WVM2009-02
Ccl NOTES Jan 12th
AGENDA Jan 19th
Calendar to Jan 31st
by
Carolanne Reynolds, Editor
www.WestVan.org
Today's riddle:
I have holes in my top and
bottom, my left and right, and in the middle -- but I still hold
water. What am I?
IN THIS ISSUE:
= MAIN ITEMS Jan 19th: NSh Family Court / Youth
Justice Annual Report (2007); Lions Bay OCP; Fees and Charges
Amendment Bylaw (three readings); Permit Applications for 25th &
Marine (Capers) and 4768/4772 The Highway (Lower Caulfeild)
to be considered Feb 16; Correspondence including new model for
delivery of fire services, a tree-cutting application on Clovelly Walk
with an interesting perspective, WV projects for federal funding
support.
= Vive le Canada (Viva BC); US ELECTION from Robin
Williams's POV; ANIMALWATCH (pandas); from the EDITOR'S DESK
(Donations; HERITAGE nominations/Week)
= CALENDAR to Jan 31st -- AFAIK
= Ccl Mtg NOTES Jan 12th: 856 Anderson Cr; DVPs for
1350 Ottaburn and 610 11th St; Sponsorship/Partnership Policy
Amendment; Cmnty Ctr Qtrly Update; $6M Loan from MFA
for installation of water meters; Apptmts (WGs, Library); NSh
Substance Abuse WG Report; Correspondence discussion on Library
= Ccl Mtg AGENDA Jan 19th
= NEWSWATCH (Zimbabwe, Canada); WORDWATCH (cartocacoethes,
poodle-faker); LITERATUREWATCH (Rumpole; cell-phone novels);
Quotations and Riddle Answer
=== Vive le Canada ===
and Viva BC!
FRASER CANYON
Campaign prevented Americans from annexing the colony of British
Columbia -- Group re-enacts march that kept B. C.
Canadian
by MIKE YOUDS (pA17) The Vancouver Sun
17 Jan 2009 [from the Kamloops Daily News]
In the dimly lit depths of the lower Fraser Canyon on Sunday
morning, a small troop of men will file on foot through dense brush,
rocky foreshore and unbroken snow past Hill's Bar to Yale. As
members of the Royal Engineers Living History Group, they...
read more...
http://digital.vancouversun.com/epaper/viewer.aspx
=== [US]ELECTIONWATCH :-)
===
Robin Williams in England describing
the American election.
http://politicalirony.com/2008/11/30/robin-williams-on-obamas-election/
=== ANIMALWATCH ===
cute
Panda
Surprise (16 seconds):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzRH3iTQPrk
=== from the EDITOR'S DESK
===
* DONATIONS
Pls give to whatever organization you wish. Certainly we
all want destruction and suffering to stop, and be eased. Bishop
Michael Ingham (Christ Church Cathedral) sent a pastoral letter asking
for support for the Anglican Hospital in Gaza:
Diocese of New Westminster - Bishop asks
Diocese to support Anglican Hospital in Gaza ... Diocese of New
Westminster #580 - 401 West Georgia Street Vancouver, BC, V6B
5A1
The letter:
http://www.vancouver.anglican.ca/Home/tabid/161/Mode/ViewArticle/ArticleId/798/Default.aspx
* HERITAGE
HERITAGE ACHIEVEMENT AWARDS: 2009
Nominations (by Jan 23)
Info:
http://www.westvancouver.ca/Level3.aspx?id=1136 (Don't you just love
the URLs that DWV has!)
HERITAGE WEEK 2009
February 16 -
22 -- A Legacy of
Learning - the Heritage of Education
The 2009 Heritage Week poster
features Ridgeway Elementary School in the City of North
Vancouver.
In 2005, Ridgeway was at risk
of demolition because of costs for seismic upgrading. To save
their historic school, residents mobilized and formed the Ridgeway
Heritage Society. The City and School District #44 worked
willingly with the Society to find a solution. In 2008, Ridgeway
School was protected as part of a zoning bylaw amendment that involved
other school sites, bonus building density, and density
transfers.
The Ridgeway Elementary story
is now an inspiration for other B.C. communities to protect and keep
their irreplaceable heritage schools.
HERITAGE WEEK
PLANNING/EVENTS
Pls call 922 4400 with your ideas.
Tentative plans are for a panel of authors who've written books on WV;
also let us know if you'd like to participate in Heritage Fayre in
Park Royal (a chance to show what your cmnty group does --
volunteering in part of our heritage!).
=== CALENDAR to Jan
31st === [mtgs at M
Hall unless indicated otherwise]
= Thurs Jan 15th ~ 8:30am ~ Cmnty Engagement Cmte (CEC) --
CANCELLED
= Tues Jan 20th ~ 7:30pm ~
Western Residents' Assn Mtg at St Monica's Church
(Horseshoe Bay Roundabout)
BC Ferries and SeaBus get
$5.6 million security upgrade from Ottawa
The federal government has committed $5.6
million to improve security on B.C.'s sprawling coastal ferry system
and Vancouver's SeaBus commuter ferry service. Ferry terminals
in Nanaimo, Victoria and West Vancouver will
get the lion's share of the money . . . more
There will be a
presentation by Jason
Bowman,
Horseshoe Bay Terminal Director for BC Ferries,
with time for questions
afterwards as usual, and a raffle for free ferry
vouchers!
Around the
Bay: Update on some
new goings-on around the Bay
= Wed Jan 21st ~ 7pm ~
o
Bd of Variance at Hall
o
Library Bd AGM at Library
o Old Growth Conservancy AGM at Srs'
Activity Ctr (SAC)
The Old Growth Conservancy Society (OGCS)
brings together members of the environmental and recreational
communities for the protection of the 54-hectare Old Growth
Conservancy on Hollyburn Ridge. For more information email
parks@westvancouver.ca or call 925 7138.
= Thurs Jan 22nd
~
5:15pm ~ Measuring Up WG at Srs' Ctr
~
Wetland Partners at YAC
= Fri Jan 23rd
~
8:15am ~ 2010 Leadership Cmte
~ 4pm ~
tentative for Heritage Achievement Award
Selection Cmte mtg [925 7238 info]
~
4:30pm ~ Deadline for Heritage Achievement Award Nominations
= Mon Jan 26th ~ Deadline to reserve for WVCC breakfast
with Mayor (Jan 28, see details below)
= Tues Jan 27th ~ 7pm ~
* Community
Forum on Substance Misuse and Prevention at KMC
Learn from a panel
of experts how educators, parents, peers, health professionals, and
community members can work together to encourage the values, skills
and actions that foster healthy living in children and youth.
Presented by the West Vancouver School District.
Understanding
Adolescence: The Incredible Journey Community Forum #1: Substance
Misuse and Prevention
Presented with the
support of:
Vancouver Coastal Health; DWV; WVPD; WV Cmnty Fdn
* The WV
Streamkeeper Society
presents the Hon Barry Penner, BC Minister of the
Environment:
"Protecting
our Natural Environment on the North Shore"
A
dialogue on preserving aquatic habitats within the urban
setting
at Mulgrave School, 2330
Cypress Lane (take Exit 8 off Upper Levels); Free admission; donations
welcome
See
www.streamkeepers.westvan.org or call 604 628 1123
= Wed Jan 28th
afternoon: ~ 1:30pm ~
Arts/Cultural WG [check location]
before that, in the morning ~ 7:30am ~
WEST VANCOUVER CHAMBER OF
COMMERCE
Guest Speaker: Mayor Pamela Goldsmith-Jones
THE MAYOR'S ANNUAL REPORT ON THE STATE OF THE
DISTRICT
Join us as Mayor Pamela Goldsmith-Jones updates us on the latest
news from the District Hall and provides insight into some of the
major initiatives and projects now underway. With the
opening of the new community centre, a new council, and
the countdown leading up to 2010, the Mayor will definitely have
many exciting things to say. Last year this was a sell-out
breakfast, so please be sure to get your tickets early.
Sponsor:
West Vancouver Community Foundation
Where: Hollyburn Country
Club, 950 Crosscreek Rd., West Vancouver
Cost: $25.00 per member/non-members $35.00
RSVP INFO: We ask that you kindly pre-pay by the
deadline of 5pm Monday January 26, to ensure your breakfast and seat
are reserved. Please SIGN UP on our secure website
www.westvanchamber.com or call 926 6614.
= Thurs Jan 29th
~ 4pm ~ Heritage Achievement Award Selection Cmte
mtg
~
4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte CANCELLED
~
5pm ~ NSh Adv Cmte on Disability Issues at DNV M Hall
= Fri Jan 30th ~ Deadline for Community Grant
applications
[Details were in last
issue] See
http://www.westvancouver.ca/grants.aspx or call Leanne Sexsmith, Community Planner - Social
Services (925 7178) or Cathy Matheson, Office of Cultural Affairs and
Partnerships (925 7224).
= Wed Jan 28 and Fri Jan 30 = Jeff Halper, Israeli Peace
Activist, Cross-Canada Speaking Tour
"Ghettoizing Palestine -- Massacring
Gaza"
~ 7pm ~ Wed Jan 28 ~ Unitarian Church, 49th & Oak
~ 5pm ~ Fri Jan 30 ~ UBC, Irving K Barber Learning Ctr (Main
Library) Room 182
[For further info: Sid
Shniad, 604-314-5589, shniad@sfu.ca]
+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY
+++ See: http://www.westvanlib.org/
* Philosopher's Cafe Thursday, January 22,
10:30am - 12:30 pm, Elizabeth Musto Room. This month's topic: Pets -
When is it healthy to have a pet as your best or closest friend?
Admission: $5
* Friday Jan 23,
30: English Corner 10 - 11:30am practise English conversation in the
Elizabeth Musto Room.
* Friday
Night Concert Series Presents: Tangos and all that Jazz! ~ 7:30pm ~ January 30
Listen to the sounds of the Saxalamode Sax
quartet as they perform Tangos by Astor Piazzolla and your favourite
Jazz tunes from Duke Ellington to Count Basie to Charlie
Mingus.
Saxalamode is Colin Maskell,
Victor Guy, Kevin Shan and Bruce Norris. Seating is limited so
come early - doors open at 7 pm. This concert is funded by the
generous bequest of Robert Leslie Welsh.
+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY
+++
EXHIBITIONS
=== January 6 - 18 --
A WHIMSICAL INTERPRETATION
Features work by Luciana
Alvarez, Graham Eagle, Lynsey Paterson, Carol Shumas, Bettina
Wiedemann
=== January 20 - February 4
What the
Camera
Sees:
Colour and Black
& White Photography
*** Jan 8 to Mar 8 in DWV's M Hall's Lobby: Paintings by
Jill Royall
Royall works with images from the visible world transformed
through the action of imagination on colour and form, to create
autonomous paintings on canvas that offer their discovery to
viewers.*
+++ SILK PURSE +++
www.silkpurse.ca ***
January 20 - February 1 ***
"About Face"
Good portraiture reflects
the spirit and vibrancy within a person, reflecting life, emotion, and
a sense of immediacy. People are the heart & common denominator of
the exhibition featuring five renowned Lower Mainland portrait
artists: Oland Joseph
Dupuis, Debra Kennedy, Richard Alan Kent, K.
Peter Burnet,
and Sandrine
Pelissier.
Opening
Reception: TUESDAY January 20th from 6 - 8 pm
+++ WV MUSEUM
+++ Visit:
http://www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com/
The Prints of Alistair
Bell to February
7, 2009
Artist Talk on Saturday January 24, 1:30-3pm
Guest Artist: Wayne Eastcott
Printmaking in B.C. began to flourish in the mid-twentieth
century with leading artists and art educators, such as
F.H. Varley, J.W.G Macdonald, and Charles Scott influencing the
next generation of artists. Wayne Eastcott, renowned printmaker and
instructor, will give an illustrative presentation of the development
of printmaking in B.C. and will profile contemporary artists who use
innovative new techniques in their work.
Wayne Eastcott
Wayne Eastcott graduated from the Vancouver School of Art in 1966
and was one of the very few artists at that time who was actively
involved in printmaking. [After] receiving a Canada Council Grant in
1968 for exploration in new printmaking techniques, in particular the
Xerox technique, he actively engaged in working with Xerox Corporation
in Rochester, New York and Fuji-Xerox in Tokyo, Japan. In 1971,
Wayne met B.C. Binning who established the Dundarave Print Workshop in
West Vancouver (which is now operating on Granville Island)
and became one of its founding members. Just after
graduating, Wayne returned to the Vancouver School of Art to teach
drawing, painting, and printmaking and in 1979 he joined the art
faculty of Capilano College (now Capilano University). Wayne's
ground-breaking exhibition at the Kabutoya Gallery in Japan
in 1979 was highly successful, and he has earned a reputation as an
outstanding artist, teacher, and mentor since then. Wayne has
exhibited widely both in Canada and abroad, including the recent
exhibitions in the Faulun Triennial in Sweden and Printmaking at the
Edge in Korea.
+++ KAY MEEK CENTRE
+++
To see a list of events:
http://kaymeekcentre.com/on_stage/events_calendar
To see the electronic newsletter, the address is
http://kaymeekcentre.weebly.com. Getting onto the mail list: the
simplest method is to call the box office (604 913 3634) or email
tickets@kaymeekcentre.com
+++ ROYAL CANADIAN LEGION
BRANCH 60, WEST VANCOUVER
To view the latest newsletter, just
click the following link for direct access:
http://www.westvan60.com/Images/The%20Torch%20Newsletter%20-%20Winter%202008.pdf
=== Ccl Mtg NOTES Jan
12th ===
Announcement of appointment of Anne Mooi as Acting Dept
Director of Parks
[We wish her all the best. Her background in Australia and
NV was given; I asked for a copy of remarks but not received
yet.]
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
Amended: adding report, withdrawing Item 10, adding
Correspondence 26.1
THEN
[I also requested a copy of this; well put but was told something
approximate wd be on the DWV website.]
Mayor: Statement re Snow
difficulty to get to priority roads; garbage think caught up
tomorrow
snowfall $270K a bit short last year, but usually more, expecting
$1M over but think will be covered by contingencies
still probs in Brit Props; waiving limits on garbage
[from] criticism learning
responding to extreme wind, storms, snow new
checked on seniors, cared for nbrs
Mayor: something new: three minutes for public and five minutes
for cclrs
time where?
SSch [indicated]
Mayor: discipline
REPORTS [7:09]
Mayor: Mgr of Bylaws will give background
Liz Holitzki: bringing back b/c owner asked for reconsideration
of decision Dec 15.
excavation following demolition of house on site (listed required
actions, given 15 days to comply or to ask for reconsideration;
staff's recommendation is to reconfirm requirements)
[slides of site, slope down 25 to 30ft, gas line exposed,
steepness, nbr's stairs can't be used -- total exposure of stairs of
866]
Sop: when a permit is issued for demolition, owner/contractor not
have to be aware of property lines?
LH: survey to be done
Sop: was it?
LH: yes
Mayor: one mbr of Ccl to speak and Mr Garrow
Staff: perhaps shd hear from the public first
Pam Price: I live in Vancouver, this is my mother's house and my
son is living in the house
staff? said demolition permit same as excavation -- nowhere can I
find same (dictionary, etc)
if he had a demolition permit he thought he had an
excavation
[lists]
pt 3: did his excavation despite demolition permit on hold
did he have gas permit?
according to
[BUZZZ!]
Mayor: apologize
PP:...ten days...all underground
bylaw 9.2 ... notwithstanding ... the owner must provide
professional design, review ....
for geotechnical components
does the Horizons Company have ... prof insurance?
[..... angle .... geotech]
to ensure safety and this is more than a 45% angle, more a
cliff
presumably Mr Garrow signed....
advised my ...[builder?]
did he actually tell his engineers?
a huge bin was placed; blocking access to the land; in case
emergency vehicles need access; none b/c big bin there
demolish house and remove all the trees -- was .... removal of
trees?
when owner of 866, that's me, .....
vehicle 856 no other way of leaving except by trespassing
keep more watch on construction
blocked by bin
what did Phil Garrow tell his workers
what was the plan?
what plan did he have?
I spent two hours cleaning up the litter
Phil Garrow: I reside in WV; am property owner
with a view to time, brief statement of facts, history, and
reasons for dispute
excavation did not occur on the site within the bldg bylaw
responsibility of 856 Anderson to supply support to 866
Demolition permit Sept 8 2008 expiry Oct 8
wrt excavation; I was away for seven weeks, to Jan
reference to Horizons ...
related to a sediment control
new sgl-fam house dwelling .... in Oct; new dwelling and then
follow with Horizons; soil removed
signif debris and demolition did transpire evidenced by the
pictures, resulted b/c a berm dry-stack wall that extended beyond --
circled around M prop
those rocks were there to provide support to +/- 15ft; 9ft drop
on stair side/east side
allowance for joists
loose concrete buried beneath the slabs
to complete demolition Horizons...
their report identifies that clearly -- berm rockwall that
existed plus the cutline
dead trees, loose .....
existing house floor was 12 - 14ft below the finished grade
tapering to 3 - 4ft .....
entirely supported by the pictures you just saw
speaking of bldg footprints, if you're going to demolish, going
to be 18in over
re excavation, the ... operator said the bylaw ofcr
beyond demolition permit
concrete slabs still there, acknowledged demolition
856 Anderson to provide support to 866
on file with Bldg Permit; general sloping to the east, natural
topography from 856 to 866
866 stairs were build historically above grade; above on west
side
as a result, at some point a berm rock wall was created 4 to 6ft
+/-
improvement was removed as part of the demolition permit
apologize, my lawyer cdn't attend b/c had to attend another mtg
this evening
if requirement to quote ...... his name is Jonathan Baker
support to natural grade not improved grade
866 for some time had the benefit of a xxxxxxxx
that benefit no longer..... to 866
under Permit and conditions of permit itself; no special
circumstance providing lateral support
dispute not meant to be highhanded; meant for zzzzzzzz
required for the clearing of the land
proposed under ...... submitted Oct 8
to accept responsibility for carrying out -- as I ... in my email
when I was away
if and when stop work order is removed, I stand ready re safety;
measures and make sure as safe as possible, however in item 5 of Ccl's
resolution wd be to cast aside my responsibilities... case law
my resp to rebuild an improvement
obtained by way of a benefit
used prior to demolition of 856 wd not be acceptable in current
code
wd be nonconforming and require approval of Bd of Variance
a number of issues raised by Pamela Price
jotted down as she spoke...
ME: what was the setback?
PG: was nonconforming, and ...
clearly showed that the bldg was nonconforming wch explains why
cutlines had to be made
and clearly
reference to gas line
at its minimum, a skew of a lot, just under a foot and a half
from the prop line
have to allow, 18 inches for footings
ME: not talking about footings
PG: but from a survey ... 18 inches over on either
side then you're ....
Sop moved: THAT the report from the Acting Manager of Permits and
Inspections/Bylaws be received for information.
AND will affirm ... by January 30
[Seconded by MS]
Sop: sometimes we get into...
the issue here is safety and that's what it's all about
we're saying remediation is about safety based on report from
Horizons
MS: as usual Cclr Sop has said brilliantly what I wd hv
said.
CARRIED [7:39]
At the December 15, 2008 meeting, Council received the
report dated December 5, 2008 from the Community
Planner.
Sokol: this is M-owned prop [slide with drawing of lot, just
above Upper Levels Hwy near 15th and Cross Creek]; access
Ottaburn
DVP needed to reduce width 80ft to 60ft; driveway access
resulting in irregular bldg envelope so variance re bldg, pool/deck
area
ME: you've said if the DVP lapses then null and void
Sokol: two years standard
ME: we're creating two lots so presumably in perpetuity
Sokol: wrt to ... wd lapse
ME: so same process in two years; find it odd; why not on a
permanent basis?
Sokol: covenant wd be in perpetuity ....
Sop: somebody who buys may want to change; whoever will come to
us
Mayor: intention to make as desirable as possible
Sokol: once this is sold, wd be owner's resp to have this
extended or changed
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
none
MS moved: THAT all written and verbal submissions ... be
received for information.
and THAT DVP Application No. 08-044 for 1350 Ottaburn Road, which would provide for a subdivision
creating two lots with a variance to the minimum site width
requirement for proposed Lot 2 and a variation to the front yard
requirement on proposed Lot 1, be
approved.
CARRIED [7:46]
At the December 8, 2008 meeting, Council received the report
dated November 27, 2008 from the Community Planner
Sokol: [slide of Duchess at 11th]
Zoning bylaw requires two setbacks, 25ft resulting in 22ft bldg
so requires DVP
lane; proposal has house facing onto Duchess
on slide, C shows bldg envelope, D shows house beforehand and A
is proposed bldg footprint
meets setback from nbr on Duchess and on 11th, variance required
......
access from lane
reason applicant applying and staff think good idea; house wd hv
to be moved up the slope
if garage sep structure next to lane also blocking views;
therefore what's being proposed is better
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
Diana Seehagen: representing my mother who is elderly and not
able to be present tonight
two concerns: soil erosion and public safety, have circulated
photos to Ccl
with no permit in place soil had been excavated that began to
fill with water and no fence in place
raised with DWV within days, it was months before fence
kids and dogs; hole next to where without permit; equal concern
for Mrs Seehagen
snowfall and now snowmelt
can't find any permit for.. drop off
we submit that until plans ...... commercial
engineer. ....
that DVP be deferred: the big concern today is there there is no
fence, amazed that a child or a dog has not fallen in
R Sabhi [sp?]: designer of the house
wrt the fence we need a permit for a fence, asked for a permit
and they agreed
Mayor: anything further? Next is
Doug Hammond: we reside at 1084 Duchess, prop immediately to the
south
house wd affect us in two ways .........
parking directly across from our home, basically our front
door
we've resided in that home for seven years and prior to that
lived in prop next for five or six years
fam with how nbrhd operates
we received notice of DVP on Wed on return from Christmas
vacation; got ..... material
a lot of good things about this application; to go forward
some to ...... not had an opportunity
not had to speak to all our nbrs, talked to some
not had an opp to speak with the builder
began a year ago demolition a couple of months after that and
demolition flowed into excavation
tried to talk to builder; wd like opp to talk to builder -- if
this application is as good as it gets of ....
frankly wd like to speak, then come to Ccl and say; ask to defer
then come back and talk
Sop: Mr Sokol, the permit was given for demolition?
Sokol: yes
Sop: and permit for excavation?
Sokol: there was a basement
...
[laughter in gallery]
Sop: based on safety of prop; 610 considered unsafe?
Sokol: fence; concern took too long to be put up
not a fence along the prop line with nbr, thick shrub; applicant
this evening said he wd put up a fence
Sop: is there no ...
Sokol: I have only been to the site once and not able to make
...
the other had an engg report ...
Sop: wd it require a report?
Mayor: right now, receiving report for information
ML: talk of a retaining wall, wd that be on the
permit?
fencing temporary?
Sokol: yes, fencing temporary along ROWs; not sure of retaining
wall, to hold up that side; clearly intent of applicant, once approved
able to ...
ML: that wd be part of the bldg plan process?
ME moved: THAT all written and verbal submissions ... be received
for information.
CARRIED
Mayor: Cclr Evison, up to you further report or approval
ME: I wd
Mayor: prefer to have motion on the floor for Ccl to
discuss
ME: you prefer the second?
THAT Staff report back to Council regarding submissions
received
looked at it differently than staff
application itself drawings poor as they relate to the
street
in fact in your application you state the grade change is
3.5%, in fact I believe that is wrong and it shd be 35%; it's
18ft, 148- xxxx a grade change of 6ft or so; you'll find your
calculation is incorrect
won't work b/c M doesn't allow grade change of more than
20%
also concerned about relationship between house and
nbrhd
160 to 170ft wch faces 11th and Duchess; to accept a grass blvd
not ... to nbrhd
we have a boulevard bylaw, says what you can't do, but sadly
doesn't say what you can do
wd like to see a landscape blvd plan,...... large
house, technically monster house, ......
Mayor: may I ask that you direct your comments to me as the
Chair
ME:...
attempt to make some of our bldgs a bit more friendly to the
nbrhd
the suggestion by staff there be a $3K deposit for remedial
work on the blvd is just inadequate
TP: my comments in light of the Nbrhd Character WG as we replace
these older homes with new ones.
to follow up with Cclr Evison about .....
understanding of course that older houses
grass certainly an improvement over asphalt ...landscaping
itself
Sop: interesting how we try to rewrite the bylaws
one thing that struck me as no massive overhangs over the
balconies
positive note staff recommendation that the garage be put off
Duchess rather than off the lane
putting house in centre rather ....
sideyards pervious so don't have massive concrete; let's keep
it void of blacktop
going underground makes a lot of sense
Some of these things staff make decisions good law .....
this has been thought out and presented recently
my concern is the time lapse, what is the safety issue for the
nbr to the north
construction of the house will start sometime in the near
future
have some safety concerns but no others at all
Mayor: if we're debating a further report, say what
blvd deposit a standard amt?
Sokol: yes; if landscaping, then wd go up; $3K the
asphalt
Mayor: time for consultation with the nbrs
certainly the house conforms and ...
more, really just Duchess; is that enough for the substance of a
report?
Sokol: can look into elevations; perhaps more direction from
Ccl re nbrs; earliest Feb 2nd
Mayor: then call the question:
CARRIED [8:13]
Cathy Matheson (staff):
RECOMMENDED: THAT the amendment, as
follows, to the Sponsorship and Partnership Policy be
adopted:
"New and existing facilities may be considered for naming
but only if the financial contribution is significant and
in-line with current market values;" and
"The granting of
naming privileges must not result in additional costs to the District
of West Vancouver other than those costs born through securing the
naming rights;" and
"Agreements for naming
privileges shall be for a fixed term, typically 10 to 20 years, but in
any event shall not exceed the life of the asset. No agreements will
be contemplated that carry the expectation of open-ended or perpetual
time frames."
{My thought-bubble -- who
defines 'significant'? Not answered and I
didn't get up and ask}
Sop: for clarification, wrt WV's wordmark -- use?
CM: v strict rules re WV wordmark; must be submitted through
Communications Dept and Ms Leslie signs off on that
Sop: wd all monies be entrusted to WV before commencement, in
trust, before right to give name
CM: any opportunities wd come by way of a specific report to
Ccl, any ancillary namings wd also be laid out
Sop: if naming rights wd that money be in trust prior? per
year? what if company goes bankrupt?
CAO: ideally prior but may be a tax issue; negotiated; up to
Ccl, wd try to get it upfront
Sop: certainly wd encourage, laying out a framework
CARRIED [8:18]
CAO: costs to end of Sept; this is our ninth
[thought wd go over] 2.5% or approx; at present about 2.2%;
these are gross projections
any overage is covered by one third by VHealth
during this: budget first, quality second, and time
third
... turn over to Josie Chuback and Basil Davis
JC: exciting time, challenges but working through them
to end of Sept; will be another quarterly report at your first
mtg in Feb
turn over to Basil Davis, next steps and timing
BD: construction costs first,
set in 2005; from a cost point of view, tried to give projection
of 2.5% last June and still holding to that ...
shuffling around of costs, some tighten up and some let you
down
next few weeks.....
Dec figures will be within weeks of final....
change orders, any moving around may take months, from my
experience, I've had projects a year .... this has not been a
particularly contentious....
biggest headache, the actual industry, area of labour; this
will improve over the next few months
still a lot ..... come in in short order
not
good loyalty in some of the trades
even got some come down between Christmas and New Years, eight or
nine guys...
got 80, probably need/needed 100
now going into completion phase; got about 15 trades and all seem
to be working in the same space
some room, three or four working on top of each other, tempers
flying
pressure on everyone to complete
from a cost point of view one reconciliations being done, hope by
end of Dec more; percentage of overrun
as far as the actual completion of the project we're in the
order of weeks away
we're trying to get the staff into the bldg first
training a.... in an efficient manner
specifically those in gymnastics; ppl working with that
equipment
come Jan and Feb working to finish off what we need, training
period
need an occupancy permit; suddenly problems happen
still have a list of things that have to be completed
half a dozen to ten a day, things added to the bottom
our co-consultant, submitted it to the District for review, going
by that, literally in the last couple of months consultant wrt fire
stopping of all the various trades, found a competent person I've
worked on [another project with?] and with his hawk eyes found ...
things the other didn't
these are hiccups that come through
some we can handle on a reasonably short time basis
with next report in a couple of weeks shd be in ... wrt
dates
that was schedule and costs, from the quality point of view have
not been cutting into the muscle, original reductions
decisions made well down the way
when we get a pushback from any trade, going to cost $5, $10K
extra we go out and find a smaller trade, to keep on schedule; ripoff
season been v ...
here in the Dist priorities set best way -- No 3 ... going to get
a good product
for those new to the Ccl, included.... Olympics and what they've
been going through; hope in month's time
Sop: statement last portion, overage 2.5% or under; is it a
reasonable expectation not require add'l funds?
BD: some things we've had to do for convenience or tenants coming
in
if we, the construction folk, have ... to do a scope of work...
do something on behalf of centre
example, wellness ctr coming in one of the doctors willing to
put in his own washrooms
under floor ... Coastal Health ... wanted a permit,
ceiling,
and here wd hv bn this fellow coming back months later poking
holes; we did, and he'll reimburse
coffee
I'd like to feel comfortable 2.5% not pie in the sky
Sop: wd it be presumptuous of me to ask date of
completion?
[Hmpf]
Mayor: ask CAO
CAO: tenth qtrly report on Feb 2; be much further ahead
Mayor:
ML: how many change orders have there been on this?
BD: 572; the bldg is a complicated bldg
when you walk through it, there's a lot of asymmetry built in, a
lot of appeal ...
a lot hate the exterior
someone who does not ... distracting ... looking like a warehouse
.... the moment ....
trades, not meeting at corners
a lot of 572 clarifications, cleanups, ...
contention consultants, fix this, fix that; can't start fighting
with consultants
MS: tread carefully; disappointing figs for end of
Sept
shd have end of Dec today; why looking at a report four months
[ago]
BD: end of Dec, end of Jan
MS: but by contract
BD: have to be reviewed
MS: what I'm seeing today is that ppl are getting their invoices
out pretty quickly
$2.4M now $3.8M are we continuing to pay ...?
BD: cut off fees in Nov; not getting any fees; so extremely
interested in finishing...
general conditions....
MS: going to get a magnificent bldg
charged with squeezing every tax dollar, how this project and
others, Western Rec Ctr
how we execute....
going to cost nearly $500 a sq ft I've been told far higher
than some bldgs, schools, come in [much less]
not to point fingers, a learning experience ...
Mayor: wd you like to respond about cost per sq ft
BD:....
probably going to be $350 to $400, probly about same as
educational bldgs at UBC (not housing)
in Vancouver, extraordinary over water
most of the bldgs going up, govtal use, are in the order of
$350
Mayor: certainly our qtrly reporting part of our [process?]
CAO: will be presenting that to Ccl this week
Mayor: that will be public as well I presume.
{I asked after the mtg when that public mtg wd be but got
no answer}
MS moved: THAT the report dated December 18, 2008 from the
Director of Olympic Services & Projects be received for
information.
Mayor: reflecting up to Sept 2008, add that
[MS added to Sept 30]
CARRIED [8:43]
Mayor: and we look forward to the final report on Feb 2
Raymond Fung: decline in income and provided warning; staff felt
compelled to clarify
while revenues have gone down, b/c of the way the prog runs on
NSh, collect only highly valuable b/c way, highly sorted; rumours not
true, won't cut back; continue to support; diversion up to
70%; increase the penetration rate
Mayor: thank you for participation with Sch Dist
going up to Rockridge amazed not recycling as well as they cd;
...
certainly NSh best record, tackling organics and woodwaste also
significant; not just plastic bags, all kinds
will push to do more; cmnty ctr will be a flagship of zero
waste
ME moved; THAT the report dated December 16, 2008 be received for
information.
CARRIED [8:46]
ML: in Dec pleasure of introducing sewer bylaw so this is a step
up
RECOMMENDED: THAT Council approves borrowing from the
Municipal Finance Authority of British Columbia, as part of their 2009
spring issue, $6,000,000 as authorized through Loan Authorization
Bylaw No. 4407, 2004 (a bylaw to authorize borrowing for the
acquisition and installation of water meters) and that the Greater
Vancouver Regional District be requested to consent to our borrowing
over a [15-year term] and include the borrowing in their security
issuing bylaw.
MS: can I ask Mr Fung to contact counterpart in NV; said cdn't
possibly have a biz case for installing
Mr Fung might be curious, how he does his vs how we do
ours
RF: NV has been in various; plsed to share so they can learn
from our experience
ME: $6M at what rate? variable?
RL: fixed rate but don't know until they go to the market, under
6%; will be fixed for entire 15 years
ME: initially $7.5M [?] now down to $6M [?] cd be less than
forecasting?
RL ...$6.8M now only $6M
don't anticipate will go lower than now
residents had option to pay in full therefore avoiding cost .....
that further reduced the amt we had to borrow
CARRIED [8:50]
10. Establishment of Community Grants Cmte (File: 0115-01)
Info to be provided. WITHDRAWN
11. Appointments (File: 0115-01/0117-01)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the following appointments for 2009 be
approved:
Arts & Cultural Facilities Working Group: Councillor
Evison
Childcare Services Working Group: Councillor
Smith
Measuring Up Working Group: Councillor
Soprovich.
RECOMMENDED: THAT the following appointments to the North Shore
Family Court and Youth Justice Committee and the West Vancouver
Memorial Library Board be approved:
North Shore Family Court and Youth Justice Committee [to 2009 Dec
31]:
Jill [Wiersma] be appointed as a Member at
Large;
Diane Bryden and Norm Brown be re-appointed as Members at
Large
Pejman Pirgheibi be appointed to the Professional Category
of the Committee; and
Andrew Van Eden, Mary-Ann Booth, Alana Abramson, Clark
Chu, Constable Marlene Morton, and Constable Jeff Palmer be
re-appointed to the Professional Category of the
Committee.
West Vancouver Memorial Library Board:
Marcia Bergen, Kirsty Farquharson, Rosalind Foucault,
Harry Greenwood, Ann Hamilton, Sherry Parrott, and Fanny Patterson be
re-appointed for a [two-year term] expiring December 31,
2010.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
12. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and
Correspondence
MAYOR: so [withdraw] 13 and 1 and 2
REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated December 16, 2008 be received
for information.
Sop: what are we going to envision? embark on a WG or something
in connection with schools or?
Mayor: in general sense
biggest achievement, connection with the Health Authority, was
nonexistent five years ago
... we've done that ... as a result so has Sch Dist...
perhaps Ms Mooi can comment
AM: for the past years been working with the School
[reading from report]
together to look at substance abuse all three partners
opportunity to look at all three fantastic
cmnty forums over 2009 year; first forum is on Jan 27 at
KMC
{see Calendar above}
support cmnty-based agencies, eg West Coast Alternative
Society
outreach services -- Ambleside Youth Ctr, xxxxxx
we work as much as possible with organizations across xxxx
Mayor: rewritten curriculum to replace DARE...
AM:
Mayor: WVPD wrt drug-dealing
those two bodies working together; safe from one another; their
resources now go further
existing can deliver broader and cheaper
outstanding reps from .... met with... last week
wonderful environment made a mark; there's a lot to come
Sop: knew we were in the forefront
cmnty forums and what comes out do dispense statistics ways
and means to solve some problems
come by way of grassroots WG of parents who fully understand
makeup of chn
until we get to that level of action, we'll float along
how is it disseminated, go to forum and listen, talk about it,
not action of their own; another year goes
social endeavour; form a working group of citizens 15 or 20 meet
with staff and Police Dept; go and get at this, make it more
meaningful than in past
Mayor: we'll be at Jan 29 forum
{think she means 27th}
cd be .... certainly I've heard also, as you have, parents
willing to get ...... org by end of Jan
9pm
CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR CONSENT AGENDA
14. Correspondence List (File: 0120 24)
{full list in last WVM issue}
(1) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes
(a) West Vancouver Memorial Library Board - November 19,
2008
ME: is the Foundation free-standing so ...?
Mayor: two Bd mbrs; but they are separate
ME: they're hiring an event coordinator
SW: b/c I chaired the croquet last year, the major Fdn
desired to hire; got help at end, this time at beginning
ME: Board re LEED certification for Library -- I understand what
LEED is but
SW: part of
initiative across Canada, public bldgs in general starting to
adhere to
ME: a bit strange, contract with .... writing re LEED
surely we have staff responsible for broad base
a bit strange Library Bd own xxxx
Mayor: important Library Bd a separate body, separate
legislation; do have a right to do this
Library won the Envtl Award last year, Cclr Panz
they're leading us; efficient Library is.... ; this is
fantastic
RF: our Engg Division has expertise in a number of areas,
roads and utilities.
however our complement does not include mechanical or
structural engrs
those services are contracted out
Mayor: thanks to Cclr Walker for .. croquet last year, the most
successful ever
9:05
MS: hot on the carbon tax; 1% lives in WV so $300K;
deadline Jan 16
planted along Marine Dr; Cclr Panz; get a letter in ... MLAs
... get our [share?]
Mayor: been incredibly successful on our partnership with
Kiwanis
Tribute to trees
just win-win; pay attention to that as well
15. REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS
Sop: met with NV; new enjoyed it as I did; workshop
ME: I represented [at mtg]
Stockwell Day ... benefit of TransLink $106M; some benefit to WV
but....
Mayor: thank you v much for going on my behalf
9:08
16. PUBLIC QUESTIONS/COMMENTS
Max Nikpay: here on behalf on a group of our mbrs BPAHA
first on snow removal; received number of calls
City has limited capability for removing snow; since stretches
toward Rodgers Creek, more snow
any budget for purchasing more trucks snowplows for
future?
RF: in event ie snowplowing or flood control, District does not
budget for extreme events
as you mentioned recently... only recent years exceeded
that
given climate change, not quite sure
as you mentioned, look to cover those overages from previous
years' overages
if more prevalent, perhaps with Olympics in 2010, we may consider
[more/higher?]; up to now not budgeted for extremes
MN: second, electricity; in older part
health, security, heat; sometimes wire lines break, trees fall
over them
lady called me she had to sit in car with heat turned on b/c no
heat in house
RF: undergrounding of overhead wires v expensive, able to do
it in newer but in older [nbrhds] v expensive; residents can do
through petition and cost-sharing, but up to now been
cost-prohibitive
recent snow a lesson, recognize a certain segment iof our cmnty
more at risk, shut-ins, for example.
while our crews worked all out to plow out snow
cd have.... to address ... needs; we cd hv coordinated that a bit
more
other ... external agencies
wd like to do more coordination and communication
17. ADJOURNMENT [9:13]
=== Ccl Mtg AGENDA Jan
19th ===
1. APPROVAL OF AGENDA
2. ADOPTION OF MINUTES
DELEGATIONS
REPORTS
RECOMMENDED:
THAT Council direct staff to submit the comment
letter (Appendix A) attached to the January 6, 2009 report from the
Director of Planning, Lands and Permits regarding Comments on the
Lions Bay OCP Bylaw.
BYLAWS
RECOMMENDED: be read a first, second, and third
time.
CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
7. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and
Correspondence
REPORTS FOR CONSENT AGENDA
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. The Municipal Clerk give notice that the DPA
for 2490-2496 Marine Drive which provides for internal and external
tenant improvements to an existing building will be considered
at the meeting of Council on Monday, February 16,
2009;
2. The notification for the DPA be expanded,
beyond the 100 m set out in the Devt Procedures Bylaw, to include all
owners and occupiers within the area shown on the map attached as
Appendix B to the report dated January 9, 2009 regarding the DPA;
and
3. At the February 16, 2009 consideration of the
DPA (attached as Appendix C to the report dated January 9, 2009
regarding the DPA for 2490-2496 Marine Drive), the DPA be considered
with the added provision that ingress/egress from the lane be
provided at least six consecutive hours each day, with the specific
hours identified by the applicant based on the best business operating
practices, and that additional signage accompany this
ingress/egress.
RECOMMENDED:
THAT the Municipal Clerk give
notice that the APA which provides for a lot line adjustment
between the two existing properties will be considered at the
meeting of Council on Monday, February 16, 2009.
CORRESPONDENCE LIST FOR CONSENT AGENDA
10. Correspondence List
(File: 0120 24)
Requests for Delegation -- No items
presented.
Action Required
1. January 6,
2009, regarding Snow Removal
Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for
consideration and response.
2. January 7,
2009, regarding Street Lights on Marine Drive between 11th and 13th
Street
Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for
consideration and response.
3. G. MacIsaac,
Union of British Columbia Municipalities, December 18, 2008, regarding
Report on New Model for Delivery of Fire
Services
Referred to Fire Chief for consideration and
response.
4. January 8,
2009, regarding Tree Cutting Application on Clovelly
Walk
Referred to Acting Director of Parks/Community Services for
consideration and response.
No Action Required (receipt only)
5. January 5,
2009, regarding Snow Removal and Seniors
6. R. Hobson,
Union of British Columbia Municipalities, January 5, 2009, regarding
Trust Fund for Sparwood Avalanche Victims
7. Mayor R.
Drew, Lower Mainland Treaty Advisory Committee (LMTAC), January 5,
2009, regarding LMTAC Interests and Common Table
Negotiation
8. Union of
British Columbia Municipalities Secretariat, January 9, 2009,
regarding Response from the Solicitor General to the Canadian
Association of Home and Property
Inspectors
9. 2009/2010
Federal Budget Submission:
Responses to Correspondence --
No items presented.
Responses to Questions in
Question Period -- No items
presented.
11. REPORTS from MAYOR/CCLRS 12. PUBLIC
QUESTIONS/COMMENTS 13. ADJOURNMENT
=== NEWSWATCH ===
= ZIMBABWE
Last week issued new
bank notes - the $10, $20, $50 and $100 trillion dollar notes.
Something we'll be seeing in America within a couple of years
likely.
= CANADA
A sticky ending for the
tar sands / Jan
15th 2009 | CALGARY From The Economist
A boom based on
extracting oil from tar sands turns bad
LOOK west from the office towers
of the energy companies that dominate Calgary, and the view is
spectacular: rolling prairies rise to tree-clad foothills, with the
jagged, snow-capped peaks of the Rockies on the horizon. Looking down,
however, is more unsettling. The city is dotted with motionless
construction cranes poised over the pits of abandoned projects. A
five-year energy boom here in the administrative heart of Canada's
oil patch and in the tar sands far to the north has ended. The only
debate is how painful and persistent the bust will be-not just for
the biggest city in Canada's richest province, Alberta, but for the
whole country.
The rest:
http://www.economist.com/world/americas/displayStory.cfm?story_id=12932252&fsrc=nwlptwfree
=== WORDWATCH ===
1
The Obama Buzzword* That Hit Pay Dirt:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/01/07/AR2009010703662.html
2
CARTOCACOETHES
Grant Barrett's Double-Tongued Dictionary (go via
http://wwwords.org?DTWW) brought this nonce or neologistic word to
wider notice this week. It was coined by John Krygier on his Making
Maps blog last October. It's an uncontrollable urge, compulsion or
itch to see maps everywhere, a specific example of what has been
called apophenia, our very human tendency to see patterns in random or
meaningless data. "Cartocacoethes" is formed from
"cartography" (French "carte", a card or chart),
the drawing or study of maps, plus "cacoethes", an urge or
incurable passion to do something, often inadvisable (from a classical
Greek word that means a bad habit). What provoked the word was a
report that a supposed map of =C7atalh=F6y=FCk of 6200 BC probably
wasn't a map at all.
3.
POODLE-FAKER
[from Michael Quinion's World Wide Words] Weird Words:
Poodle-faker
-------------------------------------------------------------------
A man who habitually chooses to socialise with women.
It's long-outmoded British army slang. A
poodle-faker was a young officer who was disparagingly considered by
fellow officers to be pretending to the role of a lapdog through being
over-attentive to women. To suggest that he was a gigolo, as some have
done, would be to go too far, though a ladies' man he certainly
was.
Somehow, perhaps because I've come
across it several times in books about the British Raj in India, I
associate "poodle-faker" and its relatives with hanky-panky
in the hill stations to which British officers and their wives retired
in summer to escape the heat of the plains. In several supposed
memoirs, George Macdonald Fraser put it into the mouth of that
erstwhile bully of Rugby, Harry Flashman, here in its verb form in
Flashman in the Great Game:
However withered an old trot she might be, she'd be
an odd
female if she was altogether impervious to Flashy's
manly
bearing and cavalry whiskers. ... Still, as I
turned in that
night I wasn't absolutely looking forward to
poodle-faking
her in two days' time.
However, the word is recorded only from the start of the
twentieth century. One of the better-known examples is in George
Orwell's Burmese Days (1935): "As for social duties of all
descriptions, he called them poodle-faking and ignored them. Women he
abhorred. In his view they were a kind of siren whose one aim was to
lure men away from polo and enmesh them in tea-fights and
tennis-parties."
Despite the assertion in dictionaries
that it's a dated Britishism, it continues to appear in books and
newspapers. Boris Johnson,** at the time a British MP and newspaper
columnist but these days Mayor of London, wrote in the Daily Telegraph
in October 2003 about Tony Blair: "How dare this mincing
poodle-faker stand up and start confiding to the nation about his
emotional journey of the past six years." It has a salaciously
nudge-nudge, wink-wink penumbra that usefully implies more than it
delivers.
"Poodle", of course, has been
used opprobriously for a lickspittle or lackey, an obsequious
follower, a term that also dates from the beginning of the twentieth
century. The poor old poodle has had a bad press because of its role
as a cosseted appurtenance in ladies' boudoirs, though when allowed to
be itself in high-stepping and unclipped confidence the standard
poodle is an intelligent and companionable animal.
....................................................................................
* it's shovel-ready -- now heard used by Rex Murphy and
some Cdn cabinet ministers
** I predict Boris Johnson will go far; illustrious past,
impish sense of humour and fun
=== LITERATUREWATCH
===
o> Sir John Mortimer, creator of feisty lawyer
Rumpole of the Bailey, who has died.
http://www.penguin.co.uk/nf/Author/AuthorPage/0,,1000023047,00.html?sym=MIS
Sir John Clifford
Mortimer, CBE
QC (21 April 1923 - 16
January 2009[1]) was
an English
barrister, dramatist, screenwriter, and author.
o> Cell-phone Novels in Japan:
http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/12/22/081222fa_fact_goodyear?currentPage=all
Warning: This is a long read!
NB: with Japanese transliteration Mone (wch most
Anglophones wd read rhyming with phone) is pronounced moh-nay b/c
Latin values are give to vowels in transliteration. This makes
the connection with Monet obvious.
There's a major and a minor mistake in English wch is surprising
for the New Yorker. They used 'shrunk', the past participle that
needs have/had in front, instead of the correct 'shrank' b/c simple
past is meant.
The other is writing the possessive F's instead of the plural
Fs.
The article is interesting from a sociological point of view (but
you shd be interested in 'girls' and advertising, ie the
'pull').
Of course I immediately recognized Basho (involved as I am with
some haiku assns) and had read Tale of Genji; wonder why they don't
refer to her as Lady Murasaki.
Oh yes, another tense mistake: shd be 'if her name were' b/c
subjunctive (ie hypothetical) and they wrote WAS wch is the simple
past as if it had actually occurred.
Otherwise, found it fascinating -- do note that they refer to
'good grammar' so guess noticing the standard of language attracts the
attention of writers everywhere -- from a literary and contemporary
society POV. Many social changes from when I was at Keio
University.
I had already read The Pillow Book by Sei Shonagon (both will be
somewhere in my caches of books), and one of Banana's books is on a
side table by the balcony door at the apt -- it heralded gigantic
shift in the attitude of girls.
=== QUOTATIONS
===
verba volant, scripta manent = spoken words fly, writing
remains
Economists are like Aeolian harps, and the sounds that issue from
them are determined by the winds that blow.
--
Rebecca West
The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to
the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober
one.
The
nationalist not only does not disapprove of atrocities committed by
his own side, he has a remarkable capacity for not even hearing about
them.
--
George Orwell
God defend me from my friends; from my enemies I can defend
myself.
--
Proverb
One day we will be people again, and not only Jews.
Patriotism is proud of a country's virtues and eager to correct
its deficiencies; it also acknowledges the legitimate patriotism of
other countries, with their own specific virtues. The pride of
nationalism, however, trumpets its country's virtues and denies its
deficiencies, while it is contemptuous toward the virtues of other
countries. It wants to be, and proclaims itself to be, "the
greatest", but greatness is not required of a country; only
goodness is.
--
Sydney J. Harris, journalist and author (1917-1986)
Traditionally, Indonesians practised a tolerant, almost syncretic
brand of faith, infused with the Buddhist, Hindu, and animist
traditions of earlier periods.
--
Barack Obama; The Audacity of Hope; Crown Publishers; 2006
If the Third World War is fought with nuclear weapons, the fourth
will be fought with bows and arrows.
--
Lord Louis Mountbatten, said in 1975
{Answer to riddle: a
sponge}