West Van Matters - WVM2008-28: Ccl NOTES Sept 29; AGENDA Oct 6; Calendar to Oct 26

WVM2008-28
Ccl NOTES Sept 29
AGENDA Oct 6
Calendar to Oct 26
by Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org

Happy Thanksgiving! then Election circus time: Federal Oct 14, Municipal Nov 15

IN THIS ISSUE:

Main Items Ccl Mtg Oct 6th: Homelessness; Joint Operating Agreement between WV Cmnty Ctrs Services and the District; HBay Firehall site 6520 and 6540 Marine Dr zoning change to three sgl-fam; 2009 Permissive Tax Exemptions; Rock Removal at 3320 Thompson Cr for swimming pool; Dundarave Preschool by the Sea Society Modification Agreement; Correspondence: bikes, power outages, characterization of WV (letter 6: abolish councils! :-)), Hugo Ray Park (traffic; conflicting figs)

= Vive le Canada; from the EDITOR'S DESK; UPDATES (Wetmore; Sea Lice); ELECTIONWATCH; WEBWATCH (the front fell off); WVPD (Updates; 9-1-1)

= CALENDAR to Oct 26th (well, as much as known at the moment!); THEATREWATCH

= Special Ccl Mtg Notes Sept 29: Interim Devt Bylaw Amendments: Zoning, and Soil Removal and Deposit Regulation (for PH Oct 20); Bylaws for Adoption: Soil and Solid Waste Utilities, Park Exchange with Martin Corp/Caulfeild Plateau; Correspondence on Tree Butchery, Hugo Ray Park, Scooter Ways, Impervious Site Coverage (ADRA and Streamkeepers)

= Ccl Mtg Oct 6th AGENDA (abbreviated)

= NEWSWATCH (the methane time bomb; Saudi TV, kill if obscenities); HISTORYWATCH (Iran supports/helps US; "wipe off map" myth/incorrect translation); Cuisine of Axis of Evil -- Cook and Book; BORDERWATCH; Seniors' Stories; Haiku; Quotations

=== Vive le Canada === some thx to Harrowsmith

1 What's the oldest incorporated city in Canada?

2 Where's the smallest jail in North America?

3 Where's the longest covered bridge in the world?

4 Where's the root cellar capital of the world?

Saint John NL; Creemore ON; Hartland NB; Elliston NL

..... from the EDITOR'S DESK

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=== UPDATES ===

+++ WETMORE? This has just gone up on the DWV website: RFP for Major WV Seniors Site

DWV is requesting Proposals for a 99-year land lease and seniors-oriented housing project on a 52,000 sq. ft. site at 22nd and Marine Dr. This is a remarkable site in a remarkable location to the immediate west of the main Civic Centre complex and bordering John Richardson Park. See http://www.westvancouver.ca/Level2.aspx?id=10996

+++ Alexandra Morton and Salmon and Sea Lice: Linda Aylsworth of Global TV has produced a good account of Alex's fight. See http://www.globaltv.com/globaltv/bc/video/index.html then go to "News Hour" then "Salmon Farms".

+++ The Squamish Chief Oct 3rd reports our CAO (who at one time worked for the Dist/Sq) has lured a colleague, Brent Leigh. Watch for official announcement (and other reorganization).

=== ELECTIONWATCH === MUNICIPAL ELECTION: November 15

FOR FURTHER INFO:

604 842 1547, 925 7045; election@westvancouver.ca & www.westvancouver.ca/election.aspx

Also: http://www.westvancouver.ca/Government/Level3.aspx?id=130

ALL-CANDIDATE MTGS (so far)

+ Wed Oct 15 (Membership at Sentinel Secondary) and Thurs Oct 23 (Endorsement at KMC): WV Citizens for Good Govt ACM mtgs. Must buy WVCGG mbrship by Oct 15 to vote for slate Oct 23. Both mtgs start at 7pm. Can't find a ph no for WVCGG but their email address is wvcgg@telus.net

+ 7pm Tues Oct 21: the WRA All-Candidates Meeting at the Gleneagles Community Centre; doors open at 6:30.

+ Wed Oct 22 Ch of Commerce breakfast mtg 7:30am at Hollyburn Country Club: "If I am elected as the Mayor of the District of West Vancouver in November, I will promote, enhance, and facilitate business in our community by=8A" RSVP by 5pm Friday Oct 17; call 926 6614

+ 7pm Tues Oct 28: Legacy North Shore Society's ACM mtg at Hollyburn Elementary School

+ 7pm, Wed Nov 5 BPAHA ACM mtg at WV United, 2062 Esquimalt

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ at time of writing ~~~~~~~~~~~

Nominations close Oct 10 and ppl can withdraw up to Oct 17 so that's before this issue goes out.

For Mayor: John Clark, Pamela Goldsmith-Jones, Vivian Vaughan

For Council: Michael Lewis, Max Nikpay, Trish Panz, Michael Smith, Bill Soprovich

Rumoured to be considering: Michael Evison, Nora Gambioli, Hugo Ray Park Resident?, Chuck Walker's daughter Shannon (whose husband is a realtor, Tim Webb), and xxx?

+++ Some ppl have asked Yours Truly and the answer has gone from NO to a definite MAYBE so stay tuned -- do we have four dedicated to openness and fiscal caution/efficiency while giving a priority to our nbrhd character (tops in all DWV cmnty surveys)? Look at candidates' past participation and their platforms.

WVM has always encouraged openness, citizen notification/involvement/inclusion/information, objectivity, fairness, cmnty share in amenities, has decried both uncontrolled/unmanaged growth as well as BANANAs (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything).

=== WEBWATCH === :-)

The front fell off -- On August 19th 2007, an oil tanker off the coast of Australia split in two, dumping 20,000 tons of crude oil. Senator Collins, a member of the Australian Parliament, appeared on a TV news program to reassure the Australian public. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcU4t6zRAKg

=== WVPD === Bd Highlights; Emergency Calls

+++ Highlights of the September 18 WV Police Board meeting

- budget challenges including an unplanned $40K spent on ammunition to upgrade firearm skills

- significant reduction in property crimes, achieved in large part from careful use of COMPSTAT to aid in targeting criminal activity

- significant increase in violent crimes

- publication of the 2007 Annual Report in a handsome and readable booklet form available for download from www.wvpd.ca

+++ Emergency Calling 101 - When To Dial 911

Don't call 9-1-1 unless it's an emergency; do call 925 7300 to report anything that's not an emergency (someone speeding, etc). Here's info from WVPD:

2008 September 30 Cst Jeff Palmer: 925 7348 To: Blockwatch and E-Policing Prog Mbrs

West Vancouver Police are asking residents to carefully review guidelines for calls to 911 in the wake of a recent power outage in the District.

Last Wednesday, our West Vancouver Police Dispatchers and Call Takers were coping with a full task list. Police Headquarters was within an area of West Vancouver hit by an extended power outage.

The department's emergency power system was functioning. Dispatchers made a successful transition to backup systems and continued to take and dispatch priority calls for police service.

However, that task was made significantly more difficult as the department received close to fifty calls to 911, involving callers who wanted only to report to police that the power was out, or to ask police how widespread the power outage was, or when the power might come back on.

Dispatch staff had to answer and deal with each 911 call individually and in the order that the call is received, raising a significant risk of delay answering 911 calls from persons facing an immediate emergency or imminent risk.

West Vancouver Police remind residents that 9-1-1 is NOT an information line. 9-1-1 is for police, fire or medical emergencies.

You should call 911 when immediate action by Police, Fire or Emergency Medical Services is needed, or when reporting a life or property is in danger or a crime is in progress.

9-1-1 call-takers will not provide information on power outages, or any other non-emergency circumstance. Responsible use of 9-1-1 will ensure the system is not clogged with unnecessary calls when you or someone you love needs it the most.

Additional information on appropriate 9-1-1 calling is available at the ECOMM website at www.ecomm.bc.ca.

Power outages should be reported by telephone to BC Hydro at 1-888-POWERON (1 888 769 3766).

Police also encourage you to review additional information on reporting or dealing with power interruptions at www.bchydro.com/outages and suggest you not wait until after the next power outage to do so.

=== CALENDAR to Oct 26th ===

[at Hall unless otherwise noted; since this is early pls see DWV Calendar for changes/additions]

Regret that although a mbr of the WV Historical Society, I did not see the newsletter until just after the Sept 24th mtg: "City of Reflections: 1907 - 2007" with Guest Speaker Jim McGraw. The video project starts with the 1907 film of downtown and West End streets and then using archival photos and newly shot video, shows how different locations have changed over the years. Will try harder to get information from WVHS next time. I'd love to have gone, since I was born in Vancouver (but a little bit later than 1907).

UPDATE: b/c of power failure this talk did not take place and will be rescheduled!

== Wednesday Oct 8 == ~ 9am ~ CEC

== Thursday Oct 9 ==

~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte discussing proposed bylaw re verandas and accessory bldgs

~ 7 - 8:30pm ~ FEDERAL All-Candidates Meeting at KMC

(West Vancouver-Sunshine Coast-Sea to Sky Riding) co-presented with the WV Memorial Library

For details, see http://kaymeekcentre.com/on_stage/578

== Wednesday Oct 15 ~ 7pm ~ Library Bd Mtg at Library

== Thursday Oct 16 ~ 6pm ~ NSh Family Court/Youth Justice Cmte at DNV M Hall

== Friday Oct 17 ~ West Vancouver Police Department's 2008 Cops for Cancer

Tour de Coast Cyclists' Gala Evening

To acknowledge the achievement of the West Vancouver Police Department's 2008 Cops for Cancer - Tour de Coast cyclists, a second Gala Event will be held on October 17th. This event will be graciously hosted at the private residence of Mr. Eric Savics. Limited tickets are available in advance for $250

Contact: Cpl Fred Harding at 604-925-7353 or fredharding@wvpd.ca or from Mrs. Ana Unger at anaungerc4c@hotmail.com

== Wednesday Oct 22

~ 1:30pm ~ Arts and Culture Facilities WG

~ 6:30pm ~ Child Care WG -- moved to Nov 5

== Thursday Oct 23 ~ 5:30pm ~ Police Bd Mtg at WVPD Boardroom

+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++

Gallery at the Library to Oct 31

Recent works by Parvis Djamtorki, Tannis Turner, and Sa Boothroyd.

* Writing a Will -- 10:30 to noon Wed Oct 15

With Estate lawyer Nicole Garton-Jones. Ph 925 7405 to register or email wvmllibrarian@westvanlibrary.ca. Sponsored in partnership with People's Law School.

ONGOING:

+ Let's Speak English! Join the group, make new friends and practise your English conversation skills at the Library every Friday in October from 10:30am -12noon. No registration required. For info 925 7402.

+ THE POETRY OF W.B. YEATS

Join Joe Ronsley for readings & discussion of the works of one of the best poets of the 20th century.

Tues mornings: Oct 7, 21, Nov 4, 18, 25, and Dec 2. 10:30 - 12:30pm. No registration required, drop-ins welcome. Poster; Reading List

+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY +++

+ Sept 16 to Oct 5 -- mixed media "Driven To Abstraction"

Farnaz Abed, Andrea Argyros, Sande Waters, Todd Clark, Rohana Laing, Ruth Leithal, Jose Francisco Rabasso

+ NORTH SHORE ARTISTS' GUILD - October 7 - 19 -- Mixed Media Juried Group Exhibition

"Guild Visions": Evening Reception: 6 - 8pm Tues, Oct 7; Artists' Talk: 2pm Sat Oct 11

+++ SILK PURSE +++ (1570 Argyle) www.silkpurse.ca

+ Sept. 23 - October 5, 2008 -- "Black & White"

Black-and-white media often has a "nostalgic" or historic feel to it. Despite its apparent simplicity, it can be a versatile and highly expressive medium. This exhibit features photography, ink on paper and metallic paper works by Lower Mainland artists Laura Clark, Lani Jeffrey, and Bronwyn Williams.

+ October 7 - October 19, 2008 -- "2x2: Two Artists, Two Portrait Styles"

A portrait is a painting, photograph, sculpture, or other artistic representation of a person, in which the face and its expression is predominant. The intent is to display the likeness, personality, and even the mood of the person. Join Lower Mainland artists Stevie Elphick and Rosa Gramuglia as they celebrate their distinct artistic style. View works of faces and flowers versus portraits in oil. Options to purchase works or commission works by the artists!

Opening Reception: TUESDAY October 7th from 6 - 8 pm

+ Wed Oct 15 ~ Caroun Photo Club (CPC), www.CarounPhotoClub.com

CPC monthly meetings are held on the third Wednesday, 7 - 9 pm of each month.

+++ WV MUSEUM +++ Visit: http://www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com/

The Prints of Alistair Bell

Tuesday, October 7, 2008 to February 7, 2009

Canadian master printmaker Alistair Bell produced some 300 prints over the span of 62 years. Impressions of Nature: The Prints of Alistair Bell examines the contemplative prints and drawings that Bell created in his home studio in West Vancouver until he passed away in 1997. Bell's main interests eschew the human in favour of solitary animals and birds, as well as atypical landscapes and vegetation, boats and harbour scenes. All of these subjects attracted Bell with their strong, often linear or angular form, and are rendered with a striking clarity and expressiveness. His remarkable ability to capture the inner essence of his subjects -- achieved through a meticulous process of observation and abstraction -- sets Bell's graphic images apart, as they have us see the world intimately and unexpectedly anew

Please join us for the opening reception * 7 - 9 pm Tuesday, October 7 *

West Vancouver Museum [Gertrude Lawson House], 680 - 17th Street * 925 7295

ALSO ~ 1pm ~ Saturday Oct 18: Taiga Chiba: Special Talk on printmaking, traditional Japanese techniques experiences teaching Inuit artists in Nunavut and as artist in residence in Mexico, India, Brazil, and Thailand.

+++ KAY MEEK CENTRE +++

To see the electronic newsletter, the address is http://kaymeekcentre.weebly.com. Getting onto the mail list: the simplest method is to call the box office (604 913 3634) or email tickets@kaymeekcentre.com

+++ ROYAL CANADIAN LEGION BRANCH 60, WEST VANCOUVER

Find out what's happening by visiting: http://www.westvan60.com/newsletter.html.

or http://www.westvan60.com/Images/The%20Torch%20Newsletter%20-%20Fall-2008.pdf

In Honour of all Those who Served

In the Cause of Peace and Freedom

October 4, 2008

To: Our Members and Community Friends,

With Remembrance Day a little way off, we are preparing for our Poppy Campaign, 2008. This year we are asking local West Vancouver merchants, retailers, businesses, schools and voluntary organizations to join us in our fund raising drive, which ends on Remembrance Day.

As you are probably aware, the funds we raise go directly to support our veteran's and families in need. In addition, your local West Vancouver Legion "Branch 60", supports students with bursaries and scholarships as well as other local charities and organizations.

There are a few ways you can make a contribution:

=B7 Place a mini collection box with poppies in your office

=B7 Buy a wreath to display in your establishment.

=B7 Support our Legion "Poppy Taggers" on November 6th., 7th. and 8th.

=B7 Come to the Remembrance Day Service and Parade

=B7 Lay a wreath at the Memorial Arch in West Vancouver, on Remembrance Day.

Email: legionbranch60@gmail.com; T: 922 3587; F: 922- 2659; Mail: 580 - 18th St, WV, V7V 3V7.

Donations to our Poppy Trust Fund would be gratefully accepted.

Thanking you in advance for your participation.

Yours sincerely,

Jeremy Woodham, Poppy Campaign Chair

=== THEATREWATCH ===

* Unfortunately we only saw the last night (Sept 28) of Coram Boy at the Jericho Arts Ctr so not able to let you know it was an extraordinary production. Very creative solution to the many scenes and cast of 40. Set in late 1700s; written by by Jamila Gaving adapted by Helen Edmundson. Directed by Bernard Cuffling (www.jerichoartscentre.com)

* The Shakespeare Show, one of the Fringe hits, will be at the JAC Oct 2 (7pm) and 5 (9pm) -- quite a giggle. Moves very quickly and you have to listen carefully to catch all the references

+ VIFF will be showing Waltz with Bashir (Israel/Germany 2008) Thurs Oct 2 (9:30pm) and Sunday Oct 5 (1pm).

* Do see Pinter's Briefs if you appreciate Absurdist theatre; ended Sat Sept 27 at Presentation House but then goes to Studio 16 (1555 W 7th) from Oct 8 to 16); see http://www.blackbirdtheatre.ca/upcoming.html

=== SPECIAL COUNCIL MTG NOTES Sept 29 ===

Mayor: West Vancouver hires new Fire Chief! Today first day on duty...

{ Welcome to new Fire Chief Cook remarks; Cook comes to West Vancouver from the City of New Westminster where he is currently Deputy Chief. Jim Cook started his firefighting career in 1977 in the City of New Westminster. Cook is currently the President of the Greater Vancouver Fire Chiefs Association. See http://www.westvancouver.ca/Level3.aspx?id=9138 }

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

addition: 15.1 [letter from WV Streamkeepers; text in Correspondence at end]

2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES

REPORTS

3. Interim Development Bylaw Amendments: Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4581, 2008 and Soil Removal and Deposit Regulation Bylaw No. 3786, 1992, Amendment Bylaw No. 4582, 2008 (File: 1610-20-4581/4582)

RECOMMENDED: THAT

+ the interim development bylaw amendments proposed in the September 19, 2008 report of the Associate Director be endorsed in principle for further consideration.

+ Zoning Amendment Bylaw as attached to the Sept 19 report of the Associate Director be read a first time.

+ Soil Removal and Deposit Regulation Amendment Bylaw as attached to the Sept 19 report of the Associate Director be read a first time.

+ the Municipal Clerk be directed to give notice of a Public Hearing to consider the Zoning Amendment Bylaw scheduled for Monday, Oct 20 at 7pm.

+ Zoning Amendment Bylaw and Soil Removal and Deposit Regulation Amendment Bylaw be referred to the Design Review Committee for comment.

Sokol: excessive bulk of new construction

been hearing about that for years, much too bulky

address some of the floor area [FAR/FSR] exemptions, excessive retaining walls and alteration of grade, excessive rock removal

these amendments we're considering an interim step

a number of issues .....

tonight we want to address some of the issues, recognize we may not comprehensively address

some..... and some solutions

bring forward zoning bylaw amendments fairly straightforward

deleting line

easy

in late October, 27th, staff will be bringing forth a technical ... review of bylaw

1968

90% done, being reviewed by our solicitor

reduces code by 100 pages; a lot more understandable

another thing on Oct 27, a list of policy issues we'll be addressing

a separate track; don't want technical rewrite to be held up

similarly don't want all policy issues on one track .....

will be identifying issues for you on Oct 27

Housing Dialogue identifies a number of issues, will bring some of those forward on these parallel tracks

will go forward remainder of 2008 and in 2009

comprehensive dialogue and xxxxx

bring them continuously over the next six months, year, you'll be hearing about them ....

excessive bulk of new construction of Floor Area

as you know .35FAR [DWV limit], but then in code a number of things exempt; basements aren't counted

if trying to regulate, don't care what's in the ground

two areas we're addressing tonight:

second-storey covered decks -- explosion of them, not included but add to bulk of house

floor area of sec storey will be counted other than under a four-foot eave b/c that's what we require; will show you pix

other issues, attached accessory bldgs exempted up to 240sf and will show you why we won't be excluding them any more

covered decks will still be permitted but will not be excluded

inside or out had both and house appeared bulkier

attached accessory structures [SLIDE]

these are attached to house, a separate wall, dividing wall, sheet rock on it, does exist until final bldg inspection, we imagine that wall gets removed and sure enough that 240sf has been added to the house

we're going to reduce that exemption, remain 240 for ????? allow 50sf???? {see slides and report}

old owner has already built; want to add a tool shed

nobody wd go to expense to build it for 50 ft and then remove it

RETAINING WALLS and alteration of grade

slide of existing and proposed

45 degree angle, 100 degree slope????

can build as long as not??? and not higher than 8ft

we're proposing to reduce that grade line to 75 degree and slope degree????

four ft

the amt you can build up the property is that much less

slide of front -- flanking side property line ... 38 degrees... every 5.3 ft you can go up 4 ft

cannot build a retaining wall higher than 8ft -- set back 10.? ft

here's proposed

50% grade and 22 and a 1/2 slope 9.6ft from prev retaining wall

flanking, front on two streets

{apologies and warning: the above and below were v hard to type while explanation being given; pls read bylaw to verify all these numbers and conditions}

***stacked rock walls

provisions that exempt them from 8ft limit, currently at 100% grade change, if less than than exempt from 8ft limit

proposing to change that slope to 75% if below 75% can go above 8ft

proposing can't put as much fill [slide]

finally

Waterfront Property Line: text amendment to clarify location of waterfront property line

lastly most straightforward

amt of soil removal and ...

from 600 cu m to 200 cu m -- 200 the mean amt pulled out in 90s

housing costs gone up, ,.....gone up, so willing to spend more on blasting

this is based on design with nature

even if you can afford to we don't want you to; going to be restricting

that's all I have

Sop: cd you turn to the beginning with the three houses, the upper righthand corner

I heard about this from many, at 23rd and Marine

Mayor: think we shd speak in general terms

Sop: this looks like a two-storey; massive

not really solving the problem, just the next storey up

if example of smaller house on small lot, not solving the problem at all

has the second-storey deck always been exempted?

Sokol: not sure but for several years

Sop: no reference as to height

looking at the rezoning bylaws and changing format, this is an interim bylaw and this sets a date for a Public Hearing on these yet there are others

how unfold, public consultation outside the District...

Sokol: on 27th we'll bring forth the bylaws and for public input

technical ...

bldg height is complex

similar came up with the basement but when WG came up, thought basement wd play a role b/c of sec stes so removed it

rather than changing it then

pretty strong maybe unanimity rather than putting off to future date

Sop: letter from Streamkeepers, include calculation of impervious

{Not in last WVM issue b/c was not on agenda; was added as 15.1 to Correspondence as you see above; I've put the body of the letter in Correspondence below for reference.}

Sokol: many of older we only regulate bldg footprint but in newer we do regulate

as we go through zoning bylaw

ratio

{WHEN???}

JF: distributing for feedback from cmnty, bldg cmnty, those interested in real estate and sales, make ev effort to make sure

a lot of ppl, lay persons, won't make a lot of sense

between that and a lot of the concerns expressed, hope you're also going to be assured those involved....

some of the opportunities for coach houses

we have a lot of steep lots, a lot of creeks

topography, give some thought to that 15ft that have to be kept.

RD: thank you for your report

six years trying to get this report, more to get done

when I was on Ccl lowered from .35 to .45 [FAR]

{I was on Ccl with Cclr Day when we lowered the FAR from .45 to .35 FAR -- a happy moment! -- in order to prevent more monster houses. Of course those over that already were "grandfathered" and a higher FAR was allowed for smaller lots, many of wch are in Amb.}

what we missed is that Amb and HBay left at .50 and most live there, ... exemptions

in a duplex zone someone built a ...

but was able to escape design .....

good example, come into Dundarave and everyone sees it

good start but right way to go; so many ways to get around our bylaws; hard to keep up with them

.50 in Amb HBay plus exemptions! so you end up with 60% in the majority of WV

that's about 60 - 70%

can't understand why accessory wasn't done years ago; covered porches as well

finally [being done]; new planner, got it

Sokol: these are intended as baby steps

Mayor: wishing to consult with the adv design cmte; able to do that before PH?

RD: PH 20th

Mayor: then 27th, macro

CARRIED

MS: a quick point to build on what Cclr Day said

new CAO and new Dir/Planning

in Amb and Dund some pretty horrific examples of houses ...

if we're going to move in a progressive way

when there are obvious things happening ..... in a perfect world, surely staff wd bring that forward to be addressed

sure not Mr McRadu or Sokol's fault, but wd hope brought forward before got out of hand

Mayor: understood; think when we have the 27th report

aware of the Clovelly/Caulfeild

not just limited to one nbrhd, throughout

but you're right, ...

heard and Ccl [will] be pro-active

{Background: Last September the Dundarave Nbrhd Assn made a presentation about covered decks etc. It was not only new/corrective zoning being requested but also a plea that the interpretation of building bylaws be kept to the intention, not lax to allow bigger houses. At that time, Ccl responded and Cclr Day referred to address this in March. I did ask in March what had happened and was told they were working on it. Well, here it is. Let's see how far this goes. Speak up Oct 20 and 27.}

Sop: third soil removal

CARRIED

PH Oct 20

CARRIED

Sop: finally, design review cmte for comment

CARRIED

Mayor every motion carried unanimously

4. District of West Vancouver Delegation Bylaw No. 4580, 2008 to Establish West Vancouver 2010 Leadership Committee (File: 1610-20-4580)

RECOMMENDED: read a first, second, and third time.

Mayor: Mr McRadu or Ms Chuback?

Josie Chuback: for a Select Cmte to be set up, reflective of the commitment and interest of citizens

have fundraised for 2010; they have also committed to work with the District to raise add'l funds and meet with cmnty, cmnty to be involved

delegation bylaw gives authority to this group, five citizens and five M representatives who will then oversee the rights and benefits as a venue city

look at opportunities there, how we can work together

some of the rights and benefits referenced in the bylaw not listed, as other have

right of marks, rings, use them, to develop a pin for WV

opp to work with Cdn Snowboard and Freestyle Assn, both of whom will be at Cypress

youth, connections; support for volunteer opps

helping us with volunteer progs, at games and events in cmnty

WV will be recognized on all if not most of....

wd have banners

recognized as venue city

tix ... typically to mayor

right to purchase some tix, can use in cmte, internal uses; have a mascot

right to have five places in the torch relay

opps for workshops and seminars to get to know the other partners in other cmnties, sponsorship opps; purchase banners and signage; saying venue city, etc

Sop: three

Mayor: three, not four

Sop: just three, I know Ccl doesn't like it when I talk too much

page X, being given a benefit or pecuniary interest, is that not a conflict of interest?

CAO: he answers yes

Sop: knowing the cmte being struck

takes hold; meaning no benefit

CAO: yes

Mayor: shall not vote or participate in debate

Sop: ... when I have, I step away and don't have a vote

....interest given to mbr

nobody's going to gain personally being on that cmte?

CAO: that's correct

Sop: are the volunteers all District staff?

JCh: not restricted to staff

Sop: priority to citizens of WV

JCh: priority access wd not be one of the benefits

Sop: team, five individuals: Mayor, CAO, Financial Ofcer, Josie Chuback, and person chosen

this Ccl is going to be informed at least once a month?

is there not need, do you see a need to exclude Ccl from this cmte?

Mayor: ev cmte reports regularly to ccl and public; be fully informed

Sop: we set the policy then just sit on the sidelines?

for something really terrific

Mayor: this is getting done on behalf of cmnty .....

MS: surprised you didn't say left off mbr of Ccl to make mtgs shorter

on page X [quotes:] to pursue.... to raise add'l funds, provide for both .... and capital costs

stop there

not WinterFest, etc....... events ...

the economic clouds have turned from grey to black...

not be prudent to leave that clause in there

CAO: where did you want to end it?

MS: after operating and capital costs

Mayor: you're right WinterFest has been dramatically shrunk

CAO: the part that comes after are examples

funding other activities, such as WinterFest and other family .....

MS: I wd argue, that unlike the tax and spenders

at the local level question we'd be able to pass on costs to cmnty

we're going to be facing tough years

... get your point an example

but it says WinterFest; this commits us to continue this

....that there are higher priorities

CAO: no problem taking that out; intend to have it next year

Mayor: cut to fit the cloth

JF: don't disagree Cclr Smith's xxx

just have to look at Cmnty Ctr; this Ccl has a pretty good record in [responsible spending?]

leave them in as examples ...

ppl who are willing to donate money, might want to have some idea what sort of things

some ppl have worked v hard for WinterFest...... looking forward to 2010 Olympics

add'l funds wd see that continue

wd come down to Ccl decision as to wch takes place; leaving it there gives ppl some hope

JC: think I agree with Cclr Smith; cd be something not here not suggested but since not listed we can't consider it so we'd end up with something falling off the table wch even better

{and WinterFest ppl will see being named as if not certainty, at least before any other events/activities considered (not that I don't think WinterFest is enjoyable and worth having but shd be put into context)......}

Mayor: we're amending a report, not a motion; how do we do it?

SSch: not a normal method; it is the CAO's report

if you look at the actual delegation bylaw, under 5C [quotes portion?]

intent really was, when we met with five mbrs of leadership...

that general terms; intent is that they will be raising funds to celebrate the Games in WV in 2010

Sop: in support of Cclr Smith

this cmte's going to be bound with VANOC in a v [close?] way

if we don't meet obligations, where's the safeguard wrt moneys that may have to come forth that affect taxpayers, has to be some safeguard there

have to fundraise and if we can't meet those obligations, cmte committed

where's safeguard for taxpayer not to pay bills?

CAO: has already; any other will be to celebration

Mayor: wrt fettering, nothing here that can't be ..... ; protects taxpayer, so to safeguard

Sop: make sure more money going to be raised

.... and taxpayer won't have to [spend?] any money

CAO: the only contribution at this time is staff time

Mayor: have a suggestion for Cclr Smith's

if this passes, will come for adoption and I'd suggest it be rewritten in view of this discussion

CARRIES

BYLAWS ADOPTED

5. Solid Waste Utility Bylaw No. 4118, 1998, Amendment Bylaw No. 4578, 2008

6. Park Exchange (Martin Corporation - Caulfeild Plateau) Bylaw No. 4558, 2008 and Land Use Contract Approval Bylaw No. 2745, 1978, Amendment Bylaw No. 4566, 2008 (File: 2540-06/1610-20-4558/4566)

CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS

7. Correspondence List Correspondence received up to September 19, 2008 (with exceptions for time sensitive items)

exempt 1, 2, 10, 12 {+ Letters from ADRA and Streamkeepers re calc of impermeable surfaces}

Requests for Delegation -- No items presented.

Action Required

1. September 14, 2008, regarding Tree Trimming

Referred to Director of Parks and Community Services for consideration and response.

{the writer's subject line was "tree butcher" if you read the letter}

Sop: how cd tree expert do this? mayor? and BC Hydro?

KP: without consultation with us or nbrs

we do have occasions when this kind of work is done that doesn't make any sense

we likely wd hv suggested removal; but Hydro has the right to do this

Sop: areas of trees, windows; have seen District do wonderful things

magnificent trees

take bull by horns say to Hydro, before you destroy more trees like the chestnuts in front; why not come to this District?

conversation; surely ways if the District can do it, Hydro, or someone can go to Hydro, can say we want this done differently

KP: sometimes that has happened and worked well the majority of times; this one did not; in touch with Hydro and said nbrs, not just adjacent, and we were not pleased; will continue to work with them based on your suggestions as well

{hm. come to think of it, if you see the trees along Denman even with wires, most intact!}

2. September 18, 2008, regarding Hugo Ray Park and Keith Road Extension

Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

VV: know we're discussing this end of Oct but this letter v specific regarding Keith Rd; prev always given to understand wd not be a route to the Park but not given any reason

Speaking about road into the Park, not a shortcut through; just to get in and walk up to the fields

is it still an open possibility?

KP: not route we wd or have recommended; we did look at it as a possible option; can bring that back in the discussions on this project

it is considerably more expensive than the frontage road route we're exploring with MoT right now

It seemed like a much less contentious solution to coming into the Park than going out of the Park and the exit in this particular case; and the exit does not go by any particular nbrhd

entrance drivers, number of drivers coming into the Park wd be cut in half

those are the prime reasons: cost and impact on numbers of ppl in the cmnty

Mayor: can revisit it when the report comes forward

JC: the really disturbing part of this email -- is where he says it's his third attempt to elicit some sort of response. I thought we had a system and process in place that automatically and immediately responds to various questions from various mbrs of the public.

This looks like it's been going on for a year. The writer has not had any response at all according to this.

KP: We've been responding to residents, I'd guess, spending ten times the amt of time on questioners and objectors to this than we have with the proponents to this project

We've been meeting with the nbrhd residents' assn, strata ccls, and we've been replying to letters in a general fashion. We've had hundreds and we have not replied to every one. I wd hv to check to see whether this individ has been replied to, but this particular question has been answered in public and to the local residents' group many times.

JC: I notice on the agenda this has been referred to Engg and Transportation. I hope it doesn't fall through the cracks again

KP: Mr Fung said to me out in the hallway, not sure why this is going to me; maybe it shd go to you, and I said yes, that wd be fine. I'll certainly make sure this individ gets that particular answer this time. I wd repeat, we've given this reply in public a number of times.

10. September 15, 2008, regarding Scooter Ways

JF: from a resident re accessible of footpath from 13th street to Pound Rd

RF: not aware of this particular problem

wrt scooters, intent was to make accessible by all forms, cyclists, etc thought scooters as well

will have to look to see if there s a problem with more than one, or if prob with grade as well

JF you'll get back

JC: met this lady and the prob is that you can't overtake or pass

the footpath goes to bridge and there was a standard or bollard that wd prevent

understand that's been removed

Mayor: perhaps refer to WG

12. September 19, 2008, regarding Signage on Highway

Sop: met [citizen] in travels to Ferry; he gave me the finger

signage moves you along; time to move over, v little.....

I, being an expert driver, even ran into problems as you can see [:-)]; change rapidly

they'd better take a look making the signage [better? more visible?]

several hundred ft away!

RD: yes, I go out there a lot, kids come in from Island; know the route inside and out

every time they make a change, multiply the signage

three, four times number of signs, complete incomprehensibility.....

think a little bit more thought but just more signs; think use more intelligence

VV: yes, I agree, never manage to get to Eagleridge

ferry or up to Sq; guessing and guessing, invariably in wrong lane; signage bad for some time; can't imagine why they can't do something to improve it, make it actually possible for someone unfamiliar

Mayor: or familiar with it!

JC: I think the elderly shd travel in daylight.....

*** IMPERMEABLE SITE COVERAGE CALCULATIONS

14. E. Fonseca, President of Ambleside and Dundarave Ratepayers' Association, September 16, 2008, regarding Impervious Site Coverage Calculations

Dear Mayor and Council:

re Calculation of Impermeable Site Coverage

The Ambleside and Dundarave Ratepayers' Association is in favour of including impervious and impermeable surfaces in the calculation of site coverage.

We recommend this be done as soon as possible, perhaps as part of the zoning bylaw review to be presented to Council soon.

Yours truly,

Elaine Fonseca, ADRA President

15.1 ON-TABLE (so not listed on agenda):

2008 September 9

Dear Mayor and Council:

re Impervious/Impermeable Surfaces

The West Vancouver Streamkeeper Society urges Council to include impermeable surfaces in the calculation of site coverage.

Impervious surfaces are a concern since they increase not only the problems associated with managing stormwater runoff but also the risks of damaging our natural watercourse systems.

Yours truly,

Michael Ritter, President, West Vancouver Streamkeeper Society

8. REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS

MS: Child Care WG tour; thank Anne Mooi; those two facilities; whole cmte will be proud.....

hope ev who was on Ccl will visit when opens in January

{hope to have more info in Updates in next WVM issue}

9. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS NONE 10. ADJOURNMENT 8:07

=== COUNCIL MTG AGENDA Oct 6 ===

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES: September 22, 2008 Regular Council Meeting.

DELEGATIONS

3. A. Mauboules, Homelessness Task Force regarding Homelessness Action Week and General Update (File: 2620-01)

REPORTS

4. Update regarding Homelessness on the North Shore (File: 2620-11)

5. Community Sport Working Group Final Report (File: 0117-20-CS)

RECOMMENDED THAT:

1. the attached report entitled "Final Report from the Community Sport Working Group" be received for information;

2. the Community Sport Working Group recommendation to implement an ongoing field sport forum be approved;

3. the Community Sport Working Group recommendation to develop a formal field allocation policy be approved;

4. the Community Sport Working Group recommendation to convert the field usage fee system to an hourly system be approved in principle.

6. Draft Joint Operating Agreement between West Vancouver Community Centres Services Society and the District (File: 0117-20-CCG)

RECOMMENDED: the Joint Operating Agreement as attached to the report dated Sept 30, 2008 be approved.

7. Future Use of Fire Hall No. 2 Site (Lots 2, 3 & 4 - 6520 & 6540 Marine Drive) (File: 0510-18)

RECOMMENDED THAT:

1. Council direct staff to prepare zoning bylaws to allow for the construction of three single family homes, with design controls and limited floor area, at Lots 2, 3, & 4 - 6520 & 6540 Marine Drive.

2. Council direct staff to report back to Council prior to the sale of the property/ies on potential conditions to be placed on the sale that will enable the achievement of additional community goals of sustainability and affordability.

8. 2009 Permissive Tax Exemptions: Tax Exemption Bylaw No. 4577, 2008

RECOMMENDED: ... be introduced and read a first, second and third time.

9. 3320 Thompson Crescent - Rock Removal for Swimming Pool (File: 2390 20)

RECOMMENDED: Staff be authorized to issue a Rock Breaking Permit to remove approximately 3.0 to 5.0 cubic meters of rock for the purpose of installing an [in-ground] swimming pool.

10. Change to Council Meeting Schedule for October 20, 2008 (File: 0120-01)

RECOMMENDED: the Council Workshop scheduled for Oct 20 be changed to a Special Council Meeting.

ADOPTION OF BYLAW

11. District of West Vancouver Delegation Bylaw No. 4580, 2008 to Establish West Vancouver 2010 Leadership Committee (File: 1610-20-4580)

CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS

12. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence

REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA (rec'd for information)

13. Development Applications Status List (File: 1010-01)

14. Dundarave Preschool by the Sea Society Modification Agreement (File: 1145-02)

...agreement dated July 22, 2008

CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR CONSENT AGENDA

15. Correspondence List (File: 0120 24)

Correspondence Received up to September 26, 2008

Requests for Delegation -- No items presented.

Action Required

1. September 21, 2008, regarding Large Trees Adjacent to Property Boundary

Referred to Director of Parks and Community Services for consideration and response.

2. September 25, 2008, regarding and Power Outages and Bike Path on Marine Drive

Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

3. September 26, 2008, regarding Bike Route between 13th Street and Park Royal

Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.

No Action Required (receipt only)

4. D. Rutherford, North Shore Neighbourhood House, September 26, 2008, regarding "Thanks for Giving" Reception

5. D. Lang, Lang Motors, September 21, 2008, regarding Electric Vehicles

6. September 22, 2008, regarding Characterization of West Vancouver

{abolish councils? some examples from UK}

7. September 22, 2008, regarding Hugo Ray Park

8. September 23, 2008, regarding Hugo Ray Park

{both raise eyebrows and

9. D. Stewart, Community Housing Action Cmte, September 23, 2008 regarding Community Dialogue Working Group Report

10. September 23, 2008, regarding Filming on Lions' Gate Bridge

Responses to Correspondence -- No items presented.

Responses to Questions in Question Period -- No items presented.

16. REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS 17. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS 17. ADJOURNMENT

=== NEWSWATCH === the methane time bomb; Saudi TV

+++ Tues, 23 Sept: The first evidence that millions of tons of a greenhouse gas 20 times more potent than carbon dioxide is being released into the atmosphere from beneath the Arctic seabed has been discovered by scientists.

http://www.independent.co.uk/environment/climate-change/exclusive-the-methane-time-bomb-938932.html

+++ Saudi cleric favours killing TV-channel owners for obscenity -- CBC News

A senior cleric in Saudi Arabia has declared on state radio that it is acceptable to kill owners of satellite TV channels that air immoral programs. Sheikh Salih Ibn al-Luhaydan made the comment on Wednesday in response to a listener who asked his opinion about TV programs that feature scantily-clad women during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan, according to BBC News.

Salih al-Luhaydan is also chairman of the Saudi Supreme Judicial Council.

He replied to the listener by saying that some of those "evil" entertainment shows promoted debauchery.

"The owners of these channels are as guilty as those who watch them," said the sheikh.

"It is legitimate to kill those who call for corruption if their evil can not be stopped by other penalties."

He said those programs caused the "deviance of thousands of people" because they feature "seduction, obscenity and vulgarity."

His comments have caused a big stir in the Middle East, as several Saudi princes own satellite networks.

There's been no response so far from the Saudi royal family.

=== HISTORYWATCH ===

Various commentators on CNN, BBC, etc, have said that Ahmadinejad (Stephen Colbert calls him I'maDinnerJacket) have said that his remark re 'wiping off map' was mistranslated. The comparison was just as the Soviet Union was wiped off map, IOW no longer appears (now as Russia, etc). Problem is he's not exactly an engaging personality so easy to attribute wingnut ideas (to join some of is others). Pundits feel he will lose elections next year (as he did this year) and in any case he doesn't hold power. When trying to find the translation (and I still can't in the few minutes I've spent), I also found out to my surprise that Iran had given the US intelligence to help stop the civil war in Iraq and to counter al Qaeda. And that confirmed a reporter's claim that the relative calm (and Gen Petraeus still says it's fragile) was due in large part not to the Surge but to Iran's pressure on al-Sadr to lay down arms.

Here are some tidbits:

+ Ahmadinejad Censored, Distorted in US Media

by Juan Cole (source: Informed Comment) Saturday, September 20, 2008

60 Minutes Interviewed Iranian President Mahmud Ahmadinejad a couple of years ago. They cut some key passages out of the interview.

I've made the same point at Informed Comment in the past.

It is legitimate to decry his positions, and I decry a lot of them. It is not legitimate to misrepresent what he has said.

By the way, Nazila Fathi at the NYT again today attributed to Ahmadinejad the phrase "wipe Israel off the face of the map." He didn't say it, and spoke of the regime. He quoted Khomeini saying, "This occupation regime over Jerusalem must vanish from the page of time." (Een rezhim-e eshghalgar-i Quds bayad az safhih-i ruzgar mahv shavad; the verb construction mahv shodan is intransitive). (Khomeini had said 'vanish from the arena of time.') He has explained that he meant that the Zionist regime would collapse just as the Soviet one did. He didn't threaten to wipe anything off anything.

Fathi and her editors know all this.

Fathi is either a liar or was forced into this falsification by an editor who is a liar.

The Iranian press has acknowledged that I am right on this issue.