=  No ccl mtg Nov 24; Swearing-In Dec 1st; MAIN ITEMS Dec 8th: DPA 1434 Marine; Bylaws for three readings on Waterworks Regulation and Sewer/Drainage Utility Rates; Ccl Apptmts; DVP 610 -11th for Jan 12th; Lots of Correspondence -- Property Assessment Freeze, Hugo Ray Park, Cmnty Ctr, and NOTE Letter 12 about a public mtg at the Library on Dec 2nd wrt a Shoppers Drug Mart proposed for the Capers site in Dundarave -- WHO KNEW?  more effort/measures needed to inform cmnty BEFORE a mtg so they can actually become informed and provide input!

=  Vive le Canada (BC and GG); ANIMALWATCH (catnbox; mating); from the EDITOR'S DESK (Condolences); UPDATES (Design Review Cmte Mbrs wanted; 2009 Heritage Award Nominations sought)

=  CALENDAR to Dec 15th: well, as much as known at the moment!

=  CULTUREWATCH (Opera, Theatre)

=  Ccl Mtg NOTES Nov 17th: DPs with public input for Rodgers Crk Area 1, 1434 Marine; Health Promotion Pilot Project; Regional Emergency Mgmt Service; Bylaws for notice enforcement and fees/charges; Interim Devt Amendments Zoning Bylaw for adoption; at PQP I asked when the item on Cmnty Benefits withdrawn from the agenda wd be back (the Mayor said she thought Dec 8th but as you see, it's not there)

= CCL MTG AGENDA/NOTES for Dec 1st (with the Mayor's Inaugural Address); AGENDA Dec 8th

=  FOODWATCH; ELECTIONWATCHed

=  The Year of the Potato -- 2008; Language (The Power of Speech); Quotations

===  Vive le Canada  ===  well, BC actually, first

The Proclamation of 1858 at Fort Langley took place on November 19th and so we celebrate the 150th anniversary of the proclamation of the Crown Colony of British Columbia.  The VSun has had some interesting stories of pioneers.

GOVERNOR-GENERAL  We've just had an example of the value of a constitutional monarchy.  Three choices at least: prorogue, ask coalition of Libs and NDP to form govt, have an election.  The next milestone is January 27 but no doubt we'll observe lots of jockeying before then.

*  Adults only video (Forwarded to me with msg: Here's the video of the lamprey mating behaviour we observed in the Ashlu back in the summer. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0IcYU9dpO6k )

Condolences and regret at the passing of one of my (memorable) UBC profs of French literature, Ron Jeffels, and also of a gentleman for whom I had great respect, Chris Lee, who served on the Srs' Ctr board and just now on the Cmnty Ctr Governance WG.

* WVSPCA sends kudos

- to 10,000 Villages in Ambleside. This organization not only sells beautiful and useful items from around the world; it supports developing countries

- to the SPCA. They gave prizes for three of our Walkathon events, and now they are offering a special way for you to help both organizations. Shop at 10,000 Villages (1387 Marine) between Nov 20 and Dec 26, and tell them you would like 10% of the value of your pre-tax purchase to go (to) the WVSPCA.  It's a great way to increase your giving.

Donation Locations:  WV Police: WVPD Headquarters - 1330 Marine Drive and

        ~ 9am ~ CEC mtg

        ~ 1:30pm ~ Arts and Cultural Facilities WG [CANCELLED]

ALSO:  ~ 5 - 7pm ~ Chamber of Commerce's November Mbrship Showcase at Partnership Ctr, 1846 Marine Dr

AND the WV Historical Society mtg at 7pm at the Srs' Ctr

This is the first book to be published on the rich and diverse history of Hollyburn, the forested, mountainous area above West Vancouver.  Numerous photographs, most of which are published here for the first time, provide a visual appeal which evokes the spirit of earlier times.

The resurgence of interest in cross-country skiing and snowshoeing has made the original Hollyburn area one of the most popular locales for these activities in North America.  Francis Mansbridge's interest in the history of the North Shore was stimulated by his dozen years as an archivist in North Vancouver.  A love of outdoor recreation has led him to spend extensive time exploring the Hollyburn area.

SPECIAL ANNOUNCEMENT:  "City Reflections" to be re-shown

The blackout at our September 24th meeting left a number of people unhappy with missing most of the DVD that was being shown.  The [meeting to show the] 1907 film taken on the streets of Vancouver was very well attended.   A second showing will occur following our November 26th presentation by [Francis] Mansbridge on the new "Hollyburn book".

        ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte mtg [CANCELLED]

        ~ 5pm ~ North Shore Adv Cmte on Disability Issues at DNV M Hall

        ~ CEC mtg (time to be confirmed)

        ~ 6pm ~ Library Board (in Library)

and

don't forget:

6:30 pm - Cocktails - No Host Bar; 7pm  Dinner at Capilano Golf and Country Club

Cost:     Member and Guests $ 90.00 per person (GST included)  Pre-paid registration is required

The Chamber is delighted to hold the 2008 Christmas Party and Silent Auction once again in the elegant English style manor house, The Capilano Golf and Country Club.

Dress attire is elegant holiday/semi-formal / or your best business attire.  If you want to dress to the nines.... go right ahead.... it is the perfect place and time to celebrate in style!

Please RSVP asap.  Our host, Capilano Golf and Country Club, requires advance number for preparation.  Please also note that we are unable to give a refund without 48 hours notification; however a delegate substitution is welcome at any time.

If you would like to donate an auction item, please contact the chamber at: 604-926-6614 or info@westvanchambr.com.  Remember that the proceeds from the auction go right back into the chamber, where you, the member benefit!  Thank you for your generosity!

Please RSVP asap by calling 604-926-6614, or on our website www.westvanchamber.com  and click on Events Calendar on left side menu.

+++  WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++  See: http://www.westvanlib.org/

+  Come and practise your English conversation skills at the Library: Fridays, Dec 5, 12, 19 in the Musto Room 10 - 11:30am.  For info call Fariba Rocker at 604 506 6616.  No registration required.

Join Joe Ronsley for readings and discussion of the works of one of the best poets of the 20th century.  Tues mornings: Nov 18, 25, and Dec 2. 10:30 - 12:30pm.  No registration required, drop-ins welcome.

        See: http://ferrybuildinggallery.com/exhibitions/upcoming_exhibition

+++ SILK PURSE +++  (1570 Argyle)  www.silkpurse.ca

+ November 18 - 30, 2008 -- "Wish You Were Here=8Ain stitches"

December 2 - 18, 2008 -- "Rediscover Photography"

        The Prints of Alistair Bell  to February 7, 2009

To see the electronic newsletter, the address is http://kaymeekcentre.weebly.com.  Getting onto the mail list: the simplest method is to call the box office (604 913 3634) or email tickets@kaymeekcentre.com

Find out what's happening by visiting: http://www.westvan60.com/newsletter.html. 

or http://www.westvan60.com/Images/The%20Torch%20Newsletter%20-%20Fall-2008.pdf

===   CULTUREWATCH   ===  Some time to be the culture vulture!

*  Four-Course Meal at the Havana had four one-act plays; quite a variety, enjoyable by ITSAZOO.

*  VANCOUVER OPERA: Eugene Onegin soaring -- Carmen's next!

*  Glengarry Glen Ross in a tiny venue (58 seats) but superbly acted hence sold out performances.

*  The Circle by Somerset Maugham at the Jericho Arts Ctr until Dec 7 -- a period piece, enjoyable, with a hilarious scene with Glen Pinchin who retired after 32 years in the RCMP then took up acting!

*  The Thing About Men at Presentation House ends Saturday Dec 6

*  If you missed Pinter's Briefs at Presentation House (see Blackbird's Website), you can see it at the Cultch Dec 3 to 6; Tix at Ticketmaster. Call 604 280 3311 or purchase online by clicking here.

Mayor: Cclrs served you for a long time

Cclr V not with us this evening, thank her for her commitment for three years, conscientious; often took a different view and that's how [inaudible], ... served well

and JC think of fireworks, Coho Festival

contribution in this most recent election

for nine years of service

John E Clark [presented a print/painting?]

JC: tyvm; had planned to say a few words on a terrific campaign, ..... running all over for  me

have set aside my plans to ask for a recount

nine years, before that Chamber of Commerce

been an honour to serve; best place in the world; I'm not dead, told CAO I'm available

Mayor: in spirit of cmnty; call on former mayor; make presentation to Cclr Day

Mark Sager: congratulate you on our re-election; know you'll serve v well; thanks to all those who ran

over to my dear friend, Rod Day; long history; early 80s

RD: 1970

Mayor: you were in Grade 7

Sager?:  first elected to Ccl in 1986

?  I'd been on Ccl for a few years, wonderful, his articulate mind

served so well, leading us on planning issues; always fair and always judicious

in 1990, the thought of running for mayor crossed my mind

he was thinking of retiring but I won't run, if you will, I'll stay

Rod took a three-year break and came back in 2000

Mayor Ron Wood, six wonderful years

speak for Ron and for Pam, opp to work with Rod, absolutely the best; always wise, always thoughtful

did read the NSN on Sunday where he put his age

... am sure Elaine is thrilled -- being able to travel and do the things you want to do

you've always been with the times

a real honour to be here tonight, and I know I'm speaking for everyone tonight ... thank you

RD: after that, I don't know what to say; not often I'm speechless

Citizens' Planning Forum, had a reputation as a sort of Young Turk

Derrick Humphreys, thought least harm on Parks; then on XXX; then in too deep

kids were too young, by then at university

served ten years, off six, and then

know a lot of cclrs, citizens, and staff; get criticized but they're able

Kevin Pike says he's been on 750 mtgs

pleasure of serving under Ron Wood, a distinguished citizen

Pat Boname, passed away recently; good friend, sorry to know she's gone from us

first time named to Parks Comm

feeling with election of Pam, I might end up on a WG or two

been wonderful

..... that certain something about WV; always loved this cmnty; been a great pleasure; tyvm.

Mayor: welcome former Mayor Ron Wood to make presentation to Cclr Ferguson

.... Saturday... win or lose great.....

lady I first met around 1990, she was on sch bd and I was on Ccl

we had black hair

JF: xxxx

RW: over the years; work on behalf of WV

her political career started with [sch bd?] .. 1986 to 1999

ccl, nine years on Ccl

served on virtually ev cmte [named many]

particularly remember her serving on the OCP review, she accepted the challenge, worked on it for four years and finally in 2005 presented a new OCP and it was adopted.

remembered in three ways: principle and strategic understanding; consistent rational manner in xxx; patient and compassionate manner in dealing with the v different priorities of the residents

been a pleasure working with you for nine years

thank you for your 22 years; good health and happiness, congratulations

[also given print]

JF: I thought I was going to get a wine glass with a coat of arms

we have moved on; it has been a ......; sort of like being on Oprah

grateful to all; staff, M, and sch bd

I always cry when ..............  xxx

don't necessarily

thank the ppl of WV having the confidence in me so often;  xxxx

thank my colleagues; have learned something from each and one of you

even if I didn't take your advice

like to thank my family been v patent

when politicians retire, say spend more time with fam, so get ready

....Monday nights won't be the same

thank you to the ppl of WV

Mayor: thank you for being part of the changing of the guard; thank you....; serving WV comes from the bottom of your hearts

and now we'll return to our regular Monday night

Mayor: is former cclr Liz Byrd here tonight?

LB: Susanna is here

Mayor: you can introduce

LB: thank Ccl; support for KMC

we are a non-profit out there; you've supported us and want to thank you v much indeed

        withdrawing item 5; adding 16.1 and 2

2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES

Mayor: correction

SSch: says Heritage Register, shd be "HWG's final report"

3. Development Permit Application No. 08-035 for Area 1 of the Rodgers Creek Area (located north of Chippendale Road and immediately west of Marr Creek) (File:  1010-20-08-035)

At the October 27, 2008 meeting, Council received the report dated October 21, 2008 from the Manager, Community Planning

RECOMMENDED:

Geri Boyle, staff, gave background and described devt; sgl-fam, multi-fam, open-space lot, three creeks PROTECTED?

variance for lot one reduction from 40ft to 20ft for rear setback, long lot

retaining walls nec re stormwater drainage

do not meet grade line

consistent with Rodgers Overview Report

Mayor: one question from Cclr Sop

Sop: three

variances do not conflict by intent -- by fact not consideration/subjective

will be what we see?

GB: terms remain as presented; to provide some flexibility

specific lot line might change wrt angle; once we get engineering drawings for the road

allows us to fine tune alignment of subdiv

same number of lots

from an Approving Officer's point of view if that wording not in place, uncomfortable

panhandle lots wd not be in character

Sop: stormwater mgmt; 100yr flood? to water's edge? any holding/retention ponds?

GB: sets out standard, not solution; short-term to long-term soln xxxxx

100yr flow

been having interesting technical discussions; look at ways of slowing

looking at more of a wetland in the activity node, on Chippendale, low impact measure

NW corner looking at introducing a small wetland

a bridge xxx; a number of things being looked at xxx

Sop: been reassured devt in a series of nodes, so land back to the District wd not have an grooming

in 2.12 calls for a mgmt zone

want to be assured that brush removed for fire protection only not xxxxx

will not groom any of those areas

under tree management

GB: intention of the tree mgmt zone; Stonecliff v successful, retaining trees still with views

our Envtal Coord totally on board with this

[RD made motion]

Larry Kellett: I live on Chippendale Road, father of two four-yr-old chn

truck lost control of his vehicle, corner, took out two trees on my prop and stop at stone fence

this dump truck was unloaded, what wd hv happened if full

scared me deeply

urge Ccl to attach to restrict downhill heavy truck traffic, to BAN, down Chairlift, Folkestone Way, XXXX, and XXXX

[Mayor called three times if any further input]

RECOMMENDED:  THAT all written and verbal submissions regarding DPA be received for information.

PASSES

RECOMMENDED: THAT the DPA which would allow for site development, subdivision and single family house construction, be approved.

MS: out of respect of the citizen who just spoke, [seek] assurance of

GB: our expert on this topic, Brent Dozzi not able to be with us

talked to him this afternoon; temp route and perm;  perm is Ch

for temp, what BPP has proposed is a ......... that is now in place; it is over their prop

what about everybody else?

between Taylor's and Whitby X hundred lots

size of prob been reduced

deal with all BPP operations; deal with all xxx

requiring them to follow .... mgmt plan

perm truck route was xxx; the owners have to deliver to District by Dec 22 statutory xxx

being vetted by our solicitors, then have 18 months to get that in place

doing advanced detailed design xxx Rodgers Crk

Sop: Wd .... ever entertain

be eliminated from Chairlift, xxx

never have those large trucks coming down

GB: exactly what proposal is

Sop: our downhill truck policy?

GB: yes

Sop: when might we see something like that?

GB: Dir/Engg

RF: as Ms Boyle just mentioned; we have xxx

once that is done, staff revisit downhill truck route and present that to Ccl

CARRIED

4. Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive (File:  1010-20-08-026)

At the October 27, 2008 meeting, Council received the report dated October 16, 2008 from the Urban Design Planner titled "Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive".

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the proposed Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive attached to the report from the Urban Design Planner dated October 16, 2008 be received for consideration.

Sokol, Dir/Planning: within Ambleside permit area

BC Liquor Branch store; address form and character; design guidelines within OCP

other issues: adequacy of parking places, part of bldg permit

Allison Feltman: I am the manager of ... on 21st?

loyal customer base, excellent customer service

special occasion licences; walk to Police Stn; and back to us; inconvenience from Park Royal, have to drive

hardship...  Caulfeild

restaurants: Carmelo's each House, Legion

asked several times a day when we're going to reopen

our Ambleside store has raised over $10K in past three years for schools

letter from customer, may I read?

Mayor: yes

[read letter of support]

Bob Tougas: Dir of Real Estate and Devt for BC Liquor Dist Branch

here with my associates and architect, Mr Thibodeau

replacing our closed location; here to answer questions

first opened in 1951 in Amb; had to open on other side of bridge

excellent... with cmnty

after not being able to ..... our lease in April this year

queried re licence; informed zoning allowed for our use

specs July 3 for bldg permit

subsequently told to Amb Permit area and subject to zoning; so applied Aug 15 and been in process of approval since then

believe we've complied with all reqs

putting our best foot forward; will have a cmnty feel

product consulting, special, promote BC products

200 outlets in prov; in 2008-10 service plan, available to the public -- key goal is customer experience, enhance the shopping experience minimize the benefit xxx ... associate with signature stores..... improve customer access.....

key one is real estate and devt when proposing

continuation of our NSh plan; renov, Cap Mall, etc, in process of renovating PkRoyal; Caulfeild

social responsibility

can provide copy of our plan, can see on our website

Mr Thibodeau is our architect and can answer

Robert Thibodeau: at old Bank of Montreal branch

removing large signage and putting in a zoning compliance sign

painting the stucco; access to back -- deliveries early in the morning; keeping existing parking

Sop: how do you dispose of our garbage? huge

RT: everything inside

?: placed into our trucks

Mayor: pls direct to

Sop: to xxx

Mayor: then introduce yourself

Scott Downey: I'll be facilities..  for this project

smallest garbage bin we cd get; between bollards

garbage from our stores minimal, kitchen waste; almost everything gets recycled

Sop: any traffic pattern study done? parking initiative, impact? in the middle of a block? anything about analyzing time allotments, and in lane, other than nine spots

Wayne Barker: I'm the leasing manager

we've done studies on how long cust usually in store -- usually three to five minutes

seem to know what they're looking for

av turnaround v quick

see this particular location, stalls in behind wch we didn't have in last location

foot traffic, lots of parking on street; don't see problem

JF: I'm looking at the parking lot and notice that on the eastern side of the bldg a door, is if for public?

RT: condemned door, shdn't be there

JF: long way, esp for those with mobility probs, our

make more friendly for ppl with those sorts of problems

RT: this is pretty well existing

WB: about four ft off ground

RT: foot and a half, don't know what that door was doing there, that's why condemned it

Chuck Walker: retirees; now you can have a glass of wine with me that xxx

Mayor: address?

CW: 1455 Bellevue; been discussing for many years......

chosen by the City, direction of the City; Amb Town Ctr Strategy

chaired by JF and co chaired by Colette Parsons

long, struggle, but finally got it done

back in our area; encourage ppl to move into downtown nbrhd

encourage safe living, better life style

where was the Planning Dept -- who asked xxx

complete surprise to me; blindsided; cmte spent a year and no one asked us

first of all a prior enquiry for a liq store was turned down; wd be too destructive

why didn't someone in Planning Dept consult the files ... xxx

concern of accessibility of liquor; who has trouble finding a...

this lane is the most congested; jampacked all day; trucks from 7am to late in afternoon

the local tenants of retail stores in jeopardy b/c xxx

during period of doing Pk Royal to 13th; our retailers, xxx

b/c of construction...

This block is a prime block, Ccl F and a lot of us spent a lot of time

key is xxx though

with liq on Marine, from 7am to 9pm

the retail ....     from the govt liq store; they're not coming there to pick up two or three bottles

half a dozen liq stores on the NSh; these folks who run restaurants

continual confrontations between cars and trucks daily

145 come to our bldg ev morning; xxx gone by 8 o'clock

liq stores don't ......  grocery stores

and no hope, nobody is going to go in a wheelchair....  xxx it's impossible

if this passes, .... dead and serious

that taxpayers voted for

if....  will Ccl assure me any damage to ... bldgs

nbr  xxx

if can't find replacement for granite tiles, cd have to replace entire of bldg

Mayor: wrap up

CW: rules ...  guideline ...  no parking, moving, within 3.3 meters of this hydro kiosk yet talking about garbage

don't want xxx; can't jam it all in one corner

Mr Sokol has ...   use .. sq ftg no been considered

with this diagram, if you're going to have four parking stalls...... new Mercedes Benz golf cart

just heard paint it, .......

paint doesn't take care of

Mayor: Mr Sokol, will you clarify

Mayor:.

CW: one more; .... not the same ppl; authenticity is what I question

Man???:

Mayor: xxx, I'd like to defer to Mark Sager

CW: may I interrupt

Mayor: No,

Sager: thank you, Malcolm; ......

I see this in a tragic loss of an opp; needs revitalization, needs...xxx

not much you can do, it's a box

I'm at 1495, tired looking bldg as well; but this bldg has no hope

hope Ccl, encourage, meet with owners of this bldg, take a different course

Mary Charette: Amb resident (Fulton); empathize with merchants and understand whey they want to see something bustling

not in favour of another liq store

not opposed to liq and consumption; just feel another needed

can this be a mix of comm, resid, xxx

been in that lane and it can get really congested

do understand a prime site for Amb

as to the site itself, my response when approached by opposition, what wd be the motivating factor, gathering strong interest in tearing down

a renovation wd be at least in the right direction

site was vacant for many months

was another liq store on MDr, was a bank, expensive to redevt, so tenant able to relocate, special

redvp into office

my father is an architect

is it feasible? as a merchant on M Dr and an economist, teach about importance of free market

in Amb area only aware of one liq store

cold beer and wine, going there for the knowledge of the product

sort of client attract; positive addition; lead to a positive outcome

Norma Gibson: live in a condo-complex, Bellevue Landing

area is mixed resid and comm, the afternoon the heaviest

most on street level

yes, allotted angled parking however seldom, if ever, spot available

surrounding

owners of Bellevue Landing park below the bldg and must exit two ways

equate Y, radiating out form our exit

alleyway to the south, obstructing several times a day by the mail trucks b/c PO on the corner

or ppl to do mailing at the PO

if this is the case impossible to exit

no parking sign but have yet to see any enforcement

the other lane, to the west used mainly for loading, unloading for shops and this wd be behind the liq store

some of these trucks are huge, linen, Purolator

the laneway behind where liq store wd go into bldg xxx

traffic during the day is continuous, like a main thoroughfare but no lights

imp to reach our spots below ground

John Seddon: I also live at ....  twofold concerns

Christine Fernandez: She is not here she's given me her letter to read

MAN then reads: unable to attend therefore Mr Noordin Madatali reading on my behalf

12 years; store seven of those years; wonderful location, grown attracted to cmnty

constant complaint no comm parking between 14 and 15th street -- lane is a traffic nightmare

how many times to drive around block

think of merchants how affect our customers...

Malcolm Burke [?]: shorten my remarks b/c a lot made by predecessors; also live at Bellevue Landing

subject to traffic and noise from back lane; substantial and growing

14th in front of our bldg full and Bellevue often full

demand for parking growing; navigational hazard; been delayed ten minutes at a crack

those looking to make a quick purchase, not particular, tend to take shortcuts; cumulative effect serious

as a keen supporter of Amb rejuvenation; like to see a jewel; this is semiprecious at best and a longterm lease

Bernie Kooner:  owner of liq store at 16th with brother and [sister?]; lived here for 45 years

looked at that bldg a few years ago, thought might be good, bigger

talked to Bob, said liq store fine but loading bay  xxx

the other issue is parking

enquired of bldg, Bob Mackie; Brent said same thing about parking

probability......

colleagues covered most points

Ravi Hira {impressive prepared presentation; obviously a lawyer}: I've a booklet with exchange of correspondence with Mr Sokol

have a traffic.....

you have been copied on all of this material but thought in this form, more accessible

Mr Walker forgot something, not a lawyer, a little DVD to illustrate the traffic problems in that laneway

wonder if that DVD can be played

Mayor:

RH: I represent....

ofc on Georgia, but lived on NSh for 40 years

MS: count as part of three minutes

RH: it's Mr Walker's presentation

[played DVD]

Mayor: we get the point

RH: tab xxx

liq store chose not to renew its lease; have provided to you the drawings; the sq ftg is in excess of 4600sf so really it requires 12 spots, not 3

a summary of our position is found at tab 11

cclr asked, have there been any traffic studies?   I have brought one, at g

medium-sized cars will not be able to fit in

certain trucks will not be able to manoeuvre in that area

As Mr Walker pointed out, that BC Hydro transformer, 3.3 m

garbage bins, you'll have truncated spots and a handicapped that shdn't be there b/c of the transformer

wrt residents, what's it going to be like 7 to 9am

they can only come over Second Narrows; what happens bad weather

many issues not thought through

Noordin Madatali: does this mean I get more than five minutes b/c last speaker?

JC: then you'll be here all alone

NM: here to present views in objective a manner as I can

first of all I think a staff report must be objective and complete; this report is not inclusive of all the positives and negatives for a balanced opinion

not balanced and flawed on data and facts

been involved in ... plan been involved since 1987 ...  currently it's a war zone

just cup of coffee, bank, no enforcement violations continue

does Ccl really believe...  three to five minutes, they're going to park wherever they want

we have a garage and I had one of the traffic bylaw officers, Nov 5, example of what it takes to get in and out of parking garage; can't do anything about it

L-shape is going to be a nightmare ... worse

letter dated Aug 6 signed by head office; mean nothing in writing, no underlying assurances

if a problem, have to go to head office; burden is on our taxpayers, bylaw ofcr

who's going to pay for these undertakings?

Mayor: anything further?

NM: yes I do; maybe no parking sign, no stopping rather ... be great

including our fire trucks who come to have coffee at Bean around the World

250 16h St...  liq

similar revenue; can't fulfill obligations in two hours

think of what happens during holiday season

cannot take the burden, will need more than 7:30 to 9:30

a bond of $X to pay for enforcement

Mayor: Ccl wants to get to; if you have anything else?

NM: yes I do

how many come to a liq store on a bicycle?

maybe letter

declined renewal of lease; not fact; given opps, they did not reply in a timely fashion

I've seen garbage

Mayor: we'd like to receive your report

they're going to park in front of my store and come in and take a look

all of us are geared up for Christmas to come in and shop

Mayor: anyone else wanting to speak?

[NO]

MS moved:

THAT all written and verbal submissions be received for information.

CARRIES

MS moved: THAT Staff report back to Council regarding submissions heard this evening

Sop: agree staff report back on that info (and more)

although buildings old, good biz; a vibrancy still there

to revitalize Amb; reminded of small biz and taxation and monthly rent

wonder why if a biz coming in, why not welcomed; flow off from liq store

vibrancy is the wellbeing of the biz; foot traffic, essence of small biz

so can meet rent and

at an art gallery opening on Friday and few ppl, how empty ...

wd be nice to have a tenant up and running, encourage foot traffic in the area; not hold anyone in abeyance long

early in Dec have to make a decision on this

JF: when wd staff be bringing back a report?

Sokol: what issues you want brought back

JF: my last kick at the can; comments by Sop and Smith v logical

want to move to a revitalized Amb and want to be able to walk to everything to shopping, to entertainment

want to park our cars and not ....

difficult to do your shopping and entertainment in Amb now b/c spaces empty, not there xxx

anchors and magnets for commerce to exist

wd love to see something rejuvenated and all of the guidelines but in these economic times have to make some compromises, won't be there forever

more likely

do serious need reno; come forward and do kind of reno we like

see viable biz that will be a magnet to others

in light of staff returning to future Ccl, give thought to Amb T Ctr.... so ppl coming in able to do so, enhance qualities, form and function

on a staged basis achieve all of our goals for Amb

JC: I was the first occupant in Bellevue Landing; use that laneway as to my staff, etc, every day many times; sure trucks there smart enough in and out early

most come in to that area between 10am to 3o'clock

if I owned a store..... fend off the competition

but the WV ratepayer paying a premium at private liq store

don't know that's justice

govt store; restaurants not allowed by law to buy from private, to govt liq store

but the inconvenience been taxing on them, they have to go to Caulfeild or Cap Mall a poor selection compared with what was in WVPk Royal ... is under renovation

a small store in Amb wd be an advantage to them

the truck that was being manoeuvred in the laneway, wd suspect brought on scene by producer of the view, I'd hire another driver

Sop will save what I was thinking

MS: Cclr Clark makes a good point; have an obligation to; even though the new Ccl; brought back on Dec 8

Sokol: good issues, will work with proponents; come back with ..... answers

5. Community Amenity Contribution Allocation Policy (File:  1008-00)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT Council adopt the Community Amenity Contribution Allocation Policy (Appendix A) attached to the October 29, 2008 report from the Director of Planning, Lands and Permits.

WITHDRAWN

RECOMMENDED: THAT the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) be advised that the District of West Vancouver fully supports the "Building Connections for Older Adults Health Promotion" pilot project and is willing to provide overall administrative support including financial management for the project.

Mayor: for $25K grant

7. Greater Vancouver Regional District Regional Emergency Management Service Establishment Bylaw No. 1079, 2008 (File: 2720-02-01/0185-01)

RECOMMENDED: THAT Council endorse the Memorandum of Understanding and Greater Vancouver Regional District Regional Emergency Management Service Establishment Bylaw No. 1079, 2008 and accept the funding formula as being property value based subject to a Task Force being struck to examine the larger issue of funding regional services and report back to the Board prior to the next budget cycle.

CAO: in the last couple of days, GVRD has actually passed the resoln

be reviewed by ARFAC and RAC next budget cycle

re funding formula, GVRD has agreed to review this

Sop: deferred decision a month ago?

CAO: deferred until such time the Regional District xxx

not able to get agreement on change of funding formula but did agree to review xxx

Sop: want to ask Mr Laing

call for any sort of allotment of monies by prop tax assessment

look forward to our participating in the Task force to review these matters; will be this bylaw a v minor amt for the moment

Sop: what of the future then?

RL: will come out of Task Force this summer

blowdown incredible done

never seen a fireman not support another fireman, staff another staff, policeman another policeman

opposed another tax from GVRD

I'm not going to support it even in MoU xxx

Mayor: am I reading this correctly a diff of $6K

RL: $9K and ???

CAO: Madam Mayor, you're correct ...... $3K xxxxxxxxx

managed to get attention of the Board

over a matter of a $3K difference; think we shd ... in the planning process

change of funding

RD: does this metro emergency planning supplant or another layer above

CAO: it is a supplement Seymour will continue ...  across Metro Vancouver

RD: shd know b/c sat on it; what is our annual?

CAO: wd be guessing

RL: don't know

RD: $30K sticks in my mind; money well spent

this is simply an integrated function, makes sense to do that

amt of money not that great, shd go ahead

8. Council Meeting Schedule for December 8, 2008 (File:  0120-01)

RECOMMENDED:

THAT the Council Workshop scheduled for December 8, 2008 be changed to a Special Council Meeting to be held on December 8, 2008 at 7:00 pm in the Municipal Hall Council Chamber.

PASSES

RECOMMENDED:

THAT Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368, 2004, Amendment Bylaw

No. 4583, 2008 be read a first, second and third time.

PASSES

RECOMMENDED: three readings

PASSES

12. Correspondence List (File: 0120-24) [complete list in previous issue]

13.  REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS

see how Ms doing financially

Sop: thank my colleagues who are leaving; years of service

sticks with us 24 hours a day

extremely valuable input to shape this cmnty

wish you well in your private lives, not strangers in this chamber as long as you don't criticize me

RD: congratulate on your re-election

forgot to thank; the person behind this over 16 years, my wife Elaine

JF: congratulate you; we have two in the audience, Trish Panz and Michael Evison; two unsuccessful Carolanne Reynolds and Max Nikpay, well done; fought a good race

wonderful Ccl; don't be a stranger; some of us have always been strange

JC: echo on what I've just heard; do a great job

some of the things talked about; resonated through the M

heard you're going to tackle Police, Wallace [Wally?] Craig sure wd make himself available

On Nov 2nd in Tidings in paper, there was a little piece about the helmet safety resolution adopted at FCM; emanated from this Ccl Chamber; but I feel bad Richard Kinar not credited for working probably ten years to get this to where it arrived; unsung hero, if you're listening Richard, you have my full support and admiration

RD: been nice working with you, Cclr Clark, last six years; want to congratulate also new cclrs Michael Evison and Trish Panz, and to recognize Carolanne Reynolds and Max Nikpay and all the work they've done over the years; staff been great too; adjourn mtg

Mayor: accept reports, then questions and comments

Mayor: wdn't be the same if Carolanne Reynolds didn't have the last word.

CR: I often don't have the last word but I'm often at the last item.

The first thing is that I was going to thank you for putting the Item No 5 on the Cmnty Benefits Policy [on the agenda] so I was surprised -- I had a few things to say -- and it's been withdrawn.  Cd you tell us, is it coming back? is there a problem, or what?

Mayor: wd expect it to be on the Dec 8th agenda

Sokol or CAO?: that's correct, Madam Mayor

CR: Okay, then, that's great; that's what I was wondering.

and then I will -- of course I remember sitting with Cclr Day who was v helpful when I was first on Ccl, so I wanted to thank him specially, but for the rest of you, [wish you] a great three years and whatever you do for the next three years.  Thank you.

Mayor:  Former Cclr Reynolds, and now, Cclr Day, a motion to adjourn.

RD: I'm going to adjourn our last mtg of this Ccl; ... and that the new Ccl quite welcome to take over the burden.

15.  ADJOURNMENT  [9:30]

The Honourable Madam Justice J.R. Dillon did the swearing-in of the duly elected and re-elected Members of Council.  [Mayor, ME, ML, TP, MS, Sop, SW]

Mayor: thank MLA Joan McIntyre for being here this evening.

Since on their territory, Squamish Nation

Chief Bill Williams: thank you for letting us speak on this important day

our hope we can continue to work together; look forward to a good relationship

Bob Baker: My name is [in Squamish] and the name on my driver's licence is Bob Baker

short prayer to our ancestors; we reach back and speak to our ancestors always

OHceeum

[in Squamish]

lift my eyes to the mountains to The Creator where we get our support....

Now share a blessing song with you

from [Sq Name] who lived at HwayHway [sp?] (Lumberman's Arch); this song came to her and she sang as she paddled

[SONG]

Congratulations

Mayor: Now a Performance by Aliqua [eight female students]; trained under vander Horst and they'll be entertaining us at the Museum; being produced by Ashnan Sood

learned all this at WV Secondary

Mayor: can't wait to start working with this Ccl

[Text supplied; check against delivery]  MAYOR GOLDSMITH-JONES'S INAUGURAL REMARKS:

COUNCIL SWEARING-IN CEREMONY

   This is an interesting day for our country, as our elected leaders in Ottawa seem to struggle with what is in the best interests of Canadians.  The lesson is instructive for us.  We may have been elected for our differing points of view, but our work is done together, and our decisions are made as a group.  We do our work by presenting different points of view or approaches to a problem.  The metaphor of polishing ourselves against one another is how I like to think of our debates.  Rough ideas become refined, faulty logic gets reordered, narrow interests become more inclusive, a minority view develops into a mainstream idea.  May we shoot for this ideal in our work over the next three years, and may we remember the feeling of hope and optimism in our Chambers tonight.

   Our swearing-in ceremony is an important time to think about the fact that we are one body, not seven individuals.  As Mayor, I am committed to supporting each of you so that you may fully realize your potential as a member of Council.  That's what the community expects.  We are all responsible for upholding Council decisions, once they are made, because our authority comes from the motions we pass, not our personal opinions.

   Each of our Councillors brings rich community experience, optimism, and energy to the public realm.  Each has expressed [an] intent to work collaboratively on Council.  Everyone has already worked together on working groups, Committees of Council, or local Boards of Directors.  Judging by the emails I've already received, this is a keen group.  I am inspired by your enthusiasm, and I am counting on your ability to continue to smile at one another and remember that while some of the issues we deal with may be tough, the points of view we each express come from our love of the community.

   It is easy to be cynical about politicians.  It is much harder to walk in those shoes.  Our swearing-in ceremony is a measure of the community's respect for the commitment each of us is making, and we appreciate the trust you have placed in us, and the reciprocal commitment we make to put others' interests before our own.  I think it is really good news for West Van to have four new members of Council.  We have a great opportunity to redefine how we work, to establish a higher standard for effective governance, and to challenge ourselves to develop a long range strategic plan.  The synergy between new perspectives and those with experience on Council is an exciting prospect.

   Council doesn't just set the priorities for the organization, we set the tone.  A cohesive Council that can coalesce around the decision of the majority empowers the staff to execute our goals successfully.  Our ability to stay focused also contributes directly to the efficiency of the organization.  Council is taking office at an important turning point.  Our Chief Administrative Officer, Grant McRadu, has been here six months now.  His restructuring has begun, new teams are taking shape, Directors who have served us well are beginning to retire and the next wave of talent in the organization is stepping up.  A recent Harris poll indicated that the top two priorities for successful businesses are its people and the community it serves.  Those are our priorities as well.

   We know that the world economy has changed dramatically, and the workforce is undergoing a major transition.  We also know that we serve an incredibly engaged community, with very high expectations.  Very tough decisions will need to be made in the days ahead.  Our job is to ensure that these decisions add to the long-term social, financial, and environmental stability of West Vancouver.  Local government is closest to the people.  Our swearing-in is our public and personal commitment that we will pull together.

   In the past term, Council demonstrated our ability to deliver on an agreed-to set of priorities.  West Vancouver has been extremely well served by volunteer citizens on working groups, as they took on complex public policy questions.  Our challenge now is to move beyond a one-year budget cycle, or a three-year term, in our thinking.  We need to build on the work that went before, for example with regard to housing and neighbourhood character, the long term integrity of our parks and wilderness areas, the potential of the new community centre, and the very real need for a budget that drives our strategic goals and measures how we're doing.  I am counting on members of Council to keep our discussions at a policy level, and to respect that the Council meeting time we have together is a precious resource, to be shared equally amongst all members of Council.

   I would like to close with a personal message.  At the risk of sounding provincial, we all need to remember the power of being polite in our daily lives, and to show that we care about each other.  Slow down, wave at people, let someone else go first, don't litter, thank a firefighter, don't blame the bylaw officer, remember how important it is to be a good neighbour.  As resources shrink, and individuals and families are put under great strain, I think it is important to remember that above all, we are a community.

   West Vancouver is made up of extraordinarily caring people of all ages.  We all recognize and understand the tangible feeling of loving West Van that can overcome you at the library, the seniors' centre, the soccer field, the coffee shops, on the trails, or wherever your own special spot is.  Tonight may we all reflect on the responsibility we all share, to connect with one another because we understand the importance of community, we do not take it for granted, we are grateful for what West Vancouver has given us, and we realize the part we play in creating a greater good.

Mayor: first bit of biz, I'm going to ask Cclr Sop of all ppl!  Keep it short.

Sop: Dec/Jan Sop; Feb/Mar Smith; Apr/May Lewis; June/July Walker; Aug/Sep Evison; Oct/Nov Panz

Mayor: many more to make but obliged tonight to make two of them

MS: Metro Vancouver Bd of Directors, Mayor G-J; to Metro V Labour Relations Bd Cclr Smith

Honour Guard Fred Harding; Fire; Justice; Sq Nation; Aliqua; Staff: Sheila Scholes, Pascal, Cathy Matheson

thank our firefighters for decorating; Dec 6 lights up Santa will be there

8. ADJOURNMENT -- at 7:36 by Cclr Walker; and the pipes started!

1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA

2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES  -- November 17, 2008 Special Council Meeting.

3. E. Collins, Chair, West Vancouver Seniors' Activity Centre Advisory Board regarding Annual Financial Contribution and Achievements of 2008 (File:  0115-20-SACA1)

4. Development Permit Application No. 08-026 for 1434 Marine Drive (File:  1010-20-08-026)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT all written and verbal submissions ... be received for information.

RECOMMENDED:  THAT

5. Waterworks Regulation Bylaw No. 4490, 2006, Amendment Bylaw No. 4587, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4587)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT water user rates for 2009 be approved at amounts set out in the schedules

        [for three readings]

6. Sewer and Drainage Utility Fee Bylaw No. 4538, 2007, Amendment Bylaw No. 4588, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4588)

RECOMMENDED: THAT sewer user rates for 2009 be approved at amounts set out in the schedules

        [for three readings]

7. Council Appointments (File:  0115-01) --  To be provided.

BYLAWS for Adoption
8. Fees and Charges Bylaw No. 4414, 2005, Amendment Bylaw No. 4586, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4586)

9. Bylaw Notice Enforcement Bylaw No. 4368, 2004, Amendment Bylaw

No. 4583, 2008 (File:  1610-20-4583)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the Consent Agenda items as follows be approved:

11. Application for Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) Phase 2 Community Tourism Funding (File:  0055-20-UBCM1)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT Council support the District of West Vancouver's application for Phase 2 of the Union of British Columbia Municipalities (UBCM) Community Tourism program funding.
12. Chief Election Officer's Report regarding 2008 General Local Election

(File:  1645-01)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the report dated November 28, 2008 be received for information.

13. Development Variance Permit Application No. 08-027 (610 11th Street) (File:  1010-20-08-027)

RECOMMENDED:  THAT the Municipal Clerk give notice that the Development Variance Permit Application No. 08-027 for 610 11th Street, which provides for a new dwelling to be built with a reduced front yard and access from Duchess Avenue rather than the lane, will be considered on Monday, January 12th, 2009.

14. Correspondence List (File:  0120 24)

Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.

Action Required  --  No items presented.

(1)  A. Brown, Western Residents' Association of West Vancouver, November 8, 2008, regarding Use of 'The Gallery' Suite as BC Children's Hospital Grand Prize Home

(2)  Hon. T. Christensen, Minister of Children and Family Development, November 7, 2008, regarding Proclamation of November as Adoption Awareness Month

(3)  Hon. K. Krueger, Minister of Small Business and Revenue and Minister Responsible for BC Assessment, November 5, 2008, regarding Property Assessment Freeze at 2007 Levels

(4)  R. Meiklejohn, October 27, 2008, regarding Proposed Planning Bylaw Amendments

(5) 21 emails regarding Hugo Ray Park Development Concerns

(6) November 13, 2008, regarding Community [Centre] Construction Delays

(7)  S. Dowey, City of North Vancouver, October 23, 2008, regarding Revisions to the City and District of North Vancouver Youth Policies and the 2009 Civic Youth Strategy

        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.

(8)  S. Dowey, City of North Vancouver, November 6, 2008, regarding Request for Support - Kiwanis Park and Tilford Gardens' Christmas Lights for Kids

        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.

(9)   L. Jackson, Metro Vancouver Board, October 24, 2008, regarding Future of the Region Sustainability Dialogues Report: Regional Growth

(10)  L. Jackson, Metro Vancouver Board, November 4, 2008, regarding the Tap Water Campaign Municipal Declaration

(11)  Pitch-In British Columbia, regarding Volunteers and Contributions for 2009

Responses to Correspondence  --  No items presented.

Responses to Questions in Question Period  --  No items presented.

Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.

Action Required  --  No items presented.

(12)  K. Gustavson, Karl Gustavson Architect Inc., November 17, 2008, regarding Development Information Meeting for 2490-2496 Marine Drive

(13)  6 emails regarding Hugo Ray Park Development Concerns

(14)  November 16, 2008, regarding The Sport of Cricket and Hugo Ray Park

(15)  G. Morden, Whalley Enhancement Association, November 21, 2008, regarding Safer Communities and Neighbourhoods Act (SCAN)

        Attachments available for viewing in Legislative Services Department.

(15)  C. Reynolds, W.V. Matters, November 18, 2008, regarding Community Amenity Contribution Allocation Policy

(16)  November 19, 2008, regarding Support for Ambleside [Farmers'] Market

(17)  J. McIntyre, MLA West Vancouver-Garibaldi, regarding Congratulations on the November 15 Local Government Election

(19) B. Dozzi, Manager of Roads and Transportation, November 20, 2008, regarding Pedestrian Issues

Responses to Questions in Question Period --  No items presented.

Requests for Delegation  --  No items presented.

Action Required  -- No items presented.

(20)   Committee and Board Meeting Minutes

        (a) Board of Variance Hearing Minutes - October 15, 2008

(21)  November 26, 2008, regarding Aquatic [Centre] and Intersection at Fulton and 21st

(22)  November 10, 2008, regarding Fence on Property Line

(23) 3 emails regarding Hugo Ray Park

(24)  November 25, 2008, regarding 2009 Earth Hour and Earth Day Events

(25) Mayor P. Goldsmith-Jones, November 27, 2008, regarding Capilano Road Improvement Project

Responses to Correspondence  --  No items presented.

Responses to Questions in Question Period  --  No items presented.

15.  REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS  16. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS  17.  ADJOURNMENT

Anyone who knows me, knows that I haven't cooked with salt for years -- indeed have even sent back a dish (it was with delectable chanterelles) b/c all I cd taste was salt, ruining the delicate flavour.  When you're not used to salt, that's all you can taste if they put much in or decorate on top.

There was a kerfuffle some years ago with baby food.  Humans get accustomed to salt and need more and more to taste it.  Mothers chose the ones with salt b/c it tasted better, had more flavour, and wasn't bland.  Problem was that babies then had high levels and as we know now, a problem for the heart.

Anyway normal amounts cooking are fine, just not added on top, rock salt, sea salt, sprinkled sometimes like snow.

The main point of this is that non-salt products are starting to appear (watch %age on tomato juice for instance).  What a delight to find Lucerne's 2% cottage cheese with no salt added.  You notice the 'bland' but then it takes on a slightly creamy texture/flavour.  Increases the possibilities to mix with food -- either fish or fruit........

Yummy discovery.

Am sure you know, but just in case:

MAYOR: Pam Goldsmith-Jones

COUNCILLORS: Michael Evison, Michael Lewis, Trish Panz, Michael Smith, Bill Soprovich, Shannon Walker

SCHOOL BOARD TRUSTEES: Mary-Ann Booth, Cindy Dekker, Jane Kellett, Barry Lindahl, Dave Stevenson

Having attended nearly all the ccl mtgs since on Ccl in 1988 as well as many cmte/WG mtgs and mbr of some results in excruciatingly frustrating listening b/c I know when things are said that are not so, when they're polished, trashed, omitted -- especially since one must stay silent to avoid ad hominem attacks.

o   The Cmnty Ctr cd not go out to tender b/c no one was giving out fixed-price contracts -- construction costs were going up about 3 to 4% per month.

o   True this Ccl inherited the Cmnty Ctr project to be built and had to make the best of it, but that's b/c the previous Ccl demolished the old rec ctr mere weeks before the election therefore no choice -- cdn't campaign on keeping or anything, however only Vivian Vaughan and Michael Smith did not vote to demolish b/c they weren't on the previous Ccl but the rest were.

o  The delay making budget info available to public this fall (and last, etc) had nothing to do with assessments (they are used just to set the mill rate once amt of budget decided).

o  TRAFFIC between ~7 and 9:30am: Some years ago it was so bad cars were stopped and/or crawled from MDr and TWay east.  You cd talk to the drivers and passengers, pass them pamphlets and even coffee, ask/answer questions.  This year in the two days (Nov 13 and 14), only once there was a brief slowdown for about five seconds -- that's all.  About 30% talking on a cell phone.  Most unusual: a bowl of cereal between  steering wheel and driver.

o  This Council was more open than previous ones.

o  Thursday morning (13th) six convertibles went by with tops down!  Ain't WV great!

o  ACMs and maybe also individual brochures make a minimal difference, slates rule, and one in particular.  Probably under 1000 go to an ACM and the candidates rarely get more than a couple of questions (and in some instances not even that).  Shaw used to have a call-in rather than the present two-minute clip wch I'd be surprised many watched and that might reach more.  Some ppl feel they must vote but haven't followed Ccl so just vote a slate.  It's easy.  They then think they've fulfilled their duty.

Come to think of it, sitting in the audience listening at an ACM, how do you know what the truth is if you haven't done your research?  If you have been following DWV affairs, no need to go to an ACM, right?  Oh except for ppl you haven't heard of before to see how informed they are and what their policies are.

o  SLATES  There were three but I'd heard there might be four.  This is sort of like Voting for Dummies.  Unless you know the choosers and the candidates and are assured they reflect your values and wishes.  Again, that involves research.

This is responsible govt after all.

You are responsible.

Most, however I find do not want that responsibility and do not exercise the right to vote responsibly.  I'm not optimistic as to how democracy will go.  Why not all vote for no taxes and a guaranteed minimum income of $36K?

Slate A was a list but with no idea who chose them or who paid for the glossy piece.  Maybe this will come out since I understand some are trying to discover who.

Slate B had five rather than the seven but was chosen by residents with residential/ratepayer concerns a priority.

Slate C is a bit more difficult to decode.  Some prominent figures but involved in planning, devt, architecture, and one the spouse of local head of BPP.  No doubt what bent.  OTOH, not all in that category.  Even if their choice is a considered one, someone well-organized (and well-funded) can buy up enough mbrships to ensure who gets recommended.  And that's what's done -- but it's the same with elections.  Whoever's the best organized and gets the most votes out wins.

Too many citizens it appears are willing to sit back assuming the world will unfold as they want without much effort.

Politics is damn hard work.

It ain't always easy and it ain't always nice.

What wd you suggest in its place?

o  GET INVOLVED so you have your say, otherwise you can't complain.

o  LOW VOTER TURNOUT  Ah, there's the rub.  To oversimplify, those who don't vote are saying "any of the above".  The problem is that those who vote are not a cross-section random sample of the electorate.  What motivates someone to take the time and trouble to vote?  Making money (devt, upzoning, densification) or special interests (sports and arts groups for facilities including rec ctrs).  So a low turnout can skew the results more toward some things than wd normally happen, eg a western rec ctr underused so has to be subsidized at about $600K a year wch, btw, postponed the building of the new cmnty ctr where 70% of the popn live.

o  Equal Opportunity for Candidates.  This is not rocket science, folks, but none of the ACMs were fair wrt the candidates.  I keep score and they went from five for a few candidates to two or three at one ACM.  In another, there were two or three but a couple of candidates got none!  Two ACMs controlled the time of the questioners (thus avoiding speeches) and controlled the answers (to one minute, with a warning).  Those were good measures to keep in mind for next time.  To my astonishment, several said it was 'difficult'.  It isn't.  Sit there with a list of the names and tick the name off each time that candidate answers.  Once everyone has had one tick, start on the second.  Why does that simple method escape so many?  That system avoids the temptation to hog or grab the mike.  (It's not that I was always on the lower end, a few had less than I did; it's a matter of fairness.)

o  Good intentions are sometimes mistaken and even counterproductive when devoid of municipal bylaws, administration, history, procedures.

o  Well, I can promise you experience, honesty, knowledge, ability, fairness, putting cmnty/residents first with openness and inclusion, but I'm not political, not a politician, not a organizer, and not a campaigner.

o  Advertising and publicity also play a role along with gullibility.

o  Certainly everyone congratulates and wishes the new Council all the best.

Now, let's see what happens........

===  The YEAR OF THE POTATO -- 2008  ===  (sorry, a bit late!)

More and about YouTubers: http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10766030

The United Nations has designated 2008 as the "International Year of the Potato" and not surprisingly Peru hopes to use this to draw attention to itself and its crop. Alan Garc=EDa, the president...

and for the rest: http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=10766599

===  LANGUAGE  ===  The power of speech

For the whole article: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/nov/10/daniel-everett-amazon

~~~  A pun is the lowest form of humour, unless you thought of it yourself.  ~~~

Life is a jest, and all things show it,

        I thought so once, and now I know it.

                -- John Gay, poet and dramatist (1685-1732)

If you kick a stone in anger, you'll hurt your own foot.

                -- Proverb (Korean)

If you just set out to be liked, you would be prepared to compromise on anything at any time, and you would achieve nothing.

                        -- Margaret Thatcher

                        -- Anita Roddick

If they can get you asking the wrong questions, they don't have to worry about the answers.

                -- Thomas Pynchon

If it weren't for marriage, men would spend their lives thinking they had no faults at all.

                -- Anonymous

~~Don't worry about the world coming to an end today. It is already tomorrow in Australia. ~~

What the caterpillar calls the end of the world, the rest of the world calls a butterfly

                        -- Lao Tse

Failure is instructive.  The person who really thinks learns quite as much from his failures as from his successes.

                        -- John Dewey (1859 - 1952)

The peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

                        -- John Stuart Mill, philosopher and economist (1806-1873)

The most important thing in communication is to hear what isn't being said.    -- Alan Watts

Being taken for granted can be a compliment.  It means you've become a comfortable, trusted element in another person's life.

                                -- Dr. Joyce Brothers