~~~ Merry Christmas! Happy New Year! Holy Epiphany! ~~~
No Ccl mtg until January 13!
MAIN ITEMS: Div Services Review: Fire/Rescue Pt 3; 2014 BUDGET UPDATE; Cmnty Ctr Tennis Courts & Parking;
= YOUR OPINION (cell towers); Vive le Canada; from the EDITOR'S DESK; UPDATES & INFO
= CALENDAR to ~ Jan 16th: CULTUREWATCH (Theatre; Art; Music, Ballet, Festivals); NATURE (Walk)
= HEADSUP 2014-01a: Events, Calendar, Nature Walk, Bird Count, Flamborough Head Heritage
= Ccl Mtg NOTES Dec 16th: 1495 Clyde; 1412 Mathers; 2hr cell tower debate; Whyte Lake; PSB; poem at end
= CCL AGENDA Jan 13
= ANIMALWATCH (Planarian -- grow your head back, and with your memory!); INFObits (12 days of Christmas; Harbin Ice Festival; Killing in Iraq increases; Christian Exodus, etc); HOLY EPIPHANY; ROYALWATCH (Queen's Christmas Day Msg); BOOKWATCH (Maclean's -- more 2013 Best Books: ); WORDWATCH (OccuPalestine); HERITAGEWATCH (+ MUSEUMWATCH; Flamborough Head Mtg); MAIKU (102nd Birthday); QTNS/THOUGHTS/PUNS
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Your opinion please:
Wd you prefer three cell towers (each taking the place of 20) or 60 below 50ft, wch wd not have to come to Ccl?
(See GP's comments p13 and Cclr Cam's thoughtful analysis p14) Write to celltowers@westvan.org
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== Vive le CANADA ===
+ from http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/01/03/econowatch-reasons-for-optimism-in-2014/
Econowatch: Reasons for optimism in 2014 by Jason Kirby on Friday, January 3, 2014
Three reasons for optimism; Three reasons to run for the hills; Stock Signs
For the first time in a long time, you don’t have to be an optimist to see the glass as half-full. The recovery has finally taken hold.’
Mark Carney, Canada’s former top central banker, offering an update view of the future in recent speeches. As the governor of the Bank of England, Carney now holds the lever to Britain’s monetary policy.
+ from http://www2.macleans.ca/2014/01/03/rick-mercer-on-politics/
Rick Mercer on what’s to come in 2014: Stephen Harper will resign by macleans.ca on Friday, January 3, 2014
=== from the EDITOR'S DESK ===
Lots of celebrations to end the year including my healthy mother's 102nd birthday.
Followed by my coughing, sneezing, wheezing, etc keeping me abed so had to miss New Year's Eve party and the Polar Bear Swim, alas. Catch up and jump forward with combined last and first. A v Happy New Year to all of you!
=== UPDATES & INFO ===
Whole Foods Market has some great events happening this January:
+ Whole Foods Market: 5% Day for CTC International
Thursday January 9 from 7am 10pm where 5% of all sales will benefit CTC Int'l. Founded 10 years ago by constructing a school, CTC Int'l is now the largest employer in Maai Mahiu, which has a popn of 60,000. CTC focuses on five specific needs: education, economy, environment, health, and community. So, stop by Whole Foods Market to support this very worthy cause!
+ Whole Foods Market Health Fair
Drop by on Wednesday January 15 from noon 5pm for tips and advice from their partners on how to get the most from your food. Set yourself up for a healthy 2014!
=== CALENDAR to January 17th ===
All mtgs are at M Hall unless indicated otherwise. NOTE: shown are mtgs known at date of writing; often there are additions, changes, cancellations after WVM goes out. Check the DWV Calendar: http://www.westvancouver.ca/events . Notices/mtgs/changes too late/early for an issue are sent to subscribers. [Headsup/Notices sent between issues. Subscribe! write subscribewvm@westvan.org]
ABBREVIATIONS, ACRONYMS, INITIALISMS puzzling you?
See: http://www.westvan.org/glossary/
http://www.dundaravefestival.com/
= Saturday January 4
ISLAND PACIFIC SCHOOL CHRISTMAS TREE CHIP-UP Cost: TBD
~ 9am - 3pm ~ Fisherman's Cove, 5776 Marine Drive, WV
= Saturday January 4, Sunday January 5
NORTH SHORE SCOUTS CHRISTMAS TREE CHIP-UP
~ 10am - 4pm ~ Hollyburn Plaza, Marine & 18th
Cost: By donation. All proceeds benefit various scout programs.
= Sunday January 5
NATURE WALK & BIRD COUNT {Headsup 2014-01a}
= Tuesday January 7
~ 7pm ~ Upper Lands Study Review WG; Cmnty Ctr (Cedar Rm)
= Wednesday January 8
~ 1pm ~ Invasive Plants WG
~ 7pm ~ NSh Historical Society re Flamborough Head (see details in Heritage Section}
= Friday January 10
~ 8:30am ~ Awards Cmte mtg at Cmnty Ctr (Cedar Rm)
~ 10am ~ Cmnty Grants Cmte mtg at Cmnty Ctr (Cedar Rm)
= Tuesday January 14
~ 6:30 - 8pm ~ West Bay Park Open House at West Bay Elementary School 3175 Thompson Place
West Bay Park is a small but significant waterfront park that is in need of some improvements. In June 2013 the District consulted the cmnty on their preferences for the park. Staff incorporated the public input together with technical information to develop a vision for the park. Find out about the draft plan.
= Wednesday January 15
~ 7 - 9pm ~ Info Mtg -- Evelyn by Onni, Parcel 3 in St David's Church gym, 1525 Taylor Way
= Thursday January 16
~ 6:30 - 8pm ~ PROPOSED 2014 BUDGET OPEN HOUSE at the Srs' Ctr
Details, how it affects you, and the services you value, and how prop assessments and other taxing authorities impact your tax bill. Presentation starts at 6:30pm. A Q&A session will follow.
~ 7pm ~ Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr Adv Cmte at GCC
+++ WV MEMORIAL LIBRARY +++ http://www.westvanlibrary.ca
Best book of 2013 contest -- just checked and website says winner will be announced soon
+++ WV MUSEUM +++ 925 7295 http://westvancouvermuseum.ca/exhibitions/current_exhibition
-- January 10 to March 22 -- Ukiyoe Spectacular Japanese Woodblock Prints from the 1800s
This exhibition celebrates the 125th anniversary of consular relations between Canada and Japan, and also gives an opportunity for visitors to see the visual and technical sophistication of this unique Japanese art form.
Opening Reception with Shinich Inagaki: January 9 Thursday 6 - 9pm (Remarks at 7pm)
ALSO:
At the Nikkei National Museum 6688 Southoaks Crescent, Burnaby
Talk by Shinichi Inagaki: January 11 Saturday 2 - 3pm
Opening Reception: January 11 from 3 - 5pm. Exhibition Dates: Jan 11 to March 23
+++ FERRY BUILDING GALLERY +++ http://ferrybuildinggallery.com ~ 925 7290
~~~ January 7 to 26 Natural Energy: Mixed Media Landscapes
Anne Marie Calder, Sheree Jones, Neil MacDonald & Ross Munro
Opening Reception: Tuesday January 7th from 6 - 8pm & Meet the Artists: Saturday January 11th from 2 - 3pm
+++ SILK PURSE +++ http://silkpurse.ca/exhibitions/ 925 7292
~~~ January 7 28
Flow: a series of brushless painted works by Cory Kinney
Flow’ is painter Cory Kinney’s direct response to the very soggy environment we live in, here on the Pacific Northwest Coast. The shiny “wetness on his paintings’ surfaces also suggests how easily the manufactured vision for our natural world can wash away. Pouring paint & medium on the canvas creates a plasticized appearance, akin to the idealized visions of our landscape seen in advertising. Underneath that veneer is raw wilderness expressed in the loose, vibrant paint application & the use of plaster & pumice stone for texture, reminding us that the beauty and raw power of our wilderness is still there just waiting to burst through.
Opening reception: Tuesday January 7th from 6 to 8pm
+++ KAY MEEK CENTRE +++ http://www.kaymeekcentre.com/on_stage/events_calendar
Simplest
way to get on email list, call
913 3634
(also for tix) or email tickets@kaymeekcentre.com
Driving
Miss Daisy
starts January 13
+++ ROYAL CANADIAN LEGION BRANCH 60, WV http://westvan60.com Ofc 922 3587 Lounge: 922 1920
DECEMBER CALENDAR OF EVENTS
MEAT DRAWS EVERY SATURDAY AT 4:30 PM
Thursday Dec 26 BINGO in the Lounge at 5:30pm
Tuesday December 31 -- New Year's Eve Party: Dance the night away with the Alley Cats
Party Favours, Light appetizers and champagne tickets $20
JANUARY CALENDAR OF EVENTS
MEAT DRAWS EVERY SATURDAY AT 4:30 PM
7pm FRIDAY JANUARY 10 Karaoke in the lounge
6pm Friday January 17 -- mini meat draw
+++ WV CHAMBER of COMMERCE + 926 6614 + http://www.westvanchamber.com
reopens January 2nd
=== CULTUREWATCH ===
NB: It takes hours to try to make this somewhat comprehensive, so apologies this isn't and probably won't be in 2014. Besides, there are so many events/activities celebrating New Year's. Have a good one!
* THEATRE
+ ARTS CLUB -- http://www.artsclub.com -- box office at 687 1644
Mary Poppins, the Broadway Musical, adapted from the Disney film at Stanley Industrial Nov 7 - Jan 5
+ METRO THEATRE metrotheatre.com 266 7191
Deathtrap by Ira Levin, a thriller about a playwright who enlists help of gifted amateur. Jan 11 - Feb 8
+ JERICHO ARTS CTR 224 8007 x 3 jerichoartscentre.com Jan 3 to 12
Rebel Women, guest production by Vital Spark Theatre; swept up in a maelstrom that will shape democracy.
- 2pm matinees and 8pm evening shows Talk back night: Thursday Jan 9th
Matinees: Sat Jan 11th; Sun Jan 12th (no evening performance on this date) Tix: $18 - $22
+ THE CULTCH 251 1363 thecultch.com
- Jack and the Beanstalk: an East Van Panto, written by Charles Demers (of CBC's The Debaters fame), starring Allan Zinyk (of Bard on the Beach fame); various times Dec 4 - 29
++ BLACKBIRD THEATRE & THE CULTCH
present Chekhov's UNCLE VANYA
A timeless Russian masterwork of improbable love, yearning & folly Dec 23 to Jan 18
A pledge from Blackbird Theatre:
A small, but crucial subplot concerns the deforestation of Russia’s forests and the long-term negative effects of human-wrought change on ecosystems. In recognition of its importance to the play, and of Chekhov’s visionary position as a proto-environmentalist, Blackbird Theatre has pledged to plant one tree for every ticket sold to the production through Trees for the Future. -- http://www.treesforthefuture.org
+ DEEP COVE SHAW THEATRE
Red Riding Hood, a Christmas panto 929 3200 deepcovestage.com Dec 18 - Jan 4
+ THEATRICAL PRODUCTION -- cavalia.net/en/odysseo
Cavalia's Odysseo -- under the white big top, Olympic Village; 63 horses, 47 artists
marries the equestrian arts, stage arts, and high-tech theatrical effects Dec 7 - Jan 5
* ART
+ VANCOUVER ART GALLERY http://www.vanartgallery.bc.ca/events_and_programs/calendar_of_events.html
Coming Exhibitions: for details: http://www.vanartgallery.bc.ca/the_exhibitions/upcoming_exhibitions.html ]
~ NB: VAG Mbrs receive 20% off admission to the Royal BC Museum in Victoria when you show your Gallery Mbrshp card.
For more info contact Member Services at membership@vanartgallery.bc.ca or 604 662 4711.
Emily Carr in Haida Gwaii ~ Jul 20 to Mar 9 ~ http://www.vanartgallery.bc.ca/the_exhibitions/exhibit_carr_haida.html
EXHIBITIONS: > KIMSOOJA Unfolding - to Jan 26, 2014 > Charles Edenshaw --to Feb 2, 2014
>>> EMILY CARR: Deep Forest. Forty forest paintings from the 1930s
* MUSIC
+ OPERA PRO CANTANTI 340 8545
Un Ballo in Maschera by Verdi at Cambrian Hall procantanti.com 7pm Sunday Jan 12
+ VANCOUVER SYMPHONY ORCHESTRA 876 3434 http://www.vancouversymphony.ca/calendar/
Beethoven: A concert featuring some of Beethoven's finest works including the Ruins of Athens and movements from his 5th and 7th symphonies; Christopher Gaze, host. 2pm Thursday Jan 9
+ EARLY MUSIC VANCOUVER 732 1610 earlymusic.bc.ca
Weber's clarinet quintet and string quartets by Haydn and Beethoven; Vancouver Playhouse; 8pm Sat Jan 11
+ VANCOUVER RECITAL SOCIETY
Works by Bach, Kuwahara, Ravel, de Falla, and Bartok, plus one by Avi Avital (mandolin) with Michael Brown (piano), Vancouver Playhouse 602 0363 vanrecital.com 3pm Sunday January 12
* FESTIVALS/LIGHTS
o Bright Nights in Stanley Park -- more than 3M twinkling lights transform the forest and train areas of Stanley Park, plus live entertainment, animated displays, and more until Jan 5
o Festival of Lights at VanDusen Conservatory vandusengarden.org Dec 11 to Jan 4 from 4:30 to 9pm
o Karaoke Christmas Lights Trolley Tour; singalong, stops at Stanley Park's Bright Nights and
VanDusen Festival of Lights 801 5515 vancouvertrolley.com Dec 11 to 30
o Canyon Lights: 100 of 1000s of lights adorn rainforest canopy, Suspension Bridge, Cliffwalk, + world's tallest Christmas tree (and more). Capilano Suspension Bridge 985 7474 capbridge.com 11am - 9pm until Jan 4
NATURE
Sunday January 5th
Title: Wonderful wetlands -- A Discovery Walk for Stanley Park Ecology Society
Trip leader: David Cook
Meeting time & location: 1:30pm at Lost Lagoon Nature House, Stanley Park. Duration of walk: Two hours
Description of walk: Walk the paths of Beaver Lake with a biologist and discover how wetlands play a vital role as the kidneys, gills, and lungs of natural ecosystems. Beaver Lake exhibits a variety of wetland types. Learn about the characteristics and ecology of each. You will also learn about the proposed enhancement plan for Beaver Lake which has the objective of halting the succession of the lake back to forest and maintaining it as a functional wetland.
Registration & further info: Registration required. Contact me at cookeco2@yahoo.com or 924-0147 to register.
Cost: $5 for mbrs of the Stanley Park Ecology Society, students, and seniors; $10 for non-mbrs.
=== Headsup 2014-01a 4 January, 2014 8:14:36 AM PST
having been sick in bed for almost a week, everything is topsy turvy but thought I shd let you know about WV activities/events/mtgs about to happen/end.
Apologies for anything missed.
Catch this?
o Bright Nights in Stanley Park -- more than 3M twinkling lights transform the forest and train areas of Stanley Park, plus live entertainment, animated displays, and more until Jan 5
CALENDAR
= Saturday January 4 to January 8 (inclusive) now in Calendar section
NATURE
Sunday January 5th Wonderful Wetlands; A Discovery Walk for Stanley Park Ecology Society {see end of CultureWatch}
BIRD COUNT
Would you be interested in helping to count birds on January 5? Marja De Jong Westman is arranging the annual bird count for West Vancouver and part of the Sunshine Coast. If you would like to help, do contact her.
Thanks so much, and wishing you all a very Merry Christmas and all the best for 2014!
Daphne
{poster had bird pix :-) }
Lower Howe Sound Christmas Bird Count... Sunday January 5th...from dawn until dusk
Birdwatchers needed from Brunswick Beach to Caulfeild Cove up into Cypress Provincial Park’s forests on the mainland...and across the seas to Bowen Island, Keats Island into Gibson’s Landing. We welcome both experienced birders and novices to walk the “trails .
Or if you prefer to count at home, you can submit a bird list from your backyard feeder.
WHO to call? Email? Marja de Jong Westman 604 921 3382; mdjw@telus.net
HERITAGE
Topic: Flamborough Head stern and Shipyard Development {moved to Heritage section}
Happy New Year!
=== CCL MTG NOTES === e&oe
ABBREVIATIONS, ACRONYMS, INITIALISMS puzzling you? See: http://www.westvan.org/glossary
Re transcript: ... (gap); xxx (words missing); &&& (noteworthy; shd get); timestamps so you can find on the video
NB: unless I know the person, names are best guesses. In my desire to get this out, rather truncated and not as complete as desired. As they say, the perfect is the enemy of the good -- and, alas, this has many gaps, but it does give you more of what went on than you ever see in the ccl minutes. :-) Alas, sometimes I intend to listen to the video to get more and don't. Sorry.
=== CCL MTG NOTES Monday Dec 16 ===
=== SPECIAL CCL MTG NOTES ===
Note: At 5pm the sp Ccl mtg will commence in open session in the MFCR and will be immediately followed by a motion to exclude the public in order to hold a closed session, pursuant to section 90 of the Community Charter. At 7pm the reg Ccl mtg will commence in the Council Chamber.
5:00PM
1. Call to Order.
EXCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC
2. RECOMMENDED: THAT in the public interest, mbrs of the public be excluded ... under the following...:
90. (1) A part of a council meeting may be closed if ... relates to or is one or more of the following:
(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee, or agent of the municipality or another position appointed by the municipality;
(c) labour relations or other employee relations
(e) the acquisition, disposition, or expropriation of land or improvements, if the council considers that disclosure cd reasonably be expected to harm the interests of the municipality;
(k) negotiations and related discussions respecting the proposed provision of a M service that are at their preliminary stages and that, in the view of the ccl, cd reasonably be expected to harm the interests of the M if they were held in public;
Purpose of meeting: proposed provision of a M service, personnel, board/cmte applications, and land matters
3. ADJOURNMENT (of open session)
=== REGULAR CCL MTG NOTES December 16 ===
For On-Table Items Please See Items 3, 5, 6, 12, 14.13, and 15.1
7:00 PM
1. Call to Order.
Mayor (pointing to clock in Chamber): Call mtg to order; I know that says 6:58, but here, we go by my watch and
it says 7 o'clock. We're starting the mtg.
2. Approval of Agenda
CC: amended by:
adding to Item 3 the December 2, 2013 special and regular Council meeting meeting minutes;
adding to Item 5 correspondence item C-1 and report R-2 regarding Development Permit Application No. 13-037 for 1495 Clyde Avenue Revised Landscape Plans;
adding to Item 6 correspondence item C-1 re Devt Variance Permit Applicn No. 13-051 for 1412 Mathers Avenue;
moving Items 8, 9, and 10 to the Consent Agenda;
adding page 6 to Item 12 report regarding Public Safety Building: Public Tendering of the North Parking Lot;
withdrawing Item 13 regarding Public Safety Building: Recommended Exterior Facade and Landscape Design;
adding to the Consent Agenda a report regarding Summary of Town Hall Mtgs regarding Cell Tower Applications;
adding to Item 15 Item 15.1 regarding correspondence;
Mayor, looking at MB: You want to add something to the agenda?
add to Other Items.
CC: to Consent Agenda
Mayor: I'll be reprimanded by Ms Scholes
SSch: and what is the item?
MB: ???
[CDN'T HEAR] {the sound system is quite frustrating; often hard to hear}
ML: " "
Mayor: absolutely not
CC: Cclr Booth an addn
Mayor: in the interests of time; approved with the addn; aligns with the procedure?
call the question
3. Adoption of Council Meeting Minutes Meeting minutes to be provided.
o November 25, 2013 special and regular Council meetings;
o December 2, 2013 special and regular Council meetings. {links now}
REPORTS
4. Reports from Mayor and Councillors on Boards, Committees, and Working Groups
Mayor: Cclr Gam
NG: Well. And my microphone is on, organized!
we don't get to talk about work in our Environmental Sustainability Dept; some ppl have asked me about it
highlight foot of 18th; energy assessmts
Blue Bus
since last mtg [7:04]
magical Christmas tour; Inglewood
Mayor: announcement re 'materials'; recycling; packaging and printed paper; residential colln
Nov 13 proceeding to accept
terminated with 180 days' notice
attended annual Rotary Christmas lunch at Srs' Ctr
well [done?], thx to Rotary
5. Devt Permit Applicn No. 13-037 for 1495 Clyde (File: 1010-20-13-037) Schedule A
[LB?]:At the Nov 18 reg mg Ccl received the report dated October 30, 2013 to set the date for consideration for December 16, 2013.Staff recommendation is to approve -- you've received plans
three-storey mixed use bldg 1.75??
parking: 11 resid and 5 in rear
density bonusing $174K CAC
a number of variances; ht roof-top 2 mezzanine -- as storey
variances to achieve
17 to 16 spaces, rest two ea, parking reqmt met ??? ... app
PRESENTATION BY APPLICANT
Fred: v small site; challenge for parking; tried to come up with a design to meet
DRC once and they approved it; public info mtg two wks ago
didn't see any comments opposing the proj
[7:13] SLIDES
w/ explanation [7:19]
Mayor: I heard you said you'd be brief....
Harrison: I'll describe
tried to enhance the streetscape, ev within the guidelines, but is an adaptation
Mayor: does that conclude?
H: looked
Lisa Berg: enough if you
Mayor: Sokol, some concerns?
Sokol: DRC re traffic circulation; Ms Berg can answer
LB: applicant made some minor adjustments; moved entrance over a bit
meets reqmts for aisle width; complies with xxx parking
manoeuvring within the parkade
small traffic island restrict to right avoids having to put a median down the street
Sop: trees on 15th, London planes -- absolutely stunning in summertime
have to be removed
wrt trees, strikes me odd, at the end of their life or dangerous trees with devt
trees replace will take years
[7:24] &&&
ev time we get a devt, trees along blvd going to be removed?
Sokol: trees won't always be removed to accommodate devt; evaluated on a case by case basis
{echo Sop's sentiment; funny how trees apparently are suddenly old or dangerous when removing them facilitates a devt....}
number of things we're trying to accomplish
Mayor: finished?
Sop: are you rushing me?
Mayor: I never rush you
[chuckles]
Sop: at least 6ft over allowed so why not consider a four-storey house in the first place?
using xxx to get
37ft limit and this is 43 something
one-storey, two-storey, three-storey, four if a larger lot
LB: you're technically correct
xxx; applicn started out quite large, so four storeys
having only xxx two/four? mezzanine
they are 6ft over ht, in the variance
adds character to the bldg and a &&&?
Sop: ever say stuck at 37ft
LB: we did
CC: letter from nbring landowner; challenge is parking
have heard some changes but no one wd describe this as anything but xxx
2/3 bldg looking at a parking lot, not ideal
by same token, have a four-storey neither fish nor fowl
will look like a four-storey, if anywhere, this wd be
north, xxx &&& to the ??? [7:29]
we have a partial four-storey and an inadequate parking situation
wdn't it be prudent to have a one-storey of underground parking thereby having more than xxx parking
value to the owner by adding two units on the fourth floor?
LB: are you asking did they consider a second level of underground parking?
CC: .... more from a staff level
LB: ev counts in calcs
cdn't have a fourth floor b/c at max of FAR
{hm. interesting. so is she saying since four floors not allowed, the top floor will be called a mezzanine???}
don't think with grades, if enough room
architect can
Architect: v narrow
no undergrd parking due to the size of the lot
if from the lane, xxxx if Clyde, wd take away 20ft
didn't dare to go undergrd and four storeys
respect the ht, quality of the bldg
this site almost impossible four storeys with this width
wrt parking, width of the aisle, almost 26ft and bylaw requires 21ft; haven't sketch here but shows ev calc[?]
only 11 parking here and five there
tried hard; started in 2011
almost impossible to have a four-storey bldg
believe we've kept the view corridor; kept 1.75
economically, not physical {?}
ML: not concerned about the bldg but about building in general; 15th a busy, busiest, street, Clyde also busy
get approval tonight, how long the building period?
LB: must submit a traffic plan; not sure of construction dates; wd hv to ask
Ans: construction to be about one year; ten mos
we'll meet with Planning Dept re terms of noise, hauling away the material and excavation
ML: am concerned about the construction interval
NG: letter re digging not damage prop next door
LB: xxx
NG: wd someone pls tell us what happened at the public info mtg?
LB: four mbrs of the public showed up
NG: re LEED silver or higher, why not higher? LEED silver is totally outdated
LB: numbers [7:37]
we're just below gold; we're v close, 60 is gold and we're 57
NG: wd really like to see that
re height; devpr's drawings always appear so pretty
[points to drawing on wall]
this looks, and this looks same
Ans: can't speak for this one, but can for this; this is lower
this rendering is really an impression really, they have the scale
at this point, I don't really know how accurate this rendering is
{then why shown for Ccl and the public? no obligation to be accurate? Planning doesn't verify to make sure the drawings correctly reflect what Ccl is making a decision about? Public can tell if they agree with wanting/allowing the changes requested?}
staff/or: there's also a scale model
NG: am I allowed to get up and look at it now?
Someone: can't block the cameras
TP: if I look at the guidelines
if 37ft, can go ahead and do
if looking for a better design I xxxx
can this devt be done without the mezzanines?
LB: we've had a lot of discussions with the applicant
they arrived at a compromise between patios, view perspectives, cutting back so not appear as a storey
not remove mezzanine entirely
TP: so really about making it a better place to live
MB: variance was 6ft, 2m; is that a full height of a floor? any living space in there?
LB: not really, opens into....
MB: top two units
LB: two western
what floor hts on mezzanine area?
Addad: this line shows WALL DRAWING -- [pointing]
49ft
bottom 3, 10 and 10, so mezzanine floor is roof 39ft -- 68 ft
sorry, ht is 37, we're about 4ft lower than xxx
if mezzanine not there, goes to marketability
sq ftg, open kitchen and ...
this one is 1181 xxx if we lost that 390 sq ft [7:44}
MB: go back to staff
ht of mezz is 6ft
so 37 is
plus 6 so 43?
LB: 11ft over height by 6
Mayor: more questions? go to motion?
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT none
MB moved: THAT all written and oral submissions regarding DPA for 1495 Clyde up to and including the Ccl mtg held on Dec 16 be received for information.
{CARRIED}
MB moved: THAT DPA No. 13-037 for 1495 Clyde, wch wd allow for the construction of a three-storey mixed-use building, with variances to the Zoning Bylaw and parking requirements, including the revised landscape plans, be approved.
Sop: point of order
how can they claim a three-storey bldg when it's actually four storeys technically? How can you put that in a motion? It's a four-storey bldg
Mayor: asked clarification; Mr Sokol or Ms Berg, can you comment? what are we approving? three or four storeys?
Sokol: it's a three-storey bldg with a zoning bylaw variance that allows for a mezzanine or a fourth floor, so if Ccl wants to say a four-storey bldg, that's fine [7:47]
[laughter in gallery]
{no wonder being asked. What double-speak! a way to get around the OCP limit of three storeys?
how 'fancy' -- but you might use another term.}
Mayor: the motion says it's a three-storey mixed-use bldg, so that's what we're voting on; any discussion? had a lot
{several cclrs spoke but not able to hear them -- the sound system again} Cclr Booth, anything else to add? Lewis?
Sop: I think it's a way of getting around, maximizing the bldg; don't object to a devpr trying to get that, but this is precedent-setting for the block
{he's right!}
we stated categorically that we'd keep Ambleside low except for three sites -- rest, entire six blocks, wd be one two three storeys at 37ft and a fourth storey if it was wide enough -- that's the bylaws, that's the law
and here we are, with a variance that winds its way into a three-storey bldg but actually a four-storey bldg
I'm not supporting it; precedent-setting for the block and other areas; I'm not supporting it; it'll be [inching?] up and up, and we'll be at five- and six-storeys all over the place and I will not have that in this cmnty.
[yay and APPLAUSE]
Mayor: well, that was certainly a popular comment
Sop: I'll go have a drink after that one!
LAUGHTER
TP: guess I'm going to be unpopular
if I look at 4.2, Amb village strategy; wch is why I asked the question, there are design guidelines, allow us discretion if we feel design superior
the fourth floor is set back, applicant has done a good job and staff pushed for that so in my mind met our guidelines so I will be supporting this
I know, no clapping
CC: I wish the concern for ht was present a couple weeks ago from Cclr Sop
[some snickers]
that's by the by, someone's found religion late in the day
what we're talking about here is 370sq ft on a fourth storey, not talking about a seven-storey bldg, 30Ksq ft; let's take this in context; same ht as Sager bldg, not blocking anybody's view, not setting any precedents that are not set across the street
{hm; of course built by someone else long ago but seem to recall someone said it had variances b/c didn't comply with OCP or zoning and somehow got through with no parking spots -- hardly an example to be followed}
we hear constantly from residents and landowners that there are too many barriers to make redevt of smaller lots feasible
challenges for smaller sites, parking, ofc on second floor and the like
asked to relax some of these things to get some urban renewal
heard for months ppl want Amb to be renewed
here a builder not asking for the moon, a small 370sf to make a fourth floor livable to go up and have dinner instead of covered by gravel containing air-conditioning units
seems absurd we argue over details such as this, when larger moves are made without a plan
this is minor for me, devpr has made all efforts, staff, DRC unanimously supportive; in light of all those things I support
NG: ditto to ev my colleague has said wrt fourth storey
talking about a small portion, not an entire storey, about 1/4 of the roof so not the same thing as a storey
IMO doesn't set a precedent; a variance for a small portion of the top of the roof
.... much uglier, not useful for habitation; I don't love the design, not my prop and I'm not an architect
have LEED higher b/c imp to this cmnty
Mayor: recomm by staff, unanimous DRC, rooftop patios to add to quality of life
Variance Motion CARRIES with Sop opposed [ 7:54]
6. Devt Variance Permit Applicn No. 13-051 for 1412 Mathers (File: 1010-20-13-051) Schedule A
At the Nov 18 reg mtg Ccl received the report dated October 29, to set the date for consideration for Dec16
Sokol: ...
Sop: are you aware turned down several times?
{read the letter with the history in Corresp below (section ending Dec 20, number 13):
http://westvancouver.ca/sites/default/files/dwv/council-correspndence/2013/December/13dec20.pdf
As Sop says, turned down over and over -- why recommended now by Planning? what's the reason allowing, even recommending, when previously not allowed b/c didn't comply with bylaws/OCP?}
Sokol: corner of Mathers and 14th; two lots consolidated in 1976, and here we have 37 years later, owner interested in resubdividing them back to two
when survey done, found 8cm, 3.1 inches, each {short}
providing 3m sideyard, above required; to make it look standard as if one 30m lot... [7:57]
Sop: says this lot came forth many times -- know how many? three, four, to have the lot divided and turned down by the M every time. What's the difference now?
Sokol: not in the staff report, from a letter--
Sop: --better still
{won't debate that, however someone shd hv checked to see if the resident was correct or not; here we're left hanging. To prevent this is exactly why the new CAO has agendas coming forth more than a week ahead so questions cd be asked and answered before the ccl mtg.}
Sokol: no record, not aware of any past applicns on this lot
in 2010, a similar lot at 19th and Mathers came to Ccl and Ccl approved a variance
Mayor: so we'd have two smaller homes, instead of one large
Sokol: that's correct
{hm -- but it cd have two monster homes on small lots.... not to mention loss of greenery}
PRESENTATION BY APPLICANT
CALL FOR PUBLIC INPUT
Mayor: We'll have to ask for a motion
{inaudible but someone on Ccl reminds the mayor that public input next}
Mayor: sorry; anyone from public?
Ina Leeman: Can I just say a word? I live around the corner
Mayor: yes, pls state your name
on Lawson our lot wdn't be allowed today b/c ours 49.8ft
IL: I don't have any objection to that as a nbr
v small reduction of the usual size; as a former planner, don't believe zoning shd be a strait-jacket
Mayor: thank you for making those comments. Anyone else?
ML made motion, seconded by TP:
THAT all written and oral submissions ... be received for information.
CARRIED
Then, seconded by CC:: DVP Applicn 1412 Mathers, for a variance to minimum lot width for two proposed new lots, be approved.
CC: to be clear, we're approving a variance of 8cm
[some giggles]
and I've said before and will say again. I plead with you, Mr Sokol, to bring forward some policy changes whereby Ccl does not need to decide variances that are shorter than the length of a pencil, -- an old pencil, even a golf pencil
Sokol: yes, I'm well aware of that concern, however the LGA is v clear that variances to the zoning bylaw, without some v tight restrictions, must be made by Ccl or by a Bd of Variance
CC: then perhaps the Bd of Variance wd like to hash over these 8cm variances
ML: quick comment; I'm sure like other mbrs of Ccl, drove by and looked at this site -- the lane, Lawson
basically we're mirroring ev to the south; I see no reason no to approve
NG: so that was going to be my point
add, may have two small homes of 2500sf in keeping with the rest rather than one much larger, double that size, not appropriate wch probably wd be more upsetting to the ppl across the street who wrote the letter
Sop: even a small lot you can put a monster house on it; so sitting pretty with two smaller houses is not always the way it ends up; there are example houses so massive take up entire site
{exactly!}
[8:01] food for thought; move along
Mayor: we are going to get recommendations, coming forward from our Planning Dept, addressing house size; is that not correct?
Sokol: housing bulk and nbrhd character Feb March public outreach, hope to report back to Ccl early spring with amendments to the zoning bylaw to address those issues
[VARIANCE PASSED]
7. Consideration of three applications by Rogers Communications for cell towers within the Highway 1 right-of-way -- Appendix F
Town Hall Meeting Summaries, October 2 and October 16, 2013
staff intro?:
background
St David's United Church in June; two town ...
now hand over to applicant
Mayor: okay, going to hear from Rogers
Darren Hurd: all telco companies scrambling to build more sites
two years ago.... local govt had no idea of what was coming [8:05]
ev company working on its own; proliferation of unsightly xxx
Rogers tried to adjust
money might be the reason on the mtn? well, it wd have been cheaper and less [controversial] and believe me wd have
app the &&&
to meet the wireless needs
believe we have a better design and process, better [in future] &&&
metrics v differ we use and you use,
demand is not going away and will continue to get worse.
NAME?: process with DWV
District wanted a way to control proliferation
no one knew what was coming down the pike
address the urban realm
architects don't think ev needs to be designed: disc what and what left alone
growing urban prob; shd be addressed in xxx stage
ability to host three on one structure
SLIDES bulk at base of tower so no fenced cages and cabinets
SLIDE pinch point near 26th; view analysis
use topographic info and plotted ht of tower and did it at all three sites; 15th St, TWay
in summary -- we had two clients, Rogers's clients and residents of the District
Mayor: remind ev we have had two large public hearings {think he means mtgs}
many signed up to speak again so urge be as tight as possible
go to first name we have on list uh, just had a brain cramp, our MP, John Weston
{applause}
JW: call me anything, just don't call me late for dinner
other [places, cities, provs, countries] this wd happen behind closed doors
despite forgetting my name, want to give great recognition to you, Mayor& Ccl, I think you deserve tremendous commendation however you vote on this
way you engaged ppl, mtgs you held, high regard in transparency and democracy, makes me proud to be resident of WV; thank you for that
not saying that just b/c it's Christmas time
in his capacity as Industry Minister, MP James Moore, has been here in the riding; he's aware of both sides
as mbr, my role, meet with citizens, Rogers, tried to keep briefed
[8:13] attended first of those large townhall mtgs
anxiously awaiting results of your mtg this evening and what prov decides
one thing is really clear, in a fast-moving era not able to understand all the issues engg, safety, health .....
trust is really the key and comes about by good process, receiving notice transparent and designed to inform, time to prepare, and the kind of public mtgs you've had here
Again congratulations and Merry Christmas
Mayor: thank you and I only forgot your name v temporarily
Lady: happiness of senior years, need all these tools and things
Eva Lyman and lived in WV for 36 years
electro xxx refused meter
cell towers cd be more; in kill-zone of 500m
higher 7km from cell towers
given mbrs of Ccl copies of this study [listed all the countries]
hope you can peruse those before you vote
non-ionizing????
down regulate xxx chronic diseases follow
is that what we want for WV? I sure don't
these studies are only wrt cancer
another thing; what about liability?
FCC: and I quote
" RF radiation injuries ...." CWSB
Mayor: going to have to wrap up, everyone limited to three minutes
EL: hope you will listen to the ppl and not vote for this
Milt Foley: live in Coquitlam; involved in this since 1997? 1967
helped WV staff write legislation in 1997
not voluntary, imposed
19K studies; 2d carcinogen
285 agents in that category -- coffee and pickled vegetables [8:20] but others don't sound so &&&
xxx props also devalued
WHO -- studies industry-funded; agreed sufficient concern
[APPLAUSE]
Rona Tastel: Rosebery [8:22]
read report, weighted in favour of Rogers
why not supporting us for our xxx
We, the residents, are greatly concerned about the value of our props
xxx ahead, surely concern for the District, b/c less revenue
after xxx many mtgs/ppl [8:24]
1800 studies; Dr Daly steadfastly myopic; failed to show up to either of the public mtgs
residential areas not avoided
cycling route; 26th agreed at foot of xxx slope
timing summer when ppl were away
xxx outlooked? and discarded
we have it in writing that the School Bd was not informed, nor were the schools
how can that be ... vote no to ... and
[LOUD APPLAUSE]
Name?: glad to see democracy in action again
wrote to Minister Moore -- read from his letter: {listen! :-) }
working with the Ms; local residents central
incumbent on the wireless industry to take local xxx into account
Rogers is currently following the WV xxx
xxx; no official role for the fed govt; await the District's
having attended the first two -- were conducted by Rogers
recomm those mtgs handled by the Sch District
Mayor: apologize if pronounced incorrectly; your writing is v small
XxX: no problem
in WV since 1968
in last two mtgs, were ~400ppl opposing
150 feedback forms so total of ~550 opposed
back to [Rogers's] Report -- tel survey and 100 respondents
four questions, two of wch basically skewed in [Rogers's] favour
no mention of the structure, size, or locn
p7 there's a map
are these towers built to serve?
Mayor: you have to turn to address
{away from mic too hard to hear}
XX: understand from BPAHA
[8:30] not just voting for the present, voting for the future
[APPLAUSE]
Bill Richards: Dr, professor of [microbiology?], 2689 Rosebery
deleterious effects at the molecular level; level of radiation [8:32]
all is not well
chronic exposure is critical; produce cancer, stress protein synthesis
seems to be the mode to suppress scientists when they [8:33]
perfectly safe and then turns out opposite; look at tobacco and fought ev inch of the way
xxx
are the very ones who stand to make a lot of money
and those who caution, xxx and xxx [8:33]
do you care Rogers making $Bs, or more about those who live in vicinity to say nothing of those to come
Erica Ridger: mgr of M affairs for Wind Mobile; we are here to offer our support
thank Ccl and thoughtful &&&
we are fourth
new
still actively building our network; we care deeply about our cmnty, our customers
don't all accord
we wish all were invisible
?ffer; so much nuance; xxx
overall the wireless in Canada grown 1000% in last ten years
wish all cd be out of the way up the mtn signal strengths, where they live and use devices
wish to build out our network so work
these are our competitors -- minimize
presume no one wants .....
only b/c of customer demand wd we work for there to serve our customers in WV
woman spoke from chamber
missed name, woman [8:38]
concerns casually dismissed
long-term repercussions
not been met
xxx and wrong
26th -- affect view both inside and outside
wrt prop values, no doubt esp if in front of a living room window
xxx perhaps they'd like to buy us out at xxx assess
xxx and asbestos wasn't
cell phones for chn, tumours; production of EMR
applicant's process -- first mtg 100s but wd not talk with us
asked if want to see; said yes, and when I looked up, were being packed up
xxx; no Rogers logo, [so thought] regular junk mail
MP letter , same junk?-- envelope easily mistaken for junk
I disagree that xxx
send powerful msg to Ottawa
[APPLAUSE]
lady: not to repeat prev points, I'll go straight to p2
listen to... thank staff pt 2 in recomm
repetitive, repeats Dr Daly's.... don't need to go into that
if going to Industry Canada, wd ask for seiour? revisions
cover both sides of the argument and not xxx
Rogers had two years, and six mos for xxxx
time to vote no and be done with it
add a few
re ad in paper, so few saw it; I saw it b/c I asked Andrew Browne and he sent to me
wireless; not
urgently and drastically revised
with guidelines -- specifies shd avoid resident and schools and didn't
what not mention wanting height
did this follow guidelines?
ask that policy be made more robust
thank you for listening to our concerns tonight
[APPLAUSE]
Mayor: whatever Ccl passes will be sent to Ottawa
NL: report going to Industry Canada and Transport Canada will clearly state the motion and anything else Ccl wd like to add
Oxana: 2689 Rosebery
June 11 opened a letter and thought an ad, nbrs hadn't heard of it, threw it out
first open house June 13, sparsely [attended], June 18 a few more, deadline was July 8
timing -- ppl leaving
deliberate, limiting response
feel the same way about the timing of tonight's mtg
understand set twice before but b/c Rogers providing more info
four days ago -- holidays -- deja vu
had to cancel an engagement
feel again deliberate to make cmnty attendance [low?]
be sure followed to the letter but not truly engaging our cmnty
commend and thank Mayor & Ccl for organizing two mtgs
made me proud to be a mbr of this cmnty
I thank you xxx and urge you to support it
Mayor: Ms Scholes, Rogers wd not hv had any influence on scheduling of this mtg?
SSch: that is correct, Mr Mayor
MAN: reference to a report by some doctors in Germany within 400 m, increase cancer rates by 300%
in town of xxx in Germany
weren't any other RF emissions so cd xx over time
32 watts per hour; 320 ppl in area (400m zone)
[8:51] --were 9 cases over what expected
Cancer takes a long time to incubate
expect within five years ..... imagine after a life-time exposure... 20 - 30% in a lifetime
they're almost certain to get cancer
assume those results xxx
190K cell towers in the US
assume each 9 more that's [8:52]
hope you vote against this proposal
[applause]
{guessing name}: Salis Surret; 18 yrs old, went to WVHS; at U in Washington so came up
first day
giant [8:53]; not my idea of Xmas present
xxx "if deemed nec"
knowledge still incomplete so does it make sense to xxx?
in front of xxx schools [8:54]
won't have adverse effect; xxx
Rogers give a written guarantee no xxx to us or our chn; otherwise nothing more than lab rats
is this?
grew up in the most beautiful city in the world
[WILD APPLAUSE]
R Wald (?): cdn't speak before b/c illness of family mbr; don't like to make a comment without being informed
can I do it later?
Mayor: in Questions and Comments later
Dr David Chubb: short b/c you've heard from ev
took a walk today, Rogers report showed views; 1 - 6 where they took pictures, in your report
all on Tyrol Rd, not up on someone's deck; below Tyrol Rd down into someone's yard
all are a joke, you move a little bit over, nothing at the high level -- this was a total misrepresentation
I hope you vote no
[applause]
Essa Rappaport: thank you for having us all here
opposed to this along UL hwys
scientific evidence being a bit skewed.
influence of these towers long term -- insecticides, asbestos [8:59]
proliferate into our nbrhds
offer a petition of names in the lower Brit Props
major opposed, a nbr, 98
speak not just for me but for nbrs
representative of what you wd find if you went knocking door to door in WV
[applause]
> George Pajari: Your Worship, members of council.
I want to commend Council and staff on arriving at this point in a long process. The District deserves credit for developing a detailed, open, and inclusive public process. The staff report is excellent. It provides a clear exposition of the issues and what has transpired so far. In particular, staff correctly point out that the applicant has diligently and in good faith followed every requirement of the process you have mandated.
It states Rogers has engaged one of Canada’s leading architectural firms to design an elegant and thin structure that absolutely minimizes view impacts.
The report reminds Council that the emanations from these towers are lower than even the most stringent European limits. In fact, the report makes it clear that most of the objections you have received fall into categories that Industry Canada has said fall outside of your mandate to consider. They are issues for senior levels of govt.
One part of the report I do find puzzling, however, is the suggestion Council ought not to support these towers because they’re not needed.
Firstly, where in the process does it say Council will evaluate whether they’re needed?
I live near one of these proposed towers and I need it to get better service. Had I known this was a consideration I would have mentioned it at the Open House and in my letter. And so would others I suspect.
Secondly, no need for these towers? Does anyone seriously think Rogers is going to spend the better part of a million dollars on spec? On a guess? Hardly!
More importantly, let’s consider the alternative as identified in the staff report. Turning this down doesn’t mean no towers.
It means we’re probably going to get dozens and dozens of 49.5ft towers which are underneath the limit that makes them exempt from your consideration, exempt from any public process, and we’ll end up with telephone poles and exposed antenna structures from Taylor Way to Horseshoe Bay.
The demand for mobile data grows exponentially. Does anyone in this room think we’ll be safer with 60 short towers spread across our municipality instead of these three structures? Also, if having put one carrier through the wringer, [having] obtained what is sure to be an award-winning tower design, and still you turn it down, especially citing criteria that were never disclosed previously, who will ever want to work cooperatively with the District again? They'll build everything at that limit that does not require you to get involved.
We need these towers.
They will prevent a proliferation of towers.
They meet every reasonable requirement you have established.
The alternative is not no towers but dozens of shorter [uglier] towers. Who seriously thinks, if there are health risks, that there will be fewer of them with 60 towers instead of three?
Please send this decision up to the senior levels of government to resolve by acknowledging that the applicant has met every one of your requirements but that Council has no further comment one way or another. Thank you.
[the odd clap]
{Readers may have noted I have not expressed an opinion on the cell towers other than saying they ought not to decrease the value of residents' properties. I've been given scientific info for and against and am not able to evaluate. I heard the above comments for the first time at this mtg. I wd qualify the last sentence. I agree Ccl has to, that is the process, refer this to other levels of govt, however IMO Ccl, esp since it has provided time and welcomed citizen input, shd pass on the fact that mostly they have heard residents object and are unhappy with the three towers.}
Ellen Beveridge: demand... pls listen to demands
p8, not sure who consulting with but misses main points
close range and low power but why wd X say not on mtnside b/c wd interfere with [9:06]
a no vote from Ccl
[APPLAUSE]
name sounded like beeha: live, family of 7, on Camelot; residents for over 30 years
take issue with stmt in report xxx
cdnt find anything District have to take Health Canada
clearly controversial; fed govt not always correct on all issues
cell towers above and below 15ft
{15 metres}
shd not hv bn given the extraordinary weight
once residents find enough uninformed residents
&&&; my husband, myself [sic], and two infant chn, lived in NY; left Manhattan to escape effects of asthma
urge you to vote no without xxx to xxx
[APPLAUSE]
Bill Holmes: resident since 1982
first mtg; real reason was poor service in WV; the first two are for other areas
caffeine for kids even after experts said -- was perfectly okay for kids
process; ppl are affected more than 100m away
got back from Mr Sultan, will be conveyed -- you do have the power
[applause]
Carol Reynolds (BPAHA director): representing BPAHA; gone around, talked, our residents overwhelmingly against it; will appreciate to vote no for towers as proposed
Rogers failed to xxx the
mentioned a couple of times at the townhall mtgs -- hard to find anyone notified; notification not done adequately
looking at the policy don't understand that they followed the process
they are right next to resident roads; uphill; don't take advantage of xxx
mind you, finding a tree 12 storeys high
felt Rogers has done enough, DWV xxx need to be tightened up
homes, schools, and daycares
the three never did have any place in our cmnty
values and standards of the majority of WV residents
frustration, Planning support Rogers['s] cares over theirs
pay their salaries; happening again
get feedback from residents, long before
stress ... frustration ... in our cmnty
[APPLAUSE] [9:15]
Sop: I have a revised motion
RECOMMENDED: THAT The DWV confirm that Rogers Communications followed the process prescribed in the Wireless Communication Facilities Policy and that the proposals are consistent with the Policy’s guidelines;
is not acceptable
The applications be forwarded to Rogers Communications, Industry Canada, and the Ministry of Transportation and Infrastructure, noting that Council cannot support the application at this time due to (a) a lack of evidence of poor service, (b) a lack of evidence of demand on the part of residents, and (c) unacceptable intrusion on the amenities and important characteristics xxx
sentiment expressed by residents during consultation, and that the proposals may be revisited in future should new information arise.
Mayor: xxx
Sop: I have a final motion
Mayor: after this
Sop: Rogers good; now we have suspicions, cd be other company
xxx; relatively new and simple; Health Canada has only looked at the thermal effect
Mr X in audience
to do something good, onus shd not be put on the Cdns
needs physicists and biologists
I think we've established a process open and transparent
staff, Mr Browne, hv done a good job, congratulate you on your efforts
congratulate the citizens who went out and did their job
this will go to Ministry and they'll have a look at it
when looked at, we think those levels will go down
how to live with Radio Frequency radiation
xxx and there's no harm registry [9:19]
my last motion you'll hear about in that vein
I'll listen and then my motion
CC: at the outset, say obviously this proposal is completely dead in the water and won't go forward from this Ccl
good reasons, residents; health concerns concern all of us
this level of cmnty anger and fear and frustration, not something we shd move forward with
a few things ought to be said
I've been against; not had good feelings ever since I heard of it; what heard since, confirmed
this is not the end of the story on this
as Sop said, no aspersions shd be drawn against our staff
not perfect, diligent, hard-working, tried their best under challenging circumstances to be fair and reasonable...&&&
don't know, haven't researched, there's been a process this exhaustive in Canada, NAm, and in world about three cell towers; process has been drawn out...voice opinions
don't think you'd find one better than this
you've had your say, each of us has read 100s of emails [9:23], talked to ppl on the street, answered our telephones,...
point is you've been heard, and you need to disabuse yourselves you have not been heard
start conversation on; always improvements can be made to our policies
I didn't vote for the wireless policy, partly b/c it didn't contain any forward-thinking about what infrastructure wd look like in the District as a whole
didn't want to take each tower one at a time and death by a thousand cuts, need more comprehensive view; always policy improvements can be made; heard that
I'm concerned how Type 2 towers, those under 45ft or 15m don't really trigger any process
{technical note: 15m = 49.21ft; several have given different measurements so this is the exact equivalent.}
as Mr Pajari says quite rightly, and is in the staff report, the estimate is 20 towers are needed to make up for the cell phone coverage for one of these towers
so, the question is, how do we move forward?
[9:25] two options:
one, we can live in our cmnty without cell phones or with poor and increasingly worse coverage
or two, we can accept some transmission facilities
Now, I am of the view the cmnty shd be able to choose if we want cell phones or not
no interest in forcing this down anybody's throat
by the same token, we can't be hypocritical
of the 44K residents in this cmnty, how many cell phones do you think there are? 30K? 35K? there's a lot
wireless technology has come to the level of infrastructure; not much different than our water, sewers, or our roads
[some chuckles]
cell phones have become a 'must-have'; indeed, most of my friends don't have land phones anymore
so how do we treat that? all of us live next to roads
if you live next Upper Levels hwy, spews carcinogens into the air and causes documented serious health effects, decreases prop values b/c loud and stinky but we accept it. Why? b/c we want to get to and from work, and home, and school
at what point do we accept cell phone infrastructure or do we not accept it at all?
and If we're going to have 20 towers in place of one tower, is that going to be better from a health perspective?
I don't know, we're not competent here on Ccl to hear all your submissions on health effects and to judge wch one has merit and wch one doesn't
To each of those ppl who say cell towers have horrible health effects, there are those who say nothing's been proven. I have no way of adjudicating between them.
So I just want to put in ppl's minds, what are they willing to live with?
is it a cmnty without cell phones? or is this a cmnty with some cell phone towers?
and if it is a cmnty with some cell phone infrastructure, it's classic NIMBYism to say I don't want it in my nbrhd.
Let's just use what it is
-- I will finish up, Mr Mayor -- but I think ppl need to hear this, it's a huge issue in the cmnty --
we can't just use the cell phone coverage generated from Vancouver and NV, and live smugly over here with cell phones
if we do want to have cell phones, what is going to be acceptable?
I think that's the next stage of the discussion
Thank you all for coming out.
ML: I'm not going to repeat all cclrs before me; agree with most of what I've heard
what disappoints me, don't have to be a rocket scientist to know where this is going; cmnty was lining up on this
disappoints me most, when writing on the wall, and quite clear, strikes me the appropriate thing wd be for the applicant to withdraw his proposal applicn
[APPLAUSE]
not that the least of the reasons wd be is a smart marketing move; smart thing to do, knowing not acceptable
needs to be an alternative, agree with Cclr Cam on that
almost spiralling out of control, this whole thing
don't think anyone on this Ccl will vote this going forward though I won't prejudge
when you know it isn't going to happen, anyway
won't be supporting these towers at this point
MB: also going to be brief; agree with much of what's been said, pretty well all
wish to add that from what I've observed, technology is changing all the time and I can see a time in the not so distant future, the size of towers will be reduced considerably, aesthetics improved, improvements around emission...
Safety Code Six is under review -- in the spring
heard residents, as Cclr Cam pointed out, we're not qualified to comment on
Owner preferences, perceptions, cannot be dismissed; perceptions can be more impactful than reality
will be supporting the motion tonight to oppose the applicn
TP: brief as well
thank the cmnty, think they've pushed Rogers to a whole other level and think they'll benefit from what they've learned
thank the ppl in the minority, brave souls, who stood up and said their piece; hard thing to do when majority of the crowd is not with you
train has left the station
we're in the world of this technology; the "app generation"; most have cellphones
another key piece is that what's happening with govt, attended an open govt workshop at Wosk Ctr cuz I do my homework; guaranteed this is going to be back at us again...
where govt is going, taking the town square digital and doing it so ev can be engaged in the conversation so equitable...
all of us want being able to access govt
not going to fly in this cmnty; will be supporting motion
we have pushed Rogers to think differently; we're an early adopter cmnty;gadgets, gizmos
look fwd to Cclr Sop's third recommendation
Mayor: okay so can I call the--, uh Cclr Gamb
NG: did you think I wdn't say anything, Mr Mayor? I was just being polite and waiting till the end
don't know where to start, but I'll start
one of our main roles is to represent and serve the cmnty
from early on it's been a bit of a no-brainer if following that principle
as Cclr Panz said, I wd like to thank ppl for their feedback
cmnty v intelligent, well-researched arguments heard at the townhall mtgs; this is grassroots engagement
feel badly ppl had to be so engaged
come here as unpaid ppl after work or write us letters on the weekend
think I saw the first two ppl under 20 speak to Ccl, on an issue tonight -- uplifting
financial impact on housing values...
moved by the health effects -- judgement difficult for staff but less difficult for me
scientific research on both sides; use precautionary principle
as someone said, we once thought asbestos was great and cigarette smoke was harmless, many years ago
wd have saved millions of dollars and thousands of lives
Heath Canada Safety Code (HCSC) is v outdated; hope listening; HCSC is not trusted by residents; hope they heard that
cell reception was an issue on both sides
my personal experience is, I go cross-country skiing at Hollyburn Lodge and I can make calls and receive emails up there with no problem so I don't personally understand it. I don't have any friends, any acquaintances, who hv ever had issues except for the small number of ppl who spoke at the townhall mtgs, so...
N Shore Search and Rescue seem to be able to get calls from ppl lost in crevices
[some laughter and applause]
on Goat Mtn. I don't know how that works, but anyway
{um. yes, up there not many users, hm? no prob handling all the calls? Maybe increased need is reason for towers?}
for us in WV, I don't see there's anything in it for us, suppose doesn't always have to be something in it for us but there's obvious something in it for Rogers, perhaps there's something in it for the landowner, in this case MoT
don't see anything for us whatsoever
{fewer dropped calls! doctor's wife told me her husband needs more coverage. Sometimes a case of life or death}
in terms of motion no. 1, I think some ppl here tonight said Rogers didn't follow the process, however I think they did.
seen in action, our process is not good enough
applicant makes all the arrangements, not enough newspaper notice, not detailed enough, not good enough and need to look at those parts of the policy in detail
Mayor: have to wrap this up
NG: wd you like me to do my five minutes later, on the next motion?
Mayor: you've already gone over your five minutes
NG: I know, but I can speak twice
[laughter]
Mayor: Look, Ccl, I don't think it's a laughing matter
we asked the public to keep their remarks to three minutes, why cannot cclrs keep their remarks to five minutes
this is my ninth year on Ccl and I have never spoken for probably three minutes on an issue
I can't see why can't be more disciplined in making our points
As far as I'm concerned, we shd call the question
NG: Well, as Cclr Cam just said, the Procedure Bylaw gives me the right to speak for five minutes, and then to speak for five minutes after anyone else wants to speak
happy to stop now, but I will speak for another five minutes before we call the question
Mayor: Frankly, I think you're being childish, but anyway
[no no no murmurs]
Ms Scholes, is?
Sop: a pt of info, if I may; I have a third motion. I want to know through Madam Clerk if it will be included with the recommendations b/c it is to Health Canada. If going off to Industry Canada, wd like it to go to Health Canada
Mayor: just to be clear so no one can say I'm not impartially chairing this mtg, what is the policy on speaking? can they speak twice on a motion?
[YES]
all right, Cclr Gamb, you've got another five minutes
NG: wow, that's a long time, thank you
in terms of Rogers, I was interested to hear tonight, assume Rogers hears this, residents feel manipulated and they don't trust you
hope change in the future for your sake
our policy inadequate and feel our policy is out of touch even though it's a brand new policy
first time we've tested this policy; it makes sense to me, really important then to speak with one voice to all these ministries to recommend policies for new
changes to notification guidelines, to fees for these applicns b/c don't represent true costs of this process (been drawn out for six months), has cost residents and staff thousands and thousands of dollars of staff time, more than fees paid
{why not have a surcharge if it takes longer than anticipated and charged?}
instead of led by applicant, deadlines need to be longer
and as Cclr Cam said earlier, this issue will not go away even if these three are voted down tonight
so how will we control proliferation of towers that are 49.5ft tall or put on every lamppost in ev nbrhd?
we need to deal with that in our policy as well
staff, [we? need to] consider all those options
APPLAUSE
Mayor: can I call the question?
Sop: I asked pt of info, whether the third motion will be part of this recommendation we're making tonight
Mayor: we haven't heard the motion yet
Sop: my point is if I make the motion after we've voted, wd still be part of?
Mayor: cd be included in the prev motion
Sop: okay
Mayor: motion carries unanimously
[HOOP HOLLERING AND APPLAUSE]
Sop: I put this motion by a few cclrs; the motion I want to put on the floor:
the DWV hereby establish a moratorium on new cell tower sites and installations in WV until the present review of Health Canada Safety Code Six has bn completed and the results are reasonable and safe.
[MORE APPLAUSE]
Mayor: seconded by Cclr Cam
[!!!]
Sop: the health issue has to be dealt with; it speaks to WVites, Cdns, and those that are sensitive; they can't speak for themselves
Ontario did their motion three hours earlier
don't think it's forever
if we can establish a lower safety code, I think it'll bring a whole new attitude...
hope everybody supports this motion
CC: clarification -- when you say a moratorium on cell phone towers, what do you mean by way of towers; type 3?
Sop: type 3
CC: no brainer if only type 3 b/c no proponent wd go fwd at this point with state of science being what it is
obvious sentiment of the cmnty; hope more data on health effect
more interesting, what to do with Type 2 towers.
review the policy; don't think shd do on the fly right here now
[someone asked if allowed to speak; denied]
Sokol: I haven't had an opp to fully research this issue but wd like to advise Ccl there's a risk to putting in place a moratorium. Industry Canada gives us the ability to comment on Type 3 facilities over 15m in ht and I'm concerned by abdicating and saying we're not accepting it, it cd be interpreted that we're not commenting and therefore Industry Canada wd therefore step in and make a determination above and beyond what may be in the best interests for WV.
Sop {faint, mic not fully on?}: I disagree
it's well established, until, in cmte, will come back, and within four or five months get an answer
a whole new attitude
spoke to Mr Brown today ... new report ... flexibility ...xxx
Mayor: new motion; Ms Scholes can we allow public to speak? don't quite know policy
[murmurings re agenda item]
SSch: a bit unusual; presume as public input has occurred and Ccl did begin their debate on the motion, that that wd be for public input on this motion
{not clear; there was public input on the prev motion -- how can that be public input on this motion?}
Mayor: okay, anyone else?
CC: speak to Mr Sokol's point, a good one
perhaps we cd amend the motion to be Ccl communicate its view to Industry Canada that any applicn for a Type 3 tower, Ccl is voicing cmnty's opposition until Health Canada Standards are updated.
Sop: above that
CC: xxx
Sop: this is a stmt by itself, we don't want another tower until Health Canada has taken a serious look
that's not binding anybody
{someone asked me how a moratorium cd not be binding?}
If Industry Canada looks at that as binding, then they're wrong!
This is Cdns saying you help us understand how to live with this, you educate us how we're supposed to live with radiation
what about the sensitivity, it's out there
we're speaking for all of that
common sense, well-thought-out, simple plan; dissolve when Health Canada makes its stmt
ML: sorry, I don't see the point of this motion. We passed a motion if another Type 3 it wd come to this Ccl
The Ccl has spoken
probably not enforceable, probably inappropriate, re our jurisdictional responsibilities; strikes me as redundant
won't be prepared to support it
Sop: not redundant
Mayor: just a sec, Cclr Sop
Sop: It's not redundant on the basis--
Mayor: --Cclr Sop--
Sop: --I have to answer that. I made the motion. It's only redundant if we don't get an answer that is reasonable and safe
{how'd he make that leap?}
ML: Well, Cclr Sop, I'm sorry, you're not in a position to deem whether a response from Health Canada is going to be appropriate--
Mayor: --Ccl, we don't
ML: you know, we're really going beyond our core competencies and expertise
Sop: no, we're not
{ :-) }
Mayor: okay; just a second; does anyone else want to speak?
TP: pt of order
Mayor: what's the pt of order?
TP: point of order -- want to clarify how many times Cclr Sop has talked to this motion
We all get an opp, he gets one shot; we go back and then have another kick at it, but--
Mayor: Cclr Booth
MB: do have some concerns implications given jurisdictional ramifications of this motion
I don't think I can support it; worry; cd be ultra vires
cd be reworded perhaps? won't be entertaining any more applicns perhaps?
outright moratorium might be challenged
Mayor: cd table and ask staff for a report on the proposed motion
Sop: if it's going to get turned down, wdn't mind tabling it
[some laughter]
Mayor: second for tabling?
[MB did]
call the question?
CARRIES
----- ITEM 8, 9, 10 moved to Consent Agenda
8. Proposed 2014 Council Meeting Schedule (File: 0120-01)
RECOMMENDED: the proposed 2014 Ccl Mtg Schedule as attached to the report dated Nov 27, 2013 be approved
9. Optimal Boundary for Park Dedication of the Land Surrounding Whyte Lake and Whyte Lake Trail
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1.
Staff explore the optimal boundary for a park dedication bylaw for
the lands surrounding Whyte Lake and Whyte Lake Trail; and [that]
2. Staff report back in spring 2014 with a recommendation on the optimal boundary for the land surrounding Whyte Lake and Whyte Lake Trail wch will form the basis for the devt of a parks dedication bylaw.
10. Comprehensive Management Planning for Howe Sound (File: 0055-20-HSF1)
RECOMMENDED: THAT
The revised 2013 Howe Sound Community Forum Principles of Cooperation be supported and signatory be executed by the Mayor; and,The Howe Sound Cmnty Forum resolution be supported and implemented as follows:
“Be it resolved that the District of West Vancouver urge the Provincial and Federal governments to support the development of a Comprehensive Management Plan for Howe Sound that facilitates a coordinated land and marine use planning process between First Nations, senior and local governments, and other local bodies to ensure ongoing recovery and responsible land use planning within the Howe Sound.
-----
11. Public Safety Building: Soft Cost Expenditures Up to the Start of Construction for 2014 (File: 0500-01)
Mayor: it's 9:57 so need a motion to extend; two opposed
[moans]
SSch: needs to be unanimous to extend
Mayor: so reconvene Thurs morning at 9 o'clock
[again, moans]
SSch: if wish to call another mtg this week, can do so by resoln
[inaudible mumbling]
Mayor: okay, won't comment. Cclr Sop, are you willing to go to 10:30?
okay -- that passes unanimously
let's step it up a bit
Ms Leemhuis, can we defer item 11 to the first mtg in January?
CAO: that's one that...
{mic not loud enough to hear what she said}
CC: make motion as read/written; won't speak
Mayor: no discussion; Mr Wong, no need to speak
PASSES unanimously
you obviously presented that argument v well.
{Here's the motion!!! RECOMMENDED: THAT
Funding in the amount of $974,134 (excluding taxes), which is a deferral from the 2013 [Five-Year] Financial Plan Bylaw, be approved for expenditure on the soft costs required to complete the pre-construction soft costs (design, permits, and consulting) up to commencement of construction in the first quarter of 2014 for the PSB project;
Funding be provided in a manner consistent with the funding approach previously approved by Council for the PSB project, namely through the net proceeds of sale of District-owned lands which are deposited in the Endowment Fund; and
ATTENTION:
MANY DISAGREE with selling land wch grows in value to build a building wch will deteriorate/decrease. Let's hope Ccl deliberates other options previously discussed.
Staff to incorporate the $974,134 soft costs into the 2014 [5-Year] Financial Plan Bylaw. }
12. Public Safety Building: Public Tendering of the North Parking Lot (File: 0500-01)
TP: move as written:
RECOMMENDED: THAT The north parking lot, on the north lawn of the M Hall site, be publicly tendered in order to keep the project on schedule and to mitigate construction escalation costs, with the terms of the tender such that the District shall not be obligated to proceed with the construction of the north parking lot if funding is not approved; and
Upon receiving the tenders for the north parking lot, staff to report back to Council to seek approvals before awarding construction contracts for the work.
Sop: to tender?
Mayor: brought back to Ccl with tenders?
[YES]
CARRIES
13. Public Safety Building: Recommended Exterior Facade and Landscape Design
Information to be provided. WITHDRAWN
14. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
The following Consent Agenda items may be considered for approval in one motion, or considered separately, or items may be excluded for debate.
RECOMMENDED: THAT the Consent Agenda items as follows be approved:
{14.1 to 14.6 listed, then in full below}
Item 14.7 Youth Services Review: Implementation Group 2013 Annual Report and 2014 Work Plan;
Item 14.8 Cultural Facilities Update;
READ to find out what's planned
-- better to express opinions now rather than once decisions made
and Item 14.9 Correspondence List.
14.1. Appointments of Council Members to Boards, Committees, and Working Groups for 2014
RECOMMENDED: THAT
1. The following appointments of Council members to boards, committees and working groups for 2014 be approved:
West Vancouver Community Centres Society Board: Councillor Panz
Memorial Library Board: Councillor Lewis
Seniors’ Centre Advisory Board: Councillor Gambioli
Audit Committee: all Council members
Awards Committee: Councillor Cameron
Community Grants Committee: Councillor Gambioli
Design Review Committee: Councillors Cameron and Soprovich
Gleneagles Community Centre Advisory Committee: Councillor Lewis
Lower Caulfeild Advisory Committee: Councillor Soprovich
Parcel Tax Roll Review Panel: Cclrs Gambioli, Lewis, and Soprovich (Alternates: Booth, Cameron and Panz)
School Traffic Safety Advisory Committee (not a Council committee): Councillor Booth
Youth Services Review Implementation Group (not a Council committee): Councillor Booth
Field Sports Forum Working Group: Councillor Cameron
Upper Lands Study Review Working Group: Councillors Cameron and Panz
Invasive Plant Species Working Group: Councillor Gambioli
Coho Festival Society: Councillor Soprovich
Howe Sound Forum: Councillors Panz and Soprovich
West Vancouver Chamber of Commerce: Councillors Cameron and Gambioli
North Shore Advisory Committee on Disability Issues: Councillor Lewis
North Shore Family Court & Youth Justice Committee: Councillor Panz
North Shore Emergency Management Office: Councillor Soprovich
North Shore Substance Abuse Working Group (formerly Task Force): Councillor Lewis.
The appointments made for 2013 for Metro Vancouver Board of Directors and MetroV committees continue for 2014.
14.2. Appointment of Volunteer Members to Boards and Committees for 2014 -- Information to be provided. WITHDRAWN
14.3. Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr Adv Cmte 2013 Annual Rept, 2014 Work Plan, and Proposed Amdmts to TofRef
RECOMMENDED: THAT The report dated November 19, 2013, from the Mgr of Cmnty Recreation, be received for information; and that The next cycle of membership terms be approved as follows:
If a [one-year] term: from April, 2014 to December 31, 2014
If a two-year term: from April, 2014 to December 31, 2015
If a three-year term: from April, 2014 to December 31, 2016
AND THAT the Gleneagles Community Centre Advisory Committee revised Terms of Reference be approved.
14.4. Community Grants Committee 2013 Annual Report and 2014 Work Plan (File: 0116-20-CGC1)
RECOMMENDED: the report dated Nov 25, from the Mgr of Cmnty Devt, Youth and Families, be rec'd for information.
14.5. Seniors' Activity Centre Advisory Board 2013 Annual Report and 2014 Work Plan (File: 0115-20-SACA1)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated Nov 19, from the Mgr of Cmnty Recreation, be received for information.
14.6. North Shore Family Court and Youth Justice Committee 2013 Annual Report and 2014 Work Plan
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated Nov 25, from the Mgr of Cmnty Devt, Youth and Families, be rec'd for info.
14.7. Youth Services Review: Implementation Group 2013 Annual Report and 2014 Work Plan
RECOMMENDED: THAT the report dated Nov 25, from the Mgr of Cmnty Devt, Youth and Families, be rec'd for info.
14.8. Cultural Facilities Update RECOMMENDED: THAT the Deputy CAO's Nov 20, report be rec'd for information.
{when speaking, omitted 14.7, .10, .11 for later}
14.9. Correspondence List (File: 0120-24) (click here to view correspondence packages) -- rec'd for info.
> Council Correspondence Update to November 22, 2013 (up to 12:00 Noon)
Referred for Action
(1) C. Siddoo-Atwal, November 22, 2013, regarding “WV drinking water
(Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response)
Received for Information
(2) Honours and Awards Secretariat, Nov 14, re “Order of British Columbia ~ 2014 Call for Nominations
(3) North Shore Emergency Management Office (NSEMO), November 21, 2013, regarding “NSEMO Open House Invite
(4) T. Zimmerman, November 18, 2013, regarding “Proposed New Police Station and Fire Hall
(5) A. McFarlane, November 19, 2013, regarding “The enormous eyesore to the entrance to West Vancouver
(6) R. Wager, November 21, 2013, regarding “GE Free BC Speaking Tour
(7) V. Mehin, Nov 22, re “Fwd: Cell Towers George Pajari letter to NS News calls it NIMBYISM Call to Action!
(8) 3 submissions, dated November 13 - 18, 2013, regarding 4357 Erwin Drive
(9) 76 submissions, dated Nov 18-21, re 1300blk Marine Drive
(Previously received at November 21, 2013 Public Hearing/Public Meeting)
Responses to Correspondence
(10) Director of Planning, November 19, 2013, response to PA Design Consultants, � Marine Drive
(11) Dir/Planning, Nov 20, response to B. Chaworth-Musters, “Agenda Item 6 Ccl Mtg 7th Oct 2013. OCP Amdmt,
Rezoning, and Devt Permit Applicn - for 825 TWay/707 Keith (Maison Srs’ Living) (File: 1010-20-12-084) Appendix E
(12) Dir/Planning, November 20, 2013, response to J. Rodrigues, “Re: changes to Marine and 17th
(13) Director of Planning, Land Development and Permits, November 20, 2013, response to N. Cabot, “rezoning
> Council Correspondence Update to November 29, 2013 (up to 12:00 Noon)
Referred for Action
(1) D. Kilbey, Nov 15, re “Rights, Privileges, Powers, and Immunities of the Chairman of the Philosophers’ Cafe held at the WV Public Library today
(Referred to Director of Library Services for consideration and response)
(2) J. Lazar, November 22, 2013, regarding “Proposed new sewage treatment plant
(Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response)
(3) November 22, 2013, regarding “Cell Towers in West Vancouver
(Referred to Director of Planning, Land Development and Permits for consideration and response)
(4) November 27, 2013, regarding “Binning House
(Referred to Director of Planning, Land Development and Permits for consideration and response)
Received for Information
(5) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes West Vancouver Memorial Library Board October 16, 2013
(6) P. Cruikshank, November 22, 2013, regarding “Gordon Avenue Tennis Courts
(7) A. Lepiarczyk, November 23, 2013, regarding Collingwood School Morven Campus
(8) North Shore Literacy Now Task Group, November 25, 2013, regarding “North Shore Literacy Forum
(9) A. McFarlane, November 26, 2013, regarding “Lalji’s greed, at our loss.
(10) Assn for the Protection of Fur-Bearing Animals, Nov 26, 2013, regarding “re: Wildlife issues in your community
(11) Milliken Devt Corp, Nov 29, re “TWay/Keith Rd proposed senior’s [sic] care cmnty (Devt Permit Applicn No. 12-084)
(12) 2 submissions, dated November 22-25, 2013, regarding Wireless Cell Towers
(13) 4 submissions, dated November 23-29, 2013, regarding 4357/4359 Erwin Drive
> Council Correspondence Update to December 3, 2013 (up to 4:30 p.m.)
Received for Information
(1) K. Taheri, October 14, 2013, regarding “Tower (Wireless Cell Towers)
Responses to Correspondence
(2) Manager of Parks Operations, November 28, 2013, response to S. and A. McGuire, 㦉th St Steps.
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Mayor: does someone want to speak to item 10 {meaning 14.10}
ANS: can't b/c
Someone: item 7
CC: had to pull item 7 b/c we changed recommendation, altered motion
Mayor: so pulling 7, 10, and 11? so first is item 7
MB: want first of all to welcome the mbrs that are present from the Services Review Implementation Grp that have sat through the whole mtg. Thank you. {named them}
Ccl has been kept apprised of the work of that group for last year
we had officially formed a HUB and outline mbrs of the hub. At the inaugural mtg of the Youth Hub was on Dec 4 and so the question I had was how did the mtg go and what was accomplished
LADY: first mtg, Dec 4 was successful; VCH, Sch Dist 45, WVML, Hollyburn FamilyServices, and of course DWV
started to receive signed partnership letters; supporting agreements; take work back from the HUB
initial workplan for Jan 14, will meet again Jan 8 to confirm 2014 work plan
coordinator: Leanna Buffy, Supervisor; report back to implementation grp
Mayor: thx
next is 14.10 -- change been attached?
BL: comprehensive--
CC: --mtg schedule
BL: beg your pardon
Mayor: talking about mtg schedule
BL: -- sorry
Mayor: moved
SSch: one change suggested: change Mar 3rd to Mar 10th so that March wd be 10th and 31st
Mayor: next item is Whyte Lake -- abbreviated intro and one mbr of public to speak
Mooi: One of the key recommendations of the Parks Master Plan is to pass parks dedication bylaws as soon as possible for parks that are a high priority to the community.
May 2013; in alignment with this recommendation, Council dedicated as park, through a Park Dedication Bylaw 4755, the District-owned waterfront lots between 13th Street and 18th Street.
The next park, staff will be recommending for protection, is the land surrounding Whyte Lake and the Whyte Lake Trail as dedication of this park was a specific recommendation (2.2.3) in the Parks Master Plan.
clearly states to identify the lands; pk dedication bylaw
An important step of this process is to define the boundary of this park. Defining the optimal boundary for this park is complex. The report outlines factors to consider and four boundary options that staff propose to examine.
number of factors, natural vs legal boundaries, water catchment areas; existence of signif envmtal issues
consultation with the ULSRWG
impact of trails and and rec grps; stewardship grps, rec and cmnty groups
privately owned and provincial lands; envmtal parameters and carbon offset opps
Staff will be coming forward in the spring with a recommendation for Council's consideration on the optimal boundary for the land surrounding Whyte Lake and Whyte Lake trail and this will be the basis for the development of a parks dedication bylaw.
Mayor: Alexandra Mancini; throw ourselves at your mercy to be brief
AM: first, v plsd; WV resident for 22 years moving ahead to dedicate this land
in reading the report, did not see detail how the analysis will be conducted
exclusively internal staff or will be engaging envtal consultants to assist
will there be a public opp for input prior to the recomm re boundary?
AMooi: Andrew Banks prepared to answer that question
Mayr: two quick yeses wd be tine
[laughter]
AB: 1: staff will look at operations internally, preferred option will be seeking more input from consultants or cmnty experts
2 Q forgotten-- um, input? extensive through Pks Master Plan
come with report in spring; if Ccl needs more, can be directed
TP: I pulled this out
exciting opp for cmnty; clarity nec
step in right direction
proposing some amendments
1st: Parks and Planning staff consult with the cmnty on the optimal boundaries for the publicly-owned lands around Whyte Lake watershed, trail, and Larson Crk wetlands
2 Pk/Planning staff meet with adjoining landowners to explore watershed protection and possible land use transfers
{b/c BPP has wanted for some time to swap land and devp above the 1200ft level.... early step/approval}
3 staff report back in early spring with a recomm for the optimum boundary for Park and Larson Crk xxx
Mooi: will take that into consideration when we look at boundaries
TP: cognizant of time but signif
CC: we're on re Upper Lands WG; crucial -- ULWG wrestling with this question
hope at next WG mtg or one following; give interim recommendations and their perspective to staff; crucial
Sop: will support
but looking at the motion, diagram B; map's not big enough; doesn't indicate where Eagle Lake is, just off to right
why block to west? easterly side? is not included?
why the little squiggly line shows BPP prop and just above it; and that shd be included
a little bit further in conversation with BPP that the easterly side of Eagle Lake shd hv some major consideration about park dedication
it's a bigger picture than this; we're sort of piecemealing our way through it
I wish we wd hv had a bigger map and shown what the plans are for the future
granted the Upper Lands folks are working on it, appreciate that; good support there
hope we can identify these lands and do them all at once
Mayor: call question
MOTION CARRIES
Mayor: 14.12, just need a motion?
Mgr of Sust and Envmt hs bn standing by; this work is time-sensitive
hoping Ccl cd consider it this evening
Sandra, wd you like to say a few words?
Mayor: welcome
Sandra X: two recommendations
forum held last Sept; Howe Sound Cmnty Forum, dialogue
last Sept we played host; two key action items
principles of cooperation and comprehensive planning
Mayor: motion carries; you're v persuasive
need a motion fo 14.7, 14.10, and 14.13
we did 11 separately
All in favour? Motion carries
15. OTHER ITEMS -- No items
Mayor: number of ppl want to speak re tennis courts
MB: xxx
Mayor: added to agenda at beginning of mtg
{on agenda? several cclrs spoke but mics not on}
{from chamber: "We can't hear"}
CC: do we need to have a motion introduced,seconded, for ppl to speak or sufficient now on agenda?
SSch: bit unusual b/c no motion before us but mbrs of public can speak if Ccl so wishes
Mayor: we're in a quandary -- if public speak won't be able to address a motion b/c will be at 10:30
TP: a notice of motion? have nothing in front of me
if notice of motion coming forward
thought had rescinded, want to know
MB: hasn't been a motion made but I can make one
Mayor: one possible solution is you cd give a notice of motion then we cd debate it at the next mtg
let the mbrs of the public speak
MB: motion that Ccl abide by its original promise in 2011 to close the pkg lot where the tennis courts were, leave the right-angle parking in place, and encourage parking in the Westerleigh lot
Mayor: notice of motion for first mtg in Jan
ML: need a seconder?
SSch: don't need for notice but will when it comes back
Mayor: mbrs of public quick comment or wait till mtg in Jan?
Don Evans: take possession of unit in Stonethro on Friday at 4:30
feel manipulated; purchase of unit -- access to swimming pool, etc, see endless debate
as someone with a lot of money on the line; shd give us back the tennis courts
Mayor: Mr Stott, your usual brief manner
Paul Stott: untidy and unsatisfactory process up to now
app this motion on agenda tonight
Mayor: thank you for that
Carolanne, want to speak on this?
CR: no, I'm getting ready for PQP!
LAUGHTER
16. Public Questions/Comments
Mayor: so the next, the last item on the agenda is, Public Questions and Comments. Carolanne
{to some laughter}
CR: Good evening, Mayor and Council
...last mtg...and I was madly scribbling down something to say...
I'll try to read it but of course I want to thank Cclr Sop for making a plea for the trees b/c we are a park-like cmnty; I do want to fight for keeping our park-like cmnty trees
Anyway, this is what I was scribbling when I was listening to all this
'Twas the week before Christmas
and all through the Hall
all the staff were a-scurrying
Many tasks to [complete]
to finish them all
When out on the plaza
there arose such a clatter,
all rushed outside
to see what was the matter.
What to our wond'ring eyes should appear
but a District of West Van sleigh
and several reindeer
on Dasher, on Dancer,
on Grosvenor and Onni,
on Cameron, on Soprovich,
Lewis, Panz, Gambioli,
and even Booth, too
[laughter]
and lo and behold,
holding the rein,
was a lively Santa,
Michael Smith by name
his eyes how they twinkled,
his gestures how merry;
he rushes along --
woe to those who tarry!
As the end of the year
comes into sight
Santa Smith wishes us all
a great Christmas night!
[laughter and applause]
{as said, scribbled on back of agenda during the earlier items (eg, cell towers, wch stretched to two hours after all)
recited (stumbled a bit trying to read my writing; the O in Gambioli shd hv bn stressed) near the end of the mtg}
Mayor: well, thank you for that, Carolanne, well done
CR: we'll have lots of resolutions; and wish you all a Happy New Year. Thank you.
Mayor: Ms Nazar; know you've been waiting
Poura Nazar: Good evening
resident of WV for 28 years; I'm the architectural designer for 2599 Marine got involved after it was purchased
advised to address this mtg by Bob Sokol
sold by M to my client April 2013
wrt FAR calculation; ht limited for views, two storeys, 2551sf FAR and 40% site coverage
setback front reduced to allow for larger basement; given to my client before purchase
discrepancy in calculation of the FAR; result of section xxx one level
caretaker's bedroom and guest bedroom on lower floor, plus a small secondary ste
1093sf main and 518sf lower if regular exemptions in place
large portion of lower floor is underground wch wd not normally be calculated
if calcs of basement do not apply ... in WV as a general rule still allowed to construct a 6ft floor to ceiling high crawl space under the proposed main floor
the appearance of the bldg and the massing
[ding]
wd be the same but use adversely affected and the caretaker wd hv no place to stay
IOW adding another 3ft to the depth to the permitted crawl space wd result in a well-balanced design suited to the reqmts of the ageing popn while the mass of the bldg and the limited height wd still be maintained
Mayor: getting to the end, Ma'am?
PN: yes
Mayor: we have your drawings, obviously not expecting an answer tonight; can ask staff to comment and we can get back to you with an answer.
PN: sure, that wd be great
Mayor: Don't think possible to do much tonight.
PN: just wanted to present it and--
Mayor: we've--
PN: doesn't affect anything at all if the exemptions apply
whole thing under the ground and doesn't affect any nbrs or massing, height
Mayor: we listened carefully and will discuss it with Mr Sokol
PN: tyvm
Mayor: okay, go ahead
NG: question; are you suggesting when we sold the prop was not comprehensive and didn't mention the sq ftg?
PN: yes, but a little bit of discrepancy
like giving with one hand and taking away with the other
can't have full basement if you just have the 2551 sq ft; wd only be on one level
NG: but it was clear 2551sf max?
PN: it is, but if you have it in two storeys, only 1000sf
Mayor: just hearing; hv to meet with our staff
PN: yes, of course
Mayor: then we can respond to you intelligently; otherwise flying; going nowhere fast
will get back to you when explanation from Mr Sokol
anyone else wish to address Ccl?
[from gallery -- one minute!]
Mayor: that's about right
Reinhold Warner??: live in Amb for one year; resident for 32 years, on Brit Prop
re Safety Bldg, 100% in favour
question/recommendation re bldg and bldg site, maybe with possibility closing 16th St between Fulton and Esplanade
doable
incorporate portion of the street into the bldg lot will open up possibilities, moving to the east side
I'm maybe too late looking into possibilities, planning stage
when proposal was done
Mayor: Mr Sokol made v careful notes, sir, and he'll take it under advisement
Man: talk later in your ofc or anywhere about this; possibilities; wd be a great idea
Sokol: best if he meets with John Wong
Mayor: Mr Sokol will give you the name of the staff person you shd meet with. Motion to adjourn
17. Adjournment
=== CCL MTG AGENDAs 2014 January 13 ===
=== SPECIAL CCL MTG AGENDA ===
Note: At 6pm the sp Ccl mtg will commence in open session in the MFCR and will be immediately followed by a motion to exclude the public in order to hold a closed session, pursuant to section 90 of the Community Charter. At 7pm the reg Ccl mtg will commence in the Council Chamber.
6:00PM
1. Call to Order.
EXCLUSION OF THE PUBLIC
2. RECOMMENDED: THAT in the public interest, mbrs of the public be excluded ... under the following...:
90. (1) A part of a council meeting may be closed if ... relates to or is one or more of the following:
(a) personal information about an identifiable individual who holds or is being considered for a position as an officer, employee, or agent of the municipality or another position appointed by the municipality;
(e) the acquisition, disposition, or expropriation of land or improvements, if the council considers that disclosure cd reasonably be expected to harm the interests of the municipality;
(i) the receipt of advice that is subject to solicitor-client privilege, including communications necessary for that purpose;
(k) negotiations and related discussions respecting the proposed provision of a M service that are at their preliminary stages and that, in the view of the ccl, cd reasonably be expected to harm the interests of the M if they were held in public;
Purpose of meeting: cmte apptmts, land, legal, and proposed provision of a M service matters
3. ADJOURNMENT (of open session)
=== REGULAR CCL MTG AGENDA ===
7:00 PM
1. Call to Order.
2. Approval of Agenda
3. Adoption of Council Meeting Minutes -- Meeting minutes to be provided.
RECOMMENDED: December 9 and December 16, 2013 special and regular Council meetings.
DELEGATIONS
4. Sea to Sky Clean Air Society (File: 0055-01) Information to be provided.
REPORTS
5. Reports from Mayor and Councillors on Boards, Committees, and Working Groups
6. Divisional Services Review - Fire and Rescue Services, Part 3 (File: 2700-01)
PowerPoint presentation to be provided. RECOMMENDED: be received for information.
7. 2014 Budget Update (File: 0860-01)
RECOMMENDED: received for information.
8. Notice of Motion regarding Community Centre Tennis Courts and Parking (File: 2100-01)
Information to be provided.
9. CONSENT AGENDA ITEMS
THAT the Consent Agenda items as follows be approved:
9.1. GranFondo 2014 (File: 1785-13)
RECOMMENDED: the report dated Dec 10 from the Mgr, Roads and Utilities be received for information.
9.2. TransLink Customer Service Performance Report Quarter 3, 2013 (File: 3205-03)
RECOMMENDED: the report dated Dec 12 from the Transit Mgr be received for information.
9.3. Integrated Partnership for Regional Emergency Management Bulletin (File: 0180-16)
RECOMMENDED: the report dated Dec 13 from the Director, NSh Emergency Mgmt Ofc be rec'd for information.
9.4. Appointments of Volunteer Members to Boards and Committees for 2014 (File: 0115-01/0116-01) RECOMMENDED: THAT
the following Library Board Trustees be reappointed to the Memorial Library Board for a [two-year] term: Mary Jo Campbell; Geoff Jopson; David Carter; and Deborah Ryan; and Jim MacCallum be appointed to the Memorial Library Board for a [two-year] term ending Dec 31, 2015.
RECOMMENDED: THAT
the following applicants be appointed to the Cmnty Engagement Cmte for a [one-year] term ending Dec 31, 2014: Maggie Pappas, Alex Tunner, Judith Weymark.
RECOMMENDED: THAT
The following reapptmts to the NSh Family Court/Youth Justice Cmte for a one-year term ending Dec 31, 2014 be approved:
Member-at-large for the District of West Vancouver: Diane Gradley and Rita Pokrandt (formerly DeGraaf)
Member-at-large for the City of North Vancouver: Colleen Croft
Member-at-large for the District of North Vancouver: Lisa Upton and Peter Bjurman
Mbrs in the professional category: Const Crystal Shostak, NV RCMP, and Susan Wilcockson, Hollyburn Family Services;
The following appointments to the NSh Family Court/Youth Justice Cmte for a one-year term ending Dec 31, 2014 be approved:
Taylor Hunt, Member-at-large for the District of West Vancouver
Hala Nugent, PLEA, Professional category
Constable Jeff Wood, West Vancouver Police Department;
Five further candidates be appointed at a later date to the professional category of the Cmte from the mbrs of Councils of the CNV, DNV, and DWV; and Trustees from the WV Bd of Education and NV Board of Education.
9.5 Correspondence List (File: 0120-24) (click here to view correspondence packages)
RECOMMENDED: THAT the correspondence list be received for information.
> Council Correspondence Update to December 6, 2013 (up to 12:00 Noon)
Received for Information
(1) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes Board of Variance Hearing Minutes September 18, 2013
(2) Strata Council, West Royal Towers, November 30, 2013, regarding 𤄨 Marine Drive
(3) M. McCarron, November 30, 2013, re “Gordon Avenue Tennis Courts, Parking, Traffic and Common Sense
(4) BC Honours and Awards Secretariat, Dec 2, 2013, re � Order of British Columbia Call for Nominations
(5) 2 submissions from Organizing Cmte Info Systems Audit/Control Assn (ISACA) Vancouver BC Privacy & Security
Awareness Day, dated Dec 2-4, 2013, re BC Privacy/Security Awareness Day (Feb 6, 2014) Request for Proclamation 6) L. and V. Jando, December 3, 2013, regarding “No to Spot Zoning on Sentinel Hill discussion Dec 5
(7) C. Cameron, Dec 4, 2013, re “Calls for independent assessment of coal export expansion RealPorthearings.org
8) 11 submissions, dated October 2-December 5, 2013, regarding Wireless Cell Towers
> Council Correspondence Update to December 13, 2013 (up to 12:00 Noon)
Referred for Action
1) HUB NSh Cmte, Dec 5, 2013, regarding “1300 Block Marine Drive Redevelopment Cycling Facilities
(Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response)
(2) P. Falls, Dec 10, re “Concerns From Residents Almost Hung Out to Dry at the Open House Dec 5, 2013 (Referred to Chief Administrative Officer for consideration and response)
(3) S. Slater, December 11, 2013, regarding “We have now lost even the illusion of neutrality...
(Referred to Chief Administrative Officer for consideration and response)
Received for Information
(4) Cmte/Bd Mtg Minutes Gleneagles Cmnty Ctr Adv Cmte Oct 10, Nov 14; Design Review Cmte Oct 17, Nov 12
(5) 9 submissions, dated December 6 12, 2013, regarding Wireless Cell Towers
(6) 4 submissions (including Petition with 17 signatures), Dec 8 12, 2013, re Milliken’s Proposed Devt at Keith Road and Taylor Way (Development Permit Application No. 12-084)
(7) 11 submissions, dated November 20 December 10, 2013, regarding 1300 block Marine Drive
(Received after the close of November 21, 2013 Public Hearing and Public Meeting)
Responses to Correspondence
(8) Dir/Engg and Transportation, Dec 10, 2013, response to S. Burke, “Sidewalks close to elementary schools in WV
(9) Sr Cmnty Planner, Dec 10, response to P. Falls, “Comments on the Open House held Dec 5, 2013 Milliken project (Development Permit Application No. 12-084)
(10) Sr Cmnty Planner, Dec 10, 2013, response to P. Falls, “Forms that were completed at the Open house against the proposed development Preserve Sentinel (Development Permit Application No. 12-084)
(11) Dir/Parks, December 12, 2013, response to P. Sullivan, “I would like to donate $50,000-$100,000 to the district of West Vancouver to improve the Ambleside Skateboard park with no success?
> Council Correspondence Update to December 20, 2013 (up to 12:00 Noon)
Referred for Action
(1) Min of Cmnty, Sport and Cultural Devt, Dec 12, 2013, re Invitation for Input on Local Government Elections Reform (Referred to Mayor and Council for consideration and response)
(2) Dec 16, re “Upper Lands Working Group Concern about lack of openness and transparency (Referred to Director of Planning, Land Development and Permits for consideration and response)
(3) N. Lalji, December 16, 2013, regarding “Garbage collection West Vancouver
(Referred to Director of Engineering and Transportation for consideration and response)
(4) S. Slater, December 17, 2013, regarding “Ambleside gateway landmark
(Referred to Fire Chief for consideration and response)
(5) S. Slater, Dec 19, re “Fwd: Letter or Response From N. Leemhuis Re: Dec 5 Public Open House Milliken Devt (Referred to Chief Administrative Officer for consideration and response)
Received for Information
(6) Committee and Board Meeting Minutes Design Review Committee November 21, 2013
(7) MetroV, Dec 13, re “Request for the Prov to Continue Funding for the LiveSmart BC: Small Biz Program in 2014/15 (8) Howe Sound Community Forum, December 18, 2013, regarding “Reminder Wed. Jan. 14th, 2014 Britannia Beach (9) C. Rowntree, Nov 14, 2013, re “Pro Grosvenor devt at 1300-block Ambleside (1300 block Marine Drive)
(Received after the close of November 21, 2013 Public Hearing and Public Meeting)
(10) A. and R. Frost, December 4, 2013, regarding 4357/4359 Erwin Drive
(11) D. Stewart, December 12, 2013, regarding “Proposed Development Permit No. 13-037 (for 1495 Clyde Ave) (Previously received at December 16, 2013 regular Council meeting)
(12) K. Steig, December 15, 2013, regarding “Whyte Lake Area Park Dedication
(13) M. Sigal, December 16, 2013, regarding “Proposed Development Variance Permit No. 13-051 (1412 Mathers Ave.) (Previously received at December 16, 2013 Council meeting)
(14) A. Watson, December 18, 2013, regarding Increase in Licensed Dog Walker Operating Permit Fee
(15) 13 submissions, dated December 12 - 18, 2013, regarding Wireless Cell Towers
(16) 2 submissions, undated, re Wireless Cell Towers
(Previously received at December 16, 2013 regular Council meeting)
(17) 3 submissions, dated Dec 14 - 15, re Milliken’s Proposed Devt at Keith Rd, TWay (Devt Permit Applicn No. 12-084)
Responses to Correspondence
(18) Dir/Library Services, Nov 22, response to D. Kilby, “Rights, Privileges, Powers, and Immunities of the Chairman of the Philosopher’s Cafe held at the West Vancouver Public Library today
(19) Dir/Planning, Dec 16, 2013, response to T. and D. Sullivan, “NOTICE OF PUBLIC HEARING/PUBLIC MEETING REGARDING PROPOSED 1300 BLOCK DEVELOPMENT
(20) Director of Planning, December 18, 2013, response regarding “Cell Towers in West Vancouver
OTHER ITEMS
10. Ccl has requested the following corresp be brt fwd for discussion, and may propose a motion if Ccl considers further action is req'd.
10.1 MetroV, Dec 13, re Request for the Prov to Continue Funding for the LiveSmart BC: Small Biz Prog in 2014/15
11. Public Questions/Comments 12. Adjournment
=== ANIMALWATCH === planarian
Article: Animal Loses Head But Remembers Everything {Oh, I wish! :-)}
When I first saw this," says cell biologist Alejandro Sanchez Alvarado, "it was with total amazement." This is a worm. It's called a planarian. It's about an inch long, and you'll find it gliding along the bottoms of rivers and ponds all over the world. It's very flat, like a moving bit of pasta ...
http://www.npr.org/blogs/krulwich/2013/12/31/258399090/animal-loses-head-but-remembers-everything
=== INFObits ===
= The Twelve Days of Christmas start Christmas Day, and end with Epiphany January 6.
Epiphany, Jan 6, is celebrated by the Greek Orthodox Church {more below}; Orthodox Christmas is Jan 7.
= January is the coldest month in Canada (say ppl smiling in Vancouver and Victoria).
= At least 70 journalists killed around world in 2013
30 Dec 2013 Figures compiled by the Cmte to Protect Journalists show that 29 journalists were killed in Syria, 10 in Iraq and six in Egypt
= Harbin Ice Festival -- an absolutely incredible annual display of ice sculpture in China: https://www.google.com/search?q=harbin+ice+festival
= The EU is British Columbia’s fourth-largest trading partner and export destination.
= Rising death toll in Iraq
one of those cases "be careful what you wish for"?
Iraq was safer under Saddam; also, Christians were protected. Apparently some countries only have peace with a v strong dictator -- Yugoslavia fell apart after Tito......
In fact, Iraq is getting worse: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-25568687
> Iraq's annual death toll highest in five years - UN
The United Nations says at least 7,818 civilians and 1,050 mbrs of the security forces were killed in violent attacks across Iraq in 2013. December alone saw at least 759 people killed, 661 of them civilians.
More: http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jan/01/iraq-2013-deadliest-year-since-2008
> Iraq suffers its deadliest year since 2008
UN says 8,868 Iraqis killed in 2013, with one NGO predicting 2014 cd be bloodier as militants exploit sectarian tensions
= Exodus of Christians
Sayeeda Warsi, in a recent speech at Georgetown University, speaking of the plight of Churches in the Middle East described, "a mass exodus is taking place, on a Biblical scale. In some places, there is real danger that Christianity will become extinct". Research by the Pew Centre suggests that Christians are reportedly the most widely persecuted religious group in the world.
+++ HOLY EPIPHANY +++ quoted in the Thurible
The Epiphany January 6
The subtitle in The Book of Common Prayer of this, one of the principal feasts of the Church, is "The Manifestation of Christ to the Gentiles". This emphasizes that, from the moment of the Incarnation, the good news of Jesus Christ is for all: Jew and Gentile, the wise and the simple, male and female. Nothing in the Greek text of the Gospels indicates that the Magi were all male or even three in number, and the idea that they were kings is a much later, non-scriptural tradition. The date chosen to celebrate this feast is related to the choice of the Winter Solstice for the celebration of the Nativity of Christ: the northern European pre-Christian tradition celebrated the birth of the Sun on 25 December* whereas the Mediterranean and East customarily observed 6 January as the Solstice. As often happens, the two dates merged into a beginning and an end of the same celebration. The Western Church adopted "the twelve days of Christmas" climaxing on the Epiphany, or "Twelfth Night". The implication by the fifth century was that this was the night on which the Magi arrived. The complications of dating became even more confused with the changing in the West from the Julian to the Gregorian Calendar, the Eastern Church refusing to play any part in such a radical change. So this day remains the chief day of celebrating the Incarnation in Orthodox Churches.
from Celebrating the Saints, Canterbury Press, 1998
{* the Roman Saturnalia celebration taken over by Christianity}
=== ROYALWATCH ===
+ Watch the Queen's Christmas Day message 2013 in full
The Queen reflected on prominent events from the past year during her Christmas broadcast - from the service that marked the 60th anniversary of her coronation to the birth of Prince George
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/topics/christmas/10536980/Watch-the-Queens-Christmas-Day-message-2013-in-full.html
+ Did a prime minister’s ordeal inspire the Queens Christmas message?
Sir Alec Douglas-Home was a family friend of the Queen whose life was shaped by an operation on his spine in 1940 by Sarah Rainey 27 Dec 2013
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/queen-elizabeth-II/10539472/Did-a-prime-ministers-ordeal-inspire-the-Queens-Christmas-message.html
=== BOOKWATCH ===
Maclean’s Top 20 Books of 2013 by Bookmarked on Tuesday, December 3, 2013
Here's one: The Longer I’m Prime Minister by Paul Wells
Maclean’s political editor takes the long view, illuminating how Stephen Harper aims to last long enough in office to permanently remake this country. http://www2.macleans.ca/2013/12/03/macleans-top-20-books-of-2013/
=== WORDWATCH === My new word: OccuPalestine {until there's a Palestine!}
=== HERITAGEWATCH ===
+ MUSEUMWATCH
A world of new museums Welcoming all studious persons
Dec 20th 2013, 2:47 by Economist.com
THE world -- and China in particular -- is experiencing a boom in museum building. We visit The British Museum to examine its founding values http://www.economist.com/blogs/prospero/2013/12/world-new-museums
+ MARITIME HERITAGE on the North Shore -- Flamborough Head!
NSHPS: From plans for a Maritime Museum in CNV gone to loss of a heritage asset for it -- sad story.
Peter Miller, President of the North Shore Heritage Preservation Society, bemoaned the fate in the Dec 19 edition of Outlook: http://www.northshoreoutlook.com/news/236596611.html?mobile=true
NSHS: John Stuart, President, sent me this notice about a mtg to hear your views:
Topic: Flamborough Head stern and Shipyard Development
Members of the North Shore Historical Society and residents of the North Shore have pinned me down insisting we talk about the direction the redevelopment of our waterfront is taking. The recent announcement that the stern of the Flamborough Head is to be broken up makes clear that the current vision is not to include acknowledgement of North Vancouver’s proud industrial/shipbuilding heritage.
Since the 1990s, the vision has been for a museum anchoring a tourism-oriented waterfront. The evacuated shipyard offered large buildings and open spaces suitable for exhibits, meetings, and performance activities around a heritage/industrial theme. Preparation of the site involved removal of industrial waste. Heritage buildings were designated. Artifacts cranes, Flamborough Head stern, museum pieces - were assembled. The Burrard pier was renovated for public use. A developer was contracted to deliver buildings closed up against the weather. The Pipe Shop and the Copper Shop were closed up, the Machine Shop demolished. With the global economic downturn, thoughts of a national maritime museum have slowly evaporated. Yet the idea of waterfront redevt around a historical/heritage/maritime theme remains sound. Indeed, the recent announcements of major shipbuilding here for another 30 years makes the identity of North Vancouver centered on a maritime-oriented cultural facility a more valid vision than ever before. BUT that is not where City Hall is going.
If this concerns you, come and have your thoughts heard.
NORTH SHORE HISTORICAL SOCIETY MEETING
7:00pm Wednesday January 8
North Vancouver Museum & Archives, COMMUNITY HISTORY CENTRE, 3203 Institute Road, NV
+ HERITAGE SOCIETY of BC http://www.heritagebc.ca/events/
HERITAGE WEEK: FEBRUARY 17 - 23 2014 Heritage Afloat!
Water is not just for drinking. For thousands of years, the simple fact that water is buoyant has allowed us, and our cargo, to get from one place to another. Before there was the wheel, there was the boat.
http://www.heritagebc.ca/heritage-week-2014
+ HERITAGE WEST VAN heritage.westvan.org
B C Binning House Update: Stephen Mikicich (Planning Dept) was at court for the Dec 11 session and reports that the decision is not expected until mid-January.
> HERITAGE WEEK 2014: FEBRUARY 17 - 23 -- Heritage Afloat!
To be involved or help: ph 922 4400, or write info@heritage.westvan.org
+ HERITAGE VANCOUVER SOCIETY http://www.heritagevancouver.org/
> Secrets of the Penthouse -- Heritage Vancouver Night
Thursday January 16th doors open at 5:45pm; Tours 6:15pm and 7:15pm. Club opens for normal business at 9pm.
Location: 1019 Seymour St. Tickets: HVS members $39 and Non-members $49
Presented by Forbidden Vancouver, an unprecedented guided tour inside the Penthouse nightclub by owner Danny Filippone, author Aaron Chapman and ex-VPD Grant McDonald.
If you've been to one of our Penthouse tours in the past, you're in store for something new. Hear first hand from Grant McDonald, the retired VPD cop who raided the Penthouse in the 60s and 70s. Grant even worked undercover in the club to infiltrate crime bosses. After your tour ends, enjoy an Italian buffet dinner served up with Mama Filippone’s original spaghetti and meatballs recipe from the old country. During dinner award-winning performers Cabaret Torlage -- an electric mix of burlesque, cabaret, and dance, will provide live entertainment.
The club opens for regular business at 9pm. Guests are welcome to stay in the club after 9pm at no extra charge. This is a one-of-a-kind event for anyone with a love of Vancouver’s history.
Proceeds go to Heritage Vancouver AND Heritage Vancouver members get a $10 discount on their tickets!
For full information and to book go to http://forbiddenvancouver.ca/home/book-now/
> Join our e-bulletin/Mailing List -- Heritage Vancouver e-mail bulletins are sent out to our mailing list a few times each month, containing upcoming events, and last-minute updates/news. You can unsubscribe at any time;
e-mail addresses are only used by HV. Also follow our Twitter feed @heritagevan for quick updates, alerts, etc.
+ VANCOUVER HERITAGE FOUNDATION
For info and the latest: http://www.vancouverheritagefoundation.org
NEWSLETTER: Keep up to date with VHF news -- VHF’s bi-annual hardcopy newsletter is mailed to over 5,000 households and provides an overview of VHF happenings and news for the upcoming months. VHF also produces a bi-monthly email newsletter to keep you abreast of the goings on at VHF and upcoming event information on a more regular basis. If you wd like to sign up for VHF’s newsletter or e-newsletter call the VHF ofc at 604 264 9642 or
email us: Vancouver Heritage Foundation <mail@vancouverheritagefoundation.org>
=== MAIKU === 2013 December 29
a hundred years gone
in the twinkle of an eye --
enjoy the present!
{written on way to celebrate my mother's 102nd birthday -- yes, still walking and talking, no disease or pain, but getting forgetful}
quotations thoughts puns
Though no one can go back and make a brand new start, anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending.
-- Carl Bard (American writer?)
I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with typewriters.
-- Frank Lloyd Wright, American architect (1867 - 1959)
Truth is stranger than fiction, but it is because Fiction is obliged to stick to possibilities; Truth isn't.
-- Mark Twain, American writer (1835 - 1910)
The basic tool for the manipulation of reality is the manipulation of words. If you can control the meaning of words, you can control the people who must use the words.
-- Philip K Dick, American writer (b 1928)
History teaches us that men and nations behave wisely only after they have exhausted all other alternatives.
-- Abba Eban, Israeli diplomat and politician (1915 - 2002)
What matters is not that which one says, but that which does not need to be said.
-- Albert Camus, Algerian-born French writer (1913 - 1960)
More people would learn from their mistakes if they weren't so busy denying them. -- Harold J Smith, American (dates?)
Words are, of course, the most powerful drug used by mankind. -- Rudyard Kipling, British writer (1865 - 1936)
If you scatter thorns, don't go barefoot. -- Italian Proverb
There is no psychiatrist in the world like a puppy licking your face. -- Ben Williams
I thought Santa was going to be late, but he arrived in the Nick of time.
A weeknight is a tiny nobleman.
Why was the orange sad? He had peelings for the apple.
Why did the car cross the river with the boat? It was a ford escort.
Primate grandmothers look stylish in a baboonshka.
I wanted to bring a penguin home but my parents said that wasn't going to fly.
I probably have blind spots, but I don't see them.