming, if DWV staff receptive as other Ms, wd be support to do that

want to get some Ccl mbrs to come through for their own assessmts.

[VV moved thanks]

Mayor: refer to Mr Pike's staff

JF: and to new Cmnty Ctr

Mayor: move to Item 12

12.       Solid Waste Utility Bylaw No. 4118, 1998, Amendment Bylaw No. 4511, 2008  DONE

RD: move this be rescinded; move further amended according to report July 18 xxxx

14.       Automated Vote Counting System Authorization and Procedure Bylaw No. 4139, 1999, Amendment Bylaw No. 4572, 2008 DONE

VV: moved adoption

Mayor: adjourn ccl mtg to be reconvened after PH on Amb

7:28

7:30: Cclr Clark withdrew b/c of perceived conflict of interest

Sokol: Ccl requested further information[slide with nine points]; hand over to Colette Parsons

CP: 14th and Clyde parking lot

Village Sq: retain parking lot to ensure continuous parking for VSq.

Masonic is CU4 zone now, can be cmnty use, daycare, etc; one to west is a 12-storey tower, and across, a power station.  Real challenge.  Felt Ccl might consider five storeys; at Ccl's discretion cd accept or reject when time came asking for rezoning; recommend a view analysis.

ppl spoke from Wedgewood Terrace on Duchess and there's quite a grade drop, 35ft, so cd be 55ft so cd accommodate; proposed we reconfirm BFC4.10 and view analysis.

Town Square in first concept but through discussions and with adjacent nbrs, withdrew it.

The proposed OCP bylaws read in June did not include any mention of a town square

Ccl reaffirm that a town square not be included at 14th and Marine

Parking was brought up [slide v hard to read]; did some work with Bunt & Assoc as to what we need for the area; wanted to ensure in street design, items specific to parking.  This is BFC4.8 last three bullets (but they don't come out v clearly).

Special Sites -- will turn over to Bob

Sokol: three; confusion about these

chosen for three reasons: 60Ksf or larger; strategic positions; under one ownership or one xxx

80Ksf is C2Commercial CR2Commercial -- former gas stn, police stn

60Ksf, C2Comm larger the Village Sq

1600block 60Ksf, zoned C2 Comm -- existing Safeway store; zoning will remain until someone comes forward; anyone who came forward wd hv to go through a DP process; staff is not aware of any plans for these sites; BFC4 process -- have to come forward wrt 1.75 being proposed for Amb.

what is proposed, amenities, parking; gallery space; Ccl wd decide whether or not to move forward.

xxx in sync with public receiving

public amenities wd be negotiated

take up to a year to complete; public notice min of 100 metres; public input

CP: 1590 Bellevue; owner requested a change from Comm to AC2 zone wch allows for greater residential, in fact all residential.  When considering this we fell back on our old OCP policies.  One was to strengthen the connections between waterfront and comm; keep comm on xxx that we don't have enough of

John Lawson Park to west, then Silk Purse and Music Box

Staff saw opp for commercial xxx; reaffirm

Height: some concern expressed July 7

where is four-storey possible? limited situations; we have certain criteria 120ft wide front 14400sf or greater and a grade change from front to back, min of 8ft

looked at all sites and cd only find one that fitted[sic] that description

currently only one that fits; aware cd consolidate to meet that criteria

small sites with a lot of small owners; not nec consolidate quickly but anticipate some

2004 when OCP brought fwd, concern about providing certainty to cmnty; biz and prop owners

some came out of Hollyburn Med Bldg

[7:50pm]  two conditions: typical two to three storey (slides showing side view)

Overhead Wires: concern; clarified with gentleman who made comment

really along rlwy track; in 1988 with beautification most were underground, some initial work by Engg wrt cost.  It's about $1000 a metre to underground, it's really a transmission line, 3/4km so that's $750K

consider a modification to the policy C 4.8 add a bullet ensure that future devts consider the issue of undergrounding as part of a benefit package.  That wd be a change

Lastly, the 1800block

kind of unique street; sgl fam resid abut immediately across the lane

even-numbered houses on south side of Duchess; main floor 3 or 4ft above lane level except at eastern end where it's 8ft

views are already impacted by waterfront resid towers part of the high rise area; they get peekaboo views; they were requesting some things from Ccl

This [slide] is of the area; alternative proposal to setback from lane

add'l setback of 4ft; when residents came in they requested 10ft at the land first and 20ft at the second storey; staff is supportive of that

modify the rear setback, to 10ft at first storey and 20ft at second -- so staff recommends that

Sop: why not concession in the 13, 14, 15, 1600 blocks -- those are residents, why not same consideration of reduction

Sokol: in general ground floor living space, in multifam lobby, parking

Sop: that's debatable

Mayor: but not with staff

JF: wrt increase in setbacks, but that doesn't change FAR?

CP: yes, stays same; when looking at concept brought fwd by residents, one concern b/c density not changing, someone might try to maximize density on lane frontage; under zoning cd build zero lot line to zero lot line, cd; so felt better to push mass a bit higher, then deal with view issues

5.         PUBLIC INPUT [8:03]

Rob Harrington (owner of West Van Florist): am going to read my submission

a little bit of misinformation -- mentioned that WVF is for sale, it is not.

still in a little shock that after all the input, WG, reports, studies, still have to defend to Ccl.

mandates to create sustainable nbrhds

WV Ccl does not...  look out

urban sprawl is out, sustainability is in

balance between nature, ppl, and the economy; can't be sustained without all these three

hoping for a new beginning; four-storey bldgs an absolute minimum

need for far more density; yet July 7 xxxxxx

not a time to play politics, need to .... best for cmnty

little change for decades;  plan...  need a home....  ppl are the cornerstone of .....

Amb shd have it all but it doesn't; b/c it lacks customers

49500sf the north side is .... road to revit;  homes and amenities for

urge Ccl to vote yes; any result downzoning vehemently opposed

> Randy Wong of Vancouver: {biz} 1849 Marine

need high quality ...tenants not just PkR; Amb on Pk R; old tired and worn out....

ev currently leaves, for shopping, noise,.... pollution air noise congestion 8:10

walk increase health, better cmnty see each other more

join 21st century; needs quality stuck back in I love Lucy, ..... and My Favourite Martian

if views, nothing wd be built, including homes

M Hall built here affected the view of nbring residents

apts complain but they block others' views so not reasonable for them to complain

revit core, create a sense of cmnty; self-sustaining; is Amb?  No

don't provide quality and depth of goods Amb required

current 1950s quality .... financially unattractive, revit won't happen

1300 to 1800 do not serve Amb fully so downsizing to 1500/1700 serve them less

ask AC2 zoning for 1800 block be passed unchanged

> David Thomas: live at Monteverdi; four storeys where appropriate like my friend Randy, some props from Perry Mason

Mayor: you're addressing Ccl actually

DT, laying out 2 by 4s, varying lengths: this is the ground floor -- a wood bldg by the way, this is the second floor

one bldg on one side, and one on the other

Mayor: excuse me, you're addressing Ccl

DT: pardon me.  [Thud, bump, thud. Moving wood pieces]  So you have a three-storey bldg, lane to lane [more bldg blocks, stepping up]

instead of have gardens here and here and view corridors, so bldg looks better; light and private space

Cclr Sop asked if effect on view and shadowing and if I cd point out -- on this slide you can see 12-storey bldg, this is on Google earth, shadow on lane, and this four-storey bldg hardly seen crosses the lane

get a better looking bldg and virtually little shadowing or view

> Alan Shapiro:  realtor, here wrt Hollyburn Funeral Home

expressing objections; it's a downzoning of their prop and even though not looking to redevt wd affect relocating; North side of 1800 shd not be treated differently from

> Linda Sherwood: live on Duchess; presentation on behalf of myself and two nbrs

feel uncomfortable responding on this on behalf of nbrs.....

am requesting this portion of the agenda be postponed to Sept so nbrs can comment

we are in support of revit of Amb

consideration of surrounding residents as well

app the time and flexibility Ccl and staff have shown in consideration of Duchess and XXXX nbrhd

pleased wrt setback N side of MDrive as requested

refers to Hollyburn Medical xxx ;  wd hv bn unacceptable

secondly accept analysis wrt FAR and sloping sites, box-like wd not be tolerable to us nor wd it be aesthetically plsing to rest of cmnty

pg 8 of see [C?] section A

to assure .... whether superior design been achieved.... views strategic views

we have been assured today by DWV staff that xxx

assume Option 2 will include a reference to .... criteria, BFC4.1

our main concern: light and privacy not dealt with in xxx shd be included in the evaluation criterion

further we want to be included.... in future design mtgs wrt 1800, landscaping on lane, structures on roof, etc

> Peter Morley: live on Duchess; speak in support of Linda's request delay until rest of residents have heard, why four wd be better than three for residents

loss of privacy and looming bldgs

a number of ppl were away and I was away until 4pm this afternoon; another resident is in France an back next week; delay until at least Colette Parsons cd meet, not particularly against but wd like to understand it

> Mary Sherrett: live on Fulton; wd like to summarize my letter

wd like to adjourn to Sept; shd WV shut down b/c ppl go away in summer?

info available for some time

completely nec to postpone all biz b/c summer; thank you for

interested in opinions last Monday

value character and charm -- look at my 1940s home to

to maintain need to xxxx

sometimes a fresh start needed; not a Rodeo Drive

in current state has failed to reach potential; clear improvement on existing bylaws

> Keith Pople: Director of ADRA and PWV but the comments tonight are my own.

Amb Village a key component of our cmnty; low profile bldgs, [sunlit] streets, proximity to waterfront; distinguishes it from rest of GVRD.

favoured location for many civic events; bldgs showing their age and something shd be done to revit the area; remember we've got something v special, shd be done with grt deal of care

The OCP recommendations are approp; reduce vacancy rates, etc however rezoning recommendations appear to permit zoning wch wd radically alter sunlight, low profile of the village' these cd allow even larger than those across from Cap Mall; visualize these lining both sides of street from 13th to 18th

ADRA's mbrship survey; had many mtgs; conclusion, bldg height shd be limited to two storeys on S side and three on N (not three on S and four on N as allowed in proposed amendments).

Many successful biz areas with these limitations, such as Cornwall, Robson, Edgemont av one and a half).  Openness and sunlight.  Monster bldgs like monster houses are inhospitable.

One, two, and occasional three in above areas, surely we don't need four in Amb.

Zoning amendment shd be amended to two on S and three on N; and make sure adeq parking for add'l residential anticipated.

> Dr Rob Scott:  need for a multidisciplinary ctr n WV and we're looking for a location.

Romanow Commission recommendation pooling resources of medical talent in one location.

BC Ministry of Health went further, IHNs -- Integrated Health Networks

A group of us as family doctors have interest in a WV Medical Ctr, all family doctors and wd include specialists, a men's health clinic, a women's health clinic, a skin care clinic; a PET-scan group interested; a private MRI interested; maybe an OR; problem trying to address, getting together to deal with chronic disease mgmt.

{Chairs blocked way} Difficult to get up here; will try to read my notes.

Mayor: address?

CR (of WVM): Ste 300, 1497 Marine Dr

Please accept my request for more information

What I'd like more clarification on please, is it a blanket rezoning, an FAR increase.

Thank you v much for your consideration.

> Frank Rutter [text supplied]:

Thank you, Madam Mayor, members of Council, Ladies & Gentlemen. I am  Frank Rutter of 740 Burley Drive. And I am  disappointed with the report from staff we have tonight. I believe staff have not properly considered major concerns expressed on July 7 and certainly not acted on them. The changes proposed in the report --  there are really only two -- are minuscule tinkering. No major change is suggested. The two big concerns in Ambleside in my opinion are height of buildings   and traffic management. Neither is adequately addressed. There remain three select sites plus the Masonic Hall excluded from general zoning provisions. There remain loopholes big enough to drive a five-storey building through - maybe even much bigger. The only suggestion - not a recommendation -  from staff is that maybe a 4-storey allowance be removed from the zoning bylaw and put in the OCP  -  that's worse! - even more flexible, meaning potentially even more exceptions. Staff  assert they know of no proposals to consolidate building sites - but there jolly well soon will be I can assure you and I know of one.  As for traffic in my opinion there should be a moratorium on any major development until there is a sensible, comprehensive and environmentally sound traffic plan. I also believe   that it would be better  to have a single zone with fully defined rules that will not be altered to suit any applicant for redevelopment or any site for nonconformity. We must have a coherent, friendly, community core where people come first and history and heritage are preserved. Thank you.

heard we must grow, we must change -- says who?  devprs? architects who do biz, want more density, that's who

Tools and Techniques was mentioned going out of biz, hinted b/c of less traffic

owner told me she has been there for 25 years at same location,25 years is a success story

[on Bowen] I started an affordable housing.... we were becoming West Van Lite, wch is not looked well upon; social diversity

amenity of affordable housing, not social, more affordable  ... diversity

social sustainability, all ages, all incomes, all ....; make room for everyone of all incomes

dedicated to enhancing  biz, with 300 mbrs, leading; promote healthy climate

town ctr not performing as it shd; will lose more biz if more not done without ....

past useful life; unsuitable for many .... biz; growing prob of relevance

ongoing to support renewal; upgrade and improve street fronts

height not nec a bad thing; carefully....;     views never guaranteed; seems quite sensitive to

not a number we're familiar with; can't verify where amt came from; never worked with any numbers; worked with Engg Dept

wait for a new bldg to come and then follow the formula; all just sort of biz as usual with no strategy; just want to be clear that's where we are

Sop: if within present zoning wd hv to make application to rezone; wd have to have public hearing and a process; what are they allowed to build on those sites today?

CP: under current zoning for C2, two storeys with possibility of three storeys ... parking stalls ...

you'd have to .... [9:08] give that suggestion

Sokol: specific changes to bylaw amendments; change to xxxx

PUBLIC HEARING CLOSED  9:09

***  (BACK TO) REGULAR COUNCIL AGENDA -- 9:09 (after PH closed)

kinds of expectations from design guidelines; what wd accommodate views

considering like Hollyburn Medical Ctr, IGA; good design, xxx

like thing Mem Park, get away from lane; a lot of discussion, input, ......xxx

don't think you'll see a lot of change; wd not like to do anything to damage Amb, I love Amb v much

efforts to revit been going on for a long time; what does it mean? more ppl, more cars?

well, going to have residences on top so more....  shop till they drop

are we going to provide...... parking?  will we truly do that?

won't support resid to bottom floor; couple of storeys on top...

only formal process on those three sites; can't go that route

Amb was the village; theatre.....; had paper route, coffee shops,... ; village was alive, heart of the cmnty

demographic trends; there are more bedrooms than xxx ; no chn; popn ageing, demand smaller place they can lock up; close to shopping, library, srs' ctr; tremendous need for that xxx

my real limitations, see Mr Karl Gustavson; better design bldgs or better if Mike Smith did it

as Cclrs Day and Sop, wd be attracted by option of three storeys, makes no sense to enshrine three storeys when the guidelines are clear fourth wd have to be superior and xxx... so why limit to three storeys?

in a rambling way I've come full circle three times; time WG and planning staff so I'm going to support these changes

JF: response to some of the comments made by some of my colleagues; understand difficult to comprehend

how going to work, sure?  we can't; except for Cclr Clark none of us involved in commercial in Amb; that's why we hired professionals

genesis; minor critic; but those were xxx

fine line between ht and motivating; feel we came down on conservative side

sure what we've asked for, landscapes; paying for improvements to streets

this ccl and subsequent ccls will ensure done; things like this happen slowly

said bldgs rundown ...  yet props changing at higher

consensus; ppl support; over three and four storeys

local architect [involved] left WV; lost one of our best planners

a proper village is where you have to get out of your car; happily walk a couple of blocks

of course about building as.....

a modest proposal; take courage, lots of courage,......do better

wd like to congratulate Ccl wherever you are

part of plan; tasked .....

without putting pressure on sgl fam

good article in Globe in Mail last year, is it even possible an???? more to have Village

still wd like to know about 1800block; garden entrance; eastern end; signalling that you're here

sure you've spent a lot of time

Fred Kent said Amb functioning about 40% but privately he said 20% but didn't want to hurt anyone's feelings

calls re litter; not up to xxx; this is toned down

two zones instead of 13; organizes us and focuses on design

will be a response but not a flood of calls

thank the staff for a lot of work on that

when No 7 will ask about four storeys don't want destabilizing force b/c all about stability.

Mayor: 1 re parking PASSED

2 BF-4.10 PASSED

3 no TSq at 14th and Marine PASSED

4

VV can I add amendment; parking addressed but not adequately

CP: was not overlooked; we do have a parking strategy

Mayor: if we were to highlight; how wd Ccl  ...?

Sokol: as we go into budget process that Ccl set aside some money or implement more intensive strategies

CARRIES

5 BF-C4 CARRIES

7 wrt height

CARRIES

JF: read a second time

Mayor: an amendment can go to second reading

JF: amended by modifying along Bellevue consider issue undergrounding

CARRIES

Mayor: agree friendly amendment so -- oh, this is where I call for debate; so seeing none, question on second reading

Sop opposed

JF: OCP Amendment third time

CARRIES, Sop opposed [9:53]

Mayor: setbacks in 1800

JF: moved with amendments

MS: again want to reiterate that if you read right from the doc, fourth storey only if superior design

wrt your reference to the west entrance to Amb

can't be stated any more succinctly than that; wd have to demonstrate benefit to cmnty

has to be something that's an asset to the cmnty otherwise three storeys

Mayor: residence

Sokol: merit design

MS: when superior design

CP: that kind of language is in OCP and what we're talking about right now is zoning

but you've just passed second and third reading in OCP

JF: also in the design guidelines

CP: OCP does incorporate design guidelines

Sop: whether ....

always been great desire to have good design; to just assume just do that to get another storey; that's taking place

so to think left with third storey, xxx

Mayor: we're on the --

Sop: digress like Cclr Smith

Mayor: so as amended; Cclr F, consider a friendly amendmt; Cclr Sop, this is the

Sokol: on large sites can have four sites [storeys?], the ones over 120ft, 8ft grade change

Mayor: report

Sokol: on [those?] four storeys wd allow as a right, not based on good design, but wd have to xxx

Sop: may I have my say now? that's why I'm not supporting... manoeuvring

massing down the street, going to destroy the ambiance of Amb

there are bldgs now three storeys TWO???? residents like living there

proper size of store; five gas stns take up corners, four banks; some have 30yr leases

are you going to change?  pressure's going to come down to little stores, and demand on the N side

we had a fight, lot of input when we did 17th and Marine; [then] the air conditioning and [added] on top

learned a few things over the years; look at the bldg where going to be; sensible, well-designed

think we're going to ... I don't see that

MS: I'm v sensitive to height too; key is this 1.75; probably can meet it in two storeys, certainly three

only reason for fourth, is to come up with a superior bldg

still max at the back, not a complete four-storey bldg; if not for fact 1.75 enshrined; will support height restriction; also long as don't

among the biz ppl favouring this legislation; success not failure, sudden influx of

WVF progressive ppl in Amb

Mayor: zoning as amended

CARRIES with Sop opposed

Third Reading carries too

10:05  Cclr Clark returns

Sokol: Cclr V's concern wrt Bd of Variance, discussed with solicitor and Ccl can

VV: I brought my ..... says it can't; don't know how

Sokol: apologize said similar; it's lower than the 9 inches that was at the Bd of Variance

VV: had legal advice on this; not in writing

anyone at Bd of Variance change by an inch or two, can come back; not a good precedence

Mayor: have similar question; understand vote was 2 -2 and two felt it shd go to Ccl

Sokol: I wasn't at the mtg

SSch: application was xxx

Mayor: we wdn't be operating in contravention of our legal advice

GBoyle: Bd of V has very limited

must be ...... and hardship; Ccl doesn't

this is a separate application not an appeal

Mayor: Mr Sokol introduce this?

Sokol: in doc and applicant's here

Mayor: then there'll be public input

Applicant (didn't catch name): wrt Bd of V; never had any intention of going to Bd of V

when two ppl said; had this dome two years ago; difficult for anyone to ...  topography and hardship

we wanted to do  simple renovation and as little impact on nbr and our family; unfort'ly that didn't occur

had we realized topography; lot nonconforming end of street

I'm a nurse; deferred to experts whether error in calculations; turn it over to my husband

Man: thank you for giving us the opp to .... thank you in advance for xxx

6460 lived there fore over 20 years, youngest 12, goes to Gleneagles, live on same street as elementary school

great location, love our nbrhd and have fantastic nbrs; probably have the best nbrs anyone can ask for

has really come out, process -- been a learning process -- at BofV, in prep for that and it even goes back to planning, input from nbrs, clear what we felt, our home needed

our house one of first built on street, fdn 45 years old, rebuilt sev times; we had a flat roof, continual leakage

cd change, cd modify, decided to take on a renovation, first doing so

Wife: may be our last

Husband: planned by seeking out advice from nbrs, done b/c like our nbrs and like our nbrhd, done b/c plan to live there another 20 years

Cclr Smith made a point during ... Amb plan, feel appropriate to us, and Maureen tried to make this point; we're not architects and we're not builders

wanted to make changes to our home, went out and interviewed architects on N Sh, chose one who has an ofc in Amb and put our trust in our architect, builder, prof land surveyor

discovered this extra 5 and a half inches was never accounted for in any plans for renovating, goes back to 1985 when second floor put in

this whole situation has been a tremendous learning experience for us; countless hours with all the stakeholders wd cd think of, nbrs, staff, appreciate amt of time WV staff has put into this

Wife: add one more thing; had permit builder built roof, appeared 6" too tall, unknown to us to builder

 5. inches done in 1985

Mayor: wd like to call for public input; 16 letters of support; no one to speak?

RD: unfortunate this sort of thing happens to a nice family; have a good night's sleep the first time in a number of years

move received for information

PASSED

VV: why did they go to BofV?

Wife: ppl of Building Dept said go to Bof V it will be approved

[10:20]

VV: ordinary ppl do perfectly normal things

just hope we cannot go through; if we know what went wrong;

RD: move be approved

roof too flat then same prob as before; maybe tearing off roof

therefore think that made most sense was to go to BofV

Applicants/Owners: THANK YOU SO MUCH; we are the Cleavers, Ward and June

10:22

XXX: Thank you for creating this WG; lots of headway working together

concerns of the sports fields roups: fees, usage, improvements

looked at other places; created a sports forum to hear concerns

preliminary recommendations wch will go back to sports groups for comments

Man: common theme: everybody wanted more opp for dialogue; among sports groups and staff; promote collaboration in the District, volunteers

start small, field users, then expand to all cmnty sports orgs

virtually all Ms in Lower Mainland seems to have 10:25

at our fact-finding forum; make sure get their input

finally, Sherry and I wd like to thank Corinne Ambor, Doug Leavers; and Cclr F for some of the baked goods

JF: my appreciation; these are mostly working ppl and serving, volunteering

want something done, ask busy ppl

don't know how cd squeeze something else in but the did

competitive nature but by halfway through, particularly at forum, all started to hear what other groups' problems were; see empathy that arose

capacity to do some sharing, facilities and equipment; been positive outcome; Ccl shd take a look at continuing

Sop: always a task; from other WG's exp

looking at fees and charges and how xxx

will you consider area around parks as to impact in the future; that wd be an asset to have in the report; know what I'm talking about?

NO

Mayor: take that up

RD: move extend mtg to 11pm

PASSED

JF: Report received

10:30

you are asked to receive a memo that says... mbrs of the WRA continue to express concerns that the only land use option currently under consideration for the site is subdivision into sgl-fam lots.  Only some.  I'd like to caution Ccl that at the present time this is not a consensus opinion of the WRA, and that I think it is inappropriate for a WG to imply that a request for changes to the existing character of a nbrhd is being made by a local assn.

Mayor: not sure if this is in the spirit of a memo

Sokol: a leaking underground storage tank discovered on site, oil on site and bring prop so timeline putting this up for sale in fall probably not going to happen

Ccl receive this report and during month of August staff wd consider this and report in Sept

JC: works well for me, just don't want this left

Mayor: so staff will come back

CARRIES

10:33

A

D

E

G

Sokol: staff to bring forward a bylaw so will be brief

MS: there's a page and a half here, read it all?

Mayor: as printed?  Short ones you can read and long ones, as printed

Sop: do understand what's taking place

bottom, take off a portion of nine lots to add to existing park

portion we gave as park to devpr allowed the devpr to expand lots from 9 to 16Ksf

Sokol: not sure of size; land being given exceeds land; generally the lots are begging shallower and longer?

Sop: offset by ... an equality

Sokol: we're getting more park land

Sop: strip wide existing park vs a closed park -- no trees on it

allowing that to go forward, even though removal from lots on top side

fair to say allowing to be wider, probably the same assessment value

Sokol: can't say one for one; arborist has looked and thinks better land for park; trees more park value; also more valuable to the District

Mayor: what's the value of the ....

NO ANSWER

Sop: always think there's a gain somewhere; to park if hadn't then xxx

[MS moved A to G and all passed]

10:40

RL: think Mr Pike will want to talk

MS: we have a motion to 11 and I will not vote to go past 11 so are there any things must be done tonight and do next week

Mayor to adopt; 11.1, and someone's been waiting a long time

KP: an excellent project, VCHA

presentation tonight is what we're doing with Vancouver Coastal Health and proud of that

Mr Laing?

they'd make payments

directly allocated to the VH space and that will be financed by Coastal Health....

will be covered under Vanc Coastal Health....

will be wrt taxpayer

consistent from strategy of project in 2005

Mayor: thank you and thank you for your [neg?] with V Coastal Health and what you've achieved

Sop moved: three readings

MS: wd like to ask Mr Laing, regarding the money over and above this borrowed money

can we pay without violating threshold; if we don't sell the Wetmore prop?

MS: where do we sit on the sale of the Wetmore prop?

Sokol: staff will be coming to Ccl next week; request for submittal

Mayor: confirmed three  ..... in a row

and Endowment as a source of funding

VV: we're familiar with the theory of the borrowing

$10M, and that taxpayers wd not be paying, that $10M is still written here but added to it is $2.97M

back in ..... I firmly believed budget without xxx

but we didn't balance our budget; wd like us to cut our costs; if we don't...

real learning process

15 years Amb; Rodgers Crk since 1995

cut our processes by 50%

when we see we have a prob cutting expenditures

won't worry taxpayer; fiddle it so Coastal... ; we'd be xxx

Mayor: wd y like to comment on millions cut to be on budget

RL: don't know if Mr Pike wants to talk about

original talks about $10M to Coastal Health and ...

there was a contingency of $5M and knew it was going to be used up, funded according to constituent part

the $13M   ... asking for $970K of wch $320K always been provided for

$650K can be accommodated within b/c of interest rates

never was $10M it was always $10M plus ancillary places plus what Van Coastal

KPike: we've been building within the highest construct costs in

had to cut the orig project by $5M; scrutinizing carefully b/c knew in a difficult time

this has come in b/c allowed for contingency; construction manager, v short pencils

MOTION CARRIES

10:53

MS: reports says intends to close three out of four lanes on a Friday

if Ccl allowing three out of four shd be on a Sunday, not on a Friday night; does not make sense

one alternating lane of traffic for 15 hours

Karl Gustavson: Sunday other issues will come forward, wanting quiet time

by putting the crane up shorten construction by a month

shortening ... 24th [10:56]; most adjacent nbrs in support

Mayor: nobody wants to support this but nobody wants to support something worse

Sop: one lane of traffic

KG: fire, police, all looked at can't be done otherwise b/c of height; stop and go traffic; signal

RD: down to Bellevue? detour sign?

KG: Traffic Mgmt Cmte has approved this; part of Emergency Support Group

RD: suggest to Mr Fung; suggest detour signs; can easily

Mayor: in advance

RD: wd help a lot

KG: any flagging/signing to alleviate, fine

Mayor: at expense of devpr

KG: yes

Mayor: back to Item 11

10:59?

11.       Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005, Amendment Bylaw No. 4564, 2008 - Fire and Rescue Permits and Services -- Read a first, second, and third time.}

All deferred except letter 19 in Item 20 Correspondence:

Lady: how dangerous that part of Keith Rd; speeding for young drivers

sent letter about an accident that occurred July 2nd; not first time gone that way; perhaps cd slow down that

nbrhd is v young; walk my son along ev day to Hollyburn; long way from TWay down to 11th

nbrs cutting bushes but that doesn't slow them down

Mayor: will deal with at Police Bd mtg, refer to traffic.

Rest of agenda items deferred as knife/guillotine fell ADJOURNMENT 11pm!

Mayor said PQP next time!

26. REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS   27. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS   28. ADJOURNMENT

* Doug Larson, English racer (1902 - 1981):

* Thomas Berger, American writer (b 1924)

   o   The art and science of asking questions is the source of all knowledge.

   o   No matter what side of the argument you are on, you always find people on your side that you wish were on the other.

   o   Why do writers write?  Because it isn't there.

* Mae West:  I speak two languages, Body and English.

                        -- Doug Larson, English racer (1902 - 1981)

Words, like eyeglasses, obscure everything they do not make clear.

                        -- Joseph Joubert, moralist and essayist (1754 - 1824)

So difficult it is to show the various meanings and imperfections of words when we have nothing else but words to do it with.

                        -- John Locke (1632 - 1704)

Facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored.

                        -- Aldous Huxley (1894 - 1963)

The solution of every problem is another problem.

                        -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe