Ccl NOTES Oct 6
AGENDAs Oct 20
Calendar to Oct 31st

by Carolanne Reynolds, Editor

One election down and two to go! (Nov 15 and May 2009): all three levels of govt in seven months!
IN THIS ISSUE:                            
MAIN ITEMS Oct 20 PUBLIC HEARING/Ccl Mtg Agendas: PH on revised grade and FAR calculations (decks); Spirit Trail; SPCA Operating Agreement; Correspondence about MDr Gateway, B C Binning House, $30K in grants from prov govt to DWV; Finance Cmte and Budget 2009
=  ELECTIONWATCH; Vive le Canada; from the EDITOR'S DESK (Research DWV Mtgs); UPDATES (WRA & Smart Growth)
=  CALENDAR to Oct 31st (well, as much as known at the moment!)
=  Ccl Mtg NOTES Oct 6th: Homelessness; Joint Operating Agreement between WV Cmnty Ctrs Services and the District; HBay Firehall site 6520 and 6540 Marine Dr zoning change to three sgl-fam; 2009 Permissive Tax Exemptions; Rock Removal at 3320 Thompson Cr for swimming pool; Dundarave Preschool by the Sea Society Modification Agreement; Power Outage
=  Ccl Mtg Oct 20th AGENDA (abbreviated, with entire Letter No 16 on Finance and Budget 2009)
=  LANGUAGEWATCH (Anagram, Diagramming Sarah); Haiku; Quotations

604 842 1547, 925 7045; election@westvancouver.ca & www.westvancouver.ca/election.aspx
Also:  http://www.westvancouver.ca/Government/Level3.aspx?id=130
+  7pm Wed Oct 15 (Membership at Sentinel Secondary) and Thurs Oct 23 (Endorsement at KMC): WV Citizens for Good Govt ACM mtgs.  Memberships postmarked Oct 16 were the last to be accepted to vote for slate Oct 23.   Website is www.wvcgg.ca with email address and directors' phone numbers.
+  7pm Tues Oct 21: the WRA All-Candidates Meeting at the Gleneagles Community Centre; doors open at 6:30.
+  Wed Oct 22: Ch of Commerce breakfast mtg 7:30am at Hollyburn Country Club for mayoralty candidates to complete: "If I am elected as the Mayor of the District of West Vancouver in November, I will promote, enhance, and facilitate business in our community by=8A"  RSVP by 5pm Friday Oct 17; call 926 6614
[+ The Real Estate Board is having the mayoralty candidates also; mbrs/invitational]
+  7pm Tues Oct 28: Legacy North Shore Society's ACM mtg at Hollyburn Elementary School
+  7pm, Wed Nov 5: BPAHA ACM mtg at WV United, 2062 Esquimalt
        For Mayor: John Clark, Max Clough, Pamela Goldsmith-Jones, Vivian Vaughan
For Council (six): Lynne Block, Danielle Charlton, Michael Evison, Nora Gambioli, Gregg Henderson, Alex Horsburgh, Michael Lewis, Max Nikpay, Trish Panz,  Med Rahbar (withdrawn), Carolanne Reynolds, Michael Smith, Bill Soprovich, Shannon Walker
{NOTE: Max Clough and Alex Horsburgh did not appear at the Oct 15 ACM; neither did Michael Lewis but was told he does not want to participate in the WVCGG process.}
For School Trustee (five): Tanya Audain, Mary-Ann Booth, Sam Cole, Cindy Dekker, Jane Kellett, Tamara Leger, Barry Lindahl, Dave Stevenson, Coral Winfield

=== Vive le Canada ===
+ Election Facts, thanks to VSun: 168K fewer Canadians voted Tory in this election than last; the Liberals have not won a majority with an Anglophone leader since Mackenzie King in 1945; if Dion steps down he will be only the second Liberal leader in Canada's history not to become PM (Edward Blake in the 1880s was the first).
+ Congratulations to Andrew Saxton and John Weston
+ Condolences at the passing of past NV Mayor, Murray Dykeman.
+  PASSCHENDAELE -- Paul Gross's movie, a homage to Canada.  We have to find out about our heritage so we can celebrate it and keep it alive.
The battle took place in 1917 when Canada was only 50 years old.  We had under 8M in population yet we sent more than 600,000 to the Western Front.  If you've travelled in the Gulf Islands, many Englishmen had settled there but answered the call of WW1, thus depopulating some (rest of family cdn't stay), and the reason you see the cairns.
+  TYPOS -- those typo leprechauns are a menace!  The L was supposed to be a B (in the last issue). Apologies.
1  What's the oldest incorporated city in Canada?
Saint John is in New Brunswick, not Newfoundland.  Of course it was all the British Empire Loyalists' doing, bringing their experience with govt in the Thirteen Colonies up to the north.  Think that's why UNB is the oldest university in Canada -- 1784, no?  Besides, the city in Newfoundland is St John's.  St John's however is the oldest English-founded city in North America (guess incorporation is another category -- maybe I'll let them battle it out).  Newfoundland became a colony in 1583 and didn't join Canada until 1949.

..... from the EDITOR'S DESK -- Research re DWV Ccl Mtgs
If you want to find out about a DWV topic, all you have to do is go to www.westvan.org, scroll to the bottom of the home page, and type in the topic in the Google site search field wch then brings up references, speeches, said during a WV ccl mtg in the past years.
===   UPDATES   ===
At the WRA mtg the SmartGrowth Workshop with Ione Smith went very well.  It was interesting to think about the unity of the Sea-to-Sky Corridor and how the predicted increase in population will have a major impact on West Vancouver.  Ione focused on the way an extensive and connected Green Belt in the Corridor was a precursor to shaping compact, dense, self-sufficient development along Howe Sound and beyond.  As the Horseshoe Bay area is a funnel through which all northern traffic must pass, WRA is always concerned about the way growth will be handled.

===  CALENDAR to Oct 31st  === [at Hall unless otherwise noted; pls see check for changes/additions]
==  Friday Oct 17
        ~ 11:30am ~  Heritage WG
        ~ WV Police Department's 2008 Cops for Cancer: Tour de Coast Cyclists' Gala Evening
To acknowledge the achievement of the WV Police Department's 2008 Cops for Cancer - Tour de Coast cyclists, a second Gala Event will be held, graciously hosted at the private residence of Mr. Eric Savics.  Limited tickets are available in advance for $250 . Contact:  Cpl Fred Harding at 604-925-7353 or  fredharding@wvpd.ca  or from Mrs. Ana Unger at anaungerc4c@hotmail.com
*  Native Plant Restoration Planting
Saturday, October 18 --  Please join the Lighthouse Park Preservation Society for a restoration planting of native plants at Lighthouse Park. 9am - noon. If you would like to help for an hour or two, please wear old clothes and work gloves, and meet us at the upper kiosk in the parking lot.
*  Concert
Sunday, Oct 19 at 3pm --  St Francis in the Wood: Angela Larsen, Concert Pianist; $15 includes refreshments.
==  Wednesday Oct 22
        ~ 1:30pm ~ Arts and Culture Facilities WG
        ~ 6:30pm ~ Child Care WG -- moved to Nov 5     
==  Thursday Oct 23 ~ 5:30pm ~ Police Bd Mtg at WVPD Boardroom
==  Thursday Oct 30
        ~ 4:45 ~ Finance Cmte  /and/  ~ 5pm ~ NSACDI at DNV M Hall

   In the Gallery to Oct 31: Recent works by Parvis Djamtorki, Tannis Turner, and Sa Boothroyd.
+  Let's Speak English!  Join the group, make new friends and practise your English conversation skills at the Library every Friday in October from 10:30am -12noon.  No registration required.  For info 925 7402.
Join Joe Ronsley for readings and discussion of the works of one of the best poets of the 20th century.  Tues mornings:  Oct 21, Nov 4, 18, 25, and Dec 2. 10:30 - 12:30pm.  No registration required, drop-ins welcome.   Poster; Reading List
Join us for vibrant discussions on burning issues of the day.  We meet from 10:30am - 12:30pm one Friday each month (usually the fourth Friday).  Enjoy the snacks and coffee hospitably provided. Everyone welcome. Registration not required. Admission $5. Co-sponsored by S.F.U. 
Moderator: Randall MacKinnon has a Master's in Social Policy and Planning. He is an IDEASage with MackINNOVATION, a service consultancy.
October 24: 101 things Canadians should know about Canada
The Dominion Institute conducted a survey of Canadians to determine what they saw as national symbols or icons. In between the maple leaf at number 1 and Canadian elections which came 101st, there were many exciting, questionable, supportable, and debatable suggestions. Come discuss and join the debate! All of the icons will be there for you to pronounce on. We may even select our own top ten icons that we believe help to weave us together as a nation.

>   ROCK  PAPER   SCISSORS  -- October 21 - November 2
Mixed Media Exhibition featuring: Hal Barber, Elizabeth de Beer, Heather Fisher, Terry George, Alan Maples, Nancy Ricker, Janis Wasend, Joanne Waters
Opening Reception: Tues, Oct 21, 6-8pm; Artists in Attendance:  Sat, Oct 25, 2-3pm
See: http://ferrybuildinggallery.com/exhibitions/upcoming_exhibition
>  News for Artists -- Arts Connection - a dynamic networking group for artists
Would you like to be a member?  Join us at the next meeting October 29, 10am - 12 noon.  For more info, see http://ferrybuildinggallery.com/news_for_artists

+++ SILK PURSE +++  (1570 Argyle) www.silkpurse.ca
+  October 7 - October 19 -- "2x2: Two Artists, Two Portrait Styles"
A portrait is a painting, photograph, sculpture, or other artistic representation of a person, in which the face and its expression is predominant. The intent is to display the likeness, personality, and even the mood of the person. Join Lower Mainland artists Stevie Elphick and Rosa Gramuglia as they celebrate their distinct artistic style. View works of faces and flowers versus portraits in oil. Options to purchase works or commission works by the artists!
+  Wed Oct 15 ~ Caroun Photo Club (CPC), www.CarounPhotoClub.com
        CPC monthly meetings are held on the third Wednesday, 7 - 9 pm of each month.
        ALSO: Photography Tours: Reifel Sanctuary Oct 26; Queen Elizabeth Park Nov 2
        info: www.CarounPhotoClub.com
+ October 21 - November 2 -- "Blanket Statement"
Aboriginal tapestries, drums, blankets and cravings can be unique in their complexity/intricacy, spirituality, usefulness, ingenuity, magnitude, beauty, and legacy. Explore the work of Haida artists Anastasia and Danielle Hendry, Thompson First Nations artist Mary Jane Joe, Musqueam artist Chrystal Sparrow, and Micmac artist BerniceThompson, and artists in an exhibition of blankets and baskets. Pieces include button blankets, tapestries, leather cushions and drums.  With:
Opening Reception: TUESDAY October 21st from 6-8 pm

+++  WV MUSEUM +++  Visit: http://www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com/
The Prints of Alistair Bell  to February 7, 2009
Canadian master printmaker Alistair Bell produced some 300 prints over the span of 62 years. Impressions of Nature: The Prints of Alistair Bell examines the contemplative prints and drawings that Bell created in his home studio in West Vancouver until he passed away in 1997. Bell's main interests eschew the human in favour of solitary animals and birds, as well as atypical landscapes and vegetation, boats and harbour scenes. All of these subjects attracted Bell with their strong, often linear or angular form, and are rendered with a striking clarity and expressiveness. His remarkable ability to capture the inner essence of his subjects -- achieved through a meticulous process of observation and abstraction -- sets Bell's graphic images apart, as they have us see the world intimately and unexpectedly anew
Special Talks on Printmaking
        ~ 1:30pm ~ Saturday Oct 18 Guest Speaker: Taiga Chiba
Taiga Chiba has worked internationally seeking inspiration and acquiring alternative skills that build on the traditional Japanese printmaking techniques he uses in his own art. He will share his experience teaching printmaking to Inuit artists in Nunavut and as an artist in residence in Mexico, India, Brazil, and Thailand.
To see the electronic newsletter, the address is http://kaymeekcentre.weebly.com.  Getting onto the mail list: the simplest method is to call the box office (604 913 3634) or email tickets@kaymeekcentre.com

Find out what's happening by visiting: http://www.westvan60.com/newsletter.html
or http://www.westvan60.com/Images/The%20Torch%20Newsletter%20-%20Fall-2008.pdf

In Honour of all Those who Served in the Cause of Peace and Freedom
Jeremy Woodham, Poppy Campaign Chair:
Donations to our Poppy Trust Fund would be gratefully accepted.
Email:  legionbranch60@gmail.com; T: 922 3587; F: 922- 2659; Mail: 580 - 18th St, WV, V7V 3V7.

===   THEATREWATCH   ===
Feeling like watching a bit of silliness?  Take a trip to see LEADING LADIES at the Richmond Gateway Theatre, but hurry to buy tix -- we got the last two on Saturday Oct 18, but it's on a bit longer.
Also will be going to see By Some Divine Mistake at the Jericho Arts Ctr.  It's about Alma.  You know, the v young second wife of Sir Francis Rattenbury, architect of the Parliament Buildings in Victoria, who when they were in England took the gardener as a lover who then killed Sir F and when he was convicted she drowned herself; Sir Terence Rattigan wrote Cause Celebre about this and Stoner lived to see it but refused to comment.  There.  I've told you the plot.  We all know the story -- rather infamous BC history.  Now let's see how the play deals with it.

===  COUNCIL MTG NOTES Oct 6 ===

Mayor: before we begin, I've got a couple of announcements
wrt the last week or so and the world's economy and WV's investment portfolio, I'd like to report that under the Cmnty Charter and LGA, Ms are restricted in the securities that they invest in and accordingly, our portfolio consists of Cdn chartered bank notes, prov and fed govt bonds, and govt-guaranteed mortgage-backed bonds.  Our professional investment advisers indicate that these high-quality Cdn instruments are not directly affected by the current chaos and institutional collapse within the US credit system, however we will be impacted indirectly by overall market conditions in the form of lower investment yields for the balance of the year, and going forward into 2009.  Having said that, our Dir/Finance is confident that we will achieve our budget targets for 2008.

{Reassuring and much appreciated that the Mayor wd comment on the worrying economic situation.
It is interesting to note that the West Vancouver investment portfolio generated a return of -0.16% (that negative sign is not a typo) in the second quarter (the most recent information available). Although it made 3.01% in the first quarter, it is going to be difficult to make the $1.2M predicted in the budget if Q3 and Q4 look anything like Q2.}

As well, announce this is the beginning of ride-share week; access www.ride-share.com
Competition for businesses, highest participation
Also Homelessness Action Week taking place across the region, focus on need for safe, affordable housing... many things we can do... Habitat for Humanity
Add to Item 6 from CAO; change in title of Item 10, Chg to ccl mtg schedule; add 10.1 withholding permits
2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES: September 22, 2008 Regular Council Meeting.
3.  A. Mauboules, Homelessness Task Force regarding Homelessness Action Week and General Update (File: 2620-01)
AM: number of homeless in WV; Ms to work together
plsd to introduce Eric Black from Vanc Coastal Health, and Paul Butler from Hollyburn Family Services; garner help; main msg from our ten-year work plan is the six focus areas; been working on plan for a year; a number of issues we've already proceeded with: homeless count (in 2008 number has increased by 22% since 2005; on NSh increased by 49%, for total 127, with 4 from WV; staying in parks, alleyways), your park staff think 10 to 15 in parks and upper lands; 80 volunteers from NSh participated in the count; believe higher, around 200; asked principals in schools and number came back as 37 in addition to the 127; outreach position,
The NSh Task Force started in 1998 to examine homelessness; proud of major projects, the shelter and transition house, and the Youth Safe House; smaller projects (in brochure)
Mayor: you've got ten minutes
AM: gathering info, advocacy.... support services; homeless resource card, mental health workers
ten-year work plan; Paul will talk about the--
PB: don't know how much time I have
Mayor: three or four minutes
Paul: so start with Oct 12 to 19 Homeless Week; action to support; Thanksgiving Dinner; hygiene kit, game bulldogs; all schools across NSh, clothing drive for chn homeless
NSh Youth Safe House, opened 2007; 142 chn have gone through safe house, 97 new chn
homeless partnership initiative -- hippie fund
fed govt does require Hollyburn...
schools raising funds through grad progs; Shoppers Drug Mart, Tree of Hope Initiative; Soroptimists fund raising
wd like to share two stories; 14- to 18-yr-olds
today I picked up a 13-yr-old under-nourished; [have] picked up an18-yr-old living in a shed
asked him why homeless? nobody asked
just wants to get his [school?], no food, ...
when opened Sept 21st, I received a 12-year-old ....   Erin Black
Sop: thanks for update; social sustainability work done over year, ongoing consulting
4.  Update regarding Homelessness on the North Shore (File: 2620-11)
        Mayor: report from our staff, rec'd for information
5.  Community Sport Working Group Final Report (File: 0117-20-CS)
1. the attached report entitled "Final Report from the Community Sport Working Group" be received for information;
2. the Community Sport Working Group recommendation to implement an ongoing field sport forum be approved;
3. the Community Sport Working Group recommendation to develop a formal field allocation policy be approved;
4. the Community Sport Working Group recommendation to convert the field usage fee system to an hourly system be approved in principle.
JF: thank all of the mbrs of the group, hours of work, pls stand and be recognized [named them]
Mary-Jo Campbell: in the interests of time will skip over our purpose, and go down to what we did
Jan 2008, met monthly, mtgs were open occasionally attended by some sports groups
three subgroups to discuss key tasks: capital imp, field alloc, field usage fees
public forum Apr 30; v successful
devpd and dist'd the prelim recs to the field sport groups in early Sept
a number of views arose repeatedly
imp of maintaining affordability; many opposed imposition of user fees
if fees, groups said youth be charged less than adults
little support for introducing a premium for non-resid, addressed through priority
important to maintain dialogue between field users and muni staff -- scheduling, capital improvements, staying abreast of issues of common concern
maintenance of DWV sport fields at least to existing standard
usage fees more palatable if dedicated to Cap Imp Fund rather than maintenance
many fields lack basic amenities; shortage of field time
rather than a per-head task; rec hourly use model in 2009
baseball can go on for hours not knowing, whereas soccer allocated time and must finish
supported by field sport groups
will increase efficient use and reduce block booking
on rectangular that have alt all weather, only be charged for the grass-field
youth sports played on diamonds, partly reduced fee recogn not times like other sports
this accommodates use of grass fields that need to be preserved
rec Ccl direct staff to formulate the 2009 field usage fee rates based on an hourly rate fee structure rather than the per capita structure
lower hourly field for youth as adults/ may be difficult since four times as many youth use fields than adults
want ppl play sports from cradle to grave
U18 to university -- no better off able to pay fees
if 2009 field use revenue exceeds $100? surplus funds shd be held in trust in case of shortfall
continues, toward cap imp
recs consultation with field user groups if future changes considered
Field Sport Forum ideal
C5 maintenance continue to at least same standard as in place
recog imp role field sports play in promoting active and healthy lifestyles in our cmnty
facilitate and enhance success
thx to all field sport groups; thx to Sch Bd and M staff; and to Cclr JF for invaluable insight and time she spent with us
Sop: Is there a policy for chn in this cmnty that if you don't pay you don't play
Ans: no, neutral as a group; as mbr of soccer club if anyone U6 to 18 who cannot afford, they will be granted field privileges without having to pay a fee
have several dozen and we do have 50 families not able to pay...
Sop: Vancouver now has nine artif fields and they don't charge
take this and assimilate it for a bit
do we need another body to tell the Dist how to spend our money?
Lady: more getting input only, not telling you
more as to priorities, what's imp to sporting groups, how they wd rank them
we found diff sporting groups spoke to each other at the Forum, some recognized desires/needs more immediate than their own
get them to collaborate with each other
re chn being able to pay for free in Vanc, not sure that's the case
in WV, there are 5000 youth and 1200 adults playing
looking at reduced fee, diff b/c fewer adults playing; prob we face here
Sop: all 5000 from WV?
Ans: no, but majority
Sop: ever talk about a Society running these sports?
Ans lady: the Cmnty Ctr society was looked at, shd be watched; felt that sort of structure not needed
JF: the Field Sport User Group did not institute fees, Ccl did
WG as to how to meet
if you feel Youth shdn't pay then bring up at budget time
Sop: yes, I did that
VV: lower fees for youth sports, not on clock
assume youth that play cricket wd as well
Man: that was urged upon us youth less than adults
have yet to find out if DCCC [?] receives the report
if there is a decrease for youth, has to be shouldered by adult
        adult group too small, may burden too great
Sop: wd like to have some time to think about this; receive for info until staff confer with Ccl what wd be right to approve and not
Mayor: thank you at this time for your ..., collaboration, and ...; helped Ccl enormously, .... fantastic job, tyvm
JF: prior to making motion; the staff mbr, Corinne Ambor, worked v carefully with the working group; she and staff highly supportive of recommendations of WG
MOVE rec'd for info
Mayor: go through all and support all four
Sop: no defeats my [point]
Mayor: my question is, is there any mbr of Ccl suggesting separating?
Sop: I
Mayor: then rec'd for info
now Field Sport Forum
Sop: my hat's off to any group; once received up to Ccl to say where going
probably some discussion about creating a new Forum
wdn't like to approve until have those discussions
MS: am holding a lengthy [report] so we cd deal with this tonight
staff report is here, dated Sept 22 so don't know why filibustering this and attached report from staff
JF: WG found all the groups in the cmnty, first time ever gotten together to talk about needs and concerns and they were overjoyed with the opp to do that
....dispelled entirely, began to support each other, began to understand why differences
plsd to have opp; helpful for Ccl and staff
Mayor: question
Sop: may I comment?
Mayor: yes, briefly
Sop: yes, good in staff report but reports are reports then we shd look at sensibly and look at what comes out of any WG; can argue staff have done their work, done a wonderful job, when Ccl do job ... future....
MS: if you address Ccl to me, staff to Ccl, read
Sop: I have read
Mayor: ....; now to discuss...  long overdue .... long overdue .... Staff...  call question on motion
Mayor: three
Mayor: four
JF: move to an hourly system
Mayor: question for staff, will we have a recommendation from staff as to how this will work?
KP: yes; needs a bit more work wch is why 'in principle' and we'll get back to you
Mayor: Question
CARRIES with one opposed [Sop]
6.  Draft Joint Operating Agreement between West Vancouver Community Centres Services Society and the District (File: 0117-20-CCG)
Mayor: Barbara Brink joins us this evening to report
BB: [slides] collaboration and a common focus; foster cmnty ownership
non-profit society established; purpose of society is to oversee the operation of the designated cmnty facilities, max cmnty involvement, cmnty leadership and to add value (list)
Mission Vision Values
building cmnty; coordination alliances and partnerships; welcoming and sustainable; social rec and cultural hub; benefits in a cost-eff manner
cmnty, innovation, learning, partnership, inclusiveness, responsibility, integration
everyone will be seen as a learner
cmnty, staff, Vanc Coastal Health etc partnership
July 14 Cmnty Ctr Society
Key Features of the JOA [slide]
safeguards [slide]
District Human Resources
exec Dir who will report to both the District and the Society
collaborative relnship; fiscal accountability
Cmnty [lead?].... and owned ...
mechanism to increase collab and inv
review of arrangement; specific point of contact for getting involved; pursuit of add'l funding
may terminate...
thanks to staff and board, sp mtg tomorrow night; Cmnty Ctr and Aq Ctr
Mayor: thanks, any questions, thank CAO
Sop moved: the Joint Operating Agreement as attached to the report dated Sept 30, 2008 be approved.
CAO: one item 9.1 page 15, 16, clerical change
mbrship shall be limited to the DWV of [age?] 16 and add: older who own real property
Sop recounted process: right way to do business; that's why I shudder getting night of ...; my hat's off to you
Mayor: indication of work, call question
Carries -- flying colours
7.   Future Use of Fire Hall No. 2 Site (Lots 2, 3 & 4 - 6520 & 6540 Marine Drive) (File: 0510-18)  
Bruce McArthur: I've seen lots or reports, I live right next door to this prop
this one says preparing zoning in preparing for construction; staff prior to sale
looks like this is moving to sale rather quickly without enough consultation with adjacent prop owners
report shows the layout; in general I'm in favour of three lots and.35, concept is okay; and think I cd even put up with changes in setback allowances, reasonably sized homes on this property
in the analysis; used prior layout of three lots presented in June
I raised question at that time, don't think that wd work b/c of storm, drainage, ... laid out in old arrangement, wd like to be assured; services won't allow this sort of arrangement
understand why changed, b/c of corner, flanking lot; think you'll have to look at this further
another minor prob, soil contamination
little disappointed M didn't come back to me and tell me what's going to happen in future
talked to Sokol and Gordon Reid and I thought they said the Envmtal WG wd get back to me
still taking about drilling holes in my prop re contamination in my yard
what exposure I have and what mediation might be required
they tell me all testing so far no prob yet they want to dig a deeper hole
something mysterious about what happened in my mind anyway
Mayor: wd like to get responses, but are your comments just about concluding?
BMcA: at back of report, says design guidelines for sgl-fam dwellings
under plantings; rear so many lots filled with natural vegetation
see att 1, the native plants they talk about are ........   and bamboo

{Some of us cdn't help laughing at bamboo in the category of a native plant!!!}

not .... M telling them they can put plants adjacent to my prop
somebody shd take some of the offensive plants out of
Mayor: absolutely
Sokol: had thought I was going to make my presentation first

{he's right; usually staff make a presentation before the public comment so perhaps a bit disconcerted}

saw plants...  assumed it had been vetted by staff design guidelines
wrt utilities, wd be determined; that's when those issues wd be dealt with
talked with Mr McA a month ago and assumed his question has been answered

CR: Carolanne Reynolds, Editor of West Van Matters
I just had a question about this in principle and was hoping I cd offer some suggestions that wd be practical.  I've heard these discussions, going on for some time, and that some ppl had wanted, in the interests of raising money -- we need the money -- of changing this into multi-family, or something like this.  Someone else wanted three sgl-fam, but what occurred to me, and I did a bit of research with realtors, is that if the sgl-fam homes that are being built right now, many of them have secondary suites wch at this moment are not legal...  [so you're going to get six units most probably]
So my practical suggestion for your consideration please is that if you consider the property as one whole property, a property, instead of three sgl-fams with secondary suites, maybe you cd consider a building or two, two buildings with four and two, or three and three, or one building with six suites of varying sizes, that wd enable you to have affordability with a small one, and have a range of the six.  It wd allow you to have bigger setbacks b/c you have one or two bldgs instead of three wch wd address some of the nbr's problems.  So I was wondering if it's still up for consideration, b/c having the same number of units you're going to get, six, but in a different configuration wch allows for more landscaping, more green area, but with more of a range and some affordability. 
I just wanted to throw that out while you're still discussing what to do.  If maybe this wd be a compromise ... one building [or variation] instead of as some ppl have said, three separates. Thank you.

Christine Banham: take adv of suggestions form WG ....
with public process perhaps come to same result but cd be double tracked at same time
Sokol: staff believe the ... meets a number of the goals set out in WG
reduced setbacks, better compatibility...
if moving forward, a second direction, prepare some conditions of sale we might put on prop, further add'l goals
requiring houses built to green standards, ... , pervious driveways
Mayor: ask Ccl F to introduce the motion
JF moved: that
1. Council direct staff to prepare zoning bylaws to allow for the construction of three single family homes, with design controls and limited floor area, at Lots 2, 3, & 4 - 6520 & 6540 Marine Drive.
2. Council direct staff to report back to Council prior to the sale of the property/ies on potential conditions to be placed on the sale that will enable the achievement of additional community goals of sustainability and affordability.
VV: exceptional piece of property, not sure we're getting the best out of it with this approach; from my own point of view I've not been in favour of what wd be called spot zoning in a sgl-fam nbrhd but this was not sgl-fam it was a firehall, public use designation so I don't think it has necessarily to be converted to sgl-fam units.
So my thought is that what Ms Reynolds has just said is quite important
b/c if this is three houses, given common practice and might become legitimized, means these three houses will have six households b/c they'll build maximum basements, and the tradition of the homeowner having a tenant will occur
Now you might consider that the M wd get good value from the sale of these properties on that basis, but the truth is the M has ongoing expenses and has to collect annual property tax.  And if three houses, property taxes from three houses, but no property tax relative to the other three households occupying those bldgs, and there is logic and a viable case to be made for a fiscal impact analysis
what if we took the same sq ft area, described here of 5600sf, and added that to what the WG said, a high request by ppl for the really small house, below 1500sf, between 1000 and 1500sf, wd we not be better financially in the long term, bearing in mind what the WG wants, to do five houses, no basements when you talk about constraints, so that we can collect annual prop taxes from five households on that piece of land, than potentially the three with these layouts?  And I also think it shd not negatively impact the most-affected nbr on Nelson
I imagined architecture with innovative design, outdoor sitting area for new houses be onto MDr rather than at the back toward the nbr on Nelson; these cd be a courtyard situation, no reason to have their outdoor patios in close proximity
don't think we've explored this optimally, don't think we've foreseen the fiscal impact, not just the initial sale price but the ongoing annual tax revenue to the M; and the compliance with the ppl looking for small houses who've said less than 1500sf
these houses are just shy of 2000sf but they'll have a basement, and that'll be the most of another 1000sf
This is my point, instead of three houses essentially 3000sf each with six households, we wd be better off and I think the public wd be better served if we had five, above ground no basements, complying with what ppl said they want and giving us a better return of M tax revenue
I wd just like us to show why that wd not be better
JC: won't be supporting this motion tonight, flies in face of recommendations of WRA and from WG a couple of weeks ago
was my understanding wd be an opp, taken advantage of, a M site we were going to look at various other methods and measures for the use of this land
still waiting to see what brilliant ideas come up though the whole process
right back where we were six months ago, with three sgl-fam homes on it!
I just don't know, don't understand why we can't be a little more creative at no extra cost, it's just be more creative
Sokol: belief staff believes this advances goals of WG and consistent with surrounding nbrhd
Sop: understand what Cclr JC says, HBay is a unique area, even above
not made any final decisions wrt density change; recommendations, a lot of good ideas
until we sit down and have a discussion, wch was rec from Christine and group
we actually have to go ahead and say, looking at HBay, what do we want? is that a logical place for a density?
staff made recommendation some time ago and said, here's a logical site, not that big, made the presentation to us; based on all before us, wdn't support any more than what staff have provided
Not saying I wdn't look for other things in other areas of HBay, but specific areas where cd entertain that
It's not there in that site, in my view
I think Mr McArthur, explained, was not WRA's decision supporting that high density

{Whoa, there! Who's advocating high density?  I'm certainly not (didn't) and neither did Cclr V.  VV clarified it with numbers -- if each house is 3Ksf (with a basement over 1Ksf) and houses today have sec stes (wch in fact might be legalized), three sgl-fam houses mean six households.  If that's what you're going to get, say we, why not do it legally and then the six households can be taxed?
Neither of us suggested a higher sq ftg than what the three sgl-fam houses are now.
Moreover, I posited varied and/or smaller units to address the affordability issue.}

still coming back to us, you say Mr Sokol, construction, green design and everything else, can still improve on this
staff report, sensible, well laid out; if staff had thought differently they wd have told us they didn't support it
JF: I find it interesting, sweet irony, that I normally champion of higher density and multi-fam, and those championing sgl fam housing seem to be proposing densification -- a reversal of roles, quite interesting

{densification? what densification?  has JF missed the point as well?  You're going to get six units even if zoned for three sgl-fam houses; we're just saying legalize it so you can tax it!}

think we've had a great deal of public input on this site; including a public charette, though apparently someone thought not public enough
professional planners have looked at the site from all angles, including with the public at the charette, and have told us regardless of how much they wd like to see multi-fam in this particular area, there are some constraints that don't make it the best choice for this site
I'm not an architect, not a planner, in spite of my passion for multi-fam particularly in walking distance of elementary schools and this is
feel compelled to support staff; don't think they'd be making this recommendation if at all workable to accommodate multi-fam on this site.

{er, um, but now that it's been pointed out that three sgl-fam homes of 3K each (esp with basements over 1Ksf) will most likely have sec stes, ie six units, THERE IS NO CHANGE IN THE NUMBER OF UNITS, so why this continuous misrepresentation as -- horrors! -- densification when it's the same number of units??? and the same sq ftg???}

MS: almost like a bad movie; reality is this shd hv bn decided years ago when decision made to replace the firehall; you wd come forward in a normal biz-like setting with a plan to build a new firehall and with an attached for disposing of the old site

{makes so much sense; of course before closing the firehall the decision shd hv been made what the new zoning wd be so no lost time and M wd get money right away!}

here we are; amt of staff time, and brought back to Ccl, almost unbelievable
here's a report Oct 2007 Ccl authorized staff to come forward with bylaws to rezone as a three sgl-fam lot site
Explore alternatives; so WG suggested public charette -- Jan 21st 2008, Ccl directed holding one re various options for the property [done]; in June staff reported back that best use was for three modest-sized sgl-fam homes with some design controls.  We're not running a left-wing experiment here we're trying to handle M revenue and M assets in most effective way possible; and best as staff keeps point out is to rezone as three sgl-fam lots; already missed a blazing hot housing market we shd hv hit -- now we're fiddling around talking about green roofs and everything else.
We shd rezone these lots, and get on with it; put the For Sale signs out and move on.
This is a M asset and we shd be selling it for the highest and best use.

{er um -- bit of a contradiction there.  Selling for highest wd mean multi-fam to get the most money for the M.  How can we get across that at the size given in the zoning it will mean sec stes wch means the three homes at 3Ksf each -- and remember one-bedroom apartments in the West end are 500sf -- will most probably mean tenants to help pay the mortgage, so our suggestion is exactly the same number of units anticipated, not higher density -- HOWEVER to make it more units, say nine at 1Ksf each wd certainly be a higher use and further the goals of the WG and OCP with smaller and more affordable units.
So who's trying to get the most from this M asset?}

RD: think I agree Cclr F and Sop; have looked at this carefully; lot small
normally in favour of multifam on a site such as this but site really too small to do much with; surrounded by sgl fam homes; better stick with sgl-fam format; other sites might be more suitable, not much room for experiment and don't think area wd be happy with experiment
Planning has studied this carefully cautiously, on right track, will vote in favour
Mayor: agree with Cclr Smith
I was at that charette; was most interest in small sgl-fam homes, but the benefit of the time we've taken is that attitudes are shifting, the benefit of the fact that it's our, the taxpayer's, property; can put design controls than a normal sgl-fam home where we cdn't
The overwhelming response from the cmnty was keep the tree, keep a soft buffer with the street
In 20+ responses Planning Dept got was keep three small sgl-fam homes
the fact that ppl are wishing to see three small sgl-fam homes is a shift.

{Since ppl have said they want small places, 1000 to perhaps 1500sf, how can these houses at 3000sf be characterized at small in the sense of ppl wanting to downsize???}

We have some work to do, soil quality, subsurfaces; still going to take a while
Cclr Smith is right, this is something we need to deal with now, not nec'ly b/c of the revenue, it's b/c that corner needs to be kept in keeping with the nbrhd and it's a piece of biz this Ccl committed to dealing with three years ago.
In favour?
MOTION CARRIES [JC and VV opposed]
Mayor: that will be coming back to us; public process with regard to zoning
8.   2009 Permissive Tax Exemptions: Tax Exemption Bylaw No. 4577, 2008
                ...  introduced and read a first, second and third time.
9.   3320 Thompson Crescent - Rock Removal for Swimming Pool (File: 2390 20)
RECOMMENDED:  Staff be authorized to issue a Rock Breaking Permit to remove approximately 3.0 to 5.0 cubic meters of rock for the purpose of installing an [in-ground] swimming pool.
10. Change to Council Meeting Schedule for October 20, 2008 (File: 0120-01)
Sop: The Council Workshop scheduled for Oct 20 be changed to a Special Council Meeting immediately following PH.
Secondly, Nov 3rd and 24th be cancelled
Lastly, Nov 17th Ccl Workshop be changed to a sp ccl mtg

{This means no mtg after Oct 27 until after election Nov 15}

Mayor: Carries -- sorry, missed 10.1, withholding of bldg permits
Ccl you have a report in front of you
that staff be directed to forward to Ccl for their consideration all bldg permit applications with construction elements that conflict with the proposed Zoning Bylaw 2200 Amendment Bylaw 4581 wch we gave first reading to
Mayor: Further discussion.  Hearing none. oh,  Ccl Sop?  almost had it!
Sop: What's going on here?
Mayor: well, we were going to vote
Sop: I'll let it go; I know we're going to get a report back.  This is an interesting discussion, Mr Sokol informed us of and it's v serious
so I'm hoping we can come back with a report that will allow us to look at this, avoid frustrations by owners and let us move along with some of our bylaw amendments
I think it only fair, give ppl opportunity and maybe this report will do so
Mayor: Mr Sokol, if you wd like to expand on this and what is affected as a result
Sokol: Ccl gave first reading on Sept 29 covering FAR exemptions for second-floor covered decks, attached accessory structures, revisions re retaining walls and grade lines on property
once those amendments are adopted they will apply to all new devt applications and bldg permits
question before Ccl this evening is what happens to devt permits that come in between now first reading and adoption
with this resoln, as they come in, in conflict with what proposed you gave first reading to last week, we'll bring those to Ccl direct staff not to process under existing; hold them until new adopted

{good move!}

11. District of West Vancouver Delegation Bylaw No. 4580, 2008 to Establish West Vancouver 2
2010 Leadership Committee (File: 1610-20-4580)
12. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA (rec'd for information)
13. Development Applications Status List (File: 1010-01)
14. Dundarave Preschool by the Sea Society Modification Agreement (File:  1145-02)
15. Correspondence List (File:  0120 24) {None exempted for discussion; list in last issue}

MS: at last mtg of Srs' Adv
[re power failure] resident 20th floor of 2020 Bellevue; not able to return until 5am b/c emergency generator not tied up to elevator; sent memo to Mr Sokol who promptly replied
Martin Ernst encyclopaedic knowledge
right now v cloudy area; some of the older area; some with generators not connected to elevator
length of outage makes it diff to get to and from site
that particular bldg 2020, 100 suites, Fire Dept has to walk up and down stairs
suggest we ask Mr Ernst, appoint, have two- or three-pers cmte; in terms of addressing the issue
... some work going on
Sop: Madam Mayor, you and I went up to opening of Eagle Lake; had a tour
I have in front of me if you can see it, a filter; capturing 99% of all the bad things in water; less chlorine; small hydro plant there; wonderful thing is that we can eventually serve more to WV
monitor use; site will be out of ppl's minds, quite the operation, hats off to Engg
Sop: Civic night thank staff; citizen leaders; almost 350 ppl .... most of all work citizens put into

John Bannister: lived here for 40 years, ACDI, Measuring Up WG; speaking personally; extremely difficult to live as a disabled senior
turning three fam lots into nine units;excited, disabled myself, extremely difficult to find [accommodation?] for disabled seniors
spent considerable money, putting in hoists,
know three of those units elevators, knowing... ; next to cmnty ctr,
Mayor: I don't think Ccl knows about this proposal; ask about CAO ....
purpose not for ....
CAO: not aware of this myself; quite unusual for a proposal to come forward in Question Period; perhaps Mr Sokol knows
Sop: I received a brown envelope with something in it; not comment until
shd know formal proposal; understand needs out there
far from ... until it goes through that process
Mayor: expect seeing a proposal at Planning
Sokol: staff has had some discussion with a potential applicant
today probably you received Fri, letter in your mail from the applicant, but believe most have not seen
Mayor: I haven't yet; bearing that in mind, next person on speaking list is Judith Hall.  Same matter?
JH: Yes, lived here about 40 years; note slightly out of whack
re John; re seniors now downsizing; sense of cmnty delightful; downsize difficult with prices; think this proposal wch will come to you; for us on Chippendale allows us to downsize; don't want to leave cmnty; they are smaller and ppl will be able to afford them.  I have seen the plans also; think v good, architect superb
Mayor: I really don't want to turn this Chamber into a pitch on something we know nothing about
Sop: nothing in front of us, how are we--?
Mayor: I made that point, so thank you
JH: reiterate what he says
Mayor: wd like to restate that if any mbrs in gallery wishing to comment on that; we prefer that we have something in front of us so we can be in this together
To make sure we're on the same page, Phil Cunliffe [sp]? If it's on the same proposal
PC: not at all, I will keep my comments strictly to [unintelligible word] although it is on the issue at stake at the moment
live on west side of Van, need for alternative housing, identified by the Housing Dialogue WG presented two weeks ago
lived in WV until 12 years until empty-nesters and we no longer wanted or needed a four-bedroom home
searching for two years...  unable to find a thing suitable particularly within ... and services.....  with great regret leaving cmnty
recall speaking to Cclr Clark and expressing those regrets eight years ago
since leaving kept informed in hope situation wd improve and wd allow us to return...  almost a decade later, any change has been for the worse; houses becoming larger instead of smaller, particularly in the lower Amb and Dund areas
hope recommendations recently submitted signal a long overdue turning point however trust Ccl will not limit its thinking by concluding that the soln wd be legalizing sec stes in 4000+sf monster homes
This is not what the majority of couples wishing to downsize wd opt for, nor does it offer more affordable housing to their chn who wish to raise their families in WV
to quote the WG: a unique cmnty demands unique solutions
WV can and must rise to the challenge, the do nothing will not keep WV as the cmnty we remember, we know today, and want in future
Mayor: thank you
PC: wd like to finish by saying, when ppl are driven out of the cmnty as we feel we were, it loses its heart and soul.  Sadly this is what is already happening to WV with the chn of long-time residents unable to afford to live here while their parents forced to leave for lack of alternative housing.
This Ccl must be commended for its awareness the need for smaller and more affordable housing, it must now proceed with the urgency the situation demands
urge you to take immediate action implementing WG recs; proceeding with pilot/demo projects; making it easier for builders and developers to secure rezoning and permits for alternative housing options; the need has been defined; popn has been consulted, and really no excuse for further delay.
Mayor: want to remind everyone that you have three minutes; that went over but don't want to stifle freedom of speech.  I'm going to state one more time
PC: ...after two and a half hours
Mayor: that's our policy for PQP and we appreciate your input
Next, I have Joel Sloane.  Are you the developer?
Joel Sloane: Although I understood Planning was going to make some submissions tonight, that has not happened and that was primarily reason here
I wd like to take opp to thank you v much, know some cclrs retiring; I think things will look different then.  My opinion is that ppl in public service have a v difficult job and a thankless one most of the time.  Thank you.  Sorry for the misunderstanding.
Mayor: Thank you,  Med Rahbar.
MR: I'll leave it for the forthcoming sessions.
Mayor: Finally, Carolanne Reynolds
CR: Thank you, it's actually a question about what I said earlier b/c I didn't quite hear, if you cd explain.
I was trying to say that if you have three sgl-fams, they can still put three sec stes in it wch results in six units, and I was talking about a variation of that.  When discussion then went back to three sgl-fam homes, do those ppl who are recommending three sgl-fam homes understand that that will probably be, b/c developers always maximize, that will probably be six units, and it's b/c of that, unless you're going to forbid them, or if you're going to have them, that's what I wanted to be conscious of b/c if you're going to have them anyway, then I want you to have as much flexibility as YOU want for them.
Mayor: We are the developer in this case and we are able to add some guidelines and constraints in order to provide what we hope is a slight alternative, and also achieve some other goals, so in this case, we are in control on your behalf.
CR: Okay.  I was afraid that it wd be sold with the new zoning and someone else wd do it; that's why [?]  So you're going to develop it yourselves.
Mayor: well, we're going to put whatever constraints we wish on that process.
CR: Okay, great; you have flexibility. Thank you.
Mayor: That's right.  Thank you.

{well, if you heard during the discussion anything that limited there being secondary suites in the three houses, pls let me know.....  but maybe that can be fine-tuned when it comes to Ccl although awkward if it requires a new PH.}

===  COUNCIL AGENDAS Oct 20 ===
===  PUBLIC HEARING  The Council Meeting will commence immediately following the Public Hearing
ZONING BYLAW NO. 2200, 1968, AMENDMENT BYLAW NO. 4581, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4581)
The Director of Planning, Lands and Permits will describe the subject application.
Applicant: The District of West Vancouver
Affected Lands: The proposed regulations regarding floor area ratio apply generally to single family and duplex-zoned lands unless specifically exempted by other regulations or agreements.  The proposed regulations regarding grade lines and retaining walls apply to all zones.
Purpose: The proposed Zoning Bylaw amendment deals with the
inclusion of covered decks and accessory buildings in floor area, and with reducing the build up of grade. 
Proposed Zoning Bylaw Amendment:
The calculation of floor area would be revised by:
Including covered decks (beyond the normal eave overhang of up to 4 feet) on the top floor of any two-storey house in the calculation of floor area.  Covered decks on the basement or first floor would remain exempt. Reducing the 240 sq. ft. accessory building exemption from the calculation of floor area to 50 sq. ft. if the accessory building is located closer than 15 feet to the house.  The Grade Line is an imaginary line above which soil cannot be deposited and walls cannot be constructed.  The proposed bylaw would reduce the slope of the permitted Grade Line as follows:
Permitted Grade Line measured 4 ft. above Current Proposed
Front and flanking (street) side lot line 75% (3 ft. in each 4 ft.) 50% (2 ft. in each 4 ft.)
Interior side lot line 100% (4 ft. in each 4 ft.) 75% (3 ft. in each 4 ft.)
Rear lot line 100% (4 ft. in each 4 ft.) 50% (2 ft. in each 4 ft.)
The proposed bylaw also:
= Provides that the proposed Grade Line restrictions would not apply to retaining walls and grades that may be required to accommodate a driveway using the most topographically appropriate route from the street to the building.
= Clarifies the Zoning Bylaw with regard to Grade Line and the waterfront by stating that the Grade Line is calculated from the registered waterfront property line.
= Provides that constructed inclined walls (such as stacked rock walls) with a slope of more than 75% (reduced from 100% under the current bylaw) would be subject to retaining wall height and spacing provisions of the Zoning Bylaw.

While not required as part of the public hearing process, for convenience as the bylaw amendments are related, all persons who wish to provide comment on the Soil Removal and Deposit Regulation Bylaw No. 3788, 1992, Amendment Bylaw No. 4582, 2008 (which would reduce the maximum outright allowable volume of rock that can be removed from a site from 600 cu. m to a maximum 200 cu. m) will be given an opportunity to be heard.

...We have received documents which may be considered by Council and they are available for your review and discussion.  A list of documents, and copies of these may be obtained from the Clerk during the Public Hearing.  Written submissions received during the course of these proceedings will be added to these documents so that everyone may examine them...
4. Please limit your comments to the subject of the bylaws.
1) Reports received up to October 16, 2008:
        Interim Development Bylaw
        Amendments September 19, 2008 September 19, 2008 R-1
2) Correspondence received up to October 16, 2008:
        J. & M. Rawsthorne October 2, 2008 / October 20, 2008 C-1
        S. Ward October 6, 2008 / October 20, 2008 C-2
On September 29, 2008, Council set the date for the Public Hearing...
If there is no further public input and Council does not wish to have a further staff report, then:
RECOMMENDED: THAT all written and verbal submissions... be received and that the PH be closed.
If Council wishes a further staff report, then:
RECOMMENDED: THAT staff report back to Council ... and that the PH be adjourned to _________
Members of Council are not permitted to receive further submissions regarding the Zoning Amendment Bylaw once the Public Hearing is closed.

2. Adoption of September 29 and October 6, 2008 Council Minutes
3. Spirit Trail Greenway -Next Steps (File:  1785-19)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated October 10, 2008 from the Acting Director, Engineering & Transportation, entitled "Spirit Trail Greenway - Next Steps" be received for information.
4. Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (SPCA) Licence and Operating Agreement - Alternative Approval Process (File:  1145-06)
1. WHEREAS the District has entered into an agreement with the Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals to provide use of a shelter premise and adjacent outdoor facilities on District owned land known as Ambleside Park and legally described as PID... to permit the society to provide animal control services for and on behalf of the District for a term of 10 years.
2. AND WHEREAS under the Licence and Operating Agreement the District agrees to pay to the SPCA in the event of termination the depreciated value of the shelter premise in an amount equal to:
a. The Initial Compensation Value ($491,000) reduced by $24,550 per year after 1997
b. And agree that after January 1, 2017, the value of the Shelter shall be $0.00.
3. AND WHEREAS, pursuant to section 175 of the Community Charter, Council may incur liability under an agreement for more than five years only with approval of the electors by elector assent or by alternative approval process under Section 86 of the Community Charter.
4. AND WHEREAS the provisions in the Licence and Operating Agreement under which the District would incur the above contingent liability to compensate the Society are expressly subject to the outcome of an Alternative Approval Process such that, if 3,435 of the electors sign and submit elector response forms by the deadline, the Licence and Operating Agreement will continue but it will not include the above liability to compensate the Society.
5. AND WHEREAS the Municipal Clerk will make available to the public during regular business hours copies of the Licence and Operating Agreement and records relating to it as of the date of the first notice of Alternate Approval Process published pursuant to Section 86 of the Community Charter.
6. NOW THEREFORE Council resolves as follows:
a. An Alternative Approval Process will be provided in relation to the liability to compensate the Society that would be incurred under the Licence and Operating Agreement.
b. Elector responses shall be in the form before Council this day.
c. The deadline for elector response forms shall be 4:00 pm on December 5, 2008.
d. The Municipal Clerk is authorized to prepare and publish a Notice of  Alternative Approval Process.
e. A fair determination of the total number of eligible electors of the District of West Vancouver is 34,357.
5. Waterworks Regulation Bylaw No. 4490, 2006, Amendment Bylaw No. 4584, 2008 and Sewer and Drainage Utility Fee Bylaw No. 4538, 2007, Amendment Bylaw No. 4585, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4584/1610-20-4585)
RECOMMENDED: ... be read a first, second and third time.
6. Tax Exemption Bylaw No. 4577, 2008(File:  1610-20-4577)
7. Correspondence List (File:  0120-24)
-- Correspondence received up to October 3, 2008
Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.
Action Required
(1) October 3, 2008, regarding Ambleside Gateway Project - Landscaping
        Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(2) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) North Shore Advisory Committee on Disability Issues - August 28, 2008
       (b) West Vancouver Memorial Library Board - July 16, 2008
(3) Federation of Canadian Municipalities, October 1, 2008, regarding National Do Not Call List and the Implications on Municipal Elections
(4) T. Baker, The Land Conservancy of British Columbia, September 30, 2008, regarding the B.C. Binning House
(5) B. Murray, North Shore Spring Bear Festival Society, September 29, 2008, regarding Donation of Three Single Bear Proof Bins to District of West Vancouver
Responses to Correspondence
(6) K. Pike, Director of Parks and Community Services, Sept 30, regarding Tree Issues on Nelson Avenue
Responses to Questions in Question Period  --  No items presented.
-- Correspondence received up to October 10, 2008
Requests for Delegation -- No items presented.
Action Required
(7) October 6, 2008, regarding Impact of Proposed Changes to Hugo Ray Park
        Referred to the Director of Parks and Community Services for consideration and response.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(8) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) Community Engagement Committee -September 9, 2008
   (b) Board of Variance -July 16, 2008
(9) Hon. B. Lekstrom, Minister of Community Development, September 22, 2008, regarding Infrastructure Planning Grants for the District of West Vancouver
(10) D. Charlton, Lionsview Seniors' Planning Society, October 2, 2008, regarding Request for Proposal - 2203 Marine Drive, 787-815 22nd Street
(11) October 8, 2008, regarding Marine Drive Gateway Project
(12) Petition with 31 signatures, October 6, 2008, regarding Gateway Project Tree Planting at 1000-1200 Marine Drive (13) October 7, 2008, regarding Eagle Lake Membrane Filtration System -  Opening Ceremony
(14) October 3, 2008, regarding Coach Homes versus Monster Houses
(15) October 5, 2008, regarding Proposed Development in 2000 Block of Esquimalt Avenue
(16) C. Reynolds, West Van Matters, October 6, 2008, regarding Comments on the Finance Committee and 2009 Budget* [see whole letter at end of this agenda]
(17) A. Miller, Western Canada Wilderness Committee, October 8, 2008, regarding Grizzly Bear Conservation
Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(18) H. Schoemaker, Metro Vancouver, September 9, 2008, regarding The Sustainable Region DVD, Episode 35 -Waste Management
Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
Responses to Correspondence
(19) M. Miller, Acting Manager of Parks, October 9, 2008, regarding Donation of Three Bear-Proof Refuge Containers
Responses to Questions in Question Period
(20) B. Sokol, Director of Planning, Lands and Permits, October 7, 2008, regarding Follow Up on Property Soil Testing
------------- * LETTER No. 16: FINANCE/BUDGET 2009 -------------
2008 October 2
Dear Mayor and Council:

re   Finance Cmte and Budget 2009

At the Finance Cmte mtg today several statements were made during the discussions to the effect:
1 -- If divisions asked to decrease by 5 or 10% it wd demoralize staff thinking they'd be let go.
2 -- Perhaps then better not to make public possibilities of cuts.
3 -- Demoralized staff wd not be positive and productive; and innovation wd be lost.

My first concern hearing that was that "staff issues" will be given as an excuse to justify closed mtgs resulting in lack of opportunity for the public to obtain information or to be able to make suggestions for cuts.  It is my hope that Ccl will be committed to OPENNESS and INCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC.

The budget is our, the taxpayers', money and we want to participate in budget decisions.  It is a well-known tactic for depts, when asked to cut, to suggest something that is the most popular and used so that the whole dept escapes scrutiny and cuts.  We're all in this together and residents' views ought to be respected and requested, not just be given a take-it-or-leave-it list.

Staff morale is very important.  In these times of falling assessments and cutbacks, streamlining may be necessary for greater efficiency.  To reassure staff, a commitment can be made to deal with any reductions by attrition and re-allocation.
{BTW, this was an amazing statement given in recent days there have been some changes and dismissals such that some staff have wondered what or who wd be next.  I do hope the re-organization will be made public soon.}
Reducing a division's budget by 10% need not mean cutting staff.  Through donations and sponsorships, funds can be raised that cover 10% (or even more) so staffing remains the same and there's no cut in services.
Staff need encouragement and a positive inclusive atmosphere.   There shd be incentives for staff to suggest efficiency, effectiveness, cost-saving measures as well as being rewarded for innovations.  This can be in the form of a cash prize, additional holidays, and/or awards (such as for innovation of the year, extraordinary performance, customer service, employee of the year)

Some good news about the re-organization contemplated and being implemented for the District, is that it will include performance measurement as well as monitoring.

More good news is that reference was made that the recommendations made by the Fiscal Sustainability Task Force in 2006, followed by the anticipation in January 2007 that there wd be a status report Sept 30 that year (2007).   The FSTF part of the cmte's mandate seemed to have been forgotten so it was reassuring that a mbr brought up the FSTF and the cmte will have an update or status report at their next mtg planned for Oct 23 (at 4:45).

From the Finance Cmte's webpage for the record:
The Finance Committee provides recommendations regarding the budget, financial policy and process issues to Council. In particular, the Committee advances the work of the Fiscal Sustainability Task Force by examining the policy issues identified by the Task Force in its 2006 report, and working with staff to develop specific policies and strategies to address them.
The Committee provides comment and advice, consistent with its advisory role.
Committee members may review and comment on annual and long-term budgets, and quarterly financial reports, as referred to them by Council. The members of the Committee will also review the Task Force Report and work on priority areas identified by Council and senior staff. This may involve a variety of activities including research, dialogue with experts and consultation with the residents and stakeholders having an interest in the policy issue being examined.

Apparently although some effort was made, the goal of involving the public and having Budget 2009 information available about September 2008 so that there cd be time for public input before January 2009 when the District's divisions have to choose between operating on the previous year's funding and operating on anticipated funding and programs, has not only been missed but that info may not be available until December, ie AFTER the new Council has been sworn in.

Please note, this does not mean that Budget 2009 shd be settled by December, it means that in the opinion of West Van Matters, as much information as possible shd be made public so that candidates can make informed recommendations on Budget 2009 and voters get to decide wch platform they agree with and want to see implemented.

Yours thoughtfully,
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor of West an Matters
***  ANAGRAM: Did you know that parliament is an anagram of partial men?
        By Kitty Burns Florey  Updated Wednesday, Oct. 1, 2008, at 7:07 PM ET
There are plenty of people out there-not only English teachers but also amateur language buffs like me-who believe that diagramming a sentence provides insight into the mind of its perpetrator. The more the diagram is forced to wander around the page, loop back on itself, and generally stretch its capabilities, the more it reveals that the mind that created the sentence is either a richly educated one-with a Proustian grasp of language that pushes the limits of expression-or such an impoverished one that it can produce only hot air, baloney, and twaddle.
URL: http://www.slate.com/id/2201158/  Copyright 2008 Washingtonpost.Newsweek Interactive Co. LLC

===  HAIKU  === 2008 August 26 rainy Vancouver, reading Raja Shehadeh's Palestinian Walks

        walking hills, rocks, wadis
                        sees fossils, change, loss
                                fears horrifying future
===  QUOTATIONS  ===
Language is a skin: I rub my language against the other. It is as if I had words instead of fingers, or fingers at the tip of my words. My language trembles with desire.
                        -- Roland Barthes, literary critic and philosopher (1915 - 1980)
If we are all in agreement on the decision, then I propose we postpone further discussion of this matter until our next meeting to give ourselves time to develop disagreement and perhaps gain some understanding of what the decision is all about.
                        -- Alfred P. Sloan
If I am to speak for ten minutes, I need a week for preparation;
if fifteen minutes, three days; if half an hour, two days;
if an hour, I am ready now.
Here, the 28th U. S. President, Woodrow Wilson, demonstrates his understanding of a fascinating oxymoronic theme-the shortest things often require the lengthiest preparation.  Blaise Pascal was the first to express the insight, writing in a seventeenth-century letter: "I have made this letter longer than usual, because I lack the time to make it short."  Ever since, countless speakers and writers have echoed the notion.
{Me too!}
The world is divided in to three classes of people: a very small group that makes things happen, a somewhat larger group that watches things happen, and the great multitude which never knows what happened.
                -- Nicholas Murray,  (b. Liverpool 1952)
If our democracy is to flourish, it must have criticism; if our government is to function, it must have dissent.
                -- Henry Steele Commager, American historian (1902 - 1998)
Market collapse quotation of the week [Date: Wed, 15 Oct 2008 23:29:14 -0700]
"This is worse than a divorce. I've lost half my net worth and I still have a wife .."