May 11 AGENDAs
Calendar to May 28

by Carolanne Reynolds, Editor

Happy Mother's Day!
MAIN ITEMS Ccl Mtg May 11th:
+  4pm -- Ccl Workshop on Strategic Planning
+  6:30pm -- Sp Ccl Mtg: Adoption of Tax Rates; MetroV Delegation to Sweden re Waste (Mayor to go)
+  7pm -- Youth Ccl Mtg: Presentations by Rotary and WVPD; Debate on Youth and Transportation; followed by  Youth Appreciation Awards and a Reception
Vive le Canada (Vote informedly!); ANIMALWATCH ( white deer, weirdest animals, birdbrains); from the EDITOR'S DESK (Obama Humour); UPDATES (Spirit Trail, Strategic Planning, Volunteering)
=  CALENDAR to May 28th; CULTUREWATCH (Theatre; Opera; Music)
=  Ccl Mtg NOTES May 4th: North Shore Housing Forum; Public Input on 610 - 11th St DVP; Child Care Regulations/Zoning Amendment Bylaw, DVP and Biz Licence Bylaw; TAX RATES BYLAWS (to be provided!); OCP Amendment for 6695 Nelson (Sewell's); Strategic Planning Status; NBRHD CHARACTER/HOUSING and PILOT PROJECT; OCP Amendment/Devt Applic 2031-2061 Esquimalt; SPECIAL CCL MTG MAY 11th 6:30pm
=  Ccl Mtg AGENDAs May 11th

===  Vive le Canada  === 
Yes, we have the vote, universal suffrage.  We have responsible govt.  Voters are responsible for the govts they choose.  Once you know how the govt functions and the principles of economics, please become informed of the the issues and the candidates (their abilities, integrity, experience, and dependability).
Those who choose based on single issues play a dangerous game, especially if they count on promises.  Govts aren't always able to keep promises and there are cases in which a govt will keep a promise but the voter then disagrees with or suffers as a result of other decisions the govt makes.
That's why some ppl give up and why lobbying is found more effective by some (depends on the topic).
Now, go out and vote.
And pray.

+  Received this, an excerpt from the Wis Pub TV show, In Wisconsin, regarding the herds of white deer up in this neck of the woods.  It's about six minutes, think it was aired in March of this year.
+  World's Weirdest Animals:  http://english.pravda.ru/photo/report/fauna-3501
+  Birdbrains
Meet the brains of the animal world by Rebecca Morelle, Science reporter, BBC News
Betty the crow bends some wire into a hook to retrieve a treat-laden bucket from a well (footage: behavioural ecology group, Oxford University)
"In the past, people thought birds were stupid," laments the aptly named scientist Christopher Bird.
But in fact, some of our feathered friends are far cleverer than we might think.
And one group in particular - the corvids - has astonished scientists with extraordinary feats of memory, an ability to employ complex social reasoning and, perhaps most strikingly, a remarkable aptitude for crafting and using tools.  Read more:  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/8023295.stm

===  from the EDITOR'S DESK  === humour
Obama's amusing address to the White House Correspondents' Dinner May 9th...  haven't got time to find the best one with the speech all intact.  It's in two parts here: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/05/09/full-video-obamas-white-h_n_201264.html
Wanda Sykes's is funny too but she goes too far with her 'two kidneys' comment.

===  UPDATES  ===
+  North Shore Spirit Trail Greenway
The District of West Vancouver is implementing the first phase of the Spirit Trail Greenway, a key feature of the District's Cycling Network and Greenway Plan, adopted by Council in 2007.  The Plan was developed with community participation and input, and is a key component of the District's Transportation and Mobility goals in the Official Community Plan.
May 7, 2009 - Update!  Construction of the Spirit Trail Greenway - Phase 1A connecting Park Royal Shopping Center with Ambleside Park (at the doggie walk) will commence this week beginning with removals (barrier, asphalt, trees) at Park Royal.  Scheduled completion of Phase 1A is for July.  For further details: http://www.westvancouver.ca/Level3.aspx?id=3722
+  Strategic Planning [update]
West Vancouver is a community with high aspirations, yet we are challenged by an economy in recession. We have worked together to construct the Official Community Plan, and benefited from citizens volunteering their time and expertise to Working Groups. We have an abundance of potential initiatives, but limited resources to execute them. We all value the social and environmental qualities that make West Vancouver unique.
To bring the community's realities into focus, a vision needs to be articulated and goals need to be set. Throughout 2009, the District will be developing a community-based Strategic Plan, expecting to achieve:
                A long-term Vision for the Community
                Clarity [of/for] the Mission for the District
                A set of long-term community goals
                A Financial Plan that enables those goals
                A Measurement System to ensure the District is achieving those goals
Public Consultation - Next Steps   The questions or topics arising out of April's public dialogues will be presented to the community for discussion. At two World Cafés, we will look at the main goals identified by the community and develop specific action plans. These sessions are open to all. 
                Wednesday, June 3rd -- 6 - 9 pm  --  West Vancouver Community Centre
                Friday, June 5th -- 6 - 9 pm  --  Gleneagles Community Centre
We want to hear from you. There will be a number of opportunities for the community to contribute to and participate in the development of the Strategic Plan. For details, visit westvancouver.ca/strategicplan 
+  Strategic Planning Feedback and Reports
Greetings [from WV DCAO/staff],
We promised to provide you feedback from your investment of time with us on April 1st at the Wosk Centre downtown.  That, you will remember, had to be delayed because we did not have the second Open Space meeting until April 25th.  The output of those two meetings has now been synthesized and can be found at: http://www.westvancouver.ca/uploadedFiles/Your_Government/Agendas_and_Minutes/2009/May/DWV-Council-Workshop-May-11-2009.doc
The Community Engagement and Contribution to the District of West Vancouver is the staff report from Brent Leigh (Deputy CAO), which introduces the material and clarifies our forward movement in the process (5 pages).
The consultant's report (8 pages) is also on this page, as are the verbatim transcriptions (Consultant's Report - Appendix A and B).  Be careful not to print -- it represents 133 pages!
Most importantly, we want you to know this will be discussed with Council in an open workshop setting at Municipal Hall on Monday May 11th (4 to 6pm).  It would be great to see as many of you there as possible.
The Strategic Plan is a dynamic process to define community goals and an ongoing system to monitor progress will be completed through this year.  Read More: http://www.westvancouver.ca/strategicplan.aspx
+ Volunteer for a Board, Committee or Working Group (details were in WVM10)
Deadline is 4pm Friday May 15th for the following: Community Engagement Cmte; Value for Services Working Group; Strategic Planning Working Group; Transportation Plan Working Group.
If you are a West Vancouver resident and would like to volunteer to serve on a boardstanding committee, or working group, please contact the Legislative Services Department at 925 7004 for more information.  Applicants will need to fill out and hand in a Community Involvement Application Form and are encouraged to supplement the form with a brief resume.
Forms Information Sheet (Appointment to Board, Committee, or WG); Community Involvement Application Form
Applicants are requested to e-mail (committees@westvancouver.ca), mail, fax (925 7006), or deliver completed applications, with a brief personal resume, to the Legislative Services Dept at the M Hall. 

===  CALENDAR to May 28th  === Mtgs at MHall unless noted otherwise
        Dundarave Farmers' Market Saturdays 10 to 4pm
~~~  May 1 to 22   ~~~   ZERO WASTE CHALLENGE
Please find attached a schedule of upcoming public meetings regarding Zero Waste Challenge, Liquid Waste Management and Regional Growth Strategy.  If you would like to provide feedback and are unable to attend a meeting please send us your comments.
Deadlines for feedback are:    
Zero Waste Challenge - May 01; Liquid Waste Management - May 15; Regional Growth Strategy - May 22
Your feedback can be sent via:  Email: icentre@metrovancouver.org or Fax: 604 432 6399
Mail:  Metro Vancouver, Corporate Relations, 4330 Kingsway, Burnaby, BC V5H 4G8
Further information is available online at: www.metrovancouver.org.

Late posting so not in last issue (subscribers got update notice): Thurs May 7th ~ 5:30pm ~ Spirit Trail Meeting

= Wed May 13th  ~ 10am ~ AUDIT Cmte (but nothing about cmte on DWV website or on Calendar!)
                ~ 5:15pm ~ Measuring Up WG, this time at WV Cmnty Ctr
                ~ 7:15pm ~ Field Sports Forum: CANCELLED, moved to May 20
= Thurs May 14th   ~ 4pm ~ Climate Action WG at Cmnty Ctr, Mountain Room
= Tues May 19th ~ 5:15pm ~ Measuring Up WG
= Wed May 20th  ~ 1:30pm ~ Arts and Cultural Facilities WG this time at Cmnty Ctr (Cedar Room)
                ~ 6pm ~ Child Care WG
                ~ 7pm ~ Library Board Mtg at Library AND Bd of Variance at M Hall
                ~ 7:15pm ~ Field Sports Forum WG at Cmnty Ctr (Cedar Room)
= Thurs May 21st        ~ 6pm ~ NSh Family Court/Youth Justice Cmte Mtg at DNV M Hall
                ~ 7:30pm ~ WV Streamkeepers Public Mtg at St Stephen's (885 22nd)
= Wed May 27th  ~ 1:30pm ~ Arts and Cultural Facilities WG
= Thurs May 28th        ~ 4:30pm ~ Design Review Cmte
                ~ 5pm ~ NSh Adv Cmte on Disability Issues at DNV M Hall
                ~ 5:30pm ~ WVPB mtg in Police Boardroom
- for Events and Programs: http://www.westvanlibrary.ca/index.php?page=5
- for Event Calendar: http://www.westvanlibrary.ca/event/calendar.php
Friday May 1st ~ 6:30pm ~ Booktopia Opening & Youth Works Art Reception
All are welcome. Refreshments will be served by the Friends of the Library. The exhibition will be ongoing to May 31.  See http://www.booktopia.ca/index.html
= Thurs May 28th ~ 10:30am - 12:30pm --  Philosophers' Café: Cross-Cultural Wisdom
What wisdom could travel well and be accepted by all world cultures? Admission: $5
+  Fridays English Corner ~ 10 - 11:30am ~ practise English conversation [May 22, 29]

=  May 5 to 17 =  THE WEST VAN GRAD SHOW 2009
A juried Mixed Media Exhibition featuring the artworks of graduating students of Collingwood School, Mulgrave, Rockridge, Sentinel Secondary School, and WV Secondary School
OPENING RECEPTION on Friday, May 8th from 6 - 8pm
=  May 19 - June 7 =   "From the Same Earth"
Pottery by Ray and Bev Niebergall, Tim Niebergall, Carlie Sanford; Paintings by Jane Armstrong and Lil Chrzan
OPENING RECEPTION on Tuesday, May 19th from 6 - 8pm
Artists' Talk: Saturday, May 23rd at 2pm
+++ SILK PURSE +++  www.silkpurse.ca
= May 5 - 17 = "Nature's Way"   --  Watercolour paint and the process lends itself to blurred lines and muted colours, and is especially appropriate for painting natural subjects. Its delicate transparency is well suited to images of equally delicate, transparent petals and leaves. But, when combined with pen and ink a watercolour can show as much or more detail as an oil painting. Botanicals create highly prized, collectible artworks by integrating impressionism with technical drawing. Join us to view the collection of awe-inspiring creations by artists Elizabeth Cox, Marney-Rose Edge, Lucille Loose, and Christina Oh!
Opening Reception: TUESDAY May 5th from 6 - 8pm
To see a list of events: http://kaymeekcentre.com/on_stage/events_calendar
To see the electronic newsletter, the address is http://kaymeekcentre.weebly.com.
Getting onto the mail list: the simplest method is to call the box office (604 913 3634) or email tickets@kaymeekcentre.com

+++ ROYAL CANADIAN LEGION BRANCH 60, West Vancouver +++
***  The Spring-Summer issue of "The Torch" is now available via Branch 60's website: to view the newsletter, just click the following link for direct access: http://www.westvan60.com/Images/The%20Torch%20Newsletter%20-%20Spring-Summer%202009.pdf
The newsletter is available to any non-member who is interested.
SATURDAY May 16th: The official patio opening. Please contact Legion for information (922 3587) on the bar cooler fundraiser barbecue dinner.

+++  WV MUSEUM  +++  Visit:  http://www.westvanmuseum.blogspot.com/
North Star: The Art of Lyle Wilson  [March 4 to May 30]
+  THEATRE: Saturday May 9th, end of Linda Griffiths's unusual exploration of feminism in Age of Arousal at the Arts Club, Granville Island.
Coming: Top Girls (Playhouse), 36 Views (JAC) -- VSun's WestCoastLife on Thursdays has listings
+  VANCOUVER OPERA 7:30pm Saturday: Last performance of Strauss's Salome -- one act (102 minutes), stirring music, revolting plot, fabulous Russian soprano; buy one ticket, second one free (683 0222); parking $6 at BC Hydro building (come early b/c hockey night too!)
PLUS on Saturday, WV GARDEN CLUB's Biennial PLANT SALE at St David's United Church Parking Lot.  Thousands of plants from members' gardens.  Annuals, Herbs, Hostas, Perennials, shrubs, Vegetables & More; Gardening questions answered by Master Gardeners
+  MUSIC: 2:30pm, Sunday May 10th, Pacific Baroque Orchestra at WV United Church (2062 Esquimalt) -- 17th Century Germany; Buxtehude and the Boy (vocal and instrumental music)
ALSO; lots of great performances by VSO.......

 ===  Ccl Mtg NOTES May 4th  === {but 'best efforts' not up to par, sorry}
Mayor: sp announcements
Youth Wk, Youth Ccl next week and they'll be discussing transportation
following YC mtg will be awards and then reception
Emergency Preparedness Wk May 3rd to 9th across country
our cmnty like no other, appreciate Police, Fire in keeping us safe, responding in an emergency
        Add to Item 6; and 10 WV recommendations for WG and 11 following Item 3
2.  ADOPTION OF MINUTES: April 20, 2009 Regular Council Meeting.
3. D. Peters, North Shore Housing, regarding North Shore Housing Forum (May 27-28) (File:  0055-20-NSHI1)
Mayor: tonight is a special night, housing, so timing right
DP: happy coincidence I shd speak with you tonight, same night you're going to read formally
Forum is May 27/28 but understand Mayor cannot attend but Cclr Lewis will be on the hot seat
three groups are responsible for bringing this forum forward; got started in Nov
app your support and from staff in your Planning Dept
Cmnty Housing Action Cmte [NV?], Cdn Fed of U Women, and Lionsview Housing Planning Society -- all three groups strong advocates -- safe adequate housing on N Sh
one is the homeless, a crisis that will not go away
appropriate rental housing
seniors who are finding their choices more limited
new families who want to settle on NSh, cost is too high -- as they leave and others don't come, schools start to feel the pinch; as schools die, cmnties wither
ppl move away to find stronger cmnties
tough place for singles to live
find themselves in houses not able to maintain and can't find homes on the NSh
no one who lives here wants to leave here
I grew up in WV; last bus 11pm, missed have to walk
now houses bigger, more and more falling into difficulty
this forum is an attempt by a large number of ppl to ask some key questions of key decision-makers and influencers
Keynote speaker Michael Geller
next day not just planners, devprs, politicians, also ppl who are really suffering
we've been conducting listening posts, asking key questions, what's housing like, what do you like about the NSh, what have you got to say; lots don't come to these forums
want to stay, even homeless -- don't want to go to Downtown Eastside
new dad said my rent for two-bedrm is $1200, child care $1200, don't know if I can stay here
you have nine stories in your report
I have one too; my son said he doesn't know if he can stay here
housing runs all through your report on Housing Dialogue
thank you
Mayor: thank you for organizing the forum
Sop: without sounding like the Devil's Advocate, has there been a discussion, TPTB, fed and prov -- more dollars on housing issue in this prov? NOT so we're taking the flak
wonder if responsibility of the M govt
that's put aside when we hear stories, countless ppl don't want to leave
all on shoulders of taxpayers
DP: yes, we've heard it; govt got out of housing biz in 1993; falling to ground and being replaced by something ppl can't afford
prov/fed stepped aside and we want them back
Sop: in your discussions on affordability, did you get around to what that means?
affordability in my mind is subsidized housing
if resp of local govt, how far do we go?
when door opens are we ever going to get help?
DP: terminology the problem; affordability raises a prob
more than that; housing of a variety nature, infill, carriage house, etc, bedevilled us for years
ML: thank you and look forward to being there
{MOVED to this item (see Agenda amended)}
10. Implementation of Community Dialogue on Neighbourhood Character and Housing Working Group Recommendations (File:  2515-23)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated April 16, 2009 from the Sr. Community Planner titled "Implementation of Community Dialogue on Neighbourhood Character and Housing Working Group Recommendations" be received for information.
Mayor: reason former Cclr [John Clark] is here tonight, welcome
JC: pleasure
Mayor: huge amt of pleasure and gives me great pride -- our Planning Dept has been awarded an Award of Excellence with a, from Planning--
SMik: --Planning Institute of BC
Mayor: --from Planning Institute of BC for the cmnty dialogue held last year
not only working with a whole new system and not only did you tackle one of the toughest questions have to deal with, but we did it as a cmnty
Ccl decided it was a priority; and stepped out of the way, and the cmnty carried the ball; think that's why got to point, support tonight, why we're looking for some implementation; rich conversation
for former Cclr Clark. perhaps one of the most interesting and rewarding things you've worked on in your time on Ccl; v good to see you here tonight; and for the Planning Dept a huge credit b/c we threw you in the deep end with v opinionated passionate cmnty
congratulations to you; you're going to accept this on our behalf?
SMik: on May 20th
Mayor: Mbrs of WG stand and be recognized
thanks to Christine and Andy, chairs, for tremendous work
Sokol: I'm making the presentation [slides]
currently District going through a strategic planning
basis for issues raised in cmnty
reforms in OCP, .... in heritage
in 2008 there were some [changes] removed [exclusion of] covered decks
for accessory structures, first steps, that work will continue
Technical Rewrite going on now; brought to Ccl distributed to public; mtgs this week and next
look to bringing forward in June
Secondary Suites -- hope to have draft bylaw June/July for Ccl's consideration
working on other amendments, directly from report -- laneway [houses], cottages, later in 2009, some 2010
implementation of the Heritage Strategic Plan -- to encourage H conservation
key rec of Housing Dialogue
Transportation plan
shdn't sell land solely to raise money, but for other goals
targeting Wetmore for seniors' housing
HBay firehall site, three houses -- green roofs, etc
Ottaburn, a two-lot subdivision
monitoring of existing bylaw provisions -- includes land devt, ... make sure nbrly process
new coordinate with nbrhd; more on this later this year
later this evening bringing forth the pilot prog, hope will be a ...
Housing Action Plan comes out of Growth Strategy, encourage diff forms of housing, work will start on this this year and continue into 2010.
Sop: with open mind and congratulations to WG
disconnect with all these areas coming forth from Planning
positive new initiatives, look forward to that
recommendations from a WG, call for changes....
but hasn't been put to a WG with a survey of their own
we have before us a Zoning bylaw but there are other things, public, like infill -- my concern is we'll go through this inhouse and not fully in WV
some things asked by Housing Dialogue
not from other directions
serious side, the zoning bylaw we shd be dealing with, it shd be telling us where we're going
this will shape based on our Strategic Plan
don't get that feeling and felt that for some time
Sokol: number of issues raised by Housing Dialogue and we'll be moving forward with full public discussion
intent is to simplify and take forward policies one by one, such as sec stes, ht and bulk, laneway housing -- not intend as a done deal; come to Ccl one by one
Sop: the doc you gave us as technical rewrite has aspirations wrt sideyard, suites, everything
where's the dialogue as Ccl with public?
where get to time we go through public process so everyone aware what we're doing
Sokol: the only piece we're moving forward on right now is the technical rewrite, brought fwd in March, direction got from Ccl; will be bringing back policy amendments; as part of the cmnty dialogue wch made recommendations to do that, and as part of direction we'll get from strategic plan and that will decide what bring forward and at what time
Sop: let someone else comment
TP: commend WG for this tremendous effort
as the ccl liaison for the Climate Action Group, much can nicely reduce emissions
certainly be building on that in the CAWG.
Mayor: Q about timelines -- main msg is that we cd be more flexible as to housing choice
if we cd strengthen commitment to the character of the cmnty and the natural cmnty that we live in, we'll be successful in the type of housing we provide
nobody wants wholesale change but need for change in how our homes function to support us
pleased to see top seven initiatives and started on; Heritage underway
the new projects, pilot, sec stes, Housing Action, where Cclr Sop says reports coming to Ccl
Ccl needs to know where we're going
Sokol: can report back to Ccl
no 8, Pilot projects coming to you in June
Mayor: re zoning bylaw, technical rewrite and second part?
Sokol: second part tied in with strategic plan; will come forth ...
wch for 2009, 2010 and wch not to move forward with
Ccl Sop?
Sop: articulating nbrhd character, new houses in established nbrhds both will require ...
if you use the zoning bylaw, has to be based on strategic plan
we haven't completed our strategic plan -- how can we embark on these before us?
Sokol: we can only embark on what's recommended by OCP and Strategic Plan -- something not consistent will not move forward until amendments done
Sop: what are the prescribed  xxx  public process for all WVites to have a look at?
Mayor: is there a particular issue?
Sop: don't want to be seen as tearing something down
add'l house on lot will have signif impact
what process has there been other than the dialogue?
help xxx come to that
Sokol: handled in survey ......  and thirdly
eg laneway we'll make a call for projects  (Stephen Mikicich will be presenting this to you later)
we'll be evaluating,
can move forward; nbrhd acceptance; ppl get feel what they're like then know if want to have in other parts of the cmnty.
Mayor: [move to] item 11 out of respect for WG mbrs here tonight
{MOVED to this b/c Agenda amended}
11. Proposed Pilot Project Program - for Testing Out New Housing Types and Development Practices not Provided for Under Current OCP Policy and Land Use Regulations (File:  2515-23)
1.      The draft Pilot Project program, as outlined in the report from the Sr. Community Planner, dated April 16, 2009, be endorsed by Council; and
2.      The former Community Dialogue on Neighbourhood Character and Housing Working Group be re-convened for the purpose of developing and implementing a Pilot Project program in 2009; and
3.      Staff prepare draft Terms of Reference for the Working Group's new role for review and consideration by the Community Engagement Committee.
SMik: following report in Nov a third newsletter was sent out to all WV
through the Cmnty Dialogue we heard wide support for sustainability
support for testing progs, for new housing types to be created, and protection of nbrhd character
tool for cmnty to learn
... about how to learn to design with nature
@@@ topics@@@
Rec 5.2: heard shd be limited in both size and scope
address issues not governed by
[see slide 7:39]
educational opp; fully documented, what worked, what didn't and what can do better
staff recommend draft pilot proj prog be endorsed, WG reconvened to devp
WG work with staff to refine
intent and purpose
provide input on the process.........
ME: thrilled report come forward, credit to staff and to prev Ccl, rests on shoulders of this Ccl to see it through
bringing the WG back; group believe was successful; commend you for initiatives you've taken
Sop: assuming a pilot project cd look at two houses on a lot, and the interpretation an average-sized lot?
Mayor: cd you put that slide back on?
["Pilot Projects should"]
SMik: part of the... bring group back; where considered what types of issues
gentle infill, what kind of forms can that take
v large homes; two small homes on ........
Sop: criteria for selection of where these shd be in cmnty or that form of infill through entire cmnty?
SMik: reports to Ccl as with Cmnty Dialogue
also a process; intent wd be testing out an idea in one specific location and we wd learn from that to inform future policy
then whether District-wide, certain place, or not at all
Sop: in relation to demographics, certain number of years, impacts of .... character of nbrhds, are we setting a policy increase in popn beyond what we can handle?
SMik: identified not so much number of housing units, it was limited choice and was to find what suit cmnty needs, matching
Sop: 12Kst lot then futuristic position, two lots four cars and ... ppl plus, and that's not an impact on the cmnty?
Mayor: other
MS: definition of pilot here
small, show a little initiative, vision, so why we're debating this ... haven't seen
why not discussing what's in front of us?
ML: devil is in the detail; my sense is we'll learn a lot
right process we shd be pursuing, like Cclr Smith looking forward to what xxxxx
SW: encourages WGs, looking forward, need to move
testing out diff sites in WV to see how we can vary the housing stock in WV
Sop: find it fascinating no one wd have
incomprehensible, no Qs whatsoever in direction
excuse me for saying too much, Cclr Smith
Mayor: missed the point
testing v astute, move cautiously
taking time but by keeping an open mind
our housing stock is filtering ourselves out
boldly we're going to try ONE thing
shd provide Ccl, for education
families in WV who want to try a coachhouse, granny flat, ...
pilot received 81% support
not wholesale change, it's a start
Sop:I agree with you
Mayor: wonderful
Sop: when we talk about wanting to make better for seniors and we do
we don't have doors and gates
they'll come from afar
and b/c I speak against the devils in the details
don't want to be chastised that I'm not for
when we have all these questions, when will these be entertained?
just think some areas not envisioned with the scrutiny that we shd have
Mayor: WG
not a pilot project, a program for a pilot project
{Back to original AGENDA following Item 3; 7:52}
4. Further Information on proposed Development Variance Permit No. 08-027 (610 11th Street) (File:  1010-20-08-027)
At the January 12, 2009 meeting, Council received the report dated November 27, 2008 from the Community Planner and deferred further consideration of the application
Mayor: now presentation?
Geri Boyle, Planning: short one; two slides
this application is for a setback
[fixed X] that was inaccurate, so thank you
Cclr who will go unnamed
Mayor: Cclr Evison, good job
GB: nbrs concerned about xxx ....
[traffic parking]
slide: a corner bulge wd be put in here to define the travel portion
have a lot of pavement
beneficial in slowing cars and will define a parking area
haven't details so this is an idea for you ...
thinking possibly of a gravel path to walk safely
some trees wd go in but not to restrict sightlines
concerns raised by other Cclrs and the public has .....
have included this in proposal before you
since a lot of time has elapsed since Ccl in Jan, there's been a renotification
ML: any add'l public input?
GB: understand one mbr of public to speak
ME: I have Qs but wd prefer to hear from public
Sop: Q re
GB: still has a large setback, been reduced to 12 and a half feet
Sop: relation to blvd? have to maintain?
GB: yes according to our bylaw; here south side
Mayor: that was raised when it came to Ccl
Doug Henning: I feel like I was the mbr of public; in January, I'd returned from Hawaii and notice in mailbox
we're south, and didn't know anything about it at this time; wasn't sure at that time
Ccl in its wisdom asked consult further, comes back before you tonight
in the meantime able to speak with staff and more importantly with all my nbrs
pilot projects and DVPs, v important the ppl, at a micro level, right around, really understand what is being proposed on the site, an opp to be heard, how will affect them, how project be made better
as we began to think about it, my wife and I talked about it
gee, this cd be better; had an email; some nbrs gave ideas how make better -- in staff report is an email
some conditions in the proposal before you tonight
cmnty has had an opp to speak to it, staff have responded; put in those things we felt by way of input work better at whole level
really appreciate -- thanks to staff and District as a whole, opp to be heard
Mayor: I have a Q for you -- bulge? in favour?
Ans: yes, came from Engg, excellent suggestion, had questions about parking
this site, grade change in asphalt; part of overall context for the house
Mayor: I shd hv called for further public input; anyone wishing to speak?
then call on question.
RECOMMENDED: THAT all written and verbal submissions be received for information.
Sop moved: THAT the proposed revised DVP be approved
just a quickie, where's Ms Boyle?
see tree across? new? how'd that get there?
Mayor: the motion on the floor to approve or not; questions about the application in front of us
Sop: DCC charges, pay for ??
Mayor: wd there be DCCs?
GB: no
quite a change in the landscape on the northern side
southern blvd -- quite a loss in character so was in maintaining character
Sop: all cost was xxx
GB: ... not a normal variance
raise Qs how fits in with nbrhd
Mayor: so decline variances and not have opp...
Sop: no problem passing this
good nbr policy put a couple of trees up ...
GB: yes.....
ME: cost of improvements, applicant including bulge?
GB: yes, about $15K, usually estimate on high side
ME: secondly, some discussion about storm water being directed into a rain garden
cd happen and I feel it shd happen
under item no 3, covering landscaping but no reference to rain garden
GB: if I might comment -- the drawing is a schedule to the Devt Permit
used 'considered' b/c it hasn't been designed, didn't want to commit to something not possible
have to account for curbs...
if any way it can fit, we'll move in that direction
so inapp to make promise to cmnty
ME: trees shd be 2 meters and I wd suggest too little, shd be higher
GB: that was the advice from the arborist but we can certainly look at that.
{Note to self: check!  does seem small esp if that's full size}
5. West Vancouver Child Care Regulations - Zoning Bylaw No. 2200, 1968, Amendment Bylaw No. 4579, 2009, Proposed Development Variance Permit Policy, and Business Licence Bylaw, No. 4455, 2005 Amendment Bylaw No. 4596, 2009 (File:  2620-08/1610-20-4579)
1.      Zoning Bylaw ... as attached to the report from the Community Planner - Social Services dated April 14, be introduced and read a first time in short form;
2.      Zoning Bylaw ...  be presented at a Public Hearing on Monday June 1 at 7pm
3.      The Municipal Clerk be directed to give Statutory Notice...;
4.      The proposed DVP for Child Care Uses in Residential Zones, as attached to the April 14, 2009 report from the Community Planner - Social Services, be presented for public comment concurrently with the proposed child care Zoning Bylaw Amendment Bylaw ..., and be considered for approval if the proposed Zoning Amendment Bylaw is adopted;
5.      Business Licence Bylaw No. 4455, 2005 Amendment Bylaw No. 4596, 2009 as attached to the report dated April 14, 2009, be introduced and read a first time in short form;
6.      Further consideration of Business Licence Bylaw ... take place concurrent with Zoning Bylaw; and
7.      A municipal resource package for child care providers be developed in conjunction with preparation of the Child Care Plan commencing May 2009.
Anne Mooi: ... Leanne Sexsmith will [present] and answer any questions
LS: pleasure to be here today and bring these recommendations forward
based on recs of WG
regulations established many years ago....
better supports child care in the area
clarity for operators and responds to nbrs' interests
20 to 16, min distance between facilities, siting of outdoor play equipment
some flexibility with variance permits
for commercial and mixed use areas, process is simpler; subject to meeting prov standards
approach based on a thorough review  -- mtgs, forums, other Ms
the upcoming PH will provide another opp for cmmty input
Ms are not alone in regulating child care
approach recommended what we heard reflect cmnty's needs and bylaws
other cmnties are now looking to WV as a model
CCSWG Child Care Services WG
two years ago formed b/c unmet need for spaces; schools and churches full, and in one nbrhd no provisions to xxxxx
three key elements: collaboration, creation of child care hubs, a continuum of choices
Gordon House and Ambleside with Ministry funding
success in getting funding was ....
WG recognized that one ... alone wd not
allowing for a variety .... diversity of choice
proposed zoning amendments before you.....
SW: when Gordon House and Amb being opened?
LS: in the fall
Sop: read report, v supportive, ... of even Cclr Smith
to date anywhere in the residential nbrhd, eight children can be in a sgl-fam dwelling if meet requirements
LS: under ... XXX Act, must allow
Sop: our bylaw will have no backup or support against that initiative
LS: prov reg supersedes any M bylaw
Sop: there cd be ...  now and after
LS: ... continue under cmnty care work
Sop: up to 16
LS: that's correct
Sop: 16 or under -- cd be no closer than 600ft?
LS: allows up to 20 chn
proposed will reduce that to 16
not able to operate more than eight chn if within 600 ft of another with eight chn
Sop: so that's the reason
LS: we require notification within 90 meters
we chose that b/c standard used for ...
ML: can you clarify the ...
LS: in a sgl-fam home, if not adjacent ...
one parking space for every four parking spaces [?]
maybe Q for Mr Sokol, but I see an inconsistency here
this is basically a biz; required to provide two offstreet parking
yet if I run a home-based biz, not permitted to have clients to come to my home to meet with me b/c I haven't the parking
inconsistent ...   equal merit
are we going to look at this in the context of amendments being proposed?
terrific, great idea
we're encouraging ppl to stay home but not allowed to have a biz mtg in their house
Sokol: you have identified an inconsistency
ML are you surprised?
Mayor: xxx
Sokol: if Ccl wd like to direct staff to xxx
home-based biz regulated v strictly
as for this, child care being looked at v differently
ME: find it confusing; require parking -- surely drop off chn and go
more concerned about process
how many child care facilities in sgl-fam areas?
LS: three
but total, in church sites, schools, about 300 spaces and 900 preschool ...
well served with preschool and learning
ME: all been notified
LS: did hold a ...
a number of smaller child care, even though under eight chn
we've stayed in contact with them
Sop: the multifam, strata, no indiv cd ask for a child care in a strata
LS: cd have up to eight chn ... but that is outside ...
... the amenities
SW: I'm [sure??? ...]
b/c I drove to NV for a long time cdn't find
this 2007, almost two years for 30 more spots
just wondering where in the process identify more, needs in cmnty
LS: child care plan introducing this month will
with zoning amendments will be commercial areas ......
Mayor: but looking at sgl-fam nbrhds as least
hope lies there
to address your concerns Cclr Sop, this looks at.....
Cclr Smith, move and all your hard work
MS: do I have to read all this?
[Someone: as printed]
MS: before we vote, Cclr Walker, xxx
child care not even on anyone's radar screen
first was to get it known in cmnty chn welcome here encourage young families
recogn need for child care and spaces
we have two new facilities opening up
had we had money given to us by prev or this Ccl, am sure we cd have got off to a quicker start
wd like to thank the WG, Joanne McKenna, and Sch Bd v helpful
worked v well together, and ably led by Leanne Sexsmith and Anne Mooi above call of duty
note their outstanding performance
{My regrets I didn't do a better job on this.
Do want to say that the report by Leanne was good.  In fact this was great work by this WG.  Although on the surface from what was said it doesn't come across as significant as it was.  Cclr Smith did a good job too and hundreds of thousands of dollars came from the province.  There is now some protection wrt disruption of the nbrhd within the constraints of legislation while regulating for more home-based care to be available.}
6. 2009 Annual Tax Rates Bylaw 4601, 2009 (File:  1610-20-4601) -- Information to be provided.
        {and just why not ready for this ccl mtg when budget adopted weeks ago?}
RL: placed on table [slides]
av residential [home assessment] $1.421K $86 increase for 2009
collecting; M has no control: MetroV, TransL, MFA, BCAA WV will be collecting ~$48M and remitting that
school 2? % $35 represents $35M
TransLink just under $40
all other agencies just under $4
so tax bill for av resident $165 for 2009; $86 M, $79 for other agencies
the newsletter with the tax notices will note the breakdown
residents will see 61% and 49% acting as a collection agency
{ML made motion and all three readings}
Sop: know you've/we've had a conversation with ... were we blindsided by TransLink?
Mayor: was talking about that today; none of the parties want to discuss this
talking on half the mayors in the prov
from the mayors' POV, just starting; whoever is in Vic will be faced with a real challenge
MS: was going to speak to this under Corres
mayors were suggesting being v vocal about this but not a peep from four MLAs, getting screwed by Translink levy, same as in Maple Ridge and our assessment way higher
we have no representation
unbelievable, hear nothing from four MLAs, and no rapid transit
see no alternative to three Mayors on NSh lead the charge and be v vocal
citizens being mistreated
Mayor: always been unfair but now we have something in common with other Ms
mayors' Ccl, has no authority, not in board mtgs
only decide on increased budget but don't have anything to say about what on
Diane Watts,  Gregor [names of mayors]....
to his credit, MLA Sultan called
their legislation is that ...
Sop: ...
Mayor: Ccl Smith is right, the silence is deafening
MS: unfairly taxes without representation
putting on gas tax is the right way to go
even though I'm in the biz; gas is too cheap
super ... and hundreds of housewives driving around in Hummers...
always follow the money
oil companies all moving out of the gas station biz; going way of dodo
getting up to true cost
Mayor: Tom Prendergast doing a good job, keeping pressure on prov
what they're missing is legitimacy ...
not criticising ...
really how to pay for it
for ten years, to credit of mayors, visible, ...
Min of Transp won't take resp
this tax rate bylaw demonstrates
how we strive to keep taxes low, no...
7. 2009 Specified Area and Local Area Service Tax Bylaws (File:  1610-20-4593/4594/4595)
   THAT "Specified Area Tax Rates Bylaw No. 4593, 2009" be read a first, second, and third time.
   THAT "Parcel Tax (Garrow Bay) Bylaw No. 4594, 2009" be read a first, second, and third time.
   THAT "Parcel Tax (Eagle Harbour) Bylaw No. 4595, 2009" be read a first, second, and third time.
8. Proposed OCP Amendment for the redevelopment of the upland portion Sewell's Marina (6695 Nelson Avenue) in Horseshoe Bay (File:  1010-20-09-015)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the applicant lead proposed public consultation process for redevelopment of 6695 Nelson Avenue in Horseshoe Bay described in Appendix B to the April 26, 2009 report of the Manager, Community Planning be approved.
GB: [slides]
definite proposed OCP amendment
excellent consultants, ...
showing a vibrant HBay
wish to take that out to broader cmnty...
prog already in place
dealing with OCP, having application in place
our involvement is talking about how broad consultation might be
consultant carry out, retained by applicant, monitored as set out
make sure notification broad enough
use website as our consultation prog, date of mtg, where can come, etc
intent to inform
bring out another round of consultation
{???did Sop ask this????:} wd this be related to cmnty amenity policy, we're really talking about land use
when we get to Cmnty Benefit, might be some comments but wd like to talk to cmnty directly about that
applicant and X is present
Mayor: is there a presentation by the applicant?
GB: there isn't
Sop: wd ask it be deferred; opp and need in this cmnty, Sewell's Marina has had sev mtgs but I don't think Planning  ...  make this a priority
this be a Ccl initiative, Ccl's direction
Mayor: debate on deferral
SSch: not usually
Mayor: I can.  Seconder?
[MS did]
Sop: have some experience with consultation with dvprs
in many cases when staff did not take full direction of Ccl, don't want to go there
feel shd be direction of this Ccl
MS: surprising as it may sound, I actually agree with Cclr Sop
really all in favour of ...
but reality is ...
direct staff to go out and have another consultation
shd come up with a process; have adequate staff to address applications
recogn money is tight
make sure adequate staff to staff
applicant works with staff
with public
so when project application we've done due diligence to that degree
ME: generally the applicant has taken the right approach
it's a look-see
any mbr of the cmnty can look at two bldg lots and discuss what they want to do
here decide a more public
staff, done quite well
it may well be after consulting he may abort it and then nothing
like to go or abandon
ML: I agree with Cclr Sop and MS, a wee bit like cat guarding the canary
approve of third party in funding but not sure about leadership
so add'l discuss
SW: more on lines of Cclr Evison
if staff has discussions with applicant
what wd be the tangible difference

{er, um, not hard to guess.......  applicant driven? Ccl driven?  nbhd driven?}

you say with residents
they're paying for it
GB: we wd be v .....
public feels more comfortable with staff
try to overcome by having on District website
SW: any way we cd hv a hybrid approach?
on website ......
GB: v diff....
SW: my concern dvprs won't come here b/c takes ten years

{groan ... compare with other Ms; besides, have you seen a shortage of dvprs in WV?}

TP: you've got fairly vigorous planning
defer -- how long if we defer?
Sokol: wd depend on Ccl; you'd say defer that to move this up
to go back to Cclr W, this is a hybrid approach; will be a consultation process that will be led by staff
going out, meeting with the cmnty
staff will be independent, get input, ..... report back to Ccl

{ideally however see my comments later in PQP}

will be able to better design for consultation process
TP: supportive of working forward
cmnty do get engaged, don't have to worry
have covered it by having staff as part of this process
ML: is there a mechanism applicant cd pay a fee and District retain a consultant?
Sokol: we certainly cd
Sop: find it fascinating a go ahead to get this moving; in front of us
my experience, we've [giving???] as a decision-making Ccl allowed a dvpr to take the lead and xxx... and was not right way to go
cautiously, for devpr a well
not to take away, one or two years down the road, back ...
Ccl initiative, not a deferral
CAO: exactly what we're going to be doing
thank Ccl for doing this
deferral not b/c of xxx
just approved an aggressive plan at
not able to achieve with this project as well
recognizing Cclr Lewis, we've had discussions hiring a planner, pushes it off a bit
question is who will lead -- M or dvpr
depending on how you vote, we'd come back and come up with another solution
MS: for clarification
if we can move this along quicker by not having a process fundamentally flawed
nothing preventing the applicant from having public consultation -- anyone can do with nbr
if the applicant leads the process, instead of having to deal with it, we'd have to xxx to give some credibility
by doing it properly in the first place is faster
SW: that probably has some validity to it
staff has an aggressive work plan right now
look at what WV needs, xxx, xxx, looking at xxx
all that a plan like this cd do ...
maybe a better hybrid soln
keep moving so
shd be supportive of what comes before us
Mayor: will speak in favour of approval  ...   xxx  ...
has to do with success
Ev Dr, v dvpr-driven, fell apart
leader, Spaxman, and citizens ...  a lot of support there; process
cmnty expects us to xxx
not suggesting not integrity
hope staff come back with xxx
keep in mind this is the new HBay
worth doing well, or criticized for dropping ball; want to ....
ME: does occur to me, we aren't listening to staff b/c staff has come up with a hybrid
staff saying they recommend this hybrid
your opinion staff can come back next week
Mayor: next ccl mtg
ME: if I'm to entertain any deferral, essential to have a timeline
if seriously in two weeks' time, fine
GB: to comment on timelines, Ccl has a mtg on May 25th know some on vacation; award for dogwalk
see no reason we cdn't come back first of June
Mayor: the statement that bothers me
"xxx" applicant wants to proceed in a more.....
June 1?
GB: yes
{Mayor deferred to June first}
{If staff or Ccl want to fill in the blanks, can put them in next WVM in time for June 1st debate}
9. Strategic Planning Status Report: Public Consultation Phase (File:  0270-07)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated May 4, 2009 from the Deputy Chief Administrative Officer titled "Strategic Planning Status Report: Public Consultation Process" be received for information.
Brent Leigh, Dep CAO: right in middle of consultation period
Dialogues Wosk and Library well attended and well received
just got report form consultant, so next week
Special Ccl Workshop 4 to 6:30pm May 11th
Mayor: peek?
BL: intense
Mayor: open to public; 4 o'clock next Monday
{didn't say where so I ask at PQP; when Agendas came out it has 4 - 6pm}
12. Official Community Plan Amendment, Rezoning and Development Permit Application No. 08-041 for property located at 2031/2047/2063 Esquimalt Avenue (File:  1010-20-08-041)
1.      Staff hold a Neighbourhood Visioning Workshop and Consultation Meeting to:
  a.    Discuss the character of this nbrhd and articulate residents' visions for its future;
  b.    Examine opportunities for introducing new housing types that are compatible with neighbourhood character; and
  c.    Obtain preliminary community input on the proposed development application
2.      Following this community consultation, staff report back to Council with initial community feedback, along with a complete review of Development Application No. 08-041.
3.      The public notification area for the Neighbourhood Visioning Workshop/ Consultation Meeting be as outlined in Appendix 'D' to the April 16, 2009 report from the Sr. Community Planner, along with advertisements for this workshop/meeting to be posted on the District website.
4.      Additional opportunities for residents' input be provided via written or online submissions.
{Editorial Note: Not mentioned during discussions but a WVM reader had written to me pointing out the owner is Mr/Mrs Basil Davis; Basil was/is the project manager for the new Cmnty Ctr, and indeed that document is there among the material for this agenda item.}
SMik: Bowling Green applicant [slides]
total of nine units, three for each lot, not proposing to consolidate the prop
OCP policy H 3; site specific zoning
provide for initial public comment
.... two other enquiries
Sop: looking at as a pilot project
SMik: --
Sop: not finished -- just reconvened the WG
chicken and egg
SMik: interesting trying to define what a pilot project is
this falling under HC 3 there actually is a policy
pilot project to test out ideas with no policy in place
that's the essential diff
not a large devt; three lots at edge of the nbrhd
potential for this concept to be expanded, set a precedent; local vision for this area
TP: do you find the nbrhd visioning process gives you a good idea either way
SMik: it's a start; may take more than one mtg
earlier discussion around nbrhd dialogue and character visioning
opp to sit down with residents and start to craft
defining elements wish to protect
ML: with the expanded notification area, how do you assess the viability?
after notification
think same issue as with prev WG issue
50% plus 1 of impacted area
maybe shd be directing this to Bob or the two of you
SMik: to gain an understanding of the appropriateness for this area, that block
so drawing initial boundaries; first stab
vision for the area
understand this application
really to help zero in on appropriateness, suitability of vision
ML: devil being in details
still unclear if setting a precedent here, xxx of ... groups reconstitute....
at what point does Ccl discuss implications?
at some point, preserving nbrhd integrity -- not there yet
Mayor: applicant
Mehrdad Rahbar, architect: co-applicant [for Bowling Green]
{text supplied}  Council Meeting May 4, 2009 -- Item 12
Speaking to the Rezoning Application for Bowling Green Homes on Esquimalt Ave.
Madam Mayor and members of Council, good evening,
My name is Mehrdad Rahbar, Designer and co-applicant speaking to the project tonight.
The project before you has evolved from an original rezoning idea of three standard lots to a ten-unit townhouse project in 2005.  At the time the Council felt that perhaps the community was not ready for such a rezoning application. Following the 2005 municipal election the new Council formed a Housing Working Group to look at the housing needs of the community before accepting any new rezoning applications. After three years of consultation, workshops and planning studies, a report was released to Council in September 2008 (which I will not elaborate on at this time).
As a result of our participation in the Housing Group's workshops and a number of meetings with municipal planning staff, we revisited our original proposal and made fundamental changes in order to respond to the community's housing needs and the Working Group's objectives.
Our present proposal encompasses most of Working Group's goals which are outlined in their report of September 2008. Among those I'll highlight our project's credo.
1   A project that is integrated into the community due to its vicinity to public transportation and public amenities
2   Housing that enhances and protects existing neighbourhood character through sensitive planning and design
3   Nine modest-sized ground-oriented units that provide alternative housing choices in West Vancouver
4   A type of dwelling that is appealing and adaptable to wide range of demographics such as seniors, empty-nesters,single parents, young professionals and "downsizers"
5   A housing type that is relatively more affordable compared to the existing development options in the area
6   A housing tenet that reduces reliance on private automobile
7   A form of development that can easily be replicated on similar sites and in similar neighbourhoods in the District
8   A project that includes several notable sustainable features. such as:
        a. an onsite water filtration system and bioswale
        b. the transformation of a service lane to a neighbourhood-friendly country lane
        c. the upgrading of an existing street to one more bio-sensitive and pedestrian-friendly
        d. Permeable surfaces and the installation of indigenous plants
        e. Roughing-in for elevators
Today as we move toward a more sustainable lifestyle, not only must we balance the economic, social, and environmental aspect of our lives, but also meet the needs of future generations. In this journey we must revisit and revise our way of thinking and our habits that can harm our planet. Among those are buildings that consume at least 40% of total world's energy.
Our proposal will establish a model for 21st century housing in West Vancouver that can easily be implemented in any existing suitable well-established neighbourhood, by minor zoning amendments, without being intrusive.
It is important to note that this form of development can be undertaken not only by builders but also by homeowners who would like to downsize, invest, or accommodate their extended family.
In conclusion, I must add that this Council, by considering and moving this project forward, will be remembered in the history of West Vancouver for accommodating for housing needs of the future generations as our predecessors did for us. By the same token, this is not merely the responsibility of one institution or a Council, but planners, developers, architects, designers, engineers, and the community at large.
Thank you,
Mehrdad Rahbar
Mayor: work on it?  Cclr Evison?
ME: I'm moving?
Mayor: as printed?
[SW seconder]
ME: think this project has a lot of merit; planner has told us we have mechanism to affect this if we wish
this is consulting, not approving, we're listening; not in conflict with WG, not deferring; mistake to delay
expectation that WG might come up with something diff
see compatibility
SW: totally agree; falls within H3; behooves us to move it forward
MS: quick question for applicant
can you give us a range, what you see units being sold for?
MR: one of our objectives is to keep price low; one into three will substantially reduce
during construction, build not to standard, not interior fancy finishes, granite countertops, going to use good quality materials yet modest, goal, below $1M market will dictate future pricing
looking into keeping as low as we can

{Good question, MS.  Those three lots wd probably be purchased for around $3M, the ten units sold for around $1M each that makes $10M so subtract the $3M and a further $2-3M for construction of modest units, that's about $5M -- let's look at Uplift and Cmnty Benefits!  This sort of profitability from increased zoning is what sets nbr against nbr -- the one who wants to keep/protect nbrhd character and the one who wants to make money and leave.  This devt however is not really in a totally sgl-fam nbrhd since devt one block away.}

Sop: my concern is that we envision something good bad or indifferent for this cmnty
ev directions and never comes to fruition
all these great plans ... houses, sec stes ... all leading up to some public process along the way
no prob going to nrhd and seeing opportunity
caution you, they may turn it down
we've just spent half an hour with recommendations WG, going to devise a pilot project of some sort
here we are with a pilot project
ML: think it can work in parallel with pilot project, can actually learn about the issues we've
Mayor: Q about 1C, talking about two diff things
worry that might take away from a good process
two lots also wish to stay, goal, start to seem like something else
SMik: interesting Q; two-fold meaning
application has been made; H 3 policy, if project suitable, next step to get public input
Unitarian Church, work in tandem
parts, v much integrated
Sokol: two parts
tomorrow night at Unitarian church; reach out to cmnty see what character is; how shd be modified

a) that mtg at church is wrt devts in Hugo Ray Park nbrhd
b) re precedent, consider spot zoning (wch I didn't mention when I spoke at PQP at end of mtg; but I did refer to the other possibility, that nearby owners, wherever such increased density is permitted, will see the profit from upzoning and want to do the same -- $$$).}

13. Motion to call a Special Council Meeting (File: 0120-01)
        RECOMMENDED: be scheduled for Monday, May 11 at 6:30pm
        before Youth Ccl mtg
14. Consent Agenda Items - Reports and Correspondence
Mayor asked for items to be withdrawn for discussion:
        20 Corresp; MS 11;  Sop; 22; and 28 ME, 18
15. Appointment of Council Representative (File:  0116-10-FSF1)
The January 12, 2009 appointment of Councillor Walker to the Field Sports Forum Working Group was rescinded; AND Councillor Panz was appointed to the Field Sports Forum WG.
16. Active Development Applications Status List (File:  1010-01)
        RECOMMENDED: received for information.
17.     Correspondence List (File:  0120 24)
Correspondence received up to April 17, 2009...
Correspondence received up to April 24, 2009...
Action Required
(11) April 20, 2009, regarding the Intersection of Duchess Avenue and 14th Street
        Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response.
Sop: little bit of a difficulty; a blind spot, even a complete stop in nonstop area, now having to stop
wonder if report -- four incidents there already, nothing serious
wonder can we return to original of four-way or roundabout
RF: staff's response is included in your package, those reasons listed there
certain period of time for motoring public to adjust; while agree still in progress
wrt number of incidents; prior to that change, 11 incidents of crash information, complied by ICBC that caused us to make the change we have right now
staff is asking for some patience
continue to notify help residents understand before making a quick change back to old
Sop: I drove it a couple of times; uncanny feeling driving E W rather than N S
there are sightlines, by ... school
hv to go past a car to get a sightline
might be a hidden persuader many come to a stop even though no stop sign there
how long look at it before okay or going aback? what about going back to four-way stop?
RF: try to improve by curb extensions, will improve sightline
Mayor: is it safer now?
RF: rec'd a couple of letters; want to monitor; in terms of safety, not seen any incidents
Mayor: fewer than there were
RF: not sufficient [length] of time
Mayor: let us know
RF: absolutely
Correspondence received up to April 28, 2009
Action Required
(18) S. Hean, Interested Taxpayers Action Committee, April 21, regarding Budget Variance Analysis
        Referred to Director of Finance for consideration and response.
ML: reminds me about a third of the year [gone], we were talking about monthly [budget reports]
Rl: my staff has just finished a quarterly review in going toward monthly
will bring as part of.... bring to audit cmte ...
not sure of finish, but finishing off 2008 year end and taking closer look
ML: go into public domain after received by audit cmte
RL: and to
CAO: and Cclr Walker chair of the new FCmte
don't believe all responses back yet
having reg monthly mtgs of
Mayor: xxx

{Great surprise -- this sparked email from me -- see INFObits or UPDATES -- I ask in PQP b/c Cclr SW's apptmt to Finance Cmte had never before been mentioned, let alone passed/approved by Ccl; lateer discovered Audit Cmte mtg agenda posted outside M Hall door for May 13 but not on DWV website calendar and no info on webpage re cmtes!}
(19) S. Hean, ITAC, April 24, 2009, regarding Article from the Vancouver Sun dated April 23, 2009
        Referred to Director of Finance for consideration and response.
(20) J. Thibault, Royal Canadian Legion, April 25, 2009, regarding Request for Permanent Training and Parade Space within the District of West Vancouver for the 525 Pathfinder Squadron of Royal Canadian Air Cadets
        Referred to Mayor and Council for consideration and response.
MS: think we shd by asking staff person, Parks and .... respond to their request
Mayor: think I have a mtg coming up
Sokol: Gordon Reid has been talking with ..... prepared to meet
AM: Sue Kettler, will be pleased to work with ..... in exploring opps
No Action Required (receipt only)
(22) April 23, 2009, regarding Ban of Wood Burning Fireplaces
ME: keeps coming up from time to time and not been resolved
staff opp to address in a serious manner
CAO: looking at me ...
it is an environmental issue; take that under advisement
Sokol: we do not allow during in new construction
ME: we do not ... did not mean to suggest for a moment not taken seriously
(28) A. Van Eden, North Shore Family Court and Youth Justice Committee, April 21, 2009, regarding Recommendation for a Youth Referral Coordinator Position on the North Shore
ME: under No Action Required but I sit on this cmte; wd ask staff to take this seriously in their budget prep
Mayor: a report to Ccl so that Ccl can decide
AM: Leanne Sexsmith sits on this cmte, working on this and will bring a report to Ccl
18.  REPORTS FROM MAYOR AND COUNCILLORS (Including updates on working groups)
TP: attended Sea to Sky as well as Howe Sound Forum
theme seems to be running through; speeding and not enough enforcement
divided hwy with barriers, huge concerns
xxx with Eagleridge, well in excess of 80kmph posted
ongoing  ...  snow tires  ...  shd be designated a mountain hwy
ME: Irwin Park ...
Then [NV for] Vancouver Naval Vets Ceremony; similar to Remembrance Day
Mayor: thank you for sailpast
Taylor Verrall (Grade 9, Rockridge): in response to issue 8 proposed upland portion of Sewell's Marina
I happen to live right above
want to remind Ccl how vital public consultation; know was talk about that; this is not a minor thing like cutting down a tree
Mayor, to some laughter: that's actually major!
TV: v v major devt proposal and before it goes through or is rejected
devt needs to be ... change landscape of H Bay
have wonderful Week
CR:  Thank you and good evening.  I was just jotting down some things.
The Strategic Planning on Mar 11 -- I'm sorry I mean May 11th thank you -- where was that going to be held?
Mayor: Ccl Chambers at 4 o'clock
CR: Ccl Chambers, thank you
= {wrt devts such as  Sewell's and Bowling Green}
About public consultation, and I was v happy to see you're already concerned with that and you're going to address that, and I think it can be made efficient, but it shd be accurate and complete, so I hope to see really clear guidelines b/c I've been at a staff-led public mtg about a devt in wch some ppl got up and said the most outrageous things that were not true as to what FAR was allowed or whatever.  And when I asked afterward, why wdn't you as staff set the record straight so that ppl listening wd know whether this person claiming something that was accurate or not, I was told that was not the role of the staff.  Well, I'm sorry, in my opinion I think the role of the staff IS to try to set the public straight on what the FAR or whatever it is, so I hope you have guidelines so that you can ensure that they are the great help that they can be.
= wrt the integrity and character of an area and this devt, I mean, I think the devts are great, I'm not against them, but what I wd like-- when you're saying that you think you might have nbrs who wd be AGAINST a devt; but there's another side to that.  There are many nbrs who see upzoning in their block and they want to make the money from upzoning as well.
So Cclr Lewis's comment about the precedent -- and I'm not saying there shdn't be upzoning in parts -- I sat on the Civic Site Adv Group and we all felt that around the civic ctr it wd probably make sense to have a bit more density, but when you do these things, as long as you realize it isn't-- there are some ppl who want to keep the character, but there are some ppl who want to make the money and leave.
=  Oh, and I heard someone tonight say that Cclr Walker was Chair of the Finance Cmte.  I haven't seen that come to Ccl; maybe I missed it on one of these agendas? and I saw an advertisement for WGs in Tidings and I haven't seen those WGs come to Ccl for receipt for information or approval.
Mayor: I believe, Ms Scholes, can you recall if Cclr Walker's apptmt was made on a ccl agenda?   If not, it will be.
SSch: it's actually scheduled to come forward on May 25th.
Mayor: May 25th; so Ccl cd vote against that.
CR: No, no, I'm not suggesting--
{some laughter}
Mayor: with everybody's support
CR: I'm not suggesting, I'm not suggesting, I'm not suggesting that at all.  It's just that it's disconcerting to hear things that have been, that have happened, and they haven't come to Ccl.
Mayor: that was my recommendation and we'll see how Ccl feels about that.  As well, with the WGs, the advertisements have been for the Strategic Planning WG, the Value for Services WG,--
CR: The Value for Services WG, I don't recall it coming, for example.
Mayor: Ccl doesn't approve that, as you know
CR: Ccl receives it first for information, I thought first.
Mayor: The Terms of Reference for those, I thought, were on a Consent Agenda? I believe so.
But again, that's the purview of the Cmnty Engagement Cmte.
Ccl just decides to set-- Ccl sets its priorities and the WGs flow from that, in a v general sense.
CR: Yes, I just, it's nice-- it's sort of a surprise when it's, you know, we thought they might be discussed in public and then decided.
Mayor: not by the Ccl.
CR: Thank you
Mayor: You're welcome.
{More on this later.
Possibly serious.
It seems that suddenly some procedures have been thrown out the window.  The Finance Cmte's webpage still has Cclr Smith as the Chair and Cclr Clark as the ccl liaison with M Lewis as a mbr -- that that hasn't been the case since November.
For 2009 the CEC webpage only has a mtg in January that was cancelled and another one in February that was cancelled.  So how and when did they discuss recommending a WG? putting an ad in Tidings? and not even putting the WGs on the ccl agenda as received for information?  and without Terms of Reference?
Council and the public appear to hv bn ignored, completely left out of the loop.
And, sadly, so were the citizen mbrs of the CEC!
The Mayor said that the CEC met and set up the WGs, but no mtg was called for that, there was no notification of a CEC mtg with discussion on having more WGs.  Debating establishing WGs does NOT qualify as a matter that must be held in camera (a subcmte to appoint mbrs wd be closed but that hasn't happened yet b/c the deadline for applications is May 15).
On the face of it it appears three mbrs of Ccl met to establish a couple of WGs WITHOUT notification of a mtg meanng neither the citizen mbrs involved in the initiation of previous WGs nor the public was aware that a mtg was being held.
Without minutes so far, can't tell if the Mayor (Chair) and/or both the ccl mbrs (SW and Sop) were present thus were complicit (or oblivious?) in violating both the spirit and the steps in the guidelines/procedures.
Quite apart from learning the Finance Cmte -- remember my asking whether they'd see the draft 2009 Budget at their March 25th mtg? well, it was cancelled and then so was the April 8th FCmte mtg, and now we find out there's a new Chair, as announced at the ccl mtg while the DWV website's webpage has the FCmte as composed in November.
Confused yet?
Somehow I kind of think procedures shd be estabilshed, made public, ad then followed.
Discovering mtgs and appointments made in secret is a stain on this Ccl when in fact some progress toward openness had been made last year.
It is my hope there'll be some way to rectify this backward slide so that we can get back on track and continue our way forward.
Will anyone on Ccl step forward to address this, reconcile the anomalies, and devise an acceptable resolution while committing not to stray from the published procedures?

===  Ccl Mtg AGENDAs May 11th  ===
Deputy CAO's Report - Community Engagement and Contribution to the DWV 2009 Strategic Planning Process; Consultant's Report; Consultant's Report - Appendix A and B
+++  6:30pm -- Special COUNCIL Meeting  +++
BYLAWS for Adoption [rec'd three readings May 4]
2. 2009 Annual Tax Rates Bylaw 4601, 2009 (File:  1610-20-4601)
3. 2009 Specified Area and Local Area Service Tax Bylaws (File:  1610-20-4593/4594/4595)
4. Metro Vancouver/Canadian Delegation to Sweden (File: 0145-01)
RECOMMENDED:  THAT the report dated May 5, 2009 from the Mayor be received for information.
        {The Mayor will be away on this trip (studying waste), paid for by MetroV, May 21 to June 1}
5. Consent Agenda Items - Correspondence
6. Correspondence List (File: 0120-24)
No Action Required (Receipt Only)
1.   Metro Vancouver, May 4, 2009, media release titled "Metro Vancouver will continue to contest Provincial Expropriation of Lands without Consultation"
+++  7pm -- YOUTH COUNCIL Meeting  +++
Youth Mayor and Youth Councillors will report on activities and events of Youth Week.
RECOMMENDED: THAT the oral reports from the Youth Mayor and Youth Councillors be received.
Mayor Goldsmith-Jones and Youth Mayor Hinder will present the annual Youth Appreciation Awards

+  WORDWATCH -- Ephebiphobia  [Thanks to Michael Quinion of World Wide Words]
The modern concern with the problems of youth and especially the problems caused by young people has perhaps made it inevitable that this word would be created. It refers to a fear and loathing of adolescents by adults.

===  QUOTATIONS  ===
First, thanks to Dr Mardy Grothe [http://www.drmardy.com/] for this one:
On February 4, 1987, Carl Rogers died at age 85 in San Diego:
   "The only person who is educated is the one who has learned how to learn . . . and change."

*  James Barrie, Scottish author (1860 - 1937):
        I'm not young enough to know everything.
*  Sam Ewing, American writer (1921 - 2001):
+  Nothing is as frustrating as arguing with someone who knows what he's talking about.
+  Parents who wonder where the younger generation is going should remember where it came from.
+  Hard work spotlights the character of people: some turn up their sleeves, some turn up their noses, and some don't turn up at all.
*  BARACK OBAMA, on the 100th day of his administration, town hall meeting, Arnold (Missouri), 29 April 2009:
The answer to our problems will ultimately be found in the character of the American people.
{Remember Shakespeare -- the answers are not in the stars, they're in ourselves.}
*  Sent this but don't know who said it:
Education at its best offers a series of enchantments with each enchantment raising the student to a higher level of awareness, understanding and compassion.

Remember the question in the last WVM?
Did you hear about the physicist who's taking a vacation?
                He's going on a fission trip.........
Well, a WVM subscriber replied:
As the astronomer would say about your physicist remark,
                "You can't be Sirius!"