Ccl Mtg NOTES Nov 17, Dec 1
Calendar to Dec 15

by Carolanne Reynolds, Editor

=  No ccl mtg Nov 24; Swearing-In Dec 1st; MAIN ITEMS Dec 8th: DPA 1434 Marine; Bylaws for three readings on Waterworks Regulation and Sewer/Drainage Utility Rates; Ccl Apptmts; DVP 610 -11th for Jan 12th; Lots of Correspondence -- Property Assessment Freeze, Hugo Ray Park, Cmnty Ctr, and NOTE Letter 12 about a public mtg at the Library on Dec 2nd wrt a Shoppers Drug Mart proposed for the Capers site in Dundarave -- WHO KNEW?  more effort/measures needed to inform cmnty BEFORE a mtg so they can actually become informed and provide input!
=  Vive le Canada (BC and GG); ANIMALWATCH (catnbox; mating); from the EDITOR'S DESK (Condolences); UPDATES (Design Review Cmte Mbrs wanted; 2009 Heritage Award Nominations sought)
=  CALENDAR to Dec 15th: well, as much as known at the moment!
=  CULTUREWATCH (Opera, Theatre)
=  Ccl Mtg NOTES Nov 17th: DPs with public input for Rodgers Crk Area 1, 1434 Marine; Health Promotion Pilot Project; Regional Emergency Mgmt Service; Bylaws for notice enforcement and fees/charges; Interim Devt Amendments Zoning Bylaw for adoption; at PQP I asked when the item on Cmnty Benefits withdrawn from the agenda wd be back (the Mayor said she thought Dec 8th but as you see, it's not there)
= CCL MTG AGENDA/NOTES for Dec 1st (with the Mayor's Inaugural Address); AGENDA Dec 8th
=  The Year of the Potato -- 2008; Language (The Power of Speech); Quotations

===  Vive le Canada  ===  well, BC actually, first
The Proclamation of 1858 at Fort Langley took place on November 19th and so we celebrate the 150th anniversary of the proclamation of the Crown Colony of British Columbia.  The VSun has had some interesting stories of pioneers.
GOVERNOR-GENERAL  We've just had an example of the value of a constitutional monarchy.  Three choices at least: prorogue, ask coalition of Libs and NDP to form govt, have an election.  The next milestone is January 27 but no doubt we'll observe lots of jockeying before then.

===   ANIMALWATCH   ===
*  Interesting link: Comic relief from the week's more sombre news comes in the form of a cat stuck in a box 
*  Adults only video (Forwarded to me with msg: Here's the video of the lamprey mating behaviour we observed in the Ashlu back in the summer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IcYU9dpO6k )
..... from the EDITOR'S DESK
Condolences and regret at the passing of one of my (memorable) UBC profs of French literature, Ron Jeffels, and also of a gentleman for whom I had great respect, Chris Lee, who served on the Srs' Ctr board and just now on the Cmnty Ctr Governance WG.
===   UPDATES   ===
* Design Review Committee Members Wanted -- Deadline is Friday, Dec 12th
The Design Review Committee is a standing committee of Council that provides recommendations on:
o  policies and regulations affecting buildings,
o  site development and urban design,
o  on the design merits, and physical and aesthetic impact of proposed development plans and major infrastructure projects. 
If you are a West Vancouver resident and would like to volunteer to serve on this Committee, download an application form here.  Mail, fax, or deliver completed applications, with a brief personal resume, to the Legislative Services Department, or e-mail to committees@westvancouver.ca. For more information, call 604-925-7237.
*  HERITAGE ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS: 2009 Nominations (deadline Jan 23)
Info: http://www.westvancouver.ca/Level3.aspx?id=1136 (Don't you just love the URLs that DWV has!)
*  Enjoy Christmas Carol Ships and Christmas Trees (see display at Dundarave pier).
* WVSPCA sends kudos
- to 10,000 Villages in Ambleside. This organization not only sells beautiful and useful items from around the world; it supports developing countries
- to the SPCA. They gave prizes for three of our Walkathon events, and now they are offering a special way for you to help both organizations. Shop at 10,000 Villages (1387 Marine) between Nov 20 and Dec 26, and tell them you would like 10% of the value of your pre-tax purchase to go (to) the WVSPCA.  It's a great way to increase your giving.

===  2008 WV Emergency Services Toy Drive to Dec 15  ===
[Details in previous issue of WVM] From November 3rd to December 15th, 2008, Firefighters and Police will accept donations of new and unwrapped gift items at West Vancouver Police Headquarters and all West Vancouver Fire Halls.
All donated items are forwarded to the Lower Mainland Christmas Bureau, and the Family Services of the North Shore Christmas Bureau.    Over 2300 gift items were donated last year.
Donations will be delivered to the Lower Mainland Christmas Bureau Christmas Wish Breakfast at the Pan Pacific Hotel and to the Family Services Christmas Bureau of the North Shore.
Donation Locations:  WV Police: WVPD Headquarters - 1330 Marine Drive and
        WV Fire and Rescue Services
        Fire Hall # 1 - 760 16th Street; Fire Hall # 2 - 6272 Marine Drive
        Fire Hall #3 - 4895 Marine Drive; Fire Hall #4 - 965 Cross Creek Road

===  CALENDAR to ~Dec 15th  === 
= Thurs Nov 20 ~ 7:30 ~ WV Streamkeepers Public Mtg at St Stephen's (Stream/spawner reports)
= Wed Nov 26
        ~ 9am ~ CEC mtg
        ~ 1:30pm ~ Arts and Cultural Facilities WG [CANCELLED]
        ~ 7pm ~ Board of Variance
ALSO:  ~ 5 - 7pm ~ Chamber of Commerce's November Mbrship Showcase at Partnership Ctr, 1846 Marine Dr
FREE to Members & Non Members; RSVP required for appetizer preparation -- 926 6614
AND the WV Historical Society mtg at 7pm at the Srs' Ctr
Francis Mansbridge, author of HOLLYBURN, is the speaker. 
This is the first book to be published on the rich and diverse history of Hollyburn, the forested, mountainous area above West Vancouver.  Numerous photographs, most of which are published here for the first time, provide a visual appeal which evokes the spirit of earlier times.
The resurgence of interest in cross-country skiing and snowshoeing has made the original Hollyburn area one of the most popular locales for these activities in North America.  Francis Mansbridge's interest in the history of the North Shore was stimulated by his dozen years as an archivist in North Vancouver.  A love of outdoor recreation has led him to spend extensive time exploring the Hollyburn area.
SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:  "City Reflections" to be re-shown
The blackout at our September 24th meeting left a number of people unhappy with missing most of the DVD that was being shown.  The [meeting to show the] 1907 film taken on the streets of Vancouver was very well attended.   A second showing will occur following our November 26th presentation by [Francis] Mansbridge on the new "Hollyburn book".
{If you'd like to purchase a copy of the book or find out about the video, pls call me for info. -- CR}
= Thurs Nov 27
        ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte mtg [CANCELLED]
        ~ 5pm ~ North Shore Adv Cmte on Disability Issues at DNV M Hall
        ~ 5:30pm ~ Police Bd Mtg in WVPD boardroom
= Wed Dec 10
        ~ CEC mtg (time to be confirmed)
        ~ 6pm ~ Library Board (in Library)
= Thurs Dec 11 ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte [moved to Dec 16]
= Fri Dec 12 ~ 8:15am ~ 2010 Leadership Cmte Mtg
don't forget:
Wednesday December 10th, 2008
Christmas Gala Dinner
6:30 pm - Cocktails - No Host Bar; 7pm  Dinner at Capilano Golf and Country Club
Cost:     Member and Guests $ 90.00 per person (GST included)  Pre-paid registration is required
The Chamber is delighted to hold the 2008 Christmas Party and Silent Auction once again in the elegant English style manor house, The Capilano Golf and Country Club.
Dress attire is elegant holiday/semi-formal / or your best business attire.  If you want to dress to the nines.... go right ahead.... it is the perfect place and time to celebrate in style!
Bring your cheque book as we have over $10,000.00 in fabulous auction items such as: A round of Golf for 4 at Capilano Golf and Country Club, 2 Hockey Tickets, a Summer Wine and Lunch Private Boat cruise with Ralph Sultan, MLA, an Adventure Pack with Cypress Mountain, Lunch with Joan McIntyre, MLA, BC Ferry car and passenger tickets, round trip,  Signed and numbered prints by Rogest, Chamber of Commerce Membership, and much, much more!
Please RSVP asap.  Our host, Capilano Golf and Country Club, requires advance number for preparation.  Please also note that we are unable to give a refund without 48 hours notification; however a delegate substitution is welcome at any time.
If you would like to donate an auction item, please contact the chamber at: 604-926-6614 or info@westvanchambr.com.  Remember that the proceeds from the auction go right back into the chamber, where you, the member benefit!  Thank you for your generosity!
Please RSVP asap by calling 604-926-6614, or on our website www.westvanchamber.com  and click on Events Calendar on left side menu.

+++  WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++  See: http://www.westvanlib.org/
December 4  The Prize Winner of Defiance, Ohio - based on the book by Terry Ryan; Unrated
Discussion following each film. 6pm - 9pm, Peter J. Peters Room. No registration required. For further info, call the Reference Department at 925 7405.
        Enjoy a concert by one of Canada's premiere pianists, Robert Silverman.
Friday, December 5. Concert starts at 7:30pm, doors open at 7pm.
Seating is limited so come early and enjoy refreshments by the Friends of the Library.
In a career spanning more than five decades, Robert Silverman has climbed every peak of serious pianism: lauded performances of the complete sonata cycles by Beethoven and Mozart; concerts in prestigious halls across the globe; and orchestral appearances under the batons of such renowned conductors as Ozawa, Gardiner, and J=E4rvi with leading orchestras, including the Chicago Symphony, the Sydney Symphony, the BBC (London) Symphony, the St. Petersburg Philharmonic, and every major orchestra in Canada.
Robert Silverman's discography includes 25 CDs and a dozen LPs, including his Grand Prix du Disque-winning recording of Liszt's piano music and his Juno Award-nominated recording of all 32 Beethoven sonatas.
This concert is funded by the generous bequest of Robert Leslie Welsh.  Robert Silverman Website
*  NOTE: The Library will be closed Dec 8, 9, 10
        for installation of an Automated Materials Handling Unit
CHRISTMAS CAROLS ON THE PIANO  --  2 to 2:20pm Sunday, December 14th
+  Come and practise your English conversation skills at the Library: Fridays, Dec 5, 12, 19 in the Musto Room 10 - 11:30am.  For info call Fariba Rocker at 604 506 6616.  No registration required.
Join Joe Ronsley for readings and discussion of the works of one of the best poets of the 20th century.  Tues mornings: Nov 18, 25, and Dec 2. 10:30 - 12:30pm.  No registration required, drop-ins welcome.
Join us for vibrant discussions on burning issues of the day.  We meet from 10:30am - 12:30pm one Friday each month (usually the fourth Friday).  Enjoy the snacks and coffee hospitably provided. Everyone welcome. Registration not required. Admission $5. Co-sponsored by S.F.U.
November 28: Biculturalism and multiculturalism: The long and winding road
Join guest Harry Greenwood, Chair of the West Vancouver Memorial Library Board and a lively contributor at past Philosophers' Caf=E9s, for this discussion about multiculturalism in Canada from the Bilingualism and Bicultural Commission in the 1960s through the Multiculturalism Act of the 1980s to today. 

=  Great Stuff 2008  --  Christmas Gift & Art Sale
        See: http://ferrybuildinggallery.com/exhibitions/upcoming_exhibition

+++ SILK PURSE +++  (1570 Argyle)  www.silkpurse.ca
+ November 18 - 30, 2008 -- "Wish You Were Here=8Ain stitches"
Ancient paintings, sculptures, and literary sources indicate that embroidery was applied to clothing and other fabrics from extremely early times. The earliest surviving embroidered cloth is Egyptian, preserved by the dry desert climate. Let the North Shore Needle Arts Guild take you on a journey from traditional to contemporary needle art. Enjoy a fascinating display of 14 pieces featuring different techniques and needle art.
Opening: TUESDAY November 18th from 6 - 8 pm
December 2 - 18, 2008 -- "Rediscover Photography"
The word "photography" comes from the French photographie which is based on the Greek words for "light" and "drawing", together meaning "drawing with light". Explore the world of light and photography with works of acrylic Giclee on canvas, chromium ink photos, and digital photography by artists Richard Alm, Laura Clark, Michelle Demers, and Sheryl Smith.
Opening: TUESDAY December 2nd from 6-8 pm

+++  WV MUSEUM +++  Visit: http://www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com/
        The Prints of Alistair Bell  to February 7, 2009

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or http://www.westvan60.com/Images/The%20Torch%20Newsletter%20-%20Fall-2008.pdf
{Steak Dinner Saturday Nov 29; see website}

===   CULTUREWATCH   ===  Some time to be the culture vulture!
*  Four-Course Meal at the Havana had four one-act plays; quite a variety, enjoyable by ITSAZOO.
*  VANCOUVER OPERA: Eugene Onegin soaring -- Carmen's next!
*  Glengarry Glen Ross in a tiny venue (58 seats) but superbly acted hence sold out performances.
*  The Circle by Somerset Maugham at the Jericho Arts Ctr until Dec 7 -- a period piece, enjoyable, with a hilarious scene with Glen Pinchin who retired after 32 years in the RCMP then took up acting!
*  The Thing About Men at Presentation House ends Saturday Dec 6
*  If you missed Pinter's Briefs at Presentation House (see Blackbird's Website), you can see it at the Cultch Dec 3 to 6; Tix at Ticketmaster. Call 604 280 3311 or purchase online by clicking here.

===  CCL MTG NOTES Nov 17  ===
Mayor: Cclrs served you for a long time
Cclr V not with us this evening, thank her for her commitment for three years, conscientious; often took a different view and that's how [inaudible], ... served well
and JC think of fireworks, Coho Festival
contribution in this most recent election
for nine years of service
John E Clark [presented a print/painting?]
JC: tyvm; had planned to say a few words on a terrific campaign, ..... running all over for  me
have set aside my plans to ask for a recount
nine years, before that Chamber of Commerce
been an honour to serve; best place in the world; I'm not dead, told CAO I'm available
Mayor: in spirit of cmnty; call on former mayor; make presentation to Cclr Day
Mark Sager: congratulate you on our re-election; know you'll serve v well; thanks to all those who ran
over to my dear friend, Rod Day; long history; early 80s
RD: 1970
Mayor: you were in Grade 7
Sager?:  first elected to Ccl in 1986
?  I'd been on Ccl for a few years, wonderful, his articulate mind
served so well, leading us on planning issues; always fair and always judicious
in 1990, the thought of running for mayor crossed my mind
he was thinking of retiring but I won't run, if you will, I'll stay
Rod took a three-year break and came back in 2000
Mayor Ron Wood, six wonderful years
speak for Ron and for Pam, opp to work with Rod, absolutely the best; always wise, always thoughtful
did read the NSN on Sunday where he put his age
... am sure Elaine is thrilled -- being able to travel and do the things you want to do
you've always been with the times
a real honour to be here tonight, and I know I'm speaking for everyone tonight ... thank you
RD: after that, I don't know what to say; not often I'm speechless
Citizens' Planning Forum, had a reputation as a sort of Young Turk
Derrick Humphreys, thought least harm on Parks; then on XXX; then in too deep
kids were too young, by then at university
served ten years, off six, and then
know a lot of cclrs, citizens, and staff; get criticized but they're able
Kevin Pike says he's been on 750 mtgs
pleasure of serving under Ron Wood, a distinguished citizen
Pat Boname, passed away recently; good friend, sorry to know she's gone from us
first time named to Parks Comm
feeling with election of Pam, I might end up on a WG or two
been wonderful
..... that certain something about WV; always loved this cmnty; been a great pleasure; tyvm.
Mayor: welcome former Mayor Ron Wood to make presentation to Cclr Ferguson
.... Saturday... win or lose great.....
lady I first met around 1990, she was on sch bd and I was on Ccl
we had black hair
JF: xxxx
RW: over the years; work on behalf of WV
her political career started with [sch bd?] .. 1986 to 1999
ccl, nine years on Ccl
served on virtually ev cmte [named many]
particularly remember her serving on the OCP review, she accepted the challenge, worked on it for four years and finally in 2005 presented a new OCP and it was adopted.
remembered in three ways: principle and strategic understanding; consistent rational manner in xxx; patient and compassionate manner in dealing with the v different priorities of the residents
been a pleasure working with you for nine years
thank you for your 22 years; good health and happiness, congratulations
[also given print]
JF: I thought I was going to get a wine glass with a coat of arms
we have moved on; it has been a ......; sort of like being on Oprah
grateful to all; staff, M, and sch bd
I always cry when ..............  xxx
don't necessarily
thank the ppl of WV having the confidence in me so often;  xxxx
thank my colleagues; have learned something from each and one of you
even if I didn't take your advice
like to thank my family been v patent
when politicians retire, say spend more time with fam, so get ready
....Monday nights won't be the same
thank you to the ppl of WV
Mayor: thank you for being part of the changing of the guard; thank you....; serving WV comes from the bottom of your hearts
and now we'll return to our regular Monday night
Mayor: is former cclr Liz Byrd here tonight?
LB: Susanna is here
Mayor: you can introduce
LB: thank Ccl; support for KMC
we are a non-profit out there; you've supported us and want to thank you v much indeed
        withdrawing item 5; adding 16.1 and 2
October 20, 2008 Special Council Meeting; and October 27, 2008 Regular Council Meeting.
Mayor: correction
SSch: says Heritage Register, shd be "HWG's final report"
3. Development Permit Application No. 08-035 for Area 1 of the Rodgers Creek Area (located north of Chippendale Road and immediately west of Marr Creek) (File:  1010-20-08-035)
At the October 27, 2008 meeting, Council received the report dated October 21, 2008 from the Manager, Community Planning
THAT the proposed Development Permit Application No. 08-035 for Area 1 of the Rodgers Creek Area (located north of Chippendale Road and immediately west of Marr Creek) attached to the report from the Manager, Community Planning dated October 21, 2008 be received for consideration.
Geri Boyle, staff, gave background and described devt; sgl-fam, multi-fam, open-space lot, three creeks PROTECTED?
variance for lot one reduction from 40ft to 20ft for rear setback, long lot
retaining walls nec re stormwater drainage
do not meet grade line
consistent with Rodgers Overview Report
Mayor: one question from Cclr Sop
Sop: three
variances do not conflict by intent -- by fact not consideration/subjective
will be what we see?
GB: terms remain as presented; to provide some flexibility
specific lot line might change wrt angle; once we get engineering drawings for the road
allows us to fine tune alignment of subdiv
same number of lots
from an Approving Officer's point of view if that wording not in place, uncomfortable
panhandle lots wd not be in character
Sop: stormwater mgmt; 100yr flood? to water's edge? any holding/retention ponds?
GB: sets out standard, not solution; short-term to long-term soln xxxxx
100yr flow
been having interesting technical discussions; look at ways of slowing
looking at more of a wetland in the activity node, on Chippendale, low impact measure
NW corner looking at introducing a small wetland
a bridge xxx; a number of things being looked at xxx
Sop: been reassured devt in a series of nodes, so land back to the District wd not have an grooming
in 2.12 calls for a mgmt zone
want to be assured that brush removed for fire protection only not xxxxx
will not groom any of those areas
under tree management
GB: intention of the tree mgmt zone; Stonecliff v successful, retaining trees still with views
our Envtal Coord totally on board with this
[RD made motion]
Larry Kellett: I live on Chippendale Road, father of two four-yr-old chn
truck lost control of his vehicle, corner, took out two trees on my prop and stop at stone fence
this dump truck was unloaded, what wd hv happened if full
scared me deeply
urge Ccl to attach to restrict downhill heavy truck traffic, to BAN, down Chairlift, Folkestone Way, XXXX, and XXXX
[Mayor called three times if any further input]
RECOMMENDED:  THAT all written and verbal submissions regarding DPA be received for information.
RECOMMENDED: THAT the DPA which would allow for site development, subdivision and single family house construction, be approved.
MS: out of respect of the citizen who just spoke, [seek] assurance of
GB: our expert on this topic, Brent Dozzi not able to be with us
talked to him this afternoon; temp route and perm;  perm is Ch
for temp, what BPP has proposed is a ......... that is now in place; it is over their prop
what about everybody else?
between Taylor's and Whitby X hundred lots
size of prob been reduced
deal with all BPP operations; deal with all xxx
requiring them to follow .... mgmt plan
perm truck route was xxx; the owners have to deliver to District by Dec 22 statutory xxx
being vetted by our solicitors, then have 18 months to get that in place
doing advanced detailed design xxx Rodgers Crk
Sop: Wd .... ever entertain
be eliminated from Chairlift, xxx
never have those large trucks coming down
GB: exactly what proposal is
Sop: our downhill truck policy?
GB: yes
Sop: when might we see something like that?
GB: Dir/Engg
RF: as Ms Boyle just mentioned; we have xxx
once that is done, staff revisit downhill truck route and present that to Ccl
4. Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive (File:  1010-20-08-026)
See related correspondence items (15) and (16).
At the October 27, 2008 meeting, Council received the report dated October 16, 2008 from the Urban Design Planner titled "Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive".
RECOMMENDED:  THAT the proposed Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive attached to the report from the Urban Design Planner dated October 16, 2008 be received for consideration.
Sokol, Dir/Planning: within Ambleside permit area
BC Liquor Branch store; address form and character; design guidelines within OCP
other issues: adequacy of parking places, part of bldg permit
Allison Feltman: I am the manager of ... on 21st?
loyal customer base, excellent customer service
special occasion licences; walk to Police Stn; and back to us; inconvenience from Park Royal, have to drive
hardship...  Caulfeild
restaurants: Carmelo's each House, Legion
asked several times a day when we're going to reopen
our Ambleside store has raised over $10K in past three years for schools
letter from customer, may I read?
Mayor: yes
[read letter of support]
Bob Tougas: Dir of Real Estate and Devt for BC Liquor Dist Branch
here with my associates and architect, Mr Thibodeau
replacing our closed location; here to answer questions
first opened in 1951 in Amb; had to open on other side of bridge
excellent... with cmnty
after not being able to ..... our lease in April this year
queried re licence; informed zoning allowed for our use
specs July 3 for bldg permit
subsequently told to Amb Permit area and subject to zoning; so applied Aug 15 and been in process of approval since then
believe we've complied with all reqs
putting our best foot forward; will have a cmnty feel
product consulting, special, promote BC products
200 outlets in prov; in 2008-10 service plan, available to the public -- key goal is customer experience, enhance the shopping experience minimize the benefit xxx ... associate with signature stores..... improve customer access.....
key one is real estate and devt when proposing
continuation of our NSh plan; renov, Cap Mall, etc, in process of renovating PkRoyal; Caulfeild
social responsibility
can provide copy of our plan, can see on our website
Mr Thibodeau is our architect and can answer
Robert Thibodeau: at old Bank of Montreal branch
removing large signage and putting in a zoning compliance sign
painting the stucco; access to back -- deliveries early in the morning; keeping existing parking
Sop: how do you dispose of our garbage? huge
RT: everything inside
?: placed into our trucks
Mayor: pls direct to
Sop: to xxx
Mayor: then introduce yourself
Scott Downey: I'll be facilities..  for this project
smallest garbage bin we cd get; between bollards
garbage from our stores minimal, kitchen waste; almost everything gets recycled
Sop: any traffic pattern study done? parking initiative, impact? in the middle of a block? anything about analyzing time allotments, and in lane, other than nine spots
Wayne Barker: I'm the leasing manager
we've done studies on how long cust usually in store -- usually three to five minutes
seem to know what they're looking for
av turnaround v quick
see this particular location, stalls in behind wch we didn't have in last location
foot traffic, lots of parking on street; don't see problem
JF: I'm looking at the parking lot and notice that on the eastern side of the bldg a door, is if for public?
RT: condemned door, shdn't be there
JF: long way, esp for those with mobility probs, our
make more friendly for ppl with those sorts of problems
RT: this is pretty well existing
WB: about four ft off ground
RT: foot and a half, don't know what that door was doing there, that's why condemned it
Chuck Walker: retirees; now you can have a glass of wine with me that xxx
Mayor: address?
CW: 1455 Bellevue; been discussing for many years......
chosen by the City, direction of the City; Amb Town Ctr Strategy
chaired by JF and co chaired by Colette Parsons
long, struggle, but finally got it done
back in our area; encourage ppl to move into downtown nbrhd
encourage safe living, better life style
where was the Planning Dept -- who asked xxx
complete surprise to me; blindsided; cmte spent a year and no one asked us
first of all a prior enquiry for a liq store was turned down; wd be too destructive
why didn't someone in Planning Dept consult the files ... xxx
concern of accessibility of liquor; who has trouble finding a...
this lane is the most congested; jampacked all day; trucks from 7am to late in afternoon
the local tenants of retail stores in jeopardy b/c xxx
during period of doing Pk Royal to 13th; our retailers, xxx
b/c of construction...
This block is a prime block, Ccl F and a lot of us spent a lot of time
key is xxx though
looks like Planning has ignored its..........
supported opposition to it, including residents
with liq on Marine, from 7am to 9pm
the retail ....     from the govt liq store; they're not coming there to pick up two or three bottles
half a dozen liq stores on the NSh; these folks who run restaurants
continual confrontations between cars and trucks daily
145 come to our bldg ev morning; xxx gone by 8 o'clock
ludicrous to suggest desirable to ....
doubleparked in lane
liq stores don't ......  grocery stores
and no hope, nobody is going to go in a wheelchair....  xxx it's impossible
if this passes, .... dead and serious
that taxpayers voted for
if....  will Ccl assure me any damage to ... bldgs
currently $11K of damage to Walker Place in last few months
nbr  xxx
if can't find replacement for granite tiles, cd have to replace entire of bldg
Mayor: wrap up
CW: rules ...  guideline ...  no parking, moving, within 3.3 meters of this hydro kiosk yet talking about garbage
eliminates handicapped parking
don't want xxx; can't jam it all in one corner
Mr Sokol has ...   use .. sq ftg no been considered
with this diagram, if you're going to have four parking stalls...... new Mercedes Benz golf cart
just heard paint it, .......
paint doesn't take care of
if we allow this to continue, if bldg wants to locate there, xxxx parking on second floor
is it admissible if this locn approved; at same time advise staff to pay for damages
we will pay $170K in taxes for that one bldg this year, we deserve some xxx
Mayor: Mr Sokol, will you clarify
Sokol: was some discussion a year back; concerned about some issues
letter from staff not supporting a liq store, but I've never seen the letter
CW: haven't with me can get it for Mr Sokol
CW: one more; .... not the same ppl; authenticity is what I question
Mayor: xxx, I'd like to defer to Mark Sager
CW: may I interrupt
Mayor: No,
Sager: thank you, Malcolm; ......
I was on Ccl when Mr Walker came to us for his beautiful bldg
we all hoped that this bldg wd be demolished with the BofM moved out
on 14th and M, asked for access, believe in place
I see this in a tragic loss of an opp; needs revitalization, needs...xxx
not much you can do, it's a box
I'm at 1495, tired looking bldg as well; but this bldg has no hope
hope Ccl, encourage, meet with owners of this bldg, take a different course
Mary Charette: Amb resident (Fulton); empathize with merchants and understand whey they want to see something bustling
not in favour of another liq store
not opposed to liq and consumption; just feel another needed
can this be a mix of comm, resid, xxx
been in that lane and it can get really congested
do understand a prime site for Amb
Sonya Plater [?]: I'm a merchant in the 1400 block of MDr
speaking on behalf of other merchants
strong support for redevt on southern side
illustrated by a petition, shd be in the package you have in front of you
as to the site itself, my response when approached by opposition, what wd be the motivating factor, gathering strong interest in tearing down
a renovation wd be at least in the right direction
site was vacant for many months
was another liq store on MDr, was a bank, expensive to redevt, so tenant able to relocate, special
redvp into office
my father is an architect
is it feasible? as a merchant on M Dr and an economist, teach about importance of free market
in Amb area only aware of one liq store
cold beer and wine, going there for the knowledge of the product
sort of client attract; positive addition; lead to a positive outcome
strongly in favour as merchants
Norma Gibson: live in a condo-complex, Bellevue Landing
area is mixed resid and comm, the afternoon the heaviest
most on street level
as owners, we have no street parking, no front door parking
yes, allotted angled parking however seldom, if ever, spot available
owners of Bellevue Landing park below the bldg and must exit two ways
equate Y, radiating out form our exit
alleyway to the south, obstructing several times a day by the mail trucks b/c PO on the corner
or ppl to do mailing at the PO
if this is the case impossible to exit
no parking sign but have yet to see any enforcement
the other lane, to the west used mainly for loading, unloading for shops and this wd be behind the liq store
some of these trucks are huge, linen, Purolator
the laneway behind where liq store wd go into bldg xxx
traffic during the day is continuous, like a main thoroughfare but no lights
imp to reach our spots below ground
if plan to build ramp, traffic flow will be at a standstill in both lanes and often impossible for us to access our parking spots
what ware we going to do without cars?
increase in traffic serious prob with safety and noise; respectfully, be declined
John Seddon: I also live at ....  twofold concerns
first, access -- at times access cannot be found, trucks block the way
with the addition of the parking, pretty, all cars shown within the parking spaces if you were to measure, there is less space than a medium-sized car
access problem -- emergency vehicles -- if you can't go show can they police maybe but not fire truck
NOISE, loading and unloading of liquor great detriment to us
no objection to liq store, but to ramp and noise
real estate agendas tell us floor space is substantially greater than shown in Planning Dept
if they're wrong they can be sued, I believe likely right
then need for 12 pkg spaces ... shd be gone into...  the application to build a ramp shd be declined
Christine Fernandez: She is not here she's given me her letter to read
MAN then reads: unable to attend therefore Mr Noordin Madatali reading on my behalf
12 years; store seven of those years; wonderful location, grown attracted to cmnty
constant complaint no comm parking between 14 and 15th street -- lane is a traffic nightmare
no mgmt; vortex of activity; congested with delivery trucks, ofc personnel, 30 retail stores and residential traffic; post office trucks, gas delivery
how many times to drive around block
stunned to learn liq store with deliveries from back lane; lane cannot handle the amt of traffic
think of merchants how affect our customers...
Malcolm Burke [?]: shorten my remarks b/c a lot made by predecessors; also live at Bellevue Landing
subject to traffic and noise from back lane; substantial and growing
14th in front of our bldg full and Bellevue often full
demand for parking growing; navigational hazard; been delayed ten minutes at a crack
those looking to make a quick purchase, not particular, tend to take shortcuts; cumulative effect serious
as a keen supporter of Amb rejuvenation; like to see a jewel; this is semiprecious at best and a longterm lease
application be denied
Bernie Kooner:  owner of liq store at 16th with brother and [sister?]; lived here for 45 years
looked at that bldg a few years ago, thought might be good, bigger
talked to Bob, said liq store fine but loading bay  xxx
the other issue is parking
enquired of bldg, Bob Mackie; Brent said same thing about parking
colleagues covered most points
Ravi Hira {impressive prepared presentation; obviously a lawyer}: I've a booklet with exchange of correspondence with Mr Sokol
have a traffic.....
you have been copied on all of this material but thought in this form, more accessible
Mr Walker forgot something, not a lawyer, a little DVD to illustrate the traffic problems in that laneway
wonder if that DVD can be played
RH: I represent....
ofc on Georgia, but lived on NSh for 40 years
MS: count as part of three minutes
RH: it's Mr Walker's presentation
[played DVD]
Mayor: we get the point
RH: tab xxx
liq store chose not to renew its lease; have provided to you the drawings; the sq ftg is in excess of 4600sf so really it requires 12 spots, not 3
a summary of our position is found at tab 11
cclr asked, have there been any traffic studies?   I have brought one, at g
medium-sized cars will not be able to fit in
certain trucks will not be able to manoeuvre in that area
As Mr Walker pointed out, that BC Hydro transformer, 3.3 m
garbage bins, you'll have truncated spots and a handicapped that shdn't be there b/c of the transformer
wrt residents, what's it going to be like 7 to 9am
they can only come over Second Narrows; what happens bad weather
many issues not thought through
this application at this time, shd not ....
Noordin Madatali: does this mean I get more than five minutes b/c last speaker?
JC: then you'll be here all alone
NM: here to present views in objective a manner as I can
first of all I think a staff report must be objective and complete; this report is not inclusive of all the positives and negatives for a balanced opinion
not balanced and flawed on data and facts
been involved in ... plan been involved since 1987 ...  currently it's a war zone
just cup of coffee, bank, no enforcement violations continue
does Ccl really believe...  three to five minutes, they're going to park wherever they want
no consideration
say it not on speculation, on experience
we have a garage and I had one of the traffic bylaw officers, Nov 5, example of what it takes to get in and out of parking garage; can't do anything about it
trucks smart, commercial plates right to park anywhere for 15 minutes
bylaw ofcr can't get in there
L-shape is going to be a nightmare ... worse
urge Ccl to come and see facilities
urge Ccl mbrs and engineers, spend some time physically at our location, see what we're going through before undertakings
letter dated Aug 6 signed by head office; mean nothing in writing, no underlying assurances
if a problem, have to go to head office; burden is on our taxpayers, bylaw ofcr
who's going to pay for these undertakings?
Mayor: anything further?
NM: yes I do; maybe no parking sign, no stopping rather ... be great
including our fire trucks who come to have coffee at Bean around the World
250 16h St...  liq
similar revenue; can't fulfill obligations in two hours
think of what happens during holiday season
cannot take the burden, will need more than 7:30 to 9:30
a bond of $X to pay for enforcement
Mayor: Ccl wants to get to; if you have anything else?
NM: yes I do
how many come to a liq store on a bicycle?
maybe letter
declined renewal of lease; not fact; given opps, they did not reply in a timely fashion
I've seen garbage
Mayor: we'd like to receive your report
Darlene Sanders: owner of Avant Gardener, been there 20 years
a few points: have put up with traffic in laneway, part of my biz
took petition around and those not part of Walker bldg; without fail all in favour of this coming in, we're desperate for foot traffic
they're going to park in front of my store and come in and take a look
all of us are geared up for Christmas to come in and shop
Mayor: anyone else wanting to speak?
MS moved:
THAT all written and verbal submissions be received for information.
MS moved: THAT Staff report back to Council regarding submissions heard this evening
Sop: agree staff report back on that info (and more)
although buildings old, good biz; a vibrancy still there
to revitalize Amb; reminded of small biz and taxation and monthly rent
wonder why if a biz coming in, why not welcomed; flow off from liq store
vibrancy is the wellbeing of the biz; foot traffic, essence of small biz
so can meet rent and
going to hear it block by block
why are we doing this? for biz to flourish
MS: all Ccl's being asked to do is external bldg renovations from a long-standing corp citizen
normally work of a moment to approve it but been a number of comments from resid and biz
need a staff report
at an art gallery opening on Friday and few ppl, how empty ...
wd be nice to have a tenant up and running, encourage foot traffic in the area; not hold anyone in abeyance long
early in Dec have to make a decision on this
JF: when wd staff be bringing back a report?
Sokol: what issues you want brought back
JF: my last kick at the can; comments by Sop and Smith v logical
want to move to a revitalized Amb and want to be able to walk to everything to shopping, to entertainment
want to park our cars and not ....
difficult to do your shopping and entertainment in Amb now b/c spaces empty, not there xxx
anchors and magnets for commerce to exist
wd love to see something rejuvenated and all of the guidelines but in these economic times have to make some compromises, won't be there forever
more likely
do serious need reno; come forward and do kind of reno we like
see viable biz that will be a magnet to others
in light of staff returning to future Ccl, give thought to Amb T Ctr.... so ppl coming in able to do so, enhance qualities, form and function
on a staged basis achieve all of our goals for Amb
JC: I was the first occupant in Bellevue Landing; use that laneway as to my staff, etc, every day many times; sure trucks there smart enough in and out early
most come in to that area between 10am to 3o'clock
I'm there early and there's hardly anyone around
most come after 10am b/c that's when stores open up, don't deliver till then
if I owned a store..... fend off the competition
but the WV ratepayer paying a premium at private liq store
don't know that's justice
govt store; restaurants not allowed by law to buy from private, to govt liq store
but the inconvenience been taxing on them, they have to go to Caulfeild or Cap Mall a poor selection compared with what was in WVPk Royal ... is under renovation
a small store in Amb wd be an advantage to them
the truck that was being manoeuvred in the laneway, wd suspect brought on scene by producer of the view, I'd hire another driver
everyone I've talked to is in favour I've spoken with in past two weeks
we vote in favour but won't be here
Sop will save what I was thinking
MS: Cclr Clark makes a good point; have an obligation to; even though the new Ccl; brought back on Dec 8
staff report on three things: unacceptable form of accessibility; design doesn't enhance; lane access only from front, and trucks for deliveries
staff report by Dec 8 so ppl can get on with their lives
Sokol: good issues, will work with proponents; come back with ..... answers
Mayor: will have a report hope on Dec 8

5. Community Amenity Contribution Allocation Policy (File:  1008-00)
RECOMMENDED:  THAT Council adopt the Community Amenity Contribution Allocation Policy (Appendix A) attached to the October 29, 2008 report from the Director of Planning, Lands and Permits.
6. Council Support for 2009 Community Health Promotion Fund - "Building Connections for Older Adults Health Promotion" Pilot Project
RECOMMENDED: THAT the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) be advised that the District of West Vancouver fully supports the "Building Connections for Older Adults Health Promotion" pilot project and is willing to provide overall administrative support including financial management for the project.
Mayor: for $25K grant

7. Greater Vancouver Regional District Regional Emergency Management Service Establishment Bylaw No. 1079, 2008 (File: 2720-02-01/0185-01)
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council endorse the Memorandum of Understanding and Greater Vancouver Regional District Regional Emergency Management Service Establishment Bylaw No. 1079, 2008 and accept the funding formula as being property value based subject to a Task Force being struck to examine the larger issue of funding regional services and report back to the Board prior to the next budget cycle.
CAO: in the last couple of days, GVRD has actually passed the resoln
be reviewed by ARFAC and RAC next budget cycle
re funding formula, GVRD has agreed to review this
Sop: deferred decision a month ago?
CAO: deferred until such time the Regional District xxx
not able to get agreement on change of funding formula but did agree to review xxx
Sop: want to ask Mr Laing
call for any sort of allotment of monies by prop tax assessment
first year $150K to cap of $450K to $500K
do not accept the fact that the GVRD is going to tell us, in course of months, weeks, years, climb to millions and we in WV going to be put to the task again
not even an MoU
re emergency services -- Mr Laing in the first year reasonable? and future years?
RL: this bylaw this particular service relatively benign compared with TransLink and GVTA
we have a huge issue with Metro Vancouver generally
look forward to our participating in the Task force to review these matters; will be this bylaw a v minor amt for the moment
Sop: what of the future then?
RL: will come out of Task Force this summer
Sop: this is v expensive apple pie
blowdown incredible done
never seen a fireman not support another fireman, staff another staff, policeman another policeman
opposed another tax from GVRD
I'm not going to support it even in MoU xxx
Mayor: am I reading this correctly a diff of $6K
RL: $9K and ???
CAO: Madam Mayor, you're correct ...... $3K xxxxxxxxx
managed to get attention of the Board
over a matter of a $3K difference; think we shd ... in the planning process
change of funding
RD: does this metro emergency planning supplant or another layer above
CAO: it is a supplement Seymour will continue ...  across Metro Vancouver
RD: shd know b/c sat on it; what is our annual?
CAO: wd be guessing
RL: don't know
RD: $30K sticks in my mind; money well spent
this is simply an integrated function, makes sense to do that
amt of money not that great, shd go ahead
CARRIES with Sop opposed

8. Council Meeting Schedule for December 8, 2008 (File:  0120-01)
THAT the Council Workshop scheduled for December 8, 2008 be changed to a Special Council Meeting to be held on December 8, 2008 at 7:00 pm in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.
9. Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368, 2004, Amendment Bylaw No. 4583, 2008
THAT Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368, 2004, Amendment Bylaw
No. 4583, 2008 be read a first, second and third time.
10. Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005, Amendment Bylaw No. 4586, 2008 - Business Licence Fees
RECOMMENDED: three readings
11. Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4581, 2008 - Interim Development Amendments
This bylaw received 2nd reading, as amended and received 3rd reading at the October 27, 2008 Council meeting.
12. Correspondence List (File: 0120-24) [complete list in previous issue]
MS: FCmte mtg, excellent report third quarter; posted on website
see how Ms doing financially
Sop: thank my colleagues who are leaving; years of service
sticks with us 24 hours a day
extremely valuable input to shape this cmnty
wish you well in your private lives, not strangers in this chamber as long as you don't criticize me
RD: congratulate on your re-election
forgot to thank; the person behind this over 16 years, my wife Elaine
want to be on record thanking my wife
JF: congratulate you; we have two in the audience, Trish Panz and Michael Evison; two unsuccessful Carolanne Reynolds and Max Nikpay, well done; fought a good race
wonderful Ccl; don't be a stranger; some of us have always been strange
JC: echo on what I've just heard; do a great job
some of the things talked about; resonated through the M
heard you're going to tackle Police, Wallace [Wally?] Craig sure wd make himself available
The election act shd get a really hard look so angst and acrimony that was flying around last two or three weeks avoided in future
On Nov 2nd in Tidings in paper, there was a little piece about the helmet safety resolution adopted at FCM; emanated from this Ccl Chamber; but I feel bad Richard Kinar not credited for working probably ten years to get this to where it arrived; unsung hero, if you're listening Richard, you have my full support and admiration
RD: been nice working with you, Cclr Clark, last six years; want to congratulate also new cclrs Michael Evison and Trish Panz, and to recognize Carolanne Reynolds and Max Nikpay and all the work they've done over the years; staff been great too; adjourn mtg
Mayor: accept reports, then questions and comments
Mayor: wdn't be the same if Carolanne Reynolds didn't have the last word.
CR: I often don't have the last word but I'm often at the last item.
The first thing is that I was going to thank you for putting the Item No 5 on the Cmnty Benefits Policy [on the agenda] so I was surprised -- I had a few things to say -- and it's been withdrawn.  Cd you tell us, is it coming back? is there a problem, or what?
Mayor: wd expect it to be on the Dec 8th agenda
Sokol or CAO?: that's correct, Madam Mayor
{UPDATE: it's not on the Dec 8th agenda as you see below.}
CR: Okay, then, that's great; that's what I was wondering.
and then I will -- of course I remember sitting with Cclr Day who was v helpful when I was first on Ccl, so I wanted to thank him specially, but for the rest of you, [wish you] a great three years and whatever you do for the next three years.  Thank you.
Mayor:  Former Cclr Reynolds, and now, Cclr Day, a motion to adjourn.
RD: I'm going to adjourn our last mtg of this Ccl; ... and that the new Ccl quite welcome to take over the burden.
15.  ADJOURNMENT  [9:30]

===  CCL AGENDA with NOTES Dec 1  ===
        O CANADA sung by Jason Cook
2. Swearing-in of duly elected and re-elected members of council
The Honourable Madam Justice J.R. Dillon did the swearing-in of the duly elected and re-elected Members of Council.  [Mayor, ME, ML, TP, MS, Sop, SW]
Mayor: thank MLA Joan McIntyre for being here this evening.
Since on their territory, Squamish Nation
Chief Bill Williams: thank you for letting us speak on this important day
our hope we can continue to work together; look forward to a good relationship
Bob Baker: My name is [in Squamish] and the name on my driver's licence is Bob Baker
good to see cedar b/c we are the People of the Cedar; we sweep with cedar boughs
honoured to share this with you
short prayer to our ancestors; we reach back and speak to our ancestors always
{If I recall correctly, this means 'thank you'.}
[in Squamish]
lift my eyes to the mountains to The Creator where we get our support....
Now share a blessing song with you
from [Sq Name] who lived at HwayHway [sp?] (Lumberman's Arch); this song came to her and she sang as she paddled
Mayor: Now a Performance by Aliqua [eight female students]; trained under vander Horst and they'll be entertaining us at the Museum; being produced by Ashnan Sood
learned all this at WV Secondary

Mayor: can't wait to start working with this Ccl
[Text supplied; check against delivery]  MAYOR GOLDSMITH-JONES'S INAUGURAL REMARKS:
   This is an interesting day for our country, as our elected leaders in Ottawa seem to struggle with what is in the best interests of Canadians.  The lesson is instructive for us.  We may have been elected for our differing points of view, but our work is done together, and our decisions are made as a group.  We do our work by presenting different points of view or approaches to a problem.  The metaphor of polishing ourselves against one another is how I like to think of our debates.  Rough ideas become refined, faulty logic gets reordered, narrow interests become more inclusive, a minority view develops into a mainstream idea.  May we shoot for this ideal in our work over the next three years, and may we remember the feeling of hope and optimism in our Chambers tonight.
   Our swearing-in ceremony is an important time to think about the fact that we are one body, not seven individuals.  As Mayor, I am committed to supporting each of you so that you may fully realize your potential as a member of Council.  That's what the community expects.  We are all responsible for upholding Council decisions, once they are made, because our authority comes from the motions we pass, not our personal opinions.
   Each of our Councillors brings rich community experience, optimism, and energy to the public realm.  Each has expressed [an] intent to work collaboratively on Council.  Everyone has already worked together on working groups, Committees of Council, or local Boards of Directors.  Judging by the emails I've already received, this is a keen group.  I am inspired by your enthusiasm, and I am counting on your ability to continue to smile at one another and remember that while some of the issues we deal with may be tough, the points of view we each express come from our love of the community.
   It is easy to be cynical about politicians.  It is much harder to walk in those shoes.  Our swearing-in ceremony is a measure of the community's respect for the commitment each of us is making, and we appreciate the trust you have placed in us, and the reciprocal commitment we make to put others' interests before our own.  I think it is really good news for West Van to have four new members of Council.  We have a great opportunity to redefine how we work, to establish a higher standard for effective governance, and to challenge ourselves to develop a long range strategic plan.  The synergy between new perspectives and those with experience on Council is an exciting prospect.
   Council doesn't just set the priorities for the organization, we set the tone.  A cohesive Council that can coalesce around the decision of the majority empowers the staff to execute our goals successfully.  Our ability to stay focused also contributes directly to the efficiency of the organization.  Council is taking office at an important turning point.  Our Chief Administrative Officer, Grant McRadu, has been here six months now.  His restructuring has begun, new teams are taking shape, Directors who have served us well are beginning to retire and the next wave of talent in the organization is stepping up.  A recent Harris poll indicated that the top two priorities for successful businesses are its people and the community it serves.  Those are our priorities as well.
   We know that the world economy has changed dramatically, and the workforce is undergoing a major transition.  We also know that we serve an incredibly engaged community, with very high expectations.  Very tough decisions will need to be made in the days ahead.  Our job is to ensure that these decisions add to the long-term social, financial, and environmental stability of West Vancouver.  Local government is closest to the people.  Our swearing-in is our public and personal commitment that we will pull together.
   In the past term, Council demonstrated our ability to deliver on an agreed-to set of priorities.  West Vancouver has been extremely well served by volunteer citizens on working groups, as they took on complex public policy questions.  Our challenge now is to move beyond a one-year budget cycle, or a three-year term, in our thinking.  We need to build on the work that went before, for example with regard to housing and neighbourhood character, the long term integrity of our parks and wilderness areas, the potential of the new community centre, and the very real need for a budget that drives our strategic goals and measures how we're doing.  I am counting on members of Council to keep our discussions at a policy level, and to respect that the Council meeting time we have together is a precious resource, to be shared equally amongst all members of Council.
   I would like to close with a personal message.  At the risk of sounding provincial, we all need to remember the power of being polite in our daily lives, and to show that we care about each other.  Slow down, wave at people, let someone else go first, don't litter, thank a firefighter, don't blame the bylaw officer, remember how important it is to be a good neighbour.  As resources shrink, and individuals and families are put under great strain, I think it is important to remember that above all, we are a community.
   West Vancouver is made up of extraordinarily caring people of all ages.  We all recognize and understand the tangible feeling of loving West Van that can overcome you at the library, the seniors' centre, the soccer field, the coffee shops, on the trails, or wherever your own special spot is.  Tonight may we all reflect on the responsibility we all share, to connect with one another because we understand the importance of community, we do not take it for granted, we are grateful for what West Vancouver has given us, and we realize the part we play in creating a greater good.
   Thanks you -- the public are all very welcome to join us at the Museum across the street for a reception after we adjourn.
Mayor: first bit of biz, I'm going to ask Cclr Sop of all ppl!  Keep it short.
Sop: Dec/Jan Sop; Feb/Mar Smith; Apr/May Lewis; June/July Walker; Aug/Sep Evison; Oct/Nov Panz
Mayor: many more to make but obliged tonight to make two of them
MS: Metro Vancouver Bd of Directors, Mayor G-J; to Metro V Labour Relations Bd Cclr Smith
Honour Guard Fred Harding; Fire; Justice; Sq Nation; Aliqua; Staff: Sheila Scholes, Pascal, Cathy Matheson
thank our firefighters for decorating; Dec 6 lights up Santa will be there
{This was cancelled}
8. ADJOURNMENT -- at 7:36 by Cclr Walker; and the pipes started!

===  CCL AGENDA Dec 8  ===
2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES  -- November 17, 2008 Special Council Meeting.
3. E. Collins, Chair, West Vancouver Seniors' Activity Centre Advisory Board regarding Annual Financial Contribution and Achievements of 2008 (File:  0115-20-SACA1)
4. Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive (File:  1010-20-08-026)
At the Nov 17 ccl mtg, Ccl considered this DPA and asked Staff to report back.
RECOMMENDED:  THAT all written and verbal submissions ... be received for information.
1.  DPA, which would allow for internal and external tenant improvements to an existing building, be approved.
2.  Staff explore the addition of [handicapped] stalls in strategic locations within Ambleside as part of the implementation of a parking strategy for the area.
3.  Staff explore restricting access to the lane for trucks greater than 38 feet.
5. Waterworks Regulation Bylaw No. 4490, 2006, Amendment Bylaw No. 4587, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4587)
RECOMMENDED:  THAT water user rates for 2009 be approved at amounts set out in the schedules
        [for three readings]
6. Sewer and Drainage Utility Fee Bylaw No. 4538, 2007, Amendment Bylaw No. 4588, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4588)
RECOMMENDED: THAT sewer user rates for 2009 be approved at amounts set out in the schedules
        [for three readings]
7. Council Appointments (File:  0115-01) --  To be provided.
BYLAWS for Adoption
8. Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005, Amendment Bylaw No. 4586, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4586)
This bylaw received three readings at the November 17, 2008 Council Meeting.
9. Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368, 2004, Amendment Bylaw
No. 4583, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4583)
This bylaw received three readings at the November 17, 2008 Council Meeting.
10. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
The following Consent Agenda items may be considered separately or in one recommendation.
RECOMMENDED:  THAT the Consent Agenda items as follows be approved:
Item 11 - Application for UBCM Phase 2 Community Tourism Funding
Item 12 - Chief Election Officer's Report regarding 2008 General Local Election
Item 13 - Development Variance Permit Application No. 08-027 (610 11th Street) (to set date for consideration)
Item 14 - Correspondence List.
11. Application for Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) Phase 2 Community Tourism Funding (File:  0055-20-UBCM1)
RECOMMENDED:  THAT Council support the District of West Vancouver's application for Phase 2 of the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) Community Tourism program funding.
12. Chief Election Officer's Report regarding 2008 General Local Election
(File:  1645-01)
RECOMMENDED:  THAT the report dated November 28, 2008 be received for information.
13. Development Variance Permit Application No. 08-027 (610 11th Street) (File:  1010-20-08-027)
RECOMMENDED:  THAT the Municipal Clerk give notice that the Development Variance Permit Application No. 08-027 for 610 11th Street, which provides for a new dwelling to be built with a reduced front yard and access from Duchess Avenue rather than the lane, will be considered on Monday, January 12th, 2009.
14. Correspondence List (File:  0120 24)
Correspondence received up to November 14, 2008
Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.
Action Required  --  No items presented.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(1)  A. Brown, Western Residents' Association of West Vancouver, November 8, 2008, regarding Use of 'The Gallery' Suite as BC Children's Hospital Grand Prize Home
(2)  Hon. T. Christensen, Minister of Children and Family Development, November 7, 2008, regarding Proclamation of November as Adoption Awareness Month
(3)  Hon. K. Krueger, Minister of Small Business and Revenue and Minister Responsible for BC Assessment, November 5, 2008, regarding Property Assessment Freeze at 2007 Levels
(4)  R. Meiklejohn, October 27, 2008, regarding Proposed Planning Bylaw Amendments
(5) 21 emails regarding Hugo Ray Park Development Concerns
(6) November 13, 2008, regarding Community [Centre] Construction Delays
(7)  S. Dowey, City of North Vancouver, October 23, 2008, regarding Revisions to the City and District of North Vancouver Youth Policies and the 2009 Civic Youth Strategy
        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(8)  S. Dowey, City of North Vancouver, November 6, 2008, regarding Request for Support - Kiwanis Park and Tilford Gardens' Christmas Lights for Kids
        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(9)   L. Jackson, Metro Vancouver Board, October 24, 2008, regarding Future of the Region Sustainability Dialogues Report: Regional Growth
(10)  L. Jackson, Metro Vancouver Board, November 4, 2008, regarding the Tap Water Campaign Municipal Declaration
(11)  Pitch-In British Columbia, regarding Volunteers and Contributions for 2009
Responses to Correspondence  --  No items presented.
Responses to Questions in Question Period  --  No items presented.
Correspondence received up to November 21, 2008
Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.
Action Required  --  No items presented.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(12)  K. Gustavson, Karl Gustavson Architect Inc., November 17, 2008, regarding Development Information Meeting for 2490-2496 Marine Drive
(13)  6 emails regarding Hugo Ray Park Development Concerns
(14)  November 16, 2008, regarding The Sport of Cricket and Hugo Ray Park
(15)  G. Morden, Whalley Enhancement Association, November 21, 2008, regarding Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act (SCAN)
        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.
(15)  C. Reynolds, W.V. Matters, November 18, 2008, regarding Community Amenity Contribution Allocation Policy
(16)  November 19, 2008, regarding Support for Ambleside [Farmers'] Market
(17)  J. McIntyre, MLA West Vancouver-Garibaldi, regarding Congratulations on the November 15 Local Government Election
Responses to Correspondence
(19) B. Dozzi, Manager of Roads and Transportation, November 20, 2008, regarding Pedestrian Issues
Responses to Questions in Question Period --  No items presented.
Correspondence received up to November 28, 2008
Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.
Action Required  -- No items presented.
No Action Required (receipt only)
(20)   Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
        (a) Board of Variance Hearing Minutes - October 15, 2008
(21)  November 26, 2008, regarding Aquatic [Centre] and Intersection at Fulton and 21st
(22)  November 10, 2008, regarding Fence on Property Line
(23) 3 emails regarding Hugo Ray Park
(24)  November 25, 2008, regarding 2009 Earth Hour and Earth Day Events
(25) Mayor P. Goldsmith-Jones, November 27, 2008, regarding Capilano Road Improvement Project
Responses to Correspondence  --  No items presented.
Responses to Questions in Question Period  --  No items presented.

===   FOODWATCH   ===
Anyone who knows me, knows that I haven't cooked with salt for years -- indeed have even sent back a dish (it was with delectable chanterelles) b/c all I cd taste was salt, ruining the delicate flavour.  When you're not used to salt, that's all you can taste if they put much in or decorate on top.
There was a kerfuffle some years ago with baby food.  Humans get accustomed to salt and need more and more to taste it.  Mothers chose the ones with salt b/c it tasted better, had more flavour, and wasn't bland.  Problem was that babies then had high levels and as we know now, a problem for the heart.
Anyway normal amounts cooking are fine, just not added on top, rock salt, sea salt, sprinkled sometimes like snow.
The main point of this is that non-salt products are starting to appear (watch %age on tomato juice for instance).  What a delight to find Lucerne's 2% cottage cheese with no salt added.  You notice the 'bland' but then it takes on a slightly creamy texture/flavour.  Increases the possibilities to mix with food -- either fish or fruit........
Yummy discovery.

Am sure you know, but just in case:
MAYOR: Pam Goldsmith-Jones
COUNCILLORS: Michael Evison, Michael Lewis, Trish Panz, Michael Smith, Bill Soprovich, Shannon Walker
SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEES: Mary-Ann Booth, Cindy Dekker, Jane Kellett, Barry Lindahl, Dave Stevenson
Having attended nearly all the ccl mtgs since on Ccl in 1988 as well as many cmte/WG mtgs and mbr of some results in excruciatingly frustrating listening b/c I know when things are said that are not so, when they're polished, trashed, omitted -- especially since one must stay silent to avoid ad hominem attacks.
They say truth is the first casualty of war -- is politics far behind?
o   The Cmnty Ctr cd not go out to tender b/c no one was giving out fixed-price contracts -- construction costs were going up about 3 to 4% per month.
o   True this Ccl inherited the Cmnty Ctr project to be built and had to make the best of it, but that's b/c the previous Ccl demolished the old rec ctr mere weeks before the election therefore no choice -- cdn't campaign on keeping or anything, however only Vivian Vaughan and Michael Smith did not vote to demolish b/c they weren't on the previous Ccl but the rest were.
o  The delay making budget info available to public this fall (and last, etc) had nothing to do with assessments (they are used just to set the mill rate once amt of budget decided).
o  TRAFFIC between ~7 and 9:30am: Some years ago it was so bad cars were stopped and/or crawled from MDr and TWay east.  You cd talk to the drivers and passengers, pass them pamphlets and even coffee, ask/answer questions.  This year in the two days (Nov 13 and 14), only once there was a brief slowdown for about five seconds -- that's all.  About 30% talking on a cell phone.  Most unusual: a bowl of cereal between  steering wheel and driver.
o  This Council was more open than previous ones.
o  Thursday morning (13th) six convertibles went by with tops down!  Ain't WV great!
o  ACMs and maybe also individual brochures make a minimal difference, slates rule, and one in particular.  Probably under 1000 go to an ACM and the candidates rarely get more than a couple of questions (and in some instances not even that).  Shaw used to have a call-in rather than the present two-minute clip wch I'd be surprised many watched and that might reach more.  Some ppl feel they must vote but haven't followed Ccl so just vote a slate.  It's easy.  They then think they've fulfilled their duty.
Come to think of it, sitting in the audience listening at an ACM, how do you know what the truth is if you haven't done your research?  If you have been following DWV affairs, no need to go to an ACM, right?  Oh except for ppl you haven't heard of before to see how informed they are and what their policies are.
o  SLATES  There were three but I'd heard there might be four.  This is sort of like Voting for Dummies.  Unless you know the choosers and the candidates and are assured they reflect your values and wishes.  Again, that involves research.
This is responsible govt after all.
You are responsible.
Most, however I find do not want that responsibility and do not exercise the right to vote responsibly.  I'm not optimistic as to how democracy will go.  Why not all vote for no taxes and a guaranteed minimum income of $36K?
Slate A was a list but with no idea who chose them or who paid for the glossy piece.  Maybe this will come out since I understand some are trying to discover who.
Slate B had five rather than the seven but was chosen by residents with residential/ratepayer concerns a priority.
Slate C is a bit more difficult to decode.  Some prominent figures but involved in planning, devt, architecture, and one the spouse of local head of BPP.  No doubt what bent.  OTOH, not all in that category.  Even if their choice is a considered one, someone well-organized (and well-funded) can buy up enough mbrships to ensure who gets recommended.  And that's what's done -- but it's the same with elections.  Whoever's the best organized and gets the most votes out wins.
Too many citizens it appears are willing to sit back assuming the world will unfold as they want without much effort.
Politics is damn hard work.
It ain't always easy and it ain't always nice.
What wd you suggest in its place?
o  GET INVOLVED so you have your say, otherwise you can't complain.
o  LOW VOTER TURNOUT  Ah, there's the rub.  To oversimplify, those who don't vote are saying "any of the above".  The problem is that those who vote are not a cross-section random sample of the electorate.  What motivates someone to take the time and trouble to vote?  Making money (devt, upzoning, densification) or special interests (sports and arts groups for facilities including rec ctrs).  So a low turnout can skew the results more toward some things than wd normally happen, eg a western rec ctr underused so has to be subsidized at about $600K a year wch, btw, postponed the building of the new cmnty ctr where 70% of the popn live.
o  Equal Opportunity for Candidates.  This is not rocket science, folks, but none of the ACMs were fair wrt the candidates.  I keep score and they went from five for a few candidates to two or three at one ACM.  In another, there were two or three but a couple of candidates got none!  Two ACMs controlled the time of the questioners (thus avoiding speeches) and controlled the answers (to one minute, with a warning).  Those were good measures to keep in mind for next time.  To my astonishment, several said it was 'difficult'.  It isn't.  Sit there with a list of the names and tick the name off each time that candidate answers.  Once everyone has had one tick, start on the second.  Why does that simple method escape so many?  That system avoids the temptation to hog or grab the mike.  (It's not that I was always on the lower end, a few had less than I did; it's a matter of fairness.)
o  Good intentions are sometimes mistaken and even counterproductive when devoid of municipal bylaws, administration, history, procedures.
o  Well, I can promise you experience, honesty, knowledge, ability, fairness, putting cmnty/residents first with openness and inclusion, but I'm not political, not a politician, not a organizer, and not a campaigner.
o  Advertising and publicity also play a role along with gullibility.
o  Certainly everyone congratulates and wishes the new Council all the best.
Now, let's see what happens........

===  The YEAR OF THE POTATO -- 2008  ===  (sorry, a bit late!)

=  The potato
Spud we like  Feb 28th 2008  From The Economist print edition
In praise of the humble but world-changing tuber
IT IS the world's fourth-most-important food crop, after maize, wheat, and rice. It provides more calories, more quickly, using less land and in a wider range of climates than any other plant. It is, of course, the potato.
The United Nations has declared 2008 the International Year of the Potato (see article). It hopes that greater awareness of the merits of potatoes will contribute to the achievement of its Millennium Development Goals, by helping to alleviate poverty, improve food security, and promote economic development. It is always the international year of this or month of that. But the potato's unusual history (see article) means it is well worth celebrating by readers of The Economist - because the potato is intertwined with economic development, trade liberalisation and globalisation.
More and about YouTubers: http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10766030

=  Peru
Llamas and mash  Feb 28th 2008 | From The Economist print edition
Making the most of potato patrimony
Tastier than frozen french fries
MENTION potatoes in the United States and most people immediately think of Idaho, where more than a quarter of the country's crop is produced. In Europe, Ireland and its famine or Poland and its vodkas come to mind. But nowhere is prouder of its potatoes than Peru, where they were domesticated more than 7,000 years ago. The country is home to up to 3,500 different varieties of edible tubers, according to the International Potato Centre, whose headquarters are near Lima.
The United Nations has designated 2008 as the "International Year of the Potato" and not surprisingly Peru hopes to use this to draw attention to itself and its crop. Alan Garc=EDa, the president...
and for the rest: http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10766599

===  LANGUAGE  ===  The power of speech
When Daniel Everett first went to live with the Amazonian Pirah=E3 tribe in the late 70s, his intention was to convert them to Christianity. Instead, he learned to speak their unique language - and ended up rejecting his faith, losing his family and picking a fight with Noam Chomsky...
Everett is the only person in the world beyond the sweeping banks of the Maici river in the Amazon basin who can speak Pirah=E3.
Just 350 Pirah=E3 (pronounced Pee-da-HAN) hunt and gather from their simple homes in the Brazilian rainforest. Linguists believe their language is unrelated to any other; racist Brazilian traders say the Pirah=E3 talk like chickens. This obscure Amazonian people speak using only three vowels and eight consonants (including the glottal stop) but their language is far from simple. Like Chinese, for example, Pirah=E3 is tonal and speaking in a different pitch transforms the meaning of a word. Unlike other tonal languages, Pirah=E3 can also be hummed and sung.
The Pirah=E3 have no socially lubricating "hello" and "thank you" and "sorry". They have no words for colours, no words for numbers and no way of expressing any history beyond that experienced in their lifetimes.
For the whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/10/daniel-everett-amazon

===  QUOTATIONS  ===
~~~  A pun is the lowest form of humour, unless you thought of it yourself.  ~~~
Life is a jest, and all things show it,
        I thought so once, and now I know it.
                -- John Gay, poet and dramatist (1685-1732)
If you kick a stone in anger, you'll hurt your own foot.
                -- Proverb (Korean)
If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.
                        -- Margaret Thatcher
If you think you're too small to have an impact, try going to bed with a mosquito.
                        -- Anita Roddick
If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.
                -- Thomas Pynchon
If it weren't for marriage, men would spend their lives thinking they had no faults at all.
                -- Anonymous
~~Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia. ~~
What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the rest of the world calls a butterfly
                        -- Lao Tse
Failure is instructive.  The person who really thinks learns quite as much from his failures as from his successes.
                        -- John Dewey (1859 - 1952)
The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.
                        -- John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)
Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
                                -- Abraham Lincoln
The most important thing in communication is to hear what isn't being said.    -- Alan Watts
Being taken for granted can be a compliment.  It means you've become a comfortable, trusted element in another person's life.
                                -- Dr. Joyce Brothers
A compliment is verbal sunshine.    -- Robert Orben
The inimitable Spike Milligan           The rain it raineth on the just
                        And also on the unjust feller,
                        But chiefly on the just because
                        The unjust steals the just's umbrella.